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(Guardian)   Record industry uses artificial intelligence to work out if a song will be a hit. So, no change there then...   ( divider line
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2005-01-17 04:30:49 AM  
This is why all "popular" music all sounds exactly the same.

Also why I dont ever end up with popular music.
2005-01-17 04:32:38 AM  
Do you make music?
Limk me I'd like to listen. I hate popular music
2005-01-17 04:37:06 AM  
Here's how you get famous.

1> Are you a scantily clad, sexy woman?
2> Are you an angry, whiny, rocker who read too much into the grunge era?

If the answers to the above are no you go straight to jail, do not collect $200. If either answer is yes receive a large record contract, regardless of actual talent, and begin shilling your crap on MTV. If you have a famous sister you can skip the recording part and go straight to starring on MTV.
2005-01-17 05:03:07 AM  
What actually defines popular music?
2005-01-17 05:29:27 AM  
Ekillr - "What actually defines popular music?"

Well gee Yogi, I guess popular music is defined by its, y'know, popularity, and stuff. I hear there are even charts that have been developed to measure this.
2005-01-17 07:24:33 AM  
Music has been formulated for decades. The only difference here is that they've found a way to get rid of the traditional coke snorting A&R person.

That said, the big danger with this system is that there is no way it can identify a good performance, the quality of the sound (i.e. a good mix), and the emotion conveyed. In short, the AI application cannot measure art.

Wait a minute, we're talking about popular music. Never mind.
2005-01-17 08:22:23 AM  
I thought they used contrived intelligence.
2005-01-17 09:01:31 AM  
So SkyNet is to blame for Ashlee Simpson?
2005-01-17 10:01:21 AM  
No StrikitRich, the loins of Satan.
2005-01-17 10:02:59 AM  
I thought the recording industry [b]was[/b] Artificial Intelligence?
2005-01-17 10:04:37 AM  
Your A.I. wants to La La La.
2005-01-17 10:07:05 AM  
This explains why I haven't listened to the radio since 1989.
2005-01-17 10:07:39 AM  
The machines created Ashlee!
2005-01-17 10:07:46 AM  
They also use a program to write the music and lyrics, another to digitally edit Britney Spear's voice so much, it could have been Stephen Hawking who originally sang it, and another yet to generate crappy commercials for the new CD's designed to get that bloody song stuck in my head.

What? You know its true...
2005-01-17 10:08:28 AM  
I welcome this move. Maybe we can remove the "artists" from the equation. Primitive (rock jazz etc) musicians are worthy of no more awe than a housepainter, there is nothing new to be done, every possibility has been covered.

Primitive music is an infection on society.

The backbeat is destroying our children" --- Winton Marsalis
2005-01-17 10:08:38 AM  
Finally! An explanation for techno music. I get it now.
2005-01-17 10:09:00 AM  
The recording industry of today makes Milli Vanilli look like talent.
2005-01-17 10:09:32 AM  
AI killed the singing star.

/hate pop, MTV and the music industry for that matter
2005-01-17 10:10:49 AM  
Sadly, truly talented people who spend thier whole lives trying to make it in music never do, but the music companies shove this "La LA LA" shiat down our throats.
2005-01-17 10:12:12 AM  
From payola to sex to drugs to contracted servitude and abandonment of the new and creative, there's no seedier business than music. Sports is a close second.
2005-01-17 10:12:36 AM  
Perhaps this explains the playlist formula for MTV's TRL, since the attempt to get Devo's "Whip It" voted onto the show didn't shake up the normal lineup.... though it has created some very interesting ripples through the TRL web forums.

Save the youth from crappy music. Viva la Devolution!
2005-01-17 10:13:09 AM  
I believe that using the word "intelligence," artifical or otherwise, in connection with pop music is a waste of time.

Would love to hear Stephen Hawking's rendition of "Stardust," though.
2005-01-17 10:14:23 AM  
Popmusic, beating peasents into submission since 1980
2005-01-17 10:15:25 AM  
"Everyone knows that we reached musical perfection in 1974"

/had to, sorry
2005-01-17 10:15:41 AM  

Sadly, truly talented people who spend thier whole lives trying to make it in music never do, but the music companies shove this "La LA LA" shiat down our throats.

Terrifyingly, I was listning to LA LA LA the other day. Couldn't avoid it. The bad news is that I can't figure out what the backlash is. Judged by pop standards, it's far from the worst of the lot. The machines may have more work on their hands than they think.
2005-01-17 10:15:51 AM  
I like it when you see those magazines that tell you what the hot new clothing styles for next spring are. Its always some godawful shiat. Why are they telling me what'll be popular ahead of time? Crystal ball or self-fulfilling prophecy?

/I hate those eskimo boots that chicks are wearing these days. They look straight out of the Wrath of Kahn or something.
2005-01-17 10:16:04 AM  
I was tuning in the shine on the light night dial
doing anything my radio advised
with every one of those late night stations
playing songs bringing tears to me eyes
I was seriously thinking about hiding the receiver
when the switch broke 'cause it's old
They're saying things that I can hardly believe.
They really think we're getting out of control.

