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(MLK Jr.)   "I've been to the mountain top" -- spoken the day before he died   (americanrhetoric.com) divider line 213
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2005-01-17 01:27:06 AM
Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get will get to the promised land!

Man, I still get chills everytime I hear or read that.
 
2005-01-17 01:38:34 AM
I think Dr. King is the closest thing we've had to a prophet in modern times.

Why is it that we never get to keep the truly special ones around for very long?
 
2005-01-17 01:44:09 AM
My wish is that people look at today as not a day off but as a day to reflect on what this man helped accomplish and how he did it (using, mainly, his public speaking ability).

If everyone could take a few minutes and read Letter from Birmingham Jail it would be a good start. Racism doesn't still exist because there are overt racists looking to keep minorities down. It exists because we won't speak out against those who do say those words and fashion that policy.

I have a few heroes. Among them are my father and Dr. King.
 
2005-01-17 01:50:10 AM
Well said Bubbaprog
He was a human being who exceeded all expectations and made a tremendous difference in America.

We were lucky to have you among us, Doctor.
 
2005-01-17 01:55:41 AM
If only he were with us. If only. We need a leader to bring us out of the depths of hell we find ourselves in today.

Remember the dream!
 
2005-01-17 02:04:47 AM
It's important to remember how Dr. King focused not only on the plight of his fellow black Americans, but also on injustice perpetrated all over the world. The opposition to the war in Iraq drew heavily from his opposition to the war in Vietnam; indeed, there are parallels enough between the two situations and the protests against the two wars to make his speeches as relevant today as they were 38 years ago.

Dr. King was a great man, one who preached Christianity as a religion of tolerance, not hatred; of peaceful activism, not "liberating" warfare. His words may be foreign to our way of thought in this era of "preemptive" war, but they were no less foreign when they were first spoken. And they are just as necessary now as they were then.
 
2005-01-17 02:20:10 AM
i was raised to hate blacks and i'm still a bit prejudice, however, dr. king is one of the greatest people that has ever lived. if you don't know his story i suggest you learn about him. you will be better for it

/athiest and a bit prejudice. he still got to me
 
2005-01-17 02:26:11 AM
Truely a .
 
2005-01-17 02:52:30 AM
So sad that this generation is lacking in heroes and role models like King.
 
2005-01-17 02:56:18 AM
HumbleGod:

It's important to remember how Dr. King focused not only on the plight of his fellow black Americans, but also on injustice perpetrated all over the world. The opposition to the war in Iraq drew heavily from his opposition to the war in Vietnam; indeed, there are parallels enough between the two situations and the protests against the two wars to make his speeches as relevant today as they were 38 years ago.

Dr. King was a great man, one who preached Christianity as a religion of tolerance, not hatred; of peaceful activism, not "liberating" warfare. His words may be foreign to our way of thought in this era of "preemptive" war, but they were no less foreign when they were first spoken. And they are just as necessary now as they were then.



Come on man, don't politicize this.
 
2005-01-17 02:57:49 AM
Reading that, it really strikes you how great an orator this man was. He could move masses with his words. Sad that someone who preached non-violence, and did so much good in this world, was taken out of it in such a violent and abrupt fashion.
 
2005-01-17 02:58:06 AM
I think Martin Luther King, like all great men, obviously would have not blindly followed one single political party or one single movement, but that he would rise above petty partisanship and the petty squabbles that we, here on the internet, engage in so frequently.
 
2005-01-17 03:02:01 AM
Come on man, don't politicize this.

I'd be all for that, but I'm afraid that's impossible; his influence, his message, and his life weren't just influenced by politics, they were and are all politics. It's all one and the same.

And he was indeed a great man.
 
2005-01-17 03:02:15 AM
I wonder what would have happened if Martin Luther King had survived and continued to lead the black community here in America. I think things would be a lot better off than they are now, because his movement was really hijacked by sellouts like Sharpton and Jackson. You know MLK would have never sold out like that, and would have continued preaching racial harmony and inclusiveness.
 
2005-01-17 03:02:26 AM
A great man indeed. Did tons for the human race.

But when will we get a Malcom X day? Just as important...
 
2005-01-17 03:06:23 AM
CrAssAnarchist, why do you think Malclom X is just as important? I think MLK is ten times as important as X was. Malcolm X never got any laws changed here in the US. He never mobilized the entire nation behind his cause. He didn't radically alter the US cultural landscape.
 
2005-01-17 03:06:38 AM
Hero??!!

Do good men plagiarize the words of others and present them as their own?

Does a hero cheat on his wife?

Does a hero beat and sexually brutalize women?

Does a hero steal the money of church-goes and use it for prostitutes and alcohol?

Apparently you people have been watching too much tee-vee.
 
2005-01-17 03:08:42 AM
TommyJefferson
Source, please... or troll elsewhere
 
2005-01-17 03:11:19 AM
tommyjefferson, apparently you've been reading too much skinhead propaganda about MLK. Either that or you bought the old timey FBI slur campaign at face value.

