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(ESPN)   Doug Mientkiewicz, who caught the last out of of the World Series for Boston, refuses to give the ball back to the Red Sox. "I'm thinking, there's four years at Florida State for one of my kids. At least"   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line 299
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2005-01-07 10:47:47 AM  
Hm. Don't major league ballplayers make a buttload of money?
 
2005-01-07 10:48:38 AM  
"I'm thinking, there's four years at Florida State for one of my kids. At least."

why ... don't you want them to go to college ?

/ducks
 
2005-01-07 10:54:03 AM  
What a douche. Just because he happened to make the last out doesn't make that ball any more his than anyone elses on the team. He makes plenty to put his kids through college.
 
2005-01-07 10:55:41 AM  
Bill Buckner had the same plan....

D'OH!!
 
2005-01-07 11:01:53 AM  
Tell Them I Hate Them:

Just because he happened to make the last out doesn't make that ball any more his than anyone elses on the team.

That ball doesn't belong to the Red Sox either.
 
2005-01-07 11:03:21 AM  
It has become obvious that we have all been misdirecting our goodwill the last few weeks; how could we be so short-sighted to donate all this money to those greedy asian tsunami victims when there are struggling professional atheletes who can't put their children through college?

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

/sarcasm off
 
2005-01-07 11:07:30 AM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: That ball doesn't belong to the Red Sox either.

Obviously, in a legal sense I'm sure he could keep it. That wasn't my point. Since it doesn't belong to anyone one person, shouldn't the team "share" it?
 
2005-01-07 11:10:06 AM  
silverpig, I'm sure Mientkiewicz will sell them that ball. Why should a cash fountain like the Red Sox expect him to give them a valuable piece of property? Heck, Drew will probably buy it and donate it to those ragged urchins' museum.
 
2005-01-07 11:15:26 AM  
Tell Them I Hate Them:

Since it doesn't belong to anyone one person, shouldn't the team "share" it?

Baseballs are pretty much 'finders keepers' at the major league level. The Red Sox can afford to pay for their memoribilia, just like all the fans have to. As for the rest of the team, try passing the hat and seeing how much they collect, especially when the hat has to go to Shea to get Pedro's donation.
 
2005-01-07 11:16:22 AM  
If he's not entitled to the ball, then who should have it?

I'm of the opinion that if you end up with it, and you didn't punch someone's face in to get it, then it's yours.
 
2005-01-07 11:17:19 AM  
you know, you'd think that he'd be gunning for a good school.. i hear there's one or two up in boston.
 
2005-01-07 11:18:01 AM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke

Sorry. I just figured that Mientkiewicz had at least a shread of integrity, but from what I've read, he obviously doesn't. The point is that he is a multi-freaking millionaire- HE DOESN'T NEED THE MONEY. At the very least, he could offer to donate it to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

This is a classic example of why a lot of people despise pro atheletes. Their greed shows no bounds.
 
2005-01-07 11:20:08 AM  
silverpig: ordinarily I'd agree with you on the overpaid atheletes thing, but they don't make fans give balls back...

I love peoples' selective reasoning.
 
2005-01-07 11:20:16 AM  
Now if he were willing to auction it off and give 100% of the proceeds to charity, that would be a different story...

but I doubt it
 
2005-01-07 11:20:31 AM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:

Baseballs are pretty much 'finders keepers' at the major league level. The Red Sox can afford to pay for their memoribilia, just like all the fans have to. As for the rest of the team, try passing the hat and seeing how much they collect, especially when the hat has to go to Shea to get Pedro's donation.

Again, my point was not what "rules" might apply here, more that the "right thing" to do would be to give it to the team, or to the hall like silverpig said.

Something selfish like this cheapens all the talk of teamwork and love of Boston they made after finally winning the series. If you're really so glad to have done this for the team, why not share the ball, asshat (Mientke, not DeadGhost)?
 
2005-01-07 11:21:07 AM  
Won't someone think of the baseball players???

They practically live off of peanuts and chew spit.
 
2005-01-07 11:22:22 AM  
John Napkintosh: but they don't make fans give balls back...

It's not selective reasoning. They're fans! They're supposed to get mementos because if they didn't pay outrageous ticket prices then Mientkie wouldn't be a frikkin millionaire. They love the Red Sox, and he should give the team the ball for the fans, if no one else.
 
2005-01-07 11:24:33 AM  
Selective reasoning? Most fans who catch balls at baseball games don't make $5 mil/year. Apples and oranges. Try again. I don't think you get my point.

That baseball is a historical artifact. If he made $8/hr at Burger King, more power to him for asking for the money. But as I said before, he is a multi-millionaire.
 
2005-01-07 11:27:11 AM  
That baseball is a historical artifact.

One that he now possesses, making it his.
 
2005-01-07 11:28:52 AM  
If he made $8/hr at Burger King, more power to him for asking for the money. But as I said before, he is a multi-millionaire.

That was the selective reasoning I was talking about. What if the ball had been caught by a fan who makes 5 million a year? Would you be here daminding he give the ball back?
 
