helix400:

Wow. Just wow. We should know better than those who live there how to use the land? They're too ignorant to know better? Wow, that had to be one of the snootiest, condescending answers I've ever heard.

There is absolutely nothing condescending about what I just said. It is not my opinion that we are more advanced technologically than any third world nation, it is a fact. It is also a fact that we, as the more advanced, know what long term effects our technology will have. They, by and large, do not.

Therefore, the responsibility falls to us to make judgments and take precautions to ensure that we don't totally fark up the environment for them because, as I said, we should know better.

Tell Them I Hate Them The locals don't understand what long term damage dropping a factory there will do.

That sounds pretty condescending to me.

helix400: That sounds pretty condescending to me

I swear to god my farking head is going to pop. You're telling me that some farmers in South America understand what polution a Nike factory is going cause 20 years down the road? The factory owners who have built similar facilities and know what they do wouldn't have more knowledge than them regarding polution is condescending?

Give me a break.

Tell Them I Hate Them

You compare Alaskan locals in such a way that they are ignorant, redneck, uneducated people who never have been involved in oil drilling before.

But they have done oil drilling before. And they live in the wilderness. They know what they are doing. They know how to do it with minimal impact. For you to suggest that they have no experience and we would know better simply because they are poor and desperate for jobs is condescending.

hillbillypharmacist if you live on the goddam tundra, and aren't doing so hot because there's nothing there to do, move to where the jobs are.

Oooh, the condescension continues.

First, they live on economically productive lands. Second, some Washington politicians lock up tens of millions of acres next to their homes. Third, you now tell them if they want jobs, to move, because you're not willing to give a small portion of the land back.

helix400:

But they have done oil drilling before. And they live in the wilderness. They know what they are doing. They know how to do it with minimal impact. For you to suggest that they have no experience and we would know better simply because they are poor and desperate for jobs is condescending.

This is my last try...

The guys working the rigs should not, and do not, have as much knowledge regarding the long term effects of drilling. I am not saying they are dumb, or worse that those who do. I'm saying that it is a FACT THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW AS MUCH IN THIS ONE AREA.

I didn't call them rednecks, I didn't call them stupid, so don't put words in my mouth. I stated that they aren't as aware of the facts as others, which I think is 100% true.

I'm looking out for them because I think they could be taken advantage of. That's all.

I agree that we shouldn't be drilling in ANWR. I also agree we need to do much more to locate and stockpile consumable natural resources, including oil. What I don't understand is why we refuse to annex the most resource viable underdeveloped area in the world - Canada.

Tell Them I Hate Them

I understand you completely and agree with you.

helix400: First, they live on economically productive lands. Second, some Washington politicians lock up tens of millions of acres next to their homes.

I don't think homestead laws apply any more. The land belongs to the government, and therefore all of the people of the United States.

The Washington politicians have locked it up on behalf of the interests of the people who voted them into office.

If 5.7 billion barrels of oil goes up for grabs, you can also bet it will be some company out of Texas that will benefit most. They may let the locals do the dirty work.

costermonger It's a farking wildlife reserve. That means you can't build shiat there.

Why? Because it's on the map? Because you trust that every bit of land was correctly locked up the first time around? Becauase once it's been done, it can't be undone? Just because it's been federally designated as wilderness doesn't mean that it's right, or that it should be completely locked away from any drilling.

Tell Them I Hate Them The guys working the rigs should not, and do not, have as much knowledge regarding the long term effects of drilling. I'm saying that it is a FACT THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW AS MUCH IN THIS ONE AREA.

I can respect this. =) I would just disagree, because I think locals definitely know the long term effects because they see and live next to the long term effects.

I'm looking out for them because I think they could be taken advantage of. That's all.

That's fine. But just remember this when some federal regulation negatively affects your life because someone else thinks they are just looking out for you.

costermonger: /I swear I must be on everybody's ignore list.

Nope.

As for the Yellowstone comment. They'd have to do it over my dead body if they ever tried.
Yellowstone is set to be my eternal resting place. I have a permit for my ashes to be scattered there when the time comes.

Ugh, I'd better be done with after this, I've commented way too much.

costermonger Do the people who want to drill actually own the land in question?

No, I don't ignore you. =) But to answer your question, they never really had a chance to own it. Long ago, the federal government took control of most open, undeveloped land in the western US, and it can be very difficult to buy any of it for private use.

hillbillypharmacist if it's washington politicians who've locked up the land, then you should take it up with them.