Radio is a sound salvation
Radio is cleaning up the nation
They say you better listen to the voice of reason
But they don't give you any choice
'cause they think that it's treason.
So you had better do as you are told.
You better listen to the radio.

I wanna bite the hand that feeds me.
I wanna bite that hand so badly.
I want to make them wish they'd never seen me.

Some of my friends sit around every evening
and they worry about the times ahead
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference
and the promise of an early bed
You either shut up or get cut up;
they don't wanna hear about it.
It's only inches on the reel-to-reel.
And the radio is in the hands of such a lot of fools
tryin' to anaesthetise the way that you feel
2005-01-17 10:16:42 AM  
Sounds good to me. Any simple AI could easily create a dozen pop albums. And what was that Al Pacino movie where he created a CGI actress? Make a few of them. Mtv tells kids what they have to listen to anyway. The entire pop music industry could be completly automized within the next year.
2005-01-17 10:17:22 AM  
Remember, it's not about musical excellence, but instead about money and fame.
2005-01-17 10:18:16 AM  
Video killed the radio star.
It's time for the trial...
2005-01-17 10:19:45 AM  
Coming to MTV TRL next year.....

What kind of kids love Ar-mour HOT DOGS?
Big kids, lit-tle kids, kids who climb on rocks
fat kids, skin-ny kids, ev-en kids with chicken pox
love HOT DOGS, Ar-mour HOT DOGS
The dogs kids love to bite!
2005-01-17 10:20:00 AM  
Your CD wants to find Sarah Connor
2005-01-17 10:20:05 AM  
Too late for Herman's Hermits and Dr. Hook.
2005-01-17 10:22:42 AM  
It's crap like this that makes me glad I listen to a good college radio station. WFUV, Fordham University's staion in NYC has some of the best stuff going right now. And it's not "traditional" college radio, either. They picked up a few of the DJs from WNEW 102.7 when WNEW went from classic rock to a talk format.

Now if my crappy little clock radio in the bedroom only picked up WBGO jazz 88.3 out of Newark, NJ I'd be set.
2005-01-17 10:23:05 AM  
All will be good when the new Shpongle comes out.
2005-01-17 10:27:29 AM  
milli vanilli, dog. skynet owns american idol.
2005-01-17 10:28:49 AM  
Probably 95% of popular songs starting from the 50's until today are just generic I, IV, V progressions without any real substance. That's not saying that they are all bad songs, but the majority are.
2005-01-17 10:29:24 AM  
We are now at the mercy of the artificial art official.

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We must fight the radio stations by any means neccesary, including plague bearing livestock corpse trebuchets.

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Silly talentless musical K-nights!!!
2005-01-17 10:29:25 AM  
The future of music must not belong to the mediocre!
2005-01-17 10:32:08 AM  
What is this "good" college radio station of which you speak?

/"five words...'dead air...ummm...dead air'"
2005-01-17 10:33:57 AM  
So that's why all pop music now sounds like crappy Spanish hits from 1990...
2005-01-17 10:34:10 AM  
If you read the web site of the service, it repeatedly states that they only analyze the mathematical statistics of a song and that you still need someone to listen to it to decide if it's any good, and a good promotion to ensure success.

I remember something 5 years ago saying that there were certain mathematical formulas to follow that would ensure a hit song, and that almost every song on Green Day's Dookie were dead on, which would explain why that album had more hits than any other record I remember from the past 15 years.

And on a side-note, for those of you not in the know, "pitch correction" on vocals is industry standard now, in case you ever wondered how documented bad singers like Ashlee could somehow manage to hit every note on record. I can pretty much guarantee that any music from the past few years that's released by a major label has no more than 3 consecutive syllables from the same take, and every one of them has been "corrected" into perfectly matching the desired note.
2005-01-17 10:34:12 AM  
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"Danger Will Robinson. Your beats are wack."
2005-01-17 10:34:34 AM  
That explains why my version of 'Brown Love Heartbreaker' has yet to be picked up by a major record company.

Damned AI!
2005-01-17 10:36:03 AM  
So the hundreds of millions of dollars the record industry pays out in payola has nothing to do with it?

You mean that having a bubblebutt, no grace, a two note range and the name of Beyonce Knowles was determined by a computer program to be the secret of success?
2005-01-17 10:36:21 AM  

I don't care what you say about pop music and how crappy it is, I like my Bon Jovi and Twisted Sister. And my mullet.

Come on feel the computer program noize !

2005-01-17 10:36:27 AM  
Make your own music! Here's something non-pop (link pops) I wrote a few days ago. It's a percussion ensemble piece that a Stomp-esque group I'm in will be playing eventually.

I know it's midi, but those are supposed to be steel drums, chimes, timpani, marimba, and a drum kit.
2005-01-17 10:36:56 AM  
why are links for fark comments going to "TF pay-to-view" subscription pages?

do we all have to pay soon to read comments?

2005-01-17 10:37:50 AM  

All will be good when the new Shpongle comes out.

2005-01-17 10:37:59 AM  
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