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2004-12-31 03:35:04 PM  
Lots of good ones on there. Lots of unanswered "WTF"?
 
2004-12-31 03:40:53 PM  
Can we forget about Arianna Huffington?
 
2004-12-31 03:43:17 PM  
Hey, great, more political flame bait.
 
2004-12-31 03:44:13 PM  


I'd hit it during a conversation with Bill Maher.
 
2004-12-31 03:46:59 PM  
Well, at least it's a good followup to yesterday's "Good News" thread.
 
2004-12-31 03:47:16 PM  
She was a Bush backer in 2000 (anybody else remember the segments with her in bed with Al Franken on Politically Incorrect?)
 
2004-12-31 04:00:27 PM  
What an ignorant biatch:

"That of the roughly 550 enemy combatants held captive in Guantanamo Bay, only four have been formally charged."

Since when have POWs ever been charged with anything other than war crimes? (See Nuermburg)

"That, thanks to presidential cutbacks, we actually have fewer police and first responders on the streets today than we had on 9/11."

Bullshiat.

"Drilling for oil in ANWR. I've been desperately trying to forget this one since 2001, but the White House just won't let me."

WTF?
 
2004-12-31 04:01:18 PM  
That's a pretty good list.

- Cue the BUSH APOLOGIZERS!
 
2004-12-31 04:03:02 PM  
Psst, DIA: You kicked in a little before your cue. No problem though -- we'll catch up in the chorus.
 
2004-12-31 04:06:11 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: What an ignorant biatch

I stopped reading at "ignorant biatch", I'm guessing I didn't miss much.
 
2004-12-31 04:08:07 PM  
All these angry liberals and so many years between elections. What will they do, what will they do?
 
2004-12-31 04:09:10 PM  


Here's to the last flamewar of 2004!

And before anybody gets too upset, contimplate the pile of cute kittens:


Awwww! How Cute!

###################

We liberals (Including Huffington) may be out of power for the moment, but at least there's the satisfaction of being on the correct side of history.
 
2004-12-31 04:10:02 PM  
Cue the "Say aything bad about Bush without regard to reality" apoligizers...

Really...this broad is dumber than a box of hammers...
 
2004-12-31 04:10:47 PM  
So you think drilling for oil in a wildlife reserve is a good idea then, D_I_A?

Maybe we could somehow incorporate the animals into the actual drilling, you know, strap a barrel on their backs and have them lug the oil to the tankers?
 
2004-12-31 04:13:55 PM  
charmed1782:

So you think drilling for oil in a wildlife reserve is a good idea then, D_I_A?

Absolutley.
 
2004-12-31 04:14:01 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Really...this broad is dumber than a box of hammers...

More name calling! You really know how to get a thread rolling towards intelligent discourse, don't you?
 
2004-12-31 04:14:49 PM  
"That George Tenet, who knew that the intel on Iraqi WMD was thinner than Lara Flynn Boyle on Dexatrim."

Say what you want about Ms. Huffington. That line is a classic!
 
2004-12-31 04:16:24 PM  
How big is this wildlife preserve? Are we pushing all the animals out of it by drilling? Are the animals going to move somewhere else because they don't like the oil wells?

Seriously, just asking. I have no idea.
 
2004-12-31 04:17:01 PM  
Tell Them I Hate Them:

More name calling! You really know how to get a thread rolling towards intelligent discourse, don't you?



Well...anything worth doin' is worth doin' right...
 
2004-12-31 04:17:25 PM  
I agree with some of the things mentioned but I have to confess that the "Don't be economic girlie men" was a great line. Lighten up, Arianna.
 
2004-12-31 04:18:38 PM  
DIA they aren't POW's, at least in the eyes of the US government.

If you're not a POW, and you're in jail, aren't you supposed to be charged with something?
 
2004-12-31 04:18:49 PM  
mikemoto: but I have to confess that the "Don't be economic girlie men" was a great line.

