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(BayouBuzz)   Michael Moore gets screwed out of an Oscar. It's easy to rig the People's Choice Awards when MoveOn organizes a campaign   ( divider line
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34727 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Jan 2005 at 3:07 PM (12 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2005-01-26 10:22:15 AM  

Or, as we say out here in the North Atlantic: "lying".

It's not lying. It's propaganda. There's a difference. One's knowingly representating falsehoods as facts. THe other's manipulating facts and adding one's own political beliefs for the purpose of persuasion.

In more sane times, he would be denounced for the disingenous jackanapse that he is... and as usual, none dare call it treason.

It's not treason. Treason is defined under 18 USC 2381:

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

No matter what one thinks of Moore's film, it's nowhere near treason.

Let's keep the hyperbole and rhetoric within reasonable ranges, shall we?
2005-01-26 11:00:33 AM  
Hey, look on the bright side - The Passion got two nominations.

2005-01-26 11:13:01 AM  
Aspiring Philosopher, I have no patience with typical farkery semantical hair-splitting... like:

It's not lying. It's propaganda.

Especially after I went through a fairly long paragraph on propaganda myself.

I'm fully aware that the denotation of propaganda doesn't explicitly say "lying", but when one hears the term bandied about nowadays in conversation, the connotation does indeed encompass spreading falsehoods or misleading information.

Likewise for your Philadephia lawyering about the penal code's definition of treason. The dictionary denotation of the word is as follows:

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

And Mr. Moore's hyperbole (if you want to talk about hyperbole) in films like Roger & Me, BfC, and F9/11 only serve to undermine confidence in this country's business, educational, and political institutions.

In my book, that can rightfully be defined as treason, and since the pen is mightier than the sword, there is indeed a war of sorts being waged by him and his ilk.

So if you're truly concerned at keeping hyperbole and rhetoric within reasonable ranges, I suggest dropping him a quick line with that sage advice.
2005-01-26 11:37:51 AM  
Michael Moore is decidedly *not* "Everyman". But he's probably two of three of them.
2005-01-26 11:58:12 AM  
Here is something for all you Moore-haters: from this morning's Sun-Sentinel, a letter to the editor:

"I could not vote for George Bush because of my strong disagreement with many of his policies and I could not vote for John Kerry because of my disgust for his advocates, Michael Moore and George Soros..."

So the guy left his presidential selection blank.

Conservatives shouldn't be hating Moore, but thanking him for this kind of thing.

Entire text at:,0,​7096630. story?coll=sfla-news-letters
2005-01-26 12:10:44 PM  

You should call those Oscar people, I'm sure they'll listen.

Obviously they agree.

They agree? He already won one.

Or do you mean by not nominating a movie that wasn't eligible in the first place?

Geez you're smart...
2005-01-26 12:26:39 PM  

t could prove that Fark always will and has been on the right regardless of what they tell you from up above

2005-01-26 04:04:43 PM  
Hey all you jackass republicans. Fahrenheit wasn't eligible because it was shown on television before the nominations were announced. That's why Moore withdrew it because he wnated the greatest number of people to see the movie before the election.This hick in Louisiana who wrote the article apparently doesn't know that... or much of anything else.

Fahrenhype was an intellectually dishonest attempt to debunk Moore's movie. They get a has been actor, Ron Silver, who is clearly trying to revitalize his career by joining the dark side, and can only come up with 60 minutes of response to a movie that was over two hours. They don't debunk a single thing Moore says. it's worthless, a desperate attempt by the republicans to defend indefensible policies.

four more years of this moron? Enjoy it you red staters. Enjoy the continuing debacle in Iraq. Enjoy the war in Iran. Enjoy the draft. Enjoy giving your social security to Bush's campaign financiers. Enjoy Bush continuing to screw you while feeding you cliches about freedom to convince you he isn't. But, hey, at least you won't have to get a gay marriage.

What happened to this country?
2005-01-26 05:37:28 PM  

Are you a Saddam supporter or what?
2005-01-26 10:58:47 PM  
Ekupes: Everything has become political now. No one can calm the fark down and take a joke. Everything has some sort of hidden agenda, and it's annoying as shiat. Even Fark threads about Boobies and Oscar nominations turn into flamewars thanks to idiots like Mike_71, Weaver95 and The_Gospel_of_Thomas. That's a bigger crime than every underhanded and dishonest thing Michael Moore and George Bush have done COMBINED.

Nope. As bad as Mike_71 & co are (and Moore, for that matter), they're not responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people, and accelerating the eventual collapse of global civilization (it still had a century or two left, and now if it lasts even another decade it will surprass all reasonable expectations) like Bush has.
2005-01-27 05:08:56 PM  
2005-02-01 08:01:37 PM  
What I find funny is everyone telling us to read/watch Fahrenhype are all myopic Bush apologist sheep. Gee, that is a mighty big co-ink-e-dink....

And what I find funny is everyone telling us to watch F9/11 are all myopic Moore apologist sheep. Gee, that is a mighty big co-ink-e-dink....

Try again Sherlock. Liberals are just as dogmatic of their beliefs and intolerant of Conservative views and Conservatives are dogmatic of thier beliefs and intolerant of Liberal views.

Open-minded-progressive my ass! Most Liberals I know are just as hateful as the Conservatives I know. They can all go to hell for all I care.

/tune in next week when you might hear someone say, "I'm right! I'M no no...I'm right..."
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