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2004-12-31 05:45:11 PM
I love how Bush and Powell are now saying they needed to be briefed on the extent of the damage before committing more money...

For Christ's sake, the death toll should be a good enough indicator, no?

Also, why in the hell is Jeb Bush going over there? Save the fuel for some more food or another doctor on the plane. Christ.

/end rant.
 
2004-12-31 05:53:13 PM
I still enjoy watching major news organizations refer to the tsunami as a tidal wave.
 
2004-12-31 05:53:49 PM
Crap green light. There is evidence to support each of the headlines. What's more important is that all sides of the story are covered in the news articles.
 
2004-12-31 05:54:09 PM
It's like, hello?
 
2004-12-31 05:55:19 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto:

I love how Bush and Powell are now saying they needed to be briefed on the extent of the damage before committing more money...
For Christ's sake, the death toll should be a good enough indicator, no?


again, i point out the president and secretary of state wanteed to know what resources were needed while the seecretary general of the u.n. didn't want to be disturbed from his stay at a luxury ski resort FOR THREE FULL DAYS!!!

maybe when a hundred thousand or so have just been killed in a natural disaster the secretary general might want to leave his luxury vacation to ask what the hell was going on!
 
2004-12-31 05:56:22 PM
Dictionary.com sez:

tsunami

n : a huge destructive wave (especially one caused by an earthquake) [syn: tidal wave]


So suck it!
 
2004-12-31 06:01:58 PM
TheDirtyNacho: Bush spent $355 million on his inauguration?

You are aware that $350m is a pledge, aren't you? A pledge does not equal an actual transfer of funds, moran. I'd suggest that you stop being a tard. As it stands, Bush is spending more on his inaguration than he's actually donated anyway. How much has Bush actually donated to date? How about the US Government as a whole? England? Italy? Russia?

Fact is, no country really has a right to talk about who has the bigger hearts. And I sure hope this doesn't turn into a pissing contest to see who has the biggest wallets. And I really and truly hope that people here won't start spewing oddball shiat about who's donating what at what rate.

It's an unfortunate event that has happened in south-east Asia due to the tsunamis. I do feel, however, that all the media attention being paid to this event is out of control. We don't need front page stories all the time about how many more are dead. News here at home is depressing enough without that.

Media bias? Maybe. A media that is out of control? Definately.
 
2004-12-31 06:02:04 PM
I hate the bias towards "celebrity" always evident in stories like this. Look at all of the "Celebrity" angles pushed over the past few days.

How many column inches were burned to let us know how some SI swimsuit model fared?

There is your false idol, an idol worshipped by the masses - Celebrity.

People are so hooked up in the worship of celebrity that it is natural to focus on an SI Swimsuit Edition model in the midst of covering a tragedy as big as this - because people feel that they identify with her, because she is "famous".

One close look into People Magazine is enough to make a sane man cry.

Fark Celebrities.

Happy New Year
 
2004-12-31 06:03:37 PM
The UN officicials claim that the US is very bogus is silly. He only counted US dollars that go through the UN. How many hundreds of billions does the US spend to protect Europe, Japan, South Korea etc. Not to mention private contributions by US citizens are way above any other country in the world. In fact US spending on foreign aid is almost equal to that of all countries in the world. Besides a trademark of Bush is not quick action but deliberate action.
 
2004-12-31 06:03:43 PM
The libs are goin' nuts. This is the best!

Please, keep posting. You are hilarious.
 
2004-12-31 06:05:42 PM
Baconpatroller:
what is it with the media using "tidal wave" as a synonym for "tsunami"?

Tsunami is a Japanese word that means the same thing as tidal wave. I think the media just likes to use as many synonyms as possible because it makes them sound smart.

I'm more annoyed with the media measuring each country's donation penis against one another.
 
2004-12-31 06:06:21 PM
There's a lot of useful news out there. Its just that headlines are not the place to get them. :P

U.S. contributions is smaller than other countries, O.K., now the U.S. fixes that, so now it's oneupmanship. Feh.