2005-01-07 11:30:17 AM  
Just so everyone can know, Mientkiewicz made $2.8 million last year.
 
2005-01-07 11:33:19 AM  
Something selfish like this cheapens all the talk of teamwork and love of Boston they made after finally winning the series.

No it doesn't, it just makes delusional Red Sox fans who think their team is somehow different realize they're wrong. That's all.
 
2005-01-07 11:35:29 AM  
exick: Just so everyone can know, Mientkiewicz made $2.8 million last year.

That's roughly $17k a game.

Florida State tuition (out-of-state) = $13,168
 
2005-01-07 11:36:22 AM  
exick:

No it doesn't, it just makes delusional Red Sox fans who think their team is somehow different realize they're wrong

Different from what? I'm a Yankees fan, so don't get me wrong the Sox can bite me, but I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 
2005-01-07 11:38:39 AM  
Finders keepers, losers weepers.
 
2005-01-07 11:42:57 AM  
exick: Just so everyone can know, Mientkiewicz made $2.8 million last year.

How much did the Red Sox make last year? How much did they make selling memoribilia?


(Remember Joey 'Albert' Belle? Once he hit a milestone homer into the stands and wanted the ball back. When the fan that had the ball requested a signed bat in return, Belle sent his clubhouse gofer back with a refusal and another request for the ball. When the fan said 'Okay, I just want to meet Mr. Belle and shake his hand', Belle again refused and went into a snit and never did get his ball back.)

I'm not saying Boston shouldn't have the ball. I'm just saying they shouldn't expect to have it for free.
 
2005-01-07 11:46:24 AM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:

How much did the Red Sox make last year? How much did they make selling memoribilia?

Did you RTFA?

"We want it to be part of Red Sox archives or museums so it can be shared with the fans," Lucchino told The Boston Globe. "We would hope he would understand the historical nature of it."

They want it to be in a museum, FOR THE FANS.
 
2005-01-07 11:50:13 AM  
Maybe the owner of the team should say "Well, I need to send my kids to college too, so I'm keeping your World Series ring, dick."

What. A. Cock. Doug's millions of dollars aren't enough to send his kids to college?
 
2005-01-07 11:51:50 AM  
Tell Them I Hate Them: They want it to be in a museum, FOR THE FANS.

Then they can pay for it, FOR THE FANS.

And, of course, there could not be any thought by Boston that it's FOR THE PR.

Did you RTFA? Hmmm...did I give you the impression I thought they were going to sell it as memoribilia? My bad, if that's the case.
 
2005-01-07 11:51:56 AM  
silverpig: ordinarily I'd agree with you on the overpaid atheletes thing, but they don't make fans give balls back...
That's funny... here I thought fans had to PAY to attend games. Silly me...
 
2005-01-07 11:53:22 AM  
Different from what?

Different from other players in the league. That the guys playing in Boston are somehow above it all and not selfish pricks like most of the rest of baseball. You get the feeling they actually start believing that when you listen to them long enough.

How much did the Red Sox make last year? How much did they make selling memoribilia?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he should just give it back. I just wanted to throw his salary out there. The stupidest part of the whole thing is that they expect him to give it back for nothing so it can be "shared" with the fans, but they're going to put it in a museum where they will most likely charge fans to see it. So the Red Sox think he shouldn't make money from it and give it back so they can make money off of it instead.
 
2005-01-07 11:53:38 AM  
puffy999:

Maybe the owner of the team should say "Well, I need to send my kids to college too, so I'm keeping your World Series ring, dick."

That would be too cool if they did that.
 
2005-01-07 11:58:03 AM  
And as stated, even if he doesn't want to give the ball to the Red Sox, the Hall of Fame deserves it.

What if the ball had been caught by a fan who makes 5 million a year?
Well, for one, it wasn't caught by a fan, it was caught by a multi-millionare employee of the Red Sox organization.
And secondly, again, fans PAY to attend games, they are NOT paid to do so. If Bill Gates caught the farking ball, it wouldn't make me hate billionares even more because he wanted to sell it instead of give it to the Sawx (or the Hall).
 
2005-01-07 11:59:14 AM  
puffy999: That's funny... here I thought fans had to PAY to attend games. Silly me...

They do. And for that admission fee, they get to see a baseball game.

Perhaps at my next baseball game, I'll make my way into the dugout and start taking mementos and claim my admission fee as my right to do so.
 
2005-01-07 12:01:18 PM  
The Red Sox should just be grateful he caught the ball, unlike a previous first man.
 
2005-01-07 12:01:52 PM  
Well, for one, it wasn't caught by a fan, it was caught by a multi-millionare employee of the Red Sox organization.

Begin making point..... NOW.
 
2005-01-07 12:02:05 PM  
Take a 'base' on my error.
 