No it wasn't great, it was homophobic.
 
2004-12-31 04:19:22 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

charmed1782:

So you think drilling for oil in a wildlife reserve is a good idea then, D_I_A?

Absolutley.


Wow, ok. I guess your grandchildren will enjoy living on the moon or something, and we'll just use up this old planet entirely. I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?
 
2004-12-31 04:20:43 PM  
The Pistons/Pacers basketbrawl.

What? Why would anyone want to forget the greatest moment in televised sports history?? I'll never forget watching this at a bar in Midtown, with every guy in the place ooohing every time Jermaine O'Neal clocked the punk. My favorite moment of 2004. Just ask Bill.
 
2004-12-31 04:21:20 PM  
charmed1782: I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?

Economic girlie men, I guess.
 
2004-12-31 04:21:32 PM  
charmed1782: I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?


Only Liberals need that stuff. Republicans have their heads so far up their asses, they don't need air anymore.
 
2004-12-31 04:25:12 PM  
charmed1782 So you think drilling for oil in a wildlife reserve

I sure do, as long as it's done in the way it's proposed.

1) The local population wants it. Put yourself in their shoes, if your town was surrounded by federally controlled land and governed by people thousands of miles away, how would you feel? They know how to use their land, and they want the drilling to help their town get jobs. But environmentalists in urban cities think they know better those who live there.

2) The amount of area to be drilled is extremely small compared to the entire reserve.

3) Alaska is unimaginably huge, and it is essentially one gigantic wilderness reserve. You can't lock it all up. Let those who live there use a teeny fraction of the land.

4) Many of the areas to be drilled aren't exactly pristine wilderness, just bland, run of the mill wilderness.

So, with those, I would ask, why wouldn't we let them drill?
 
2004-12-31 04:27:39 PM  
charmed1782:

Wow, ok. I guess your grandchildren will enjoy living on the moon or something, and we'll just use up this old planet entirely. I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?



Come on...You're kidding me...right? Please tell me you didn't really mean that...please...
 
2004-12-31 04:28:08 PM  
helix400: But environmentalists in urban cities think they know better those who live there.

Yeah, cause they have an education. They want jobs let them be greeters at Wal-Mart.


/fuel for the fire
//it's cold in here.
///that's a troll folks, let's see who bites.
 
2004-12-31 04:29:31 PM  
Don't worry D_I_A as soon as the new congress is in session, I think drilling in ANWAR will get the greenlight pretty quick.

Too bad it won't effect our dependence on foriegn oil in any noticable way. Good old Saudia Arabia will still have the US by the balls there.

Too bad also about all those oil wells, roads, and pipelines being scattered widely across one the most beautiful and among the last truly pristine patches of land in the world.

It will, however, make (a very few) wealthy people much wealthier.

The facts back me up here. But don't take my word for it. do some reading.
 
2004-12-31 04:33:38 PM  
But environmentalists in urban cities think they know better those who live there.
Environmentalists are those people who study the environment and know the potential risks/benefits of drilling the reserve, right? I would guess that people who do this for a living would know a litle bit more about it that a guy who just happens to live next to an oil field.

You can't lock it all up. Let those who live there use a teeny fraction of the land.
I guess those people could move to another, more economically feasible area of the world, if they needed to drill for oil to survive.

4) Many of the areas to be drilled aren't exactly pristine wilderness, just bland, run of the mill wilderness.
Hahaha! Bland wilderness. Explain that to the animals living there? Sorry, your woods aren't pretty enough, so we're going to go ahead and upgrade your reservation and send you over to the pristine pent house section of the reserve. Great thanks!

I don't think that there is enough oil there to warrant drilling anyway. What's the point? If it was going to be enough that the U.S. could get off of foreign oil, then I wold relent and say it was ok. But it's not going to make a difference.

I don't see why people aren't spending more time thinking up engines that don't require gasoline? We can make a microchip that holds so much data, we can clone things, we can do so many amazing things, yet no one can come up with a better engine??
 
