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(AP)   Saudi Arabia starts the new year by beheading drug smugglers   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 159
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2005-01-01 04:36:19 PM  
This thread is worthless without pics.

/window seat
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-01-01 04:41:50 PM  
Could Bush have persuaded Congress and the voters to support an invasion of Saudi Arabia? Could he have avoided another Arab oil embargo? I say no to both. There was no choice between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

It has been suggested that the attack on Iraq was meant in part as a lesson to Saudi Arabia -- clean up or you could be next.
 
2005-01-01 04:43:37 PM  
In reply to the statement -Please think for a second about the geo-political consequences of invading the birthplace of Islam and occupying Mecca and Medina.

ZAZ a TFer said "It could be like a giant bug-zapper for Islamic militants."

Sorry I said geo-political not console gaming.
Next!
 
2005-01-01 04:44:32 PM  
ZAZ

An indefinately prolonged, increasingly expensive lesson.

Sign me up for that private school!
 
SGF
2005-01-01 04:53:11 PM  
Now there's a story to shatter cultural stereotypes
 
2005-01-01 04:59:45 PM  
whoflungpoop: Wanna take drug smugglers out? Make all drugs legal.

Weaver95: Nope, they'll still smuggle drugs.

This is partially true. Smugglers wouldn't go out of bussiness. Lots of legal drugs are smuggled today, such as booze and cigarettes. There's no reason to believe marijuana and herion would be any different. Anything that gets taxed or regulated gets smuggled. Immigrants, illegal drugs, legal drugs, cancer treatments, prostitutes -- people have made money keeping goods and services hidden from the tax man and the regulator for a long, long time, and it won't ever go away.

Legalization won't end all drug smuggling. It would probably cut 99% of the profit out of it. And, drug dealers would be entirely out of business. But, smugglers would still smuggle, whether it be booze, or marijuana, or mexicans. And, they'd still mostly be scumbags.
 
2005-01-01 05:00:43 PM  
"Into your hands Oh Lord, I commence my spirit. Amen"

"And oh Lord, if you're feeling guilty about that tsunami unpleasantness, I have some good shiat for thou."

/one please
 
2005-01-01 05:05:42 PM  
Weaver95 I too, had a nice Knights Templar vision in occupying Mecca and Medina. Very funny!

I have visions of the bulldozers razing all the buildings and rebuilding them with concrete and steel. Oh, the economical possibilities!
 
B82
2005-01-01 05:15:32 PM  
If we had invaded Saudi Arabia, the serial complainers on the Left would just say "why haven't we invaded Iraq? Saddam is worse than the Saudi royal family!"
 
2005-01-01 05:19:11 PM  
Lots of countries make drug smuggling a capital offence. Malaysia and Iran come to mind.
 
2005-01-01 05:19:20 PM  
B82: If we had invaded Saudi Arabia, the serial complainers on the Left would just say "why haven't we invaded Iraq? Saddam is worse than the Saudi royal family!"

No, we'd still be saying "why the are we invading any countries at all?"
 
2005-01-01 05:19:57 PM  
I don't know which thing improves the glory of Allah more, a sword stroke in the public square or a dull knife in the hooded pussy patrol's secret clubhouse.
 
2005-01-01 05:20:46 PM  
Err, maybe we'd actually say, "Why the heck are we invading any countries at all?"

At least, that's what we might be saying on Fark.
 
2005-01-01 05:23:06 PM  
mc frontalot

Wait, killing people is the best way to protect them from the harms of heroin?

The same way staying at home with the flu prevents some of your co-workers from catching it at the office.
 
2005-01-01 05:25:42 PM  
IronMdn said:
"Weaver95 I too, had a nice Knights Templar vision in occupying Mecca and Medina. Very funny!

I have visions of the bulldozers razing all the buildings and rebuilding them with concrete and steel. Oh, the economical possibilities!"

It would be an economical possibility, if you kept the damn buildings there. If you razed and destroyed the buildings in Mecca and Medina then there would be no reason for any Muslims to go there. Except for maybe coming in a huge angry mob, screaming out in why their holy sites are destroyed. If you ever decide to destroy Mecca and/or Medina, I think the only things you will be able to sell those people are guns, bombs, and directions to the homes of the people who thought of that plan. That's what could happen.
 
