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(AP)   Buying a Frank Lloyd Wright house can be a dream come true. Trying to actually sell one can be a nightmare   (centredaily.com ) divider line
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2005-01-09 03:37:49 PM  
When you're a greedy Moran, yeah, it can be.
 
2005-01-09 03:43:47 PM  
seller's name is "Moran"...coincidence?
 
2005-01-09 03:49:51 PM  
I've known people that lived in one of the usonian homes and it was pretty much unlivable. Pretty to look at but poorly designed for actual living. Major problems with repairs, roof leaked, bad heating, crampped spaces, always bumpping into something, furniture could only fit in ONE way--etc.
 
2005-01-09 03:52:52 PM  
For the culturally uninitiated, Frank Lloyd Wright was a genius. His houses are pieces of art. To buy one and gut it to put in a flat screen tv and modular kitchen/living room/disco ball room is the equivalent of buying Michaelangelo's David and using his penis to hang your coat.

I don't blame this person for wanting to sell it to someone who will appreciate it.
 
2005-01-09 03:56:09 PM  
darkhorse23: the equivalent of buying Michaelangelo's David and using his penis to hang your coat

Well, there goes my plans for if I win the Powerball...
 
2005-01-09 03:57:00 PM  
I don't blame this person for wanting to sell it to someone who will appreciate it.

Sure, but if your house is on the market for two years, it's time to get with reality and lower the price.
 
2005-01-09 03:57:38 PM  
and that, Big Merl, is why I love you.
 
2005-01-09 03:58:51 PM  
my friend got married in the Unitarian church in Oak Park. farking coolest building I have ever been in.

Way farked up yo. Leaky and horrible foundation.

Had a girlfriend that lived in the "fake" FLW house in Peoria. Totaly awesome decor, crazy shiat like giant Buddhas and zebra skin rugs.
 
2005-01-09 04:02:00 PM  
lower the price

Frank's buildings don't go down in price.
 
2005-01-09 04:18:58 PM  
darkhorse23: and that, Big Merl, is why I love you.

Aww, you just made my day. Does this mean I am forgiven for the UFIA?
 
2005-01-09 05:23:12 PM  
there was a reproduction (i think) of a flw house near my home in jersey and it was the coolest building ever. i dont know how it was to live in but I love his stuff and honestl 375K is not a lot for a home..maybe in michigan but here in NY it's a steal
 
2005-01-09 05:35:48 PM  
Heck with Frank Lloyd Wright. I want one of these cool homes.
 
2005-01-09 07:19:40 PM  

Sure, but if your house is on the market for two years, it's time to get with reality and lower the price.
does that mean that if a Van Gogh is on the market for more than two years, I can ask for a discount? How about 75 cents? After all, it's just paing and canvas. Get on with it.
 
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2005-01-09 07:50:44 PM  
But, Moran said, "I can't have just anybody" buy it.

Well, there's a clue.
 
2005-01-09 08:35:30 PM  
Frank Lloyd Wright:

O-ver-rat-ted!!!
*clap, clap, clap, clap*
O-ver-rat-ted!!!

OK architect, lousy engineer.

See Fallingwater.
 
2005-01-09 09:16:43 PM  
if a Van Gogh is on the market for more than two years, I can ask for a discount? How about 75 cents? After all, it's just paing and canvas. Get on with it.

if that is what the point of market equilibrium is, then yes you can.

since Ms. Moran requires a certain type of purchaser, then the demand goes down and hence the price will have to go down as well.

supply and demand, folks; supply and demand. economics 101.
 
2005-01-09 10:24:18 PM  
An item (house, painting, etc.) is worth what the buyer says it's worth. Not what the seller thinks it's worth.
 
2005-01-10 12:03:15 AM  
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2005-01-10 12:06:05 AM  
i've been to that house, it's beautiful.
 
2005-01-10 12:06:17 AM  
"But, Moran said, "I can't have just anybody" buy it. She considers her home, which she never has lived in, a work of art."


Well, if just anyones cash isnt enough for this stuck up biatch, tehn yeah, its gonna be tough to sell.
 
