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(Reuters)   Today's fearmongering organization, brought to you by WHO: Evolution of bird flu virus could start human flu pandemic. America tells world not to worry, evolution is just a theory   (reuters.com) divider line 218
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2005-01-20 11:14:34 AM  
Don't we want a flu pandemic?
It'll:
a) Save social security
b) control population in a way that the fundies can't argue with
c) clear out some of the deadwood of society

/insert joke about trip to hell and execute
 
2005-01-20 11:14:38 AM  
sexfuneral
When you're all dead, don't come crying to me!

Don't worry, I won't. Because if I'm dead, and had the urge to come crying to you, it would mean that I'm likely either a vampire or a zombie. In either case, I won't be crying, I'll be sucking your blood or eating your brains.
 
2005-01-20 11:14:47 AM  
ichiban:

"America tells them not to worry, evolution is just a theory"

What an ignorant statement


guess you haven't been paying attention to our many "evolution is just a theory" court battles.
 
2005-01-20 11:14:51 AM  
This virus contains evolved material. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of pandemic viruses. This virus should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered as your internal organs dissolve.
 
2005-01-20 11:15:02 AM  
doesnt the headline confuse evolution with natural selection?
 
2005-01-20 11:15:13 AM  
Woot... Bird Flu, evolution, Orwellian totalitarianism and censorship on Fark... all in one thread!

This is going to be the mother of all flamewars.
 
F42
2005-01-20 11:15:31 AM  
Preston Preston: Gravity is just a theory...


Gravity isn't just a theory! It's the LAW!

/floats away
 
2005-01-20 11:15:58 AM  
'The WHO has forecast a potential death toll of two million to seven million as a "best case scenario" for an outbreak'

Damned optimists and their rose-colored glasses....
 
2005-01-20 11:16:30 AM  
This is not going to be a good day for creationism on Fark. Trust me.
 
2005-01-20 11:16:33 AM  
What an ignorant statement.

No no, haven't you heard? Anything that's stupid, no matter the tiny minority advocating it, is somehow representative of America.


It's actually news related. Many schools are being told to tell their students that evolution is only a theory.

It may be stupid, but it's something that's actually happening.
 
2005-01-20 11:17:06 AM  
liverleef

mutation followed by successful natural selection is evolution.
 
2005-01-20 11:17:10 AM  
 
2005-01-20 11:17:13 AM  
snowlick
This virus contains evolved material. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of pandemic viruses. This virus should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered as your internal organs dissolve.

That made me laugh out loud. However, it should probably start with This chicken contains evolved material, if for no other reason than it's easier to put a sticker on a chicken than on a virus.
 
2005-01-20 11:17:29 AM  
What an ignorant statement.

Just wondering if there is any other country in the world today that has a problem with evolution as much as the south does? As far as I know, and I certainly could be wrong, we're the only advanced country having this problem within our school system.

/Just askin'
 
2005-01-20 11:18:15 AM  
2005-01-20 11:16:30 AM Adman12 [TotalFark]
This is not going to be a good day for creationism on Fark. Trust me.


When is it a good day for creationism?
Everyday, everything evolves just a little.
When was the last time something was created?
 
2005-01-20 11:19:47 AM  
Ouroborus

to the best of my knowledge viruses don't evolve, they mutate

Evolution is the affect of natural selective processes selecting for or against mutations from the norm.

Without mutation, there is no evolution.
 
2005-01-20 11:20:09 AM  
What an ignorant statement.

No no, haven't you heard? Anything that's stupid, no matter the tiny minority advocating it, is somehow representative of America.


Before you get all worked up about America-haters. I would hazard a guess that the headline is in response to an earlier fark thread.

Cool your reactive jets people!
 
2005-01-20 11:20:25 AM  
Shoo shoo retarded flu.
 
2005-01-20 11:20:30 AM  
In the scientific process there is no such thing as a fact, only theories. Since we don't know everything about anything, we can only assume that our theories will continue to change and evolve as new information becomes apparent through observation of data.