2004-12-31 04:36:16 PM  
helix400:

3) Alaska is unimaginably huge, and it is essentially one gigantic wilderness reserve.

Thinking that there are limitless reserves up there is a dangerous, dangerous path to take. I assure you there is a finite amount of space up there.

just bland, run of the mill wilderness.

Okay this part was a joke right? It's "bland" so it doesn't matter?
 
2004-12-31 04:36:34 PM  
charmed1782: yet no one can come up with a better engine??

Of course not. The oil companies won't allow it. You'd make too many wealthy people go broke.
 
2004-12-31 04:36:52 PM  
Riche:

The facts back me up here. But don't take my word for it. do some reading.

I have. The supposition that that one of the last truly pristine patches of land will be ruined by production is wrong in every way shape and form.
 
2004-12-31 04:37:56 PM  
TheChaz:


f course not. The oil companies won't allow it.

I see tha everyone got a new tin foil hat under the tree this year!
 
2004-12-31 04:39:15 PM  
but charmed1782, an alternative energy source engine might not make the "vroom-vroom" noise!

The reason so little work is being done on alternative energy resources is because our reliance on the internal combustion engine is very, very profitable for a lot of people, and the threat of running out of oil is not immediate.

Internal combustion engines will not go away until there is no more fuel for them.
 
2004-12-31 04:40:45 PM  
charmed1782:

Maybe we could somehow incorporate the animals into the actual drilling, you know, strap a barrel on their backs and have them lug the oil to the tankers?



If you're going to say " I guess your grandchildren will enjoy living on the moon or something, and we'll just use up this old planet entirely. I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?" you're oging to have to do better than that in discussing t why this is rather than this kind of silliness...
 
2004-12-31 04:41:44 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I see tha everyone got a new tin foil hat under the tree this year!

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's capitalism at work. Sorry to burst the bubble, but it's not a perfect economic system.
 
2004-12-31 04:42:21 PM  
Estimated ANWR reserves: 5.7 to 16 billion barrels
US oil consumption/day: 20 million barrels
Days of oil in the ANWR: 285 to 800 (9.5 to 26 months)

Is it really worth farking up the last pristine piece of wilderness on the continent for 1-2 years worth of oil?
 
2004-12-31 04:44:26 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I see tha everyone got a new tin foil hat under the tree this year!

Not I, wish I had though. I want one made from that new Reynolds Release stuff.

You only need to look at some of the things oil companies and others have already done to see that what I said is totally not tin hat material.

Let's look to Los Angeles. Once upon a time L.A. had one of the best public transportation systems in the world. It was sold to a conglomerate of Oil, Tire & Motor companies who then dismantled the Red Line and brought about the hideous car culture that is L.A. today. It's public transportation system is decades away from being truly useful and it's likely they'll never be able to get enough people to use it. So, yes I truly believe that if an alternative engine came about the oil companies would do anything to stop it.

Let's move to more modern times do a little research on the EV1 and see how Ford killed it and said there was no demand, they lied, the demand was huge, why then did they kill it?
 
2004-12-31 04:45:26 PM  
How cool would that be to visit your grandkids on the moon?
 
2004-12-31 04:46:41 PM  
Tell Them I Hate Them

Thinking that there are limitless reserves up there is a dangerous, dangerous path to take. I assure you there is a finite amount of space up there.

Yes, but the total affected area will be roughly 2000 acres for drilling. Compare that to Alaska's total size of 420,112,000 acres. I hardly think this is a slippery slope.

Okay this part was a joke right? It's "bland" so it doesn't matter?

What, you think all wilderness is pristine postcard quality wilderness? Ever lived next to bland wilderness? It's there, and it exists in massive amounts. And it often makes a huge difference in determine whether such lands can be developed, drilled, or mined. Of course everyone wants pristine postcard quality wilderness preserved. But if it's bland, generic, boring land...then it doesn't exactly qualify for locking it up so locals can't use it.
 