MLK didn't do any of that crap except maybe plagiarize his college papers. Big farking deal. He also practically ended the last vestiges of segregation in the South and repaired race relations between blacks and whites more than any other man in American history has.

If you're too much of a racist to want good relations with 'darkie' then that's your loss, but don't go slandering one of the most important men of the 20th century just because you don't like black people.
 
2005-01-17 03:12:18 AM
barfooz

Damn, someone else beat me to it.
 
2005-01-17 03:13:51 AM
Straight Dope on MLK

He may have been refering to this?
 
2005-01-17 03:14:20 AM
Freak: I totally understand what you're saying. We shouldn't use the memory of people who have passed for political uses. But, I think in this case, it is appropriate.

In fact, if we spend today reflecting on what a great guy he was and not reflecting on what he had to say, if we neglect to use his memory to forward the causes that we believe in, the causes he believed in, we have failed him.

/the above does not apply to those who don't agree with MLK's causes, this only applies to those who do.

Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.
Martin Luther King Jr. (obviously)
 
2005-01-17 03:15:03 AM
Monkey,

If you don't see the suffering and conviction of X then you are a fool. MLK was mainstreamed, thats why you know so much about him. You didn't learn about X in school, so he is unimportant. Pick up a GOD DAMN BOOK and stop being farking retarted.

TommyJefferson; Even if he did those things, it doesnt change any of what he did for the good of human kind. Go back to listening to ScrewDriver and cleaning your god damn Doc Martens, farking nazi.
 
2005-01-17 03:15:08 AM
Don't be such a stooge. Turn off the tee-vee and do some research before prostrating yourself at the feet of false plastic gods.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060161922/qid=1105949447

http://chem-gharbison.unl.edu/mlk/plagiarism.html
 
2005-01-17 03:16:17 AM
There is truth in what tommyjefferson says, but it is phrased to piss people off.

Parts of the "I have a dream" speech were definately plagerized if memory serves me right. I haven't heard about the other things, though I wouldn't doubt them.
 
2005-01-17 03:16:46 AM
That speech still gives me chills when I hear it.

"I am not fearing any man! Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!!"

That made me truly think that Dr. King might have actually risen above this miserable human condition that we are, and for one second glimpsed what it is we should be.

The first time I heard that speech I felt like he was a man who had seen God, or the future.

Dr. King is the most moving speaker I have ever heard. I would give my legs to Hear Frederick Douglas, or Abe Lincoln, but Dr. King is electrifying.

"I am not fearing ANY MAN!" I beleived it from the first time I heard it. He was courageous.

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!" I know what that means to me, but to explain it is to diminish it's meaning. It's a revelation each must make unto themselves.
 
2005-01-17 03:17:21 AM
And before another racist beats me to it, yes MLK had ties to American Communists.

No shiat. This is because there were thousands of Communists all over the progressive movements of the 1960s and they were heavily involved in the civil rights movement.

Judging by how America and the South in particular treated the African Americans living in the 1960s, one can hardly blame MLK.
 
2005-01-17 03:18:03 AM
bbcrackmonkey, calling tommyjefferson a racist for his views on MLK is akin to saying somebody is anti-American because they don't have a favourable opinion of Bush.
 
2005-01-17 03:19:17 AM
Plagiarism in his speeches? Considering his education and knowledge, I'm sure he knew about those speeches you and others claim he plagiarized. There's a difference between using other material to get your point across and plagiarizing. Just because he didn't say, "And so and so said this," doesn't mean he plagiarized.

Seriously. Go Troll somewhere else.
 
2005-01-17 03:19:39 AM
tommyjefferson, the only legitimate gripes with MLK is that he plagiarized crap. That's the best you can come up with, eh? Pathetic. Go suck Jim Crow's wang.
 
2005-01-17 03:21:47 AM
AchtungAl, you're Canadian so I'll let that statement slide, as you are not intimately aware of Martin Luther King's detractors here in the United States. Basically the only people in the US you'll ever find harping about how much of a badguy MLK is are unreconstructed racists.
 
2005-01-17 03:22:10 AM
I have class AND work tomorrow. Damn the white man.

/white
 
2005-01-17 03:22:55 AM
CrAssAnarchist:
If you don't see the suffering and conviction of X then
TommyJefferson; Even if he did those things, it doesnt change any of what he did for the good of human kind. Go back to listening to ScrewDriver and cleaning your god damn Doc Martens, farking nazi.


Yeah, it doesn't matter does it. ..."even if he did those things".

He was such a great "leader" we should ignore "those things".

You guys never cease to amaze me. Your Orwellian double-standards seem so totally "right" don't they. The strength of your double-think is actually quite frightening.
 
2005-01-17 03:25:26 AM
You know, tommyjefferson(I shudder to call you by your chosen name), nobody is perfect. But MLK had a great and noble life project, and the memory of that project, at least, deserves your respect.
 
