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(Abc.net.au)   Ten nations without phone or net service after Intelsat accidentially de-orbits sat. IP over carrier pigeon suddenly gets more interesting   (news.com.au ) divider line
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DAR [TotalFark]
2005-01-20 11:23:47 AM  
IP over carrier pigeon

I'll bet there is not much payload with that packet!
 
2005-01-20 11:46:58 AM  
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2005-01-20 12:57:47 PM  
NOT TONGA!!!!
 
2005-01-20 01:07:09 PM  
Intelsat is based in Bermuda but employs most of its 700 US workers in the Washington area.

It warms my heart to know we provide them with millions in subsidies.
 
2005-01-20 01:40:07 PM  
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2005-01-20 04:18:37 PM  
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You've got mail!
 
2005-01-20 04:22:37 PM  
What the fark does that headline mean? My god, it's full of stars. Bologna sanwiches are for cats.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-01-20 06:24:39 PM  

The headline references RFC 1149, "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers". And possibly the amending RFC, RFC 2549, "IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service".

Quoting from the standard:

Avian carriers can provide high delay, low throughput, and low altitude service. The connection topology is limited to a single point-to-point path for each carrier, used with standard carriers, but many carriers can be used without significant interference with each other, outside of early spring. This is because of the 3D ether space available to the carriers, in contrast to the 1D ether used by IEEE802.3. The carriers have an intrinsic collision avoidance system, which increases availability. Unlike some network technologies, such as packet radio, communication is not limited to line-of-sight distance. Connection oriented service is available in some cities, usually based upon a central hub topology.

The IP datagram is printed, on a small scroll of paper, in hexadecimal, with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff. The scroll of paper is wrapped around one leg of the avian carrier. A band of duct tape is used to secure the datagram's edges. The bandwidth is limited to the leg length. The MTU is variable, and paradoxically, generally increases with increased carrier age. A typical MTU is 256 milligrams. Some datagram padding may be needed.

Upon receipt, the duct tape is removed and the paper copy of the datagram is optically scanned into a electronically transmittable form.
 
2005-01-20 07:37:14 PM  
How many porn sites were affected?
 
2005-01-20 08:10:02 PM  
Engrish??
 
2005-01-20 08:13:54 PM  
Intelsat is based in Bermuda but employs most of its 700 US workers in the Washington area.

When will those Bermudan infidels stop outsourcing their jobs to the United States?
 
2005-01-20 08:14:09 PM  
"Cook Islands, Western Samoa, Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Niue, Vanuatu, Tokelau, Tuvalu, Tonga"

Isn't that like half the members of the Coalition of the Willing?
 
2005-01-20 08:14:23 PM  
FreeTranslation.com doesn't do Nerd-English, I just checked.
 
2005-01-20 08:18:09 PM  
Satellite insurance. Can't afford not to buy the satellite insurance, dumbasses.
 
2005-01-20 08:18:32 PM  
what a tragedy
 
2005-01-20 08:18:58 PM  
StrikitRich
How many porn sites were affected?


All, if you were their customer
 
2005-01-20 08:19:42 PM  
So thats why my website hasn't gotten many hits today. :( Damn you!
 
2005-01-20 08:20:01 PM  
Not Tonga! Nooooo!
 
2005-01-20 08:20:06 PM  
I think this is just a cover up. I bet you dollars to doughuts the government is testing one of those lasers like they had in Spies like us.
 
2005-01-20 08:21:01 PM  
is de-orbit nerdspeak for crash? what happend to this thing? I feel i am owed fireball pics.
 
2005-01-20 08:22:07 PM  
Is it just me or was that headline difficult to understand?
I had to read it a few times. I may just be overtired today.
 
2005-01-20 08:22:41 PM  
Can't afford not to buy the satellite insurance, dumbasses.

I don't know that a satelite would be insurable, even by Lloyds. I mean, if you lose it, it's gone forever.
 
2005-01-20 08:22:56 PM  
There goes all the .tv domains.
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2005-01-20 08:23:25 PM  
Sorry folks this one is an insiders joke for us telcomm workers.
 
2005-01-20 08:23:40 PM  
I once tried to call Phoenix, but got Fiji instead. Then I switched to AT&T.
/all better now.
 
2005-01-20 08:24:11 PM  
A few years ago, some guys actually implemented RFC1149 (ip over carrier pigeons). Thruput was around 200 bits/sec IIRC.

Also interesting is tcp/ip over bongo drums. Yeah. Bongo drums.

http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/
 
2005-01-20 08:24:28 PM  
Is "de-orbiting" anything like "de-planing?"

/Or de-farking?
 
2005-01-20 08:25:48 PM  
I wish we could "de-Bush."
 
2005-01-20 08:26:24 PM  
Intelsat must have hired a bunch of NASA folks that were let go in the last purge.

Note that the articles doesn't say the satellite was de-orbited. It says it was "lost."

There's also a lot of solar activity going on, so maybe they got a double whammy: operational mistake + solar activity = fried satellite.
 
