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2005-01-12 02:41:40 PM  
Duly noted.
 
2005-01-12 04:36:54 PM  
Check!
 
2005-01-12 04:39:33 PM  
 
2005-01-12 05:06:22 PM  
You're not the boss of me.
 
2005-01-12 05:15:59 PM  
Now you tell me.

By the way, the cops also do not like the bit where you dance like der Sprockets.
 
2005-01-12 05:17:24 PM  
Sound advice. The bartenders in my area usually warn people about checkpoints at last call. It wouldn't do to have good customers end up in prison, now would it?
 
2005-01-12 05:17:25 PM  

"When leaving a bar drunk, don't drive right into the sobriety checkpoint 30 feet down the road"


Be unique, and drive left to it instead.

 
2005-01-12 05:18:37 PM  
Drink at home with friends. Both cheaper and more fun.

/bars are for losers
//lounges are not bars, and are awesome
 
2005-01-12 05:18:51 PM  
Oh, dear.

Well, as the responsible voice, I'd say when leaving a bar drunk, don't drive. However, the little part of me laughing at this is giving the thumbs-up sign.
 
2005-01-12 05:19:17 PM  
That checkpoint bullshiat violates probable cause and causes undue delays, IMO. Cops are nothing but earners for the Man.
 
2005-01-12 05:20:26 PM  
Oh, and a-drunk-driver-ate-my-baby stories to begin shortly...

/driving drunk is stupid
 
2005-01-12 05:23:58 PM  
Oldie but a goodie:

The police in a small community have decided to crack down on the number of drunks leaving the area's most popular watering hole. Two officers are sitting in their car staking out the bar as 2am approaches.

As the establishment begins to close , they see a man stumble out of the front doors. He makes his way towards the parking lot and tries, unsuccesfully, to unlock 4 or 5 different cars before finding the right one. The officers realize the situation and begin to follow the man as he leaves the lot. After a mile or so of watching the man swerve and change speeds the police turn on their lights and pull the man over.

"Get out of the car please sir."

"Is there a promlem occifer?"

"We're pretty sure you know why we're stopping you. Now blow into this breathalizer."

After the reading on the meter shows 0 the officers try again. Yet another 0.

"According to this you're not drunk at all. So what was with all the stumbling and swerving."

"Tonight I was the decoy."
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-01-12 05:25:34 PM  
Be unique, and drive left to it instead.

Story is from New Zealand. They normally drive on the left there. If the customer was driving right, no wonder he got caught.
 
2005-01-12 05:26:10 PM  
"You caught the Tater!"
 
2005-01-12 05:27:50 PM  
DUI checkpoints are living proof that certain drunks CAN drive normally.

If they couldn't, you could spot them easily without having to interview every driver on the road.

/once saw a car slowly scraping down the side of the road, taking out a trash can and a bus stop sign, doing about 5mph in a 35 at night. Following carefully behind was a police car, emergency lights going. Driver didn't notice. I figured the person had either died behind the wheel or was going to set a new state record for BAC.
 
2005-01-12 05:27:51 PM  
is that not entrapment within a certain distance of a bar? seems to me like waiting outside a bar would be entrapment.

During the police's festive season drink driving campaign, which ran in Taranaki from December 8 to January 7, TAG police stopped 9315 vehicles at checkpoints around Taranaki.

Of those, 34 drivers blew a positive breath alcohol reading and had been charged, Mr Richardson said. That was about one driver testing positive in every 270.

"The message hasn't really got out there," he said. "We are disappointed. "
(disapointed in what...that there arent more people drinking and driving) farkING ASSHATS
 
2005-01-12 05:28:46 PM  
Posts claiming that check points violate your rights in...3...2...1...
 
2005-01-12 05:29:09 PM  
How about, when leaving a bar drunk, don't drive. Period.
 
2005-01-12 05:30:09 PM  
Here we go again...

COPS don't have to right to pull you over for driving drunk

farking Pigs!
Enforce the law my ASS

SweetlyKali: Oh, and a-drunk-driver-ate-my-baby stories to begin shortly...

you start
 
2005-01-12 05:30:22 PM  
bootC13:

is that not entrapment within a certain distance of a bar? seems to me like waiting outside a bar would be entrapment.


its only entrapment if the cops got you to do something you wouldn't normally do, and then arrested you for it. no one convinced these guys to drive drunk, hence no entrapment

the cops simply picked a more efficient spot to find the drunk drivers
 
2005-01-12 05:31:42 PM  
It's a trap!

/obligitory
 
2005-01-12 05:32:30 PM  
This is why I do my heaviest drinking in the morning...When they LEAST expect it, heh heh.
 
2005-01-12 05:32:30 PM  
BeerNut: Posts claiming that check points violate your rights in...3...2...1...

check points violate your civil rights!!!!

