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(Contra Costa Times)   AirBus set to unveil big-ass airplane that can seat up to 800. That's twice the number of screaming toddlers onboard a 747   ( divider line
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2005-01-17 11:15:13 PM  
The 7E7 is just an attempt to make some mythial super efficient aircraft. The fact is that airliners are already so finely tuned that getting extra efficiency is like getting blood from a stone.
2005-01-18 12:26:59 AM  

By all indications, the 7E7 will be far more fuel efficient than the A380, so what's your point, exactly?


2005-01-18 12:35:38 AM  

...the dreamliner cant make it...its only got a 12000 range...what i am saying is airbus is going for capacity and boeing is going for distance...and my bet is for boeing to come out on top of this one
2005-01-18 01:11:39 AM  
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how man of these guys can it fit?
god i hate fat people.
2005-01-18 01:48:26 AM  
Latest Airbus passenger layout plan
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2005-01-18 02:10:12 AM  
my bet is for boeing to come out on top of this one

But Airbus already has airliners with that range.
2005-01-18 03:58:39 AM  
This is kind of interesting. I've never seen a comparison of the shuttle and Buran. What impressed you about the Buran -- and is the video available anywhere?

Besides the fact that the Buran took off, orbited, re-entered, and landed entirely on automatics? The shuttle sure as hell can't do that. And better yet, it landed in typical russian (shiatty) weather that most live pilots would hate landing in. Oh, and it didn't have tiles falling off it all over the place...

I saw the video at Space Access some years back. I don't know if it ever made it onto the net. Now I'll have to go look.
2005-01-18 04:28:55 AM  
Well, fark.
All the video I can find links back to the official russian site, and it looks like their server is farked.
2005-01-18 06:03:12 AM  
Virgin Atlantic have ordered some? Niiice - I want to try the Upper Class they build on these. On a 747 with the old configuration (before they went to flat beds) the seats were spaced so you had to stretch your legs right out to touch the back of the seat in front with your toes (with setbacks upright, natch). They also had a little bar too.

Everyone saying we'll never see the bars,gyms etc., you're sorta right - they'll be there, but we'll never see them unless we can get the company to pay for them. Business class is where the money's at in longhaul, and that's ALL about luxury. But unless you wanna pay $5000+ a ticket of your own money, get ready for the 4+4+4+4 config at the back :(
/I wanna be rich
//Or further up in the company
2005-01-18 06:06:01 AM  
This plane can carry 800 people or 500 Americans.
2005-01-18 08:43:44 AM  
Har Har Har...if they put hand holds on the outside, it could carry 2000 Indians, or 5000 Etheopeans in pressurised comfort.
2005-01-18 09:09:56 AM  
I saw something on the Discovery channel about this. The plane has parts built all over Europe. Wings in England, tail section built in Germany, body in France. It all comes together in the largest building in Europe. Upshot is, every week Airbus has to shut down a small city and come with in inches some of the buildings while driving the body of this thing to finally assembly. I'm waiting for the first time some one cracks a sub-assembly or a building
2005-01-18 10:16:56 AM  
Great idea...bars on planes.
Now they won't let me on my connecting flight to the small airport this monster will not fit into because I'm so drunk.

Boeing sucks

/disappointed in lack of stewartess pics
2005-01-18 10:25:36 AM  
inertia4u: I think the real money will be in the Freighter version of the A380. Just think of all those packages UPS will be able to deliver in a single flight! WOW!

Plenty of room for TWO Wilsons!
2005-01-18 10:45:09 AM  
Looking at some of the comments at the unveiling, this is smelling a lot more like a Soviet-esque pissing contest. I'm wondering if they decided on building the biggest airliner for technical or political reasons. If it's political, we could see some major flaws surface as they start flying them.
2005-01-18 11:16:09 AM  
My mums cousin lives in Toulouse cause her husband works for an Airbus contractor. THey live right near the airport. I am visiting at the end of feb and going on a factory tour. Cooler are the massive transporters they use to ferry around the bits. Weird and huge.
2005-01-18 11:19:13 AM  
Don't worry folks... The A380 can only carry 800+ skinny, taut, tight European asses, while the 747 was designed for 450+ fat, Big-Mac'ed, super-sized & out-of-shape AMERICAN asses. We still win!

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
2005-01-18 12:20:17 PM  
I guess Airbuss solved that nasty little problem that caused some of their smaller aircraft to, like, fall out of the sky.

Just think, 800 people packed into what is basically a flying bomb. The first one of these that crashes is going to make HUGE headlines.

It kinda boggles my mind to have to be cooped up with 800 people in a sealed container for 8 to 14 hours, unable to have a smoke, getting to breath the recycled air and germs along with farts, having to listen to screaming kids, biatchy passengers and assorted drunks.

I hope they have a lot of bathrooms on board.

Airbus has been seriously attempting to take the lead away from Boeing for quite some time now and it looks like they just might manage to do so. Especially with all of the screwups in the US airline industry like taking forever to replace flammable insulation, faulty cargo hatch switches and latches, not carrying emergency life rafts for ocean crossings and pretty well ignoring the FDA safety orders.

Thanks a bunch for fodder to fuel future nightmares.
2005-01-18 12:24:07 PM  
The reall market for this is going to be Chinese and Indian low cost carriers like Air Deccan. With markets of 1 Billion, they can easily fill 800+ seats on routes between major cities. The routes between India and the UK could use this too, because the Virgin/Air India 747s are already maxed out with screaming kids.

/Air India = Inflight curry :-)
2005-01-18 12:24:31 PM  
2005-01-17 07:58:34 PM arkan
Last I checked Boeing doesn't manufacture all aircraft parts in a single building either. If the source of all of Boeings parts was transposed onto Europe I'd bet it would cover multiple countries too.

You know, parts of the 7E7 are to be built in Japan? Boeing did a sweetheart deal saying "if you promise to buy some when they are done, we will pay you to help build them". How can you criticise Airbus for spreading operations around little old Europe?

I never said that Boeing made every piece of every airplane in one building, just that they (AFAIK) didn't have to develop a special plane to get part A from factory B to factory C. Since Boeing doesn't have to appease multiple masters, it can plan its operation to move subassemblies around before they get large enough to require extraordinary transportation measures.

Oh, and "sweetheart deal" with one customer != multinational collusion to put the main competitor out of business (yes, Boeing has military contracts, but that means that we American taxpayers are actually getting something in exchange for our "subsidy").
2005-01-18 05:44:01 PM  
Damn, I missed the pointless AirBus 380 vs Boeing 7E7 debate and the ensuing comparison of planes.
2005-01-18 11:34:32 PM  
Airliners do NOT "recycle" air. The bleed air taken off the turbines' compressor section is mixed w/cold outside air and sent into the cabin, and this sets up a current that forces "old" air out of vents in the back of the aircraft. If they were sealed or recycled in any way nobody would have been able to smoke in flight in a pressurised airplane! Stale tobacco is one of the hardest smells to get rid of.
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