2005-01-17 03:27:33 AM
CrAssAnarchist, you know, your thoughts on MLK and X remind me of some lame music elitist poser talking about how awesome some underground garage band that's only sold 100 CDs is compared to Nirvana. You think that if they somehow become popular that they're sellouts and thus no longer worthy of your attention. That's a really lame and close-minded way to go through life, dude.
 
2005-01-17 03:29:27 AM
Way to go, guywhore. Best thing to do is to acknowledge your prejudice and work against it. I believe very few people aren't prejudiced in some way (at least here in the US), but the worst people are the ones who think they AREN'T when they obviously ARE (like my father).

/Way to go MLK, his followers, and all passifists. Let's make 2005 a better year!
 
2005-01-17 03:30:06 AM
Cybersnot Yea the site that gives us the answer to "Were the witches of Salem a result of poisoning with ergot fungus?"

TommyJ (I can't force my self to use your whole handle) I got a donut for you.

Submitter thanks for the link, some good speeches including (surprisingly) this one
"Let us let our own children know that we will stand against the forces of fear. When there is talk of hatred, let us stand up and talk against it. When there is talk of violence, let us stand up and talk against it. In the face of death, let us honor life. As St. Paul admonished us, let us not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. "
--Bill Clinton, 23 April 1995


/Didn't realize we were fast approaching 10 years since OKCity
 
2005-01-17 03:32:18 AM
zmbabwe, that's basically the gist of what a lot of Cynthia McKinney says. She's a congresswoman who is virulently racist against Jews and when she was defeated in one race and asked why, her father stepped in and said "I just have one word: J-E-W-S."

She spouts all kinds of insane conspiracy theories about Bush and Israel being in cahoots to blow up the WTC and invade Iraq.
 
2005-01-17 03:32:28 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Malcolm X was absolutely essential to the civil rights movement. The establishment yielded to MLK only because they knew that X and his followers were the alternative.

And yes, MLK is "mainstreamed". That does not degrade the quality of his message in any way, and I don't think CrAssAnarchist meant to imply that it did. Malcolm X, however, doesn't even rate a line in high school text books, because his existence and essential role in the civil rights movement exposes the lie of the noble american spirit, by which we granted civil rights to our colored brothers "because it was right", rather than because they demanded it, by word or by gun.
 
2005-01-17 03:32:36 AM
A born and raised southern white-guy, I am just beginning realize, fully, the truthes MLK spoke. I beleive the role he took as civil rights activist has been the single most important turning point in US history (perhaps only rivaled by the success at D-day).
 
2005-01-17 03:32:41 AM
Remember when Martin Luther King nailed this thesis to Church Door in Germany?


Good times.
 
2005-01-17 03:33:17 AM
I read the autobiography of malcolm x, it led me to believe that x was a criminally insane narcissist.
 
2005-01-17 03:33:28 AM
If the Black community had Dr.King as a leader and not those vagrant rappers, they wouldn't be in the rut that a lot of black youth are in. Mr.Cosby is the next best thing to Dr.King i suppose. Tis a shame they don't see it that way. I only wish those kids would act as if Dr.King would have had them, or maybe even Jesus.

/MLK poster hangs proud in my room, alwas has.
 
2005-01-17 03:35:20 AM
Rashind, I must have missed that massive and peaceful march on Washington and all the sit-ins that Malcolm X engaged in that really shaped American policy.
 
2005-01-17 03:36:02 AM
We need MLK today.

/I have to give him props.
//Lots of blacks had "ties" to communist, it still does not affect his message.
 
2005-01-17 03:36:38 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Hah, you honestly believe that all the black man had to do to get some rights was ask? Quaint.
 
2005-01-17 03:37:14 AM
Monkey,

How does my opinion on X make me a sell out?

It makes you close minded to not research anything other than whats taught in school. Read up.

MLK and X are just as important.

Oh, and because I like Crass, I must be close minded, jesus, who likes a band that ACTUALLY changed the way things worked and help to start great things like ELF and other organizations. Woah, who likes a band that took the time to expose the injustice in the falklands in 1980. Woah, I am really stupid for not liking over processed crap that they call "music" now adays and looking for alternitives.

fark you, my statement that X and MLK are both important stands, read a book.
 
2005-01-17 03:39:33 AM
2 things I have to say:

1: Got MLK?
2: I don't get the day off. Should I still care?

/goodnight
//no, you don't have to reply to me
 
2005-01-17 03:40:04 AM
MLK plagiarism is well documented: http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/additional_resources/articles/palimp.htm

The womanizing / wife beating stuff was part of an FBI smear campaign and is BS.

HumbleGod: Man, I still get chills everytime I hear or read that

It seems prophetic now, but he made similar statements in at least half a dozen other speeches.
 
2005-01-17 03:40:23 AM
I wonder how ugly this thread will become?

/Let's keep it civil, this time.
 
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