/sorry I'm late
 
2005-01-12 05:32:52 PM  
well i wouldn't normally stop for the Police...ya know...unless they already have a roadblock up waiting for me
 
2005-01-12 05:33:39 PM  
SLC-Punker: How about, when leaving a bar drunk, don't drive. Period.

quoting ArnoldBabar

You're not the boss of me
 
2005-01-12 05:33:51 PM  
Kooazndood
you start

I swear I only left her out there on the sidewalk for a minute. I mean, sure, it was down the street from a bar, but I thought she'd be fine as I looked into the strip club window.

Next thing I know, I turn around and she's gone, with this drunk driver half out of his car waving a little arm, leering.

Find him, okay, officers? And put him down, I don't care if he IS an endangered species! A drunk driver ate my baby!

/yes? ... yeah, okay, so really, back to work with me
//drunk driving isn't funny, no, but there's been a lot of sadness in Fark today -- I'm a little twitchy
 
2005-01-12 05:33:55 PM  
...0 DUI checkpoints do violate our rights. You can't just do field interviews on random people because you believe a crime could possibly have been committed. You have to have probable cause and all that. Driving a car isn't probable cause of a crime.

HOWEVER...

In this case, we make an exception. I for one welcome not having drunk-piloted missiles all over the roads at night. And while they're getting drunk tested, have a dope dog check out the car, and also run the plates and driver's license.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-01-12 05:34:15 PM  
the cops simply picked a more efficient spot to find the drunk drivers

Not as efficient as the spot Virginia police found: inside the bar. Apparently it is illegal there to have a BAC over .08% in public even when you aren't driving.
 
2005-01-12 05:35:26 PM  
treasure cat:

...0 DUI checkpoints do violate our rights. You can't just do field interviews on random people because you believe a crime could possibly have been committed. You have to have probable cause and all that. Driving a car isn't probable cause of a crime.


sure it is. its called implied consent. every state has this type of law on the books, as well as many countries. basically it means that by driving you give consent to be tested for alcohol and drugs in your system.
 
2005-01-12 05:36:11 PM  
Kooazndood

I'm not, but its still a pretty good suggestion.
 
2005-01-12 05:37:56 PM  
SweetlyKali: drunk driving isn't funny

yes it is...

unless you get caught...

but there is nothing wrong with making it to your parent's house and passing out on their sidewalk

/didn't happen to me...
//if I remember correctly
 
2005-01-12 05:38:06 PM  
The problem isn't cops, its orgs like MADD whose ultimate goal is one step short of prohibition. Should you drive drunk? absolutely not, your an idiot and should pay a steep price for doing it.

Should you lose your license for months (and therfore probably your job), and pay thousands in fines and thousands more in insurance just because you had a couple of drinks at dinner but were still able to drive fine? Absolutely not.
 
2005-01-12 05:40:02 PM  
SLC-Punker: I'm not, but its still a pretty good suggestion.

lets just say drinking is bad?
 
2005-01-12 05:41:18 PM  
Granted, me and the others talking about "civil rights" are in the U.S., but sobriety checkpoints are a violation of the fourth ammendment to the constitution of the US. Simply driving down the road is not probable cause for the police to breath test you.

/disregard that breath testing is absolutely rejected in the view of science but apparently not in policing
//thinks DRUNK! drivers should rot in prison
 
2005-01-12 05:42:43 PM  
but but officer, I thought it was clear milk I was putting in the bottle, not rum... I mean, it came in a white bottle...

besides, he was only doing 80 in a 25

no officer, I didn't know how he got in the car...

/little hung over... got nothin
 
2005-01-12 05:44:23 PM  
"The message hasn't really got out there," he said. "We are disappointed. " (disapointed in what...that there arent more people drinking and driving) farkING ASSHATS

bootC13, I'd say he's disappointed that to many people were caught drunk driving.

By law you are required to stop at the breath-testing stops.

/cue someone trying to apply the fourth amendment to NZ
 
2005-01-12 05:45:13 PM  
Should you lose your license for months (and therfore probably your job)

As a person who doesn't drive (yeah, don't hurt me), I can say with authority that I get to work just fine without a license. That, at least, can be overcome.

The fines part is a bit more than a hassle.

And it'd be great if everything could be gauged on a case by case basis, but we have to work inside the borders given, I suppose. My brother gets drunk off of a beer and a half. I'm fine with that much, not even a waver, but see me after two fruity multi-liquor drinks. (Yeah, I'm a frou-frou drink girl, sorry.) So while I could drive after a beer and a half, he couldn't. Yet, say if the limit is his level, I'm the one that has to eat it when I get pulled over.

It is the suck, but such is life. I'd rather live in those particular confines of this partcular situation than suffer more drunk people on the road because they 'think' they can drive, whether or not they actually can.
 
2005-01-12 05:46:25 PM  
Not as efficient as the spot Virginia police found: inside the bar. Apparently it is illegal there to have a BAC over .08% in public even when you aren't driving.


please, I have higher than that when I pick my kid up from daycare

/kidding...burp...hiccup...burp
 
2005-01-12 05:46:33 PM  
Should you lose your license for months (and therfore probably your job), and pay thousands in fines and thousands more in insurance just because you had a couple of drinks at dinner but were still able to drive fine? Absolutely not.