There's a previous story on Fark about India doing what it usually does -- not taking cash from other countries. I didn't know they did that. Pretty cool of them. People goof on their 3rd world country -- but they're pretty badass as poor countries go.

Canada has said it will forgive the debts of the affected countries. Pretty nice of them. The U.S., E.U., and Russia haven't said that. The first cocky Canuk who brags about that better first look at the respective cash value of those loans by country.

Like StomachMonkey: said:

So our end: Relief POURS out.
Their end: Relief slowly trickles in.


But you forgot a step. Middlemen take their cut.

And given the U.N.'s attitude before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, you can add -- U.N. biatches about how the U.S. isn't patient enough

And with the Oil for Food scandal, we got another step. U.N. is one of the middlemen. Everyone is shocked.
 
2004-12-31 06:06:29 PM
"Do you think the US will ever see a dime of that $350B in return.. absolutely not. Do you think we would ask... no way.

Uh, how do you think international relations works? It's called 'greasing the wheels,' and Europe is beating the pants off of us at it. It's just about the best way to buy votes on the world stage, but we seem to have forgotten it.

"But I guess we are stingy with our money still."

As a percentage of GDP, you could make that argument, and many do. And you're also assuming the person quoted stated that he meant the U.S. and ONLY the U.S. was stingy. Gotta be a bit more of a critical reader, there.
 
2004-12-31 06:10:13 PM
As a small-town newspaper editor, I write a lot of headlines. A lot of times, articles will have some supposed headline that I just trash and rewrite. Other times, I type a headline in off the top of my head, and no one can think of anything better, so it prints. The writers don't usually have much say over their headlines. Sometimes, anal-retentive production people will rework them so they exactly fit the width of the article.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 
2004-12-31 06:14:00 PM
I love reading all these comments from back-seat Presidents.

A. You're not the President.
B. Bush is.
C. Where does this money come from that we pledge for world relief? Does Bush simply make a withdrawal from the international bank of the illuminaty or national bank of rich and powerful white men? Are these funds mutually exclusive from what is currently in circulation in our economy?

D. Here's an idea: want to have Bush pledge more money? So do I. I propose that in order to give more money to stop the suffering of those in Indonesia we stop all money going into government regulation of all unnecessary things.

E. Define "unnecessary things".

F. Become republican.

/whining asshats
 
2004-12-31 06:14:25 PM
tidal wave

tidal wave, term properly applied to the crest of a tide as it moves around the earth. In popular usage it is often applied to any destructive wave or to high water not related to tidal phenomena. These latter waves are of two types: tsunami, which are waves caused by earthquakes, and storm surges. Storm surges are floods of ocean or lake water that occur chiefly in areas subject to tropical storms and bordering on shallow waters. In Galveston, Tex., in 1900 a wind velocity of more than 100 mi (160 km) per hr, combined with low barometric pressure, caused tides 15 ft (5 m) above normal that flooded coastal areas, resulting in the loss of thousands of lives and extensive property damage.

The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright 2004, Columbia University Press.

/yes, ordinary people use them as synonyms; ordinary people don't have any responsibility to get things right. Popular usage can be as wrong as it wants. The media, on the other hand, ought to know what they are talking about.
 
2004-12-31 06:18:23 PM
nerfball: Actually, it is per capita that pays the bills. There's no reason Americans couldn't afford $8 per person - and if they did so, then there would be a hell of a lot more chance that people in affected countries would be able to get the help they needed quickly.

You should be ashamed that until yesterday, a comparitively small country like Sweden had pledged *double* what a huge country like the United States had. You should be doubly ashamed when you consider that the GDP per capita in Sweden is only around 75% of ours - so they make less money, but pledged far, far more than we did.

If we were to be really fair, we'd say that we should be pledging the same amount as these other countries - adjusted for GDP. Hence we should be pledging around 8.75x as much as we currently are - just a touch over 3 BILLION dollars.
 