2005-01-01 05:34:38 PM  
I read "dog smugglers".
 
2005-01-01 05:42:05 PM  
Try the veal.
 
2005-01-01 05:45:30 PM  
Betcha if America adopted beheadings and canings (Beaten nearly to death with a bamboo stick like in south east Asian countries) for major drug offenses, then the war on drugs would be well controlable within 15 years! Remember I said MAJOR drug offenses like meth labs, cocaine production and smuggling not possessing marijuana.

BTW any of you guys and gals know the current breakdowns of the relief contributions per country to those Asian countries hit with that massive disaster? Most of those countries are made up with Hindu and Muslim populous and I know America have contributed nearly 400 million but I like to know how much most Muslim countries are donating to see if they care as much for those effected by the disaster as the west does for Muslims.
They claim their faith is entrusted to look out and care for the poor or those affected by disaster, regardless of what their faith is, and I like to find out if the richest country Saudi Arabia or the Sultan of Brunei are indeed generous as America or Spain is :-)
 
2005-01-01 06:02:41 PM  
Array
Was in referance to the question asked pertaining to why the USA had to "liberate" Iraq and not Saudi Arabia.


1. The Saudi royals have finally figured out that Bin Laden's goons want them dead, too, so they're finally clamping down on them. They're not as great an ally as we'd like, but they're at least improving. Saddam wouldn't have gotten even that far.

2. Half of Saudi Arabia sides with the House of Saud and hates the US, while the other half likes Bin Laden and hates the US even more. If we kick out the former, the replacement would be either just as bad or worse. In Iraq, the ruling party was the minority, and the remaining Shiites and Kurds are actually cooperating with us. As soon as al-Sadr broke ranks, he got shunned by his own people.

3. With Saddam gone, we've got a new best friend in the region so we won't need to depend on Saudi Arabia as much any more. That way we can marginalize their effect without diverting extra forces to them. Had we gone after Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq, this would not have been the case, as we didn't depend on Iraq for anything.

Conclusion: The Saudi royals deserve an ass-kicking just as Saddam did and many other countries do, but regarding an overall strategy for the war on terror, it's simply more effective to put them further down the ass-kicking list. Plus, by the time we get that far, we might not need to kick their ass at all with the new diplomatic and economic footholds in the area. That's what we're trying to do with Iran, now that we've got them surrounded by either our allies in the region or our own occupation forces.
 
2005-01-01 06:03:23 PM  
(Shrugs)

Elect me, and the first thing I'll do is embargo Saudi Arabia.
The first thing I'll do after our military's, y'know, capable of fighting a war is invade and occupy all of it save Mecca and Medina.

(Oh, and take down Iran too while we're at it. If we're going to be overthrowing governments, we should do it right.)
 
2005-01-01 06:06:51 PM  
*hero*
 
2005-01-01 06:11:59 PM  
Ninjawitch said:

Betcha if America adopted beheadings and canings (Beaten nearly to death with a bamboo stick like in south east Asian countries) for major drug offenses, then the war on drugs would be well controlable within 15 years!


True. After a few canings of their top executives, the drug corporations would stop overcharging Americans and stop trying to do things like suppress safety studies on prescription drugs that they manufacture.

And.. I bet if we executed one or two of their CEOs, then they'd stop playing around with refiling slightly-altered patent applications to get around the 17-year-limit on patent protection, so that cheap generic versions could then be safely distributed in poor third-world countries.

Oh wait... you meant a different "war on drugs" didn't you?

You meant the one where we destroy our civil liberties so that we can futily spin our wheels trying to stop adults from voluntarally ingesting things that they like to ingest?

Lotsa luck on that one. Not.

;)
 
2005-01-01 06:13:17 PM  
now that is a real War on Drugs
 
2005-01-01 06:13:43 PM  
Shouldnt this link have been titled: "1, 2, & 3"?

Damn nubie submitters.
 
2005-01-01 06:14:05 PM  
Betcha if America adopted beheadings and canings (Beaten nearly to death with a bamboo stick like in south east Asian countries) for major drug offenses, then the war on drugs would be well controlable within 15 years! Remember I said MAJOR drug offenses like meth labs, cocaine production and smuggling not possessing marijuana.