That's exactly what's happening. =) Congress will probably open this issue up again. Of course, all 3 Alaskan congressman strongly support opening up ANWR.

Awesome. I saw this thread was green - and thought I'd pop my head in and see flaming crap being tossed from side to side by the regulars.

But you guys?

Comeon! Hold hands!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Dancin_In_Anson: Another man's view...


Feh! Propaganda. No better, no worse than any Greenpeace type propaganda.

Yes I watched it all, and I wish I had the time to spend quoting and rebutting but I just don't give that much of a fark right now. Perhaps when I have a better buzz on.

My Baby's Daddy was actually pretty funny. Hell, they had Eddie Griffin and Amy Sedaris onboard.

Anyhow, I think we all learned our lesson about trusting Eskimos after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. Ice parking lot if you ask me.

I think that article summed up the "list of shiat I don't care about" for 2004... William Hung, Paris Hilton, grilled cheese sandwitch, and Janet's Boobie... Who cares?

How cute, the lady who LOST had something to say.

"Madrid, Spain, March 11, 2004. Beslan, Russia, Sept. 3, 2004."

... I don't get it. What happened in Madrid and Beslan are forgettable / should be forgotten?

What's that supposed to mean?

I think when she sat in her SUV for 2 hours so she could get a photo op. with Arnold Schwarzeneger and then she knocked over the microphone set-up should be one of the things on that list. That was so pathetic and funny!

That a man who finds the Geneva Conventions "quaint" is going to be our next attorney general.

It's sad that our next AG doesn't know the Geneva Convention are THE LAW OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. They're not any more quaint or ignorable than a federal murder statute.

mcflizzy


"Madrid, Spain, March 11, 2004. Beslan, Russia, Sept. 3, 2004."

... I don't get it. What happened in Madrid and Beslan are forgettable / should be forgotten?

What's that supposed to mean?

That she wants to forget about the Islamo-fascists and the threat they pose to the current world order?

The thing about Bush is, he's a moron.

"You break it, you live with it for the rest of your life."

Let's ask Arianna:

At this very moment, exactly how many dead American soldiers?

I just can't believe how much debt this guy is running up?

Doesn't he realise that when America is bankrupt his personal gains won't mean anything?

I wish the candidate had to pass a "Skill testing question" like lottery winners do.....

CornHut: At this very moment, exactly how many dead American soldiers?

I would bet absolutely anything she knows.

Hi Dancin'!

Happy New Year! *hugs and kisses*



/fark everyone who is being a fussbudget on this thread. If y'all want to do something productive, go watch DICK (the movie) with Kirsten Dunst/Michelle Williams. It's hilarious.

I would have also added "paying 26k for a pretend island" to this list:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/17/news_6115292.html

mcflizzy:

... I don't get it. What happened in Madrid and Beslan are forgettable / should be forgotten?


It means she wishes they never happened and were not a part of our collective consciousness. If the article had been written more recently she probably would have included the tsunami in S.E. Asia.

Jaegs: I wish the candidate had to pass a "Skill testing question" like lottery winners do.....

Your Canadianism is showing; we unfortunately have no such requirements in the U.S.

/If Only!

{We liberals (Including Huffington) may be out of power for the moment, but at least there's the satisfaction of being on the correct side of history.}
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That remains to be seen RICHE, lets just say I am old enough to have heard the same assurances from Liberals about Ronald Reagan, just before the Berlin wall fell, we had about two dozen democracies break out in the world, and apartheid fell.
Oh yeah, and the economy took off like a rocket while prices and interest rates went down. Lets see, in about three years I'll let you know if you were right or not.

Arianna wasn't a Bush backer in 2000. After her Republican husband got the ghey in the 90's, she became a Michael Moore clone

Impudent Domain:

Ronald Reagan, just before the Berlin wall fell, we had about two dozen democracies break out in the world, and apartheid fell.

Apartheid did not fall while Reagan was in office. We (liberals) we're still protesting it in 1990. Now I don't remember when it fell but it was not when RayGun Ronnie was in office.

Yesdog:

Psst, DIA: You kicked in a little before your cue. No problem though -- we'll catch up in the chorus.


Nicely played old chap. How very expository.

Cornhut:

"Let's ask Arianna:
At this very moment, exactly how many dead American soldiers?"

You're kidding that you think Arianna Huffington and Paul Wolfowitz should be held to the same standard of knowledge on that subject, right?