2004-12-31 06:18:24 PM
Baconpatroller:

/yes, ordinary people use them as synonyms; ordinary people don't have any responsibility to get things right. Popular usage can be as wrong as it wants. The media, on the other hand, ought to know what they are talking about.

So the media aren't comprised of ordinary people? Puh-leeze. Also, who is the target audience? Normal people. If you want to engage in this pedantic masturbation, go right ahead. Just don't give the media any more credit than they deserve.
 
2004-12-31 06:18:52 PM
You are aware that $350m is a pledge, aren't you? A pledge does not equal an actual transfer of funds, moran.

NY Times had an editorial mentioning this...

Making things worse, we often pledge more money than we actually deliver. Victims of the earthquake in Bam, Iran, a year ago are still living in tents because aid, including ours, has not materialized in the amounts pledged. And back in 2002, Mr. Bush announced his Millennium Challenge account to give African countries development assistance of up to $5 billion a year, but the account has yet to disburse a single dollar.

As for the per capita stuff, we all know what side of the matter Jesus came down on. For a wealthy nation that stridently proclaims how "Christian" it is, we give an embarassingly small amount of that wealth to the needy.
 
2004-12-31 06:20:39 PM
dj4aces: I doubt you'd have argued the same about the (comparitively) tiny disaster we call 9/11. I'm sure that time round, you were overjoyed by the outpouring of support from the rest of the world, and the world's media.

When it doesn't DIRECTLY affect the US though, most Americans really don't give a rats ass.
 
2004-12-31 06:20:48 PM
gweilo8888:

nerfball: Actually, it is per capita that pays the bills. There's no reason Americans couldn't afford $8 per person


if its all about per capita contributions and not real dollars, why isn't the world complaining about china's per capita contribution?

/its all about real dollars.
 
2004-12-31 06:20:49 PM
Why is the implication here that our government is selfish.
Americans are selfish. No American here has the right to biatch, unless they are not protected by the government they require to spend so much money to protect them.
 
2004-12-31 06:23:37 PM
gweilo8888

Now, if only we can get americans and american media to say that.

/much easier to blame people we VOTED into office.
//the world is not fooled.
 
2004-12-31 06:24:42 PM
Arkcon

pssst I'm trying not to brag.... can't hold it much longer... just tell me.. repsective value of loans...
 
2004-12-31 06:26:40 PM
Did anybody consider that the reporters are reporting on what's happening where they are and that they may be thousands of miles from one another?

Maybe it's less media bias than it is difference in what's occuring in different countries.
 
2004-12-31 06:27:55 PM
gweilo8888:

nerfball: Actually, it is per capita that pays the bills.

and, by the way, if per capita contributions solved the crisis, we would only be expected to pick up 5% of the tab because we are only 5% of the global population.
 
2004-12-31 06:31:55 PM
cydcharisse: The libs are goin' nuts. This is the best!

What exactly do you mean by this, troll?

As for the per capita stuff, we all know what side of the matter Jesus came down on. For a wealthy nation that stridently proclaims how "Christian" it is, we give an embarassingly small amount of that wealth to the needy.

What you believe and what you practice seem to be two different things, apparently. There are some truly generous religious folks out there, and this is evident. However, the masses who feel they need someone or something to believe in so they feel better, make those generous religious folks look pretty bad.

On the other hand, you don't have to be religious in order to be generous.

However, you can give more than just money. This is important to realise and consider in the days ahead. A monetary contest seems well underway, but the most important thing we need to send is physical aid. Medical professionals, food, educational aids, perhaps even counselors to help children and relatives cope with the loss of loved ones.

I challenge everyone in government to put on a pair of work pants, roll up his/her sleeves, and go over there and help.
 
2004-12-31 06:37:36 PM
gweilo8888:

I doubt you'd have argued the same about the (comparitively) tiny disaster we call 9/11. I'm sure that time round, you were overjoyed by the outpouring of support from the rest of the world, and the world's media.