2005-01-07 12:02:15 PM  
From the FSU athletics Hall of Fame:

Doug Mientkiewicz

Doug Mientkiewicz led the Seminole baseball team with a .371 batting average, 19 home runs and 80 RBIs in his final year at Florida State. He was a member of Team USA where he led the team of all-stars with 10 home runs and 41 RBI's and was awarded the Fighting Spirit Award. His leadership helped Florida State earn its first ACC Championship and he was named the MVP of the Atlantic I Regional as a senior. He ranks 10th in the Florida State record book for batting average and slugging percentage and was named to the CWS All-Decade Team of the 1990s. In 1995, the left-handed first baseman signed with the Minnesota Twins after playing several seasons in the minor leagues. He was a member of the Gold-medal winning Olympic team in Sydney, Australia and has earned numerous honors as a major leaguer including the Most Valuable Twin and the Rawlings Golden Glove Award.
 
2005-01-07 12:09:16 PM  
I'll make my way into the dugout and start taking mementos and claim my admission fee as my right to do so.
What kind of asinine logic is that?
You understand that a fan going onto the field or into any part of the dugout is worthy of arrest, as is taking anything from a player or team employee that was NOT given to you.
On the other hand, if a ball goes into the stands, fans have every right to keep it (hell, that may be stated on every game ticket). The stands are "the territory of fans"... the field is "the territory of employees".
You're comparing apples to skyscrapers.

And hey, he doesn't HAVE to give it back. But he sure is a money-grubbing dick, whose going to receive a SHIATLOAD of hate from the Red Sox nation (and as we all know, they're great at hating).
 
2005-01-07 12:11:03 PM  
And again, maybe someone should hold onto his World Series ring until he decides to pull his head out of his ass.
 
2005-01-07 12:12:21 PM  
I should mention a ball that's grounded toward the stands, and is grabbed by a fan, isn't quite the same as running onto the field of play or going into the dugout to take something.
 
2005-01-07 12:14:39 PM  
puffy999: But he sure is a money-grubbing dick


just a question, if you were earning 17k a game and caught a possible million dollar ball would you give it back?

answer honestly now...

myself, I would look at it like a retirement fund,
 
2005-01-07 12:17:00 PM  
puffy999:

And hey, he doesn't HAVE to give it back. But he sure is a money-grubbing dick, whose going to receive a SHIATLOAD of hate from the Red Sox nation (and as we all know, they're great at hating).

Exactly my point! Of course he isn't legally obligated, but he's still a total douche.
 
2005-01-07 12:21:16 PM  
Dick101
If I was one of the lucky few people in this world who made millions of dollars by playing a game, I would give it to the Red Sox (especially since it's the Red Sox... the Curse was strong in them) for use in their museum, no questions asked.

But, maybe being a pro athlete makes many players a-holes.
You know, though... if it were nearly any other player on their team, there's no way they'd keep the ball (Pedro probably would, though).
 
2005-01-07 12:26:48 PM  
putty999
hmmm, you're probably being very honest (if idealist), but it might be possible you would look at things differently if it was you with the ball.

I think the majority of people (myself included) would keep the ball.
 
2005-01-07 12:28:48 PM  
Another consideration...pro athletes do have a certain level of fear of "here today- gone tomorrow". They know that the salary they get now may have to last them the rest of their lives.

By the way, Red Sox General Manager Theo Epstien was on the radio this morning saying that they will be trading one of their first basemen for a prospect... wanna guess who he'll pick?
 
2005-01-07 12:36:02 PM  
Well, one game's salary for Doug would be more than I've made with part-time work in my life... so that's where I'm coming from. I wouldn't need more millions, if I already had millions. And I'm one who respects the history of the game. This ball is very historical.
Of course, again, if I grew up and had the talent to play in the majors, chances are I'd be a lot more asshattish than I am now.

But to be honest, if I found a bag of $5k on the side of the road today... that wouldn't be such an easy choice to just give up.
 
2005-01-07 12:36:51 PM  
Actually, most of you are wrong about his greed. He specifically states in the article that he wants to keep it as a memento, but implies that if the Red Sox want it, he can be bought.

From the article:
Mientkiewicz: It would be cool if we have kids someday to have it stay in our family for a long time. But I can be bought. I'm thinking, there's four years at Florida State for one of my kids. At least.

It doesn't look to me that his intention is to sell it for profit.
 
2005-01-07 12:37:02 PM  
Florida State? Talk about low expectations for your kids...
 
2005-01-07 12:37:51 PM  
puffy999: What kind of asinine logic is that?

It was based on your logic that a fan is somehow entitled to something other than watching a game because they paid an admission fee.

Yeah, it was an exaggerated exmaple, but you can't very well say that a fan should get to keep a ball but a player shouldn't just beacuse a fan paid a fee. Nor can you say that a ball player doesn't get to keep a ball just because he's employed by the sport.

If anything, I think the ball players should have first right to the ball before the fans when the game is over - even if the thing left the park. Hell - the ball players are what make those things worth any more than a $2 ball of leather, cork, and rubber. It's a little hard to get a ball back once it leaves the stands though, so it's not really worth trying to get it back, but if it stays on the field, then it's first come first serve.

Oh look at that... the ball is already in my glove. Looks like 'first come' to me.
 
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