You'd be surprised at how much your critical reflexes are affected even when you've only drank a little. I used to teach a driving safety class (to reduce points), and when you read up on it, its some pretty amazing stuff.

I view it as two different situations.
1. Your totally shiatty drunk and you try to drive- Very stupid. You risk your life and the lives of everyone around you. You should go to jail and lose your car.
2. You've had a few, but you can drive well under normal conditions- This is where it gets tricky. Sure, you can drive "fine", but the problem is that you'll be impaired if an emergency happens (a car drifts in your lane, runs a stop sign in front of you, loses control near you, etc). This is one of those things that you have a responsibility to make sure you can drive well enough to handle such situations. Even a few drinks will impair you enough to not respond quick enough and will most likely result in an accident. While I don't necessarily agree with the harshness of the punishments for this, you can understand their point.
 
2005-01-12 05:47:08 PM  
Do they drag them out of the car and beat them unmercifully until they find out they are a diabetic?
 
2005-01-12 05:48:18 PM  
Hypothetical: You walk into a known crackhouse. You may or may not partake of the fine accomodations to be had there, and then you leave. Is it safe in assuming the cops have 'probable cause' to arrest you/take you in for questioning/drug test you?

Question: If you replace 'known crack house' with 'known bar', then you get into you car and drive, why don't they have probable cause then?

I know, my question hinges on the validity of my hypothetical situation, so anyone enlightened, please share.
 
2005-01-12 05:48:37 PM  
Sobriety checkpoints are not a violation of the 4th amendment. How can I say that you ask? Because the United States Supreme Court told me so.
 
2005-01-12 05:50:17 PM  
Kooazndood

How about beer+car=bad? Is that ok?
 
2005-01-12 05:51:19 PM  
and my favorite police-checkpoint story.....

I used to live in this town in South Jersey that had way to many cops and way to little going on. They got most of their budget from nailing speeders and whatnot on their little strech of highway.

At one end of town you had a few very large corporate campuses with about 20,000 people working in them all together. This meant twice a day you would have a ton of people driving into and out of town at about the same time that did not live there. At least once every other week or so the police would set up a checkpoint for inspection stickers on the major road, creating a mess of traffic, to hand out tickets for overdue inspection. I always wondered how they continuously managed to get people seeing how everyone knew about it, and it happened like clockwork, but apparently they did.

Eventually people got pissed off enough and a bunch of them got together and dragged the whole mess into court. The court ruled that what the cops were doing was not cool, and they should knock it off.

The cops stopped for a few weeks, but then one morning to my surprise they were there again, standing in the side of the road, with big buckets, handing out key chains. Of course if they saw anything wrong with your car while handing you your key chain, being officers of the law and all, were required to write you a ticket.

It was at that point i threw up my hands in frustration and moved.
 
2005-01-12 05:51:38 PM  

...0 DUI checkpoints do violate our rights. You can't just do field interviews on random people because you believe a crime could possibly have been committed. You have to have probable cause and all that.


There's an echo in here, that's what I said. DUI checkpoints are Gestapo bullshiat. Theyr'e just not contested because who wants to look pro drunk driving? Not the point.
 
2005-01-12 05:53:09 PM  
gbejrlsu

OOPS! I forgot the whole "implied consent" thing. It's quite the Hobson's choice, but a choice it is. You don't have to drive.

I bet they had to come up with that one just because of the constitutional rights against unreasonable searches. Pretty sneaky.

I think they also have the right to stop you and ask your name if you happen to encounter cops on foot also. Don't know the rules on that one, but I think you're obligated to comply.

Somehow, the law has become "we reserve the right to check you out at any time".

Our "free" society is in fact a "freeER" society. Your freedom is not total.
 
2005-01-12 05:54:16 PM  
sobriety checkpoints are no different than walking down the street and having the police throw you against the wall and demand your "papers". i couldn't be more happy that courts have ruled these farking things unconstitutional, at least in my state, and things like this are a major reason i am a member of the ACLU. i don't wanna see drunk people driving around any more than the next guy, but i'm NOT willing to give basic civil liberties that we won't get back in order to take a few drunk drivers off the road. and anyway, to paraphrase bill hicks (although he was discussing drug tests, i think), if they can't tell you're drunk/high by watching you drive...you win!
 
2005-01-12 05:56:20 PM  
If anyone can answer my question, I'd be more inclined to view sobriety checkpoints with a sterner eye. As it is, I figure just walking out of a bar and getting into your car and driving constitutes 'probable cause'.

But I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone with any knowledge speaks up.
 
2005-01-12 05:59:12 PM  
Beernut
Sobriety checkpoints are not a violation of the 4th amendment. How can I say that you ask? Because the United States Supreme Court told me so.

cuz we all know that a bunch of dudes in robes sitting in big comfortable chairs know everything that is right and wrong...thats why everything in this country runs so smoothly
 
2005-01-12 06:01:03 PM  
Actually, please DO drive to the sobriety checkpoint. Well, first of all, pleas don't drive, but if you're going to, please be dumb enough to go to the checkpoint so we can keep you off the road.
 
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