Keep doubting. You'd be wrong either way. I was sick of hearing about it on 12 Sept. And I knew people who died in that event.
 
2004-12-31 06:39:55 PM
Must...leave...this...intelligence...vacuum! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
i^2
2004-12-31 06:40:20 PM
nerfball:

per capita doesn't pay the bills. real money pays the bills, feeds people and saves lives.

Are you seriously arguing that $2.45 billion would not pay more bills, feed more people and save more lives than $350 million would?
 
2004-12-31 06:46:39 PM
i^2:

Are you seriously arguing that $2.45 billion would not pay more bills, feed more people and save more lives than $350 million would?


throwing more money at the situation might not be the best solution. the questions that should be asked are "what is needed" and "where is it needed."

if we throw unlimited amounts of money at the problem, the money will surely disappear, but will it get the most assistance to the most people in the shortest amount of time? of course not, it will disappear into peoples' pockets and that much less will be available for the next disaster.

we should be thinking of how to help the people and then finding a cost to do it, not on finding a way to spend as much money as possible on this disaster.
 
2004-12-31 06:47:21 PM
HaywoodJablonski:

I'd rather get it right than sound like you.
 
2004-12-31 06:50:39 PM
nerfball are you still here? Let's have a recap:

nerfball

personally, i'd love to see how al-jezeera is protraying the americans who are in muslim indonesia doing what they can to save lives and mitigate suffering.
--
rush22

Find out for yourself: http://english.aljazeera.net/
--
nerfball

as expected, 'the great satan' was delinquent.

"The newly announced aid came after some critics claimed that the initial US contribution of $35 million was meagre considering the vast wealth of the nation."

when will we admit the arab states are just a sewer?
--
rush22

...you're quoting an Associated Press article.
 
2004-12-31 06:52:03 PM
rush22:

nerfball are you still here? Let's have a recap:

your point is....?
 
2004-12-31 06:54:32 PM
It's gonna take awhile

NSFW and disturbing.
 
2004-12-31 06:55:52 PM
"2004-12-31 05:01:34 PM Half Man Half Biscuit

Kikii

I really don't want to defend Bush, but ...... (There by this, you prove you are a wet diaper doper baby)
/ but $40 million for a party, meh. (Wow, thats less than President happy pants inaugural party!! and paid for by private donations. What about Greenpeace donate something? What about MOVEON.tard pledge something?) Stop hating so much!
Fark'n Libs
 
2004-12-31 06:56:02 PM
rush22:

nerfball are you still here? Let's have a recap:

as usual, thee united states will work with those nations who actually want to help as opposed to those who want to grap political headlines. we will make an assessment of what needs to be done, collect donations from other countries, pay any excess out of our own pockets and then wait to have the rest of the world scream about how much they hate us once the crisis is over.

we're used it it by now.
 
2004-12-31 07:11:01 PM
Woot! Go Canada!

/the most generous per capita so far
//i think...
 
2004-12-31 07:18:01 PM
lol nerfball. Happy new year! May you resolve not to jump to conclusions and maybe to get a little perspective on life. I'm outta here.

/fyi: Who owns The Associated Press?
The Associated Press is a not-for-profit cooperative, which means it is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.
 
2004-12-31 07:19:11 PM
the death toll should be a good enough indicator, no?

No. The death toll is meaningless in determining the amount of money to send. The important numbers are the injured and damage to critical infrastructure. The dead will still be dead after the money arrives. The injured and starving can still be helped. Further, it's not money that they need. It's doctors and supplies.

My favorite example of bad disaster relief regards the proceeds of those "We are the World" type concerts for the starving Ethiopians. Initially, they tried shipping the food to the Ethiopian government, who were *TRYING* to starve out those tribes. Unsurprisingly, the food didn't make it to the starving. Later efforts distributed the food *directly* to the starving.
 