2005-01-10 12:10:09 AM  
see the issue here is that we have a "priceless" work of art that is also a utilitarian structure that must obey the real estate market. it really depends who you sell it to and who is selling. if someone just wants a house and doesnt care that its wright, the price is market-driven. if someone wants art, then the price is understandably higher. after all, theres no law against just buying it for cheap and tearing it down to build a walmart. that route may be against all that is good and holy but not against the almighty dollah
 
2005-01-10 12:10:38 AM  
darkhorse23

For the culturally uninitiated, Frank Lloyd Wright was a genius. His houses are pieces of art. To buy one and gut it to put in a flat screen tv and modular kitchen/living room/disco ball room is the equivalent of buying Michaelangelo's David and using his penis to hang your coat.

I agree with almost everything you say, but having said that, let me say this, as well: I have visited a number of Wright's houses and other buildings, and two things about them put me off of considering them as equivalent to "David." First, Wright was a shrimp (in PC talk, he was "vertically challenged") and at 6'4" I tend to bump my head a LOT on his doorways, ceilings and other fixtures. Second, his insistence on providing ALL ancillary items, including furniture, lamps, rugs, et al., plus using natural light even when inappropriate, pushes him into the realm of megalomania, beyond mere "art." I admire what the man did, but I would not want to live in one of his houses, and I doubt very much I could have tolerated him as a dinner guest.
 
2005-01-10 12:11:40 AM  
I'll, buy it. If it has central air.

Can I ride my dirtbike all over the 68 acres of common ground?
 
2005-01-10 12:12:42 AM  
Needs a lavalamp.
 
2005-01-10 12:14:33 AM  
CastorTroy

You got that right. IMHO, Frank Lloyd Wright: brilliant artist, lousy engineer.

Taliesin, his Wisconsin headquarters, is also an engineering/maintenance nightmare.
 
2005-01-10 12:17:04 AM  
There's one in Dallas too. I got laid at a party there.
 
2005-01-10 12:18:42 AM  
If they want to sell the FLW homes, they need to contact Architectural firms -- send out mass mailers... someone will want to own one. If one has something to sell, they need to go to where their market is. (like duh!)

I'd rather own a monolithic dome home, or ...

a Charles G. Wood home --

Now THOSE are beautiful to me.

Google them.
 
2005-01-10 12:18:47 AM  
A 3800 square foot ranch is not a usonian house.

I love many of Wright's homes and while it's true that I'm a bit tall for them, I would consider that a small price to pay. I'm rather claustrophilic and like the way that his houses almost wrap you up like a blanket.
 
2005-01-10 12:20:54 AM  
How can a retired art teacher afford to put $180,000 into a home she doesn't even farking live in!?
 
2005-01-10 12:22:48 AM  
CastorTroy: Frank Lloyd Wright:

O-ver-rat-ted!!!



No kidding. I visited Falling Water - interesting to look at, but nobody would want to live in it. Also, high maintenance. He used a bunch of crappy materials and didn't engineer the cantilevered design correctly, so all the balconies are drooping and cracking.
 
2005-01-10 12:24:44 AM  
kwitcherbiatchin'.

$375k is cheaper than Boston. In Somerville, MA, $375k gets you an architecturally undistinguished 2br condo that needs to be gutted and completely rehabbed before it can be lived in.
 
2005-01-10 12:26:26 AM  
A couple guys go out an invent flight.

Someone calls one overrated.

Someone's standards are a little high, don't you think?
 
2005-01-10 12:26:55 AM  
oldebayer

First, Wright was a shrimp

While you're right that he built items to suit his height, and not that of others, you're incorrect in calling him a shrimp. According to the Straight Dope, the man was probably telling the truth when he said he was five eight and a half.
 
2005-01-10 12:27:45 AM  
Ah, NICELY designed houses... not the rows upon rows upon rows of cookie-cutter bullshiat that spreads like weeds.

(Hates "quick and profitable" subdivisions...)
 
2005-01-10 12:27:48 AM  
It might be worth 375k of Frank Lloyd Wright had actually built it with his own hands.

/Moran
 
2005-01-10 12:32:42 AM  
CastorTroy: OK architect, lousy engineer.

I've noticed that with most architects, actually (Daniel Libeskind, anyone? God, I hate his WTC design...). If an architect were an engineer, he'd call himself an engineer.
 
2005-01-10 12:33:02 AM  
House in Scottdale, Az = $375,000

Same house in Hudson County, NJ = $1.5 mil

It isn't the house that will get you, it's the land and the property taxes.
 