/Not a creationist
//just sayin
///love these slashy thingies
 
2005-01-20 11:20:31 AM  
Great headline... So, I guess at least Georgia will be safe, right?

/micro, macro, it's all the same and it's all real
 
2005-01-20 11:21:26 AM  
nice headline
 
2005-01-20 11:21:38 AM  
Emperor_Spleen: Since when was SARS a global catastrophe


In the US, there was news flashes about SARS about every 15 minutes, at least 3 soccer moms in my office thought they had it. The sky was falling.
 
2005-01-20 11:21:46 AM  
It's also only a theory that god exists.
 
2005-01-20 11:22:45 AM  
sexfuneral

Ok, I hear ya. We all have our fears, however irrational they may be. I mean take mine for example: farking clowns
 
2005-01-20 11:23:05 AM  
dogfather_jr
Don't worry, I won't. Because if I'm dead, and had the urge to come crying to you, it would mean that I'm likely either a vampire or a zombie. In either case, I won't be crying, I'll be sucking your blood or eating your brains.

I don't like you anymore, jerk.

However, I suppose that I should come to terms with my undead future and start planning financially. Anyone know some good market investments for those interested in proliferation of a new undead world state after the impeding bird flu massacre? ICECREAM FOR ALL!

/i promise i slept last night
 
2005-01-20 11:24:38 AM  
2005-01-20 11:17:29 AM pwhp_67

Just wondering if there is any other country in the world today that has a problem with evolution as much as the south does? As far as I know, and I certainly could be wrong, we're the only advanced country having this problem within our school system.

With a few exceptions, it is true that the uproar over biological evolution is primarily limited to certain, uhh, localities within the United States. Not to worry, though, because you can rest assured that the controversy is wholly scientific in nature and has absolutely nothing to do with religious fanaticism.
 
2005-01-20 11:25:04 AM  
Oh, please. The WHO pulls this scaremongering crap every couple years. Remember the huge SARS scare? When you got down to brass tacks, it was only slightly more fatal than NORMAL flu. (in countries that track it, including Canada and China)

And want to know something else? No one even tracks how many people die of the normal flu worldwide each year. (this is actually a two-part statistic, since some die of the flu itself, others of complications like pneumonia) But just by looking at the numbers in the developed countries, you can guesstimate a figure somewhere in the range of 7-10 million worldwide. A year. (take the deaths in the developed countries, and then double them for countries without modern medicine. But again, NO ONE tracks this, so all you can do is guess at it.)

So, we have some novel version of the flu, which has not even made it into the simian population, and scientists are freaking out that it MIGHT mutate into a human-transmittable version, and if it does, then millions MIGHT die, even though millions already DO die from the regular flu every year.

But vaccinations for regular flu don't get much in research grants, now do they?
 
2005-01-20 11:25:06 AM  
boohiss

Microevolution (as in this virus) = fact
Macroevolution (dinosaur into bird) = hypothesis


That's like saying an inch is proven but we can't know that a mile exists. Nobody in the evolutionary sciences even uses those terms, they are pseudoscience trying to create a divide where there is none. What you call "macro"evolution is just a longer evolutionary distance.

As to dinosaur into bird, there's evidence of warm blooded, feathered dinosaurs with hollow bones. Pretty damn close to a bird but also with reptilian features.

Oh, and you can prove with greater than 99.9999999999999999% certainty that humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor.
 
2005-01-20 11:25:43 AM  
Sad to say, but six months ago anyone warning that a quarter of a million people could die as the result of ill-preparedness and overcrowding in asian coastal regions if a tsunami struck would also be considered a fearmonger and worse. No doubt there will be many who will poo-poo the possibility of a pandemic.
 
2005-01-20 11:28:40 AM  
Lampmonster:
In the scientific process there is no such thing as a fact, only theories.