2005-01-20 08:28:42 PM  
eqtworld

is de-orbit nerdspeak for crash? what happend to this thing? I feel i am owed fireball pics.

Not necessarily. Crash implies impact with something, technically it could still be in orbit after crashing into something. De-orbit means exactly that: it's no longer in orbit. It doesn't, however, imply a crash, as it's possible that everything burnt up on re-entry (or, it could have de-orbited away from the planet, but that's unlikely in this case).

As to what happened in this case: they're being tight lipped. All they'll say is that it moved out of its alignment and was lost. So either it moved into an orbit that's no longer useful for them, and from which they can't retrieve it (in which case the headline is wrong), or it moved and by doing so its orbit decayed enough that it fell out of orbit. (In which case there would be the possibility of pictures existing of the object burning up like a meteor.)

/was just discussing IP over pigeon a couple of hours ago
//doesn't see why so many people are finding the headline confusing
 
2005-01-20 08:28:53 PM  
More info, from http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/2750:

The Intelsat 804 (IS-804) communications satellite failed in orbit Friday, the second such failure for the satellite operator in less than two months. Intelsat announced late Sunday that IS-804 suffered "a sudden and unexpected electrical power system anomaly" Friday evening, rendering the satellite totally and permanently unusable.
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The failure is the second recent one for Intelsat, which lost the Intelsat Americas 7 (IA-7) satellite in late November, although that spacecraft was partially recovered.
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The failure is the second recent one for Intelsat, which lost the Intelsat Americas 7 (IA-7) satellite in late November, although that spacecraft was partially recovered.
 
2005-01-20 08:29:24 PM  
MWeather

"Cook Islands, Western Samoa, Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Niue, Vanuatu, Tokelau, Tuvalu, Tonga"

Isn't that like half the members of the Coalition of the Willing?


Actually, I think some are those are from the "coalition of the scammers" where those "dialers" call, you know, where a webpage downloads an app via active-x to call an ISP in a shiathole country then conspire with your local phone company to charge you $50 per minute.

Of course, the phone companies are belatedly realizing that it's bad PR to be out-and-out involved with an obvious scam and will now remove these charges from your bill, especially if you are ready to report them to the fraud squad!
 
2005-01-20 08:31:12 PM  
New Caledonia, New Caledonia, what makes your big head so hard?

/Louis Jordan
 
2005-01-20 08:31:45 PM  
garkola
i was thinking the same lines.

IS-804 orbiting spacecraft moved out of its programmed alignment and was lost on Saturday.

The satelitte is probably still floating around just not responding to transmissions sent to it. I imagine the cause to discontinuation of transmission to be some stupid ass reason like the battery on the antenna went bad.
 
2005-01-20 08:34:55 PM  
IP over carrier pigeon??? Doesn't the submitter know that swallows are a much better medium.
 
2005-01-20 08:36:26 PM  
More satelites are going to start losing their hold in orbit, since the tsunami knocked the planet out of its normal orbit around the sun...

/time line to engulfed by Sun
 
2005-01-20 08:36:26 PM  
I love 1 April RFCs:

RFC 2795, the Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite

RFC 2550, the Y10K Problem

RFC 2324, Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0)

RFC 1924, the Base-85 Representation for IPv6

RFC 1606, History of IPv9

They get weirder the farther back you go.
 
2005-01-20 08:37:40 PM  
Hyernel
Some people do. ;)
 
2005-01-20 08:38:55 PM  
its as if a thousand Farkers cried out in horror and then were silent....
 
2005-01-20 08:43:06 PM  
Seriously - I read that headline about 5 times.

I still have no idea WTF it's supposed to convey to me, the reader.

/clarity: the lost art
 
2005-01-20 08:46:46 PM  
headline bad.
 
2005-01-20 08:46:55 PM  
"I'll bet there is not much payload with that packet!"

Depends on how much the packet ate before takeoff.
 
2005-01-20 08:49:24 PM  
Sounds like bored aliens are taking potshots are the communications sats these days. Two in just three months?
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2005-01-20 08:50:46 PM  
Henchman: Depends on how much the packet ate before takeoff.

That feed would come under the headers of each cell ...I think ?
 
2005-01-20 08:51:03 PM  
First of all, Fark needs an "idiots" tag or something to apply to a group of dumbasses.

Secondly, the submitter needs his or her own "dumbass" tag for the stupid headline.
 
2005-01-20 08:54:58 PM  
Vanatu... I'm pretty sure that is where Kazaa's servers or company were based at some point. Vanatu if I'm not mistaken is a safe haven for a lot of businesses that would be illegal elsewhere.
 
2005-01-20 08:54:58 PM  
Headache21 needs a dumbass tag for not being able to understand the headline.
 
2005-01-20 08:55:16 PM  
I'm reminded of that commercial from the 80's where the guy on the beach answers the phone:

"Domi Acha Peach Eye"

Or something like that.
 
2005-01-20 08:57:39 PM  
Other nations have telecommunications? YOU'RE WELCOME!
 
2005-01-20 08:59:04 PM  
PowerSlacker

Calling the headline stupid does not necessarily mean he/she did not understand it.
 
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