2005-01-10 12:34:14 AM  
Epistax: A couple guys go out an invent flight.

Wrong Wright. Read the article.
 
2005-01-10 12:38:05 AM  
g026r

I read that, and not to press the issue, anyone who insists on that extra half inch is probably wearing high heels. I don't consider "shrimp" to be pejorative, and didn't mean to insult anyone. Still, even The Straight Dope has him making doorways at 6'2", which is not good when you are 6'4".

/I loved Falling Water, even though it was all covered with scaffolding when I visited. And I had to duck through most of the doorways.
 
2005-01-10 12:39:42 AM  
the coolest house on cribs ever was joel silvers frank loyd wright designed house.
 
2005-01-10 12:40:57 AM  
There is a Lloyd Wright house in Navada I think. It was shaped like a seashell horn. It was trashed because it was used as a frat house. The lady who bough it restored it wonderfully....

Except for the bathroom :(

Frank Lloyd Wright believed that bathrooms were utilitarian in nature. No foo-foo sinks or bathtubs. Stainless steel walls, shiatter, and shower. A water closet that could be cleaned with a good hose-down.

After knocking out the back bedroom wall for the curved tub, I almost cried. Oh well, it least it wasn't torn down.
 
2005-01-10 12:45:48 AM  
optikeye:

I've known people that lived in one of the usonian homes and it was pretty much unlivable. Pretty to look at but poorly designed for actual living. Major problems with repairs, roof leaked, bad heating, crampped spaces, always bumpping into something, furniture could only fit in ONE way--etc.

Yeah I went to the one near Mount Vernon. Usonian's are like what, mabye 1,100 sf tops? They aren't 'homes' - they are bungalows. They were built for people to have as a second house, or a starter house really. The one I was in had problems with the heating (its in the floor), windows, furniture, all of it. It was like standing in a painting. The kitchens are REALLY small. He also had this thing about plywood. The man was obsessed with plywood, I have no earthly idea why (cheap mabye?). The way the beds are designed, you cant sit in them and read (a headboard thingee gets in the way). Our guide told us it was this way because Wright wanted you to ready in the family area (which is full of built in bookcases and is really neato). Yeah its all natural light, which is awesome until you want to do something at night. The view is amazing and the house fits right in. But yeah the foundation on this one was so bad they actually had to move the structure like 40 feet to the left onto a new one.

Epistax:

A couple guys go out an invent flight.

Someone calls one overrated.

Someone's standards are a little high, don't you think?


Tell me you are kidding.
 
2005-01-10 12:48:21 AM  
I love FLW designs, but if I wanted to live in one I'd have it built new, with more mod cons and less compromises than the originals.

A 50+ year old house is bound to have problems, and many great architects chose materials for form over function, so they tend to deteriorate faster than standard.

Meanwhile here's some of Frank's creations. And no epistax, none of them ever flew.

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2005-01-10 12:49:31 AM  
Spring Green surrenders.
 
2005-01-10 12:49:57 AM  
Well she bought it, so there is bound to be someone out there just like her. There's an owner for every home. However, she can't live forever and she should do the right thing and turn it into a museum for the public to tour. She could get a great tax write off.
 
2005-01-10 12:59:16 AM  
Wow, had no idea that FLW even designed a home in this state, I have even been to Okemos, it's by my brother's house, think I'll be paying a visit soon. Are any of the pics above of said house?
 
2005-01-10 12:59:19 AM  
I would buy the one in the article if I could. Still not graduated from law school. Hey, if they are right about a lack of buyers, maybe I'll be able to pick it up for a song in a year and a half...
 
2005-01-10 01:01:11 AM  
I'd still buy one. If I could.
 
2005-01-10 01:01:30 AM  
"But, Moran said, "I can't have just anybody" buy it. She considers her home, which she never has lived in, a work of art."

Apparently, even SHE is not good enough for her house.

//Moran....why yes she is!
 
2005-01-10 01:07:27 AM  
i remember hearing about the height thing on a tour of one of his homes in michigan. i was under the impression (it was a long time ago) that actually he just designed the houses to match the height of the owners, and since the average height of ppl is around 5'8" that ended up being the 'target' height of a lot of the homes.. dunno for sure, but at 5'8 myself it seemed really cozy. sucks if yer tall tho.
 
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