2004-12-31 04:47:03 PM  
whatshisname:

Is it really worth farking up the last pristine piece of wilderness on the continent for 1-2 years worth of oil?

You're darn tootin' it is. Condi needs more money and we're naming the pipeline after her.

/dubya
 
2004-12-31 04:50:33 PM  
whatshisname Is it really worth farking up the last pristine piece of wilderness on the continent for 1-2 years worth of oil?

Try this. Go to the local towns near the areas to be drilled, and convince them why they can't use their land for drilling. Convince them that you know how to run it better than they do. Try explaining why it's better for the common good that they can't have jobs because you want to have an extra few thousands acres of the huge wilderness that surrounds them locked up.
 
2004-12-31 04:50:45 PM  
helix400:

Yes, but the total affected area will be roughly 2000 acres for drilling. Compare that to Alaska's total size of 420,112,000 acres. I hardly think this is a slippery slope.

My point was that your line of thinking is dangerous. Yes, right now the percentage we would use seems small. But it won't be so small in 30 years, let alone in 100. Unless steps are taken now, we're asking for trouble and ignoring the inevitable.

What, you think all wilderness is pristine postcard quality wilderness?

No, I don't. I just don't think how pretty something is should determine wether or not we drill there. "So the locals can use it" is not the only reason not to drill.
 
2004-12-31 04:53:59 PM  
helix400:

Try this. Go to the local towns near the areas to be drilled, and convince them why they can't use their land for drilling. Convince them that you know how to run it better than they do.

We shouldn't have to do that, because we should know better. When the U.S. goes into third world nations (example here- I'm not saying Alaska is third world) the locals don't understand what long term damage dropping a factory there will do. All they understand is that we'll pay them, and that sounds great. But just because they agree does not make it right. Bottom line- we should know better.
 
2004-12-31 04:54:00 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

charmed1782:

Maybe we could somehow incorporate the animals into the actual drilling, you know, strap a barrel on their backs and have them lug the oil to the tankers?

If you're going to say " I guess your grandchildren will enjoy living on the moon or something, and we'll just use up this old planet entirely. I mean, who needs animals and trees and clean air and stuff?" you're oging to have to do better than that in discussing t why this is rather than this kind of silliness...


I was just trying to make light of the situation. I don't really want to get involved in a heated flamewar with you, because I know where you stand and don't feel like wasting my time or remaining brain cells trying to convince you otherwise. VIVA LA BUSH BACKER!

/ok that last one was just a little dig
//last troll of the year and all that
 
2004-12-31 04:57:53 PM  
Tell Them I Hate Them The locals don't understand what long term damage dropping a factory there will do. All they understand is that we'll pay them, and that sounds great. But just because they agree does not make it right. Bottom line- we should know better.

Wow. Just wow. We should know better than those who live there how to use the land? They're too ignorant to know better? Wow, that had to be one of the snootiest, condescending answers I've ever heard.
 
2004-12-31 04:59:01 PM  
helix400

the total affected area will be roughly 2000 acres for drilling


What the people who want this DON'T mention is the fact that those 2000 acres isn't in one big patch. Nope. Those 2000 acres will be in little 1 or 2 acre (or less) sites scattered all across ANWAR.

And don't forget the roads! You need roads to connect all those hundreds and hundreds of little drilling sites. Thousands of miles of roads.

But, hey, it's only a couple of thousand of acres TOTAL


Besides, I'm sure the giant oil companies will be EXTRA CAREFUL.




OOPS! Sorry. Won't happen again. Promise!
 
2004-12-31 05:00:30 PM  
helix400: Try this. Go to the local towns near the areas to be drilled, and convince them why they can't use their land for drilling.

Many issues conflict with limited, local economies, and that's unfortunate. But it's not a compelling reason for always siding with development.
 
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