Yeah, and if you castrated every kid who cheated on a test, test cheating in schools would go way down, what's your point?

And possessing pot is ok, but the guys who smuggle it to you need to be beheaded? Where are you going to get your pot? And one drug is ok but another warrants death? You need to work a little more on your manifesto, it's got some holes.
 
2005-01-01 06:37:35 PM  
Capital punishment is an effective deterrent -- against people who fear death and have a legal system which contains neither appeals nor a general sense that justice must temper the urge to punish.

People who live in democracies know better, including the criminals. Part and parcel.

Those of you getting misty-eyed over an American past where pesky checks and balances never interfered with swift punishment need to remember that you're getting nostalgic about lynch mobs, not the justice system.
 
2005-01-01 06:40:20 PM  
EnemyFrank: No, killing the people who supply the heroin is the best way.

You do understand you are now sharing the same mentality of the Taliban right.
 
2005-01-01 06:47:08 PM  
I don't see anything wrong with this. At least they make the law very well known. You smuggle drugs, you get your head chopped off. Nice and clear. There's no ambiguities. No misunderstanding the consequences. The guys smuggling the drugs knew full well that their heads would be chopped off if they were caught, and they took the risk. If only the laws on this side of the pond were so well defined.
 
2005-01-01 06:56:36 PM  
Weaver95:
Nope, they'll still smuggle drugs. What - you think all those criminals will suddenly go legit and pay taxes after years of breaking the law? Don't be naive.

He's exactly right. Because remember, after Prohibition got repealed, how everyone still was smuggling alcohol and how that practice continues to this very day instead of alcohol companies making a huge, legitimate, taxed profit?

Oh, wait. The exact opposite happened.
 
2005-01-01 06:57:07 PM  
Well yeah but what if they're innocent? Somehow I don't see a huge defense attorney industry in Saudi Arabia.
 
2005-01-01 07:17:23 PM  
I read a study on crime rates a couple of years ago..
USA had 5.6 homicdes per 100,000 and the countris in the EU had around 1 per 100,000. If capital punishment works as shouldn't the figures be the opposite, less homicide in the US and more in the EU (no capital punishment)?
 
2005-01-01 07:18:35 PM  

Weaver95: Nope, they'll still smuggle drugs. What - you think all those criminals will suddenly go legit and pay taxes after years of breaking the law? Don't be naive.

Can you really be this dumb? They might still smuggle drugs, but who will buy them from criminals, risking contact with dangerous people, risking adulterated doses, risking poor quality control, etc.?

Would you really be dumb enough to buy your drugs from smugglers when you could get them from a legitimate business, of guaranteed purity, of guaranteed strength? Where are you going to find enough dumb people to keep the criminals in business. Where do you live, again?

Wait, killing people is the best way to protect them from the harms of heroin?

dude3129: The same way staying at home with the flu prevents some of your co-workers from catching it at the office.



Or, the same way we like to kill people with the flu and burn them in their houses. You think heroin addiction is a contagious disease? You're another dummy. Why don't you look into this wild new concept: "personal responsibility." Long story short: if you become a heroin addict, it's all your fault. You didn't catch it from some junkie.

 
2005-01-01 07:34:33 PM  
jansve:

First of all, I would check your statistics as to that homocide rate. This site indicates that it is much higher for the US. Don't know about the EU, 1 per 100,000 sounds ridiculously, almost impossibly low. That would mean that a city like Paris (pop. 10 million) would have only 100 murders a year.


Keep in mind that most EU countries don't have a significant underclass of poor people. Of course, countries like the UK and the Netherlands have immigrant poor but they are much less numerous than the US. If you want to look at the relative equality of money distribution, google "Gini coefficient".

Also, they have less guns, which generally means less homocides (I am not an anti-gun nut, this is just common sense as it is easier to kill someone by pulling a trigger).

I would also say that comparing country vs. country data is probably a poor way to find out if the death penalty is effective. A better way would be to compare two demographically similar US states, one that has the death penalty and one that does not. Even that would be flawed, as the application of the death penalty varies by state.
 
2005-01-01 07:42:12 PM  
I would love to see that in public...Now I know not to go into Saudi for a visit.
 