2004-12-31 07:19:44 PM
Jaegs:

Woot! Go Canada!
/the most generous per capita so far


now, wwho was the silly person who said its about savinng lives and not about any country trying to gain a claim of moral superiority?

/you per capita donation has been offered to the needy as a proportionate offering of assistance. you gave 11,000 people 1/10 of the medical care needed to save their lives and you also gave 21,000 1/3 of the food needed to keep them alive. in due course, you will be assessed a proportionate share of their burial costs. they will be buried 2 1/2 feet deep.
 
2004-12-31 07:22:59 PM
I've been reading several forums, and it's amazing how you Americans are getting hung up in politics over this thing.
Just relax folks. You're doing the Right Thing. Your President has done the right thing... you cant just suddenly promise $350 million bucks. It takes a few days for the impact of something like this to sink in, and then time to discuss what the right thing to do is. And your govt did it. That's good and proper.

And from what I've seen individuals and organisations are making serious donations. Dont get hung up on which country is donating the most per capita and stuff like that.

Don't get caught up in that hand wringing.
 
2004-12-31 07:27:30 PM
emjoi:

I've been reading several forums, and it's amazing how you Americans are getting hung up in politics over this thing.


its the asshat from the u.n. who (while his boss was off on his skiing vacation and coudln't be disturbed by the crisis) took the first available opportunity to bash us and call us 'stingy' that has some of us feeling rather offended.

the u.n. turned this into a political pissing match, knowing all the time it was the u.s that was going to end up paying whatever tab the rest of the world didn't pick up.

i think we have the right to feel offended.
 
2004-12-31 07:35:51 PM
New Madrid, Missouri

That is some scary shiat.
 
2004-12-31 07:49:59 PM
Is something wrong with Firefox? I can barely read that thing, it looks like a 5yr old went wild with scissors and a scanner.
 
2004-12-31 07:56:22 PM
Something like this kinda' makes beating each other over the heads with Holy Books seem very...pointless. There are no atheists in foxholes, but there will be no religions when Tsunami Mommy comes for us all.

Suffering and death on a massive scale, bringing people together. Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like you just got a nut.
 
2004-12-31 08:01:15 PM
Nerfball: If you'll look back, you'll see I said a combination of per capita and GDP. China's GDP is peanuts compared to the US, so we have far more expendable income that should be going to aid than they do.

That said, I am not currently aware of what donations China has made (with the exception of Hong Kong, which I consider to be a separate entity - and where contributions by businesses and the public at large have been pouring in).
 
2004-12-31 08:22:12 PM
As an aside, I'm getting pretty frustrated with some of the more strident posters -- when I click on their profile, I get zilch. No geographical info, can't even tell if they're male or female. Come on, stand up for yourselves and post a decent profile if you're going to be so balls-out bold!
 
2004-12-31 08:38:47 PM
Seth_J:

I really didn't see any bias... although those headlines about money slowly getting there are pretty stupid. The first thing I would be thinking after a tragedy like that is not "Where's the money?"

What do you propose then? If you've got an idea for how to help the region without the use of money, a lot of governments would love to hear it.
 
2004-12-31 08:40:39 PM
fstop

As Bush isn't my president please feel free to call me a farking lib, and try and get a rise by pokeing at moveon, your stunning reposte is lost on me when you accuse me of being a blue stater.

Increasing the relief aid by 10x is a *good* thing and if this was brought about because the administration was essentially pwn3d by a good number of other countries then this is an indication of the people in power, not the people as a whole.

The UK has put-up $100 million (and noting what others have posted our record on deliving on this is good) and are sending warships into the area to provide logistical support to the rescue efforts. Also the British people have donated about $90 million themselves, I take it as given that other nations have done the same but I've not seen anything reported. If the US people do the same, at the same rate to their government, then this will significantly help.

As to the Coronation of George II, the generous donations will be repaid with no-bid contracts over the next 4 years. Happy with where your tax money goes?
 
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