Not quite. It is a fact that evolution happened as evidenced by the fossil record, DNA analysis, etc. What is a theory is how it happened.
 
2005-01-20 11:28:48 AM  
Mistergecko,
PLEASE don't confuse scientific theory with mythology. There is no scientific theory that a deity exists. Scientific theories are based on observable facts and are tested and peer-reviewed and face a constant possibility of change or updating if new data becomes available. They represent the answer to a question to the best of our knowledge.

Myths like a god, on the other hand, are not based on observable fact, are not tested, and are not peer-reviewed.

You could call religious ideas "theories" if you refer to it in the nonscientific sense. But placing such a statement in a thread with discussion of evolution and it being mentioned that it is a theory (like gravity) makes it confusing and makes it seem as if you are using theory in the same sense for a scientific theory (evolution) and a religious "theory" (otherwise known as poppycock).

Not the same thing.
 
2005-01-20 11:29:07 AM  
First of all, inherritable genetic mutation that results a more resilient virus IS evolution. Evolution is just natural selection applied to genetic mutations. (I should say that the THEORY of evolution is just a combination of the THEORY of natural selection and the THEORY of random mutation.)

Secondly, this flu is no joke. I have a friend at the CDC and if this flu mutates in to a more human-transmitable form we are in deep doo-doo (it's a CDC technical term)

They can't really start producing the correct vaccine until they know how it mutates. By the time it mutates, there will be very little time to make the vaccine.

On the bright side, if this flu kill Canadaa Geese I will personally fly to taiwain and buy all the chickens I can afford. Freakin geese. . . .
 
2005-01-20 11:29:14 AM  
What is worse than Americans not believing in evolution is that they believe in Bush.

I actually saw some yokel on a doco about Ohio degrade Kerry as an intellectual and applaud bush for not being intelligent.
 
2005-01-20 11:32:49 AM  
who?
 
2005-01-20 11:33:44 AM  
from http://wilstar.net/theories.htm

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.
 
2005-01-20 11:33:48 AM  
Mr Logo, the anti-intellectualism in this country is indeed horrifying. You are correct that some people appear to like Bush BECAUSE he "ain't so smart".

In general there seems to be an anti-science current to. To many non-educated people science seems like a black art. It give the wielder power and they are not part of the elite club. People fear it's power, they fear that they do not have that power, and they fear that it challenges their particular superstitions.

We are about to either enter the space age, or the new Dark Ages. You can guess which side of this battle voted for the widely misunderestimated Mr Bush.
 
2005-01-20 11:34:09 AM  
meridian

That would be the fallacy of the false positive. A)On a given day, there is likely someone in this world warning against every possible tragedy that might occur. B)On a long enough timeline, pretty much every possible tragedy WILL occur. Ergo, C)for any given tragedy there will be some schmuck who happened to be warning about it shortly before it happened. This does NOT mean D)there was anything special about the person warning or that we should start heeding every warning that comes along.

You have to weigh the likelihood of the warned occurance vs the cost \ difficulty of stopping it. In the case of the tsunami, yes, those countries should have had a warning system in place. A huge one was bound to happen eventually.

But fearing some flu outbreak? A virus may or may not mutate. We don't have any way of controlling that. And we must have the mutated virus before an antibody can be developed.

Therefore, there is NO reason to go around trying to freak out the population. If it mutates, we catch the virus and make a vaccine, and that's that. Throwing all the money in the world at the problem won't speed up the response time by more than a couple weeks. So you stay alert, you recognize that mutated viruses can pop up at ANY TIME, and you make sure that the virus labs are sufficiently funded to deal with a problem should it occur. And that's it.

You don't make worldwide headlines screaming THE END IS NIGH! and begging for millions and millions of extra research money, 'cause it won't do any real good.
 
2005-01-20 11:34:12 AM  
They're doing their JOBS by worrying. It's only fear-mongering when news of their worrying is blasted in our faces.
 