2005-01-01 07:45:46 PM  
Would you really be dumb enough to buy your drugs from smugglers when you could get them from a legitimate business, of guaranteed purity, of guaranteed strength? Where are you going to find enough dumb people to keep the criminals in business. Where do you live, again?


You're right, why would anyone want to illegally get their prescription drugs from Canada when they could buy them from the cheap, efficient U.S. manufacturers?
 
2005-01-01 07:58:31 PM  

Keep in mind this is the country that attacked us on 9/11.

Unless you're a red-stater and still think all those hijackers came from Iraq.

 
2005-01-01 08:20:13 PM  
 
2005-01-01 08:21:47 PM  
Saudi executed and crucified

Saudi Arabian authorities Friday beheaded and crucified a Saudi national convicted of killing and robbing his mother.

Behead and crucified -- top that!
 
2005-01-01 08:28:51 PM  
"Behead and crucified -- top that!"

Saudi Arabia is a modern day example of the 12th Century. But, they're our buddies so I won't say anything bad about them. Our fearless leader thinks they're good God/Allah-fearing folk, so I should too.
 
2005-01-01 08:56:08 PM  
CruzAzul
Yeah "Saudi Arabia" attacked us on 9/11....grow up and get a clue.
 
2005-01-01 09:02:04 PM  
for those saying thaT this is a good way to fight the war on drugs i can tell you with experience that it doesnt work.the streets of jeddah are flooded with drugs.
for those asking why ppl will risk their lives for it lemme explain it this way....
ounce of weed=375 US$
2.2 pounds of hash=10,000$ aprox.
1 gram of coke=300/350$(im not kidding)
the funny thing is that 1 gram of heroin=25$(i dont know why the hell that is)

/is from there
 
2005-01-01 09:14:42 PM  
F. Scott Fitzpanarchy

The average EU homicide rate for 1999-2001 was 1.59 in the US it was 5.56. France had an average of 1.73, Norway 0.95, Germany 1.15. For stats se; http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb1203.pdf
 
2005-01-01 09:16:09 PM  
CruzAzul
Keep in mind this is the country that attacked us on 9/11.


Dude, the people who attacked us on 9/11 hate Saudi Arabia, too, because they dare to maintain any ties at all with the west. If anything, the House of Saud HATES bin Laden because Al-Qaeda wants to knock them out of power. It PO's me that it took them this long to figure out that raising a culture of hatred might come back to bite them in the ass, but at least they've finally realized that they share an interest with us in cracking down on terrorism.
 
2005-01-01 09:31:58 PM  
Anyone that says we need MORE brutality to stop crime...have public beheadings done that?
 
2005-01-01 09:32:28 PM  
Beheaded and crucified? In that order? Am I missing something here? How will the condemmed be aware of his fate under crucifiction if his head rolled away minutes ago?
 
2005-01-01 09:58:38 PM  
I think the crucifixion part is meant to be a sort of icing on the cake, like the way they used to paint the bodies of hanged pirates with tar and left them on the gallows for months on end. A suitable way of reminding the populace, "Don't be like this guy."
 
2005-01-01 11:34:01 PM  
Well - its better than those asshole catholics who held some mass for victims of the tsunami!!!
 
2005-01-01 11:38:23 PM  
They might still smuggle drugs, but who will buy them from criminals, risking contact with dangerous people, risking adulterated doses, risking poor quality control, etc.?

They'll buy them for the same reasons people still buy moonshine - it's cheap and the money won't go to the fed. Just making something legal won't automagically stop drug smuggling. In fact, it'll make it even worse.

We could end drug smuggling tomorrow. Hell, we could smash the distribution network tonight. We could smash it so completely it would take decades for it to recover, if it ever did. But we'd also pretty much end up at war with most of south america in the process. We'd also do serious collateral damage to international shipping and several treaty obligations.

Legalization isn't the answer. It's simply incredible that anyone could think it's any sort of solution.
 
2005-01-01 11:43:55 PM  
Well - its better than those asshole catholics who held some mass for victims of the tsunami!!!

I am truly at a loss to respond to ignorance of this level. I think i'll just put a check into the 'buy a clue, asshat' column and move on with life.
 
2005-01-01 11:46:28 PM  
BondageFaerie:

Yes, because beheading people in public is such a humane and civilized practice.

*rolls eyes*
 
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