2005-01-20 11:34:42 AM  
What's interesting is that avian influenza and BSE are just the latest in a string of plagues we've brought upon ourselves (and spread to others) by breeding livestock, including anthrax, smallpox and other deadly types of flu.

If history is any guide, these new bugs will kill a bunch of people, but not everyone, and the survivors will pass on their resistant genes to a greater proportion of the next generation.

Both our ability to domesticate livestock and the sexual reproduction that keeps our genes one step ahead of new and mutating viruses are products of our evolution.

While I believe we should do everything we can using other adaptations (like science and compassion) to mitigate these risks, I for one intend to keep on eating meat and having sex.

/Don't blame me, evolution did it!
 
2005-01-20 11:36:47 AM  
Meridian,

Not to argue, but the fossil record is data, and open interpretation. It means different things to different people. But before we start arguing, I believe in evolution. I was just making a point.
 
2005-01-20 11:37:49 AM  
STOP IT WITH THE PSEUDOSCIENCE! I WANT TO CRY!

:'(

^^^ THAT IS A PICTORIAL REPRESENTATION OF ME CRYING.
 
2005-01-20 11:38:23 AM  
Since when did it become the cool thing to do to trash others believes here? How hypocritical of you all to cry and complain about Christians and their beliefs just to turn around and trash them every chance you get. Do they attack you? Do they call you names or constantly make you the folly of their jokes, no. What a bunch of chicken **** pansies you've become. At least theyre brave enough to face you, you only attack from the safety of a keyboard. I doubt any of you have any backbone at all.
 
2005-01-20 11:41:03 AM  
MDGeist
I doubt any of you have any backbone at all.

well, if everyone was using incorrect ergonomic computer posturing, it could very well be true.
 
2005-01-20 11:41:08 AM  
As scientists develop even more ways of artificially prolonging human life, the population continues to increase throwing off the natural balance that God created on His planet. His creation of new viruses is a way to help restore this balance, starting in the non Christian populations of Asia.
 
2005-01-20 11:42:38 AM  
As scientists develop even more ways of artificially prolonging human life, the population continues to increase throwing off the natural balance that God created on His planet. His creation of new viruses is a way to help restore this balance, starting in the non Christian populations of Asia.

I really hope you're joking.
 
2005-01-20 11:42:46 AM  
That's why Jerry Falwell is a fat tub of shait....

He heard that gravity was just a "theory" and he's afraid of flying off into space before he can be Raptured up.

Christians are morons who will kill us all.
 
2005-01-20 11:43:14 AM  
This is the W.H.O. were talking about, people, not Christian Parents Against Oriental Diseases.
If they say there's a risk, they mean it. Be afraid (at at least be careful).
It's particularly bad this year, since
There isn't enough flu vaccine around
The ground has already frozen, so we've missed our chance to dig the mass graves.
 
2005-01-20 11:44:21 AM  
WHAT THE HELL IS WITH ALL YOU CHRISTLOVERS? GO DRINK THE BLOOD OF CHRIST OR SOMETHING, AND STOP BEING ON THE INTERNET, WHICH IS A FACILITATOR OF PORNOGRAPHY AND THEREFORE A TOOL OF SATAN.
 
2005-01-20 11:44:43 AM  
MDGeist
Do they attack you?

You mean aside from trying to get scientific theories banned from the classroom, and teach religious theories as science instead? Or aside from trying to insinuate their religion and beliefs into every fabric of society? Or aside from trying to ensure that certain people are denied rights based on who they love?

Aside from that, no.

What a bunch of chicken **** pansies you've become. At least theyre brave enough to face you, you only attack from the safety of a keyboard.

Right. Because nobody EVER stands up to the Christians outside of the internets.

I doubt any of you have any backbone at all.

I have one, but it's bent.
 
2005-01-20 11:44:52 AM  
The ground has already frozen, so we've missed our chance to dig the mass graves.

Did you ever notice it never smells bad when it's wicked cold out?
 
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