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jre
2005-01-01 06:59:26 AM  
SeekerRex
Why do we need to help more than anybody else? I dont get it, they dont like the US involvment, but now its YOU ARENT HELPING US

Oh I agbree, Indonesia and Sri Lanka are just hotbeds of anti-Americanism. Damn those browner folk.
 
2005-01-01 07:04:10 AM  
jre
Oh I agbree [sic], Indonesia and Sri Lanka are just hotbeds of anti-Americanism. Damn those browner folk.

I guess you missed the picture above.

Here it is again for you,

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=51896117&c di=0

Take a look at the t-shirt in the background.
 
jre
2005-01-01 07:11:58 AM  
stiff_upper_lip
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php

Ironically enough, below that story I got an ad that asked "what's your IQ?" Doesn't go low enough for Westboro's congregation.
 
2005-01-01 07:16:57 AM  
Why on earth is anyone complaining about helping?

To all those people who say that Americans should sort out their own back yard before helping anyone else... why can't you do both?

To all those who say that "they" don't like "us"... I would like to see or hear your personal experience of that. I've never been to any of these countries, but you obviously all have had some really bad vacations...feel free to share.

If there is anyone over the age of 12 saying that the US shouldn't make such a big contribution then you should just be ashamed of yourselves.

For once this issue has nothing to do with America, it is to do with EVERYBODY. If you've got $4 in your pocket go stick it in a donation box, or give it the homeless guy on the street, or even better pop the money in the box, and then take the homeless guy back to your placve for a meal and a hot bath....
 
jre
2005-01-01 07:17:56 AM  
nerfball
we don't hate the u.n. as much as the u.n. hates democracy.

Incidentally, What's your opinion on the US having veto power (the ability to overturn resolutions that have been voted on) in the UN?
 
jre
2005-01-01 07:20:45 AM  
noisemag
For once this issue has nothing to do with America, it is to do with EVERYBODY. If you've got $4 in your pocket go stick it in a donation box, or give it the homeless guy on the street, or even better pop the money in the box, and then take the homeless guy back to your placve for a meal and a hot bath....

Absolutely.

If you have a bank account, some money in your pocket, and loose change hanging around the house, you're amongst the richest people in the world.

Most of the people hit by the tsunami? Not so lucky.
 
2005-01-01 09:01:34 AM  
Jeezus...y'all are making me need a Bloody Mary
 
2005-01-01 10:41:42 AM  
But we don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic.

American democracy is the great political lie.
 
2005-01-01 11:02:14 AM  
bring_a_towel:

Lets not forget that most of the USA's AID is delivered through agencies like USAID. USAID's policy to buy products IN THE USA and ship them make its spending less effective.

No other nation behaves this way. Normally a nation will give the money to an agency who will spend the money locally where it is most effective.

For instance, when buying food to ship to africa, the USA will buy it in the USA and ship to Africa. Everyone else will BUY excess food in africa -- or wherever is closest.

This makes USAID more of a dollar-shore/corporate subsidy system.
 
2005-01-01 11:19:43 AM  
EE Kid

But we don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. American democracy is the great political lie.

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oh, poor poor EE Kid. You live in a democracy. Universal Sufferage -- look it up.

You live in a Republic because your head of state is *not* a monarch. And it is representative.

You live in a Democracy because you elect your representatives and have universal sufferage (as opposed to say, land-owners-only which would be less than a modern-acceptable situation for 'democracy')

--

What praytell makes the usa *NOT* a democracy *BUT* a republic?
 
2005-01-01 11:20:51 AM  
Everyone in the world is connected. Helping other countries that produce various products will indirectly help us down the road.

In regards to helping the homeless here vs. disaster victims overseas... Well, the U.S. has lots of programs established in the needed areas to help the homeless. Obviously, as much help as we give them, if they don't choose to get themselves out of their rut, they will just remain a constant drain on our taxes and resources.

The victims overseas were not homeless. These were people who held jobs, supported their families and worked hard in their lives. I'm not saying one life vs. another is more valuable but helping people who are willing to help themselves will result in better use of the money; not to mention disaster victims deserve it more anyway.

Unfortunately, I prefer not to give money to people who gave up on life and uses money for alcohol. If I hear from somewhere that giving money to a begger on the street will actually change their lives, I may reconsider my position.
 
2005-01-01 11:50:17 AM  
jre
Sri Lanka and India like us more or less, primarily due to the outsourcing bit and as they have their own Muslim extremists to deal with.

Indonesia -- some elements still blame us because they got hit the hardest by the SE Asia crisis of 1998, and think the IMF (which is simplified from Europe-Japan-USA to the USA in many minds) is to blame.

Actually, I don't blame them. Open capital markets only invite hot, speculative money to come in and ruin things. Free trade accelerates the destructive impact of the open capital markets.

Malaysia's experience proves that some degree of capital control will not ruin things totally, although the jury is of course out over the long-term (5+ years) effect of capital controls. If only Mahathir would shut his piehole when it comes to blaming "the JOOZ" every time something goes wrong ...
 
2005-01-01 11:52:32 AM  
To all the idiots saying that the amount was increased due to shame, kindly STFU. The death toll is rising by the hour, so of course the initial aid offer has grown accordlingly.

I'm happy my country is giving aid to these poor people, but please remember that we don't HAVE to.

America is the great satan until things like this happens, then the world lines up with one hand out while qietly sharpening the knife destined for our back with the other.
 
2005-01-01 12:16:55 PM  
To everyone worried that the 0.003% of our GNP this represents is far too much money -- dont worry. We almost never actually deliver the money we promise.

We've delivered almost none of the AIDS relief we've promised to Africa four years ago, and we've spent almost none of the reconstruction money we've promised in Iraq.

A promise of $350,000,000.00 from the United States means about as much as a promise of $350,000,000.00 from me. It's very nice and generous, but don't spend it until you see the cash, m'kay?
 
2005-01-01 12:41:07 PM  
This may have been said before, but I hope that everyone is keeping in mind that $350 million has only been pledged. And, as anyone knows, western countries rarely send all the money that is pledged. Usually, they get round to sending half the original amount in, ooh, about five years.

It's perfect - we look as if we're helping, but ensure that or contributions are too late / less than promised / both so that things continue to decline rapidly in those countries. Then, of course, multinational corporations can come in and save the day by the miraculous process of 'economic renewal' (now with 70% sweatshop labour) and exploit the starving.

Of course, we also use international aid to bully poorer countries into adopting unsustainable practices - such as using Monsanto's 'Terminator' seeds, which makes these countries dependent on us, pretty much, forever.

This applies to almost all western democracies.
 
2005-01-01 12:42:21 PM  
And, as I read and then post my comment - 'The Larch' gets there before me. Excellent.
 
2005-01-01 12:49:50 PM  
Seems apparant to me that with 350 mil pledged, every man woman and child in America has already thrown a buck 60 in the great big salvation army kettle that is the US Treasury. Anything we give as private citizens is on top of that. Just wanted to point this out so you folks saying "if you didn't donate something to help you should shut up" can realize that every American has already given more than say, the French.
 
2005-01-01 12:59:45 PM  
Remember, kiddies - the Oil for Food scandal was led by Halliburton.

/not that this will change a single rightie's mind
 
2005-01-01 01:00:03 PM  

Why aren't the vast multitudes of Democrat Hollywood donating their millions of dollars? These people live 100 times more lavishly than Bush or any politician (with the exception of John Kerry) does. These people are so much better than Middle America, as they so often point out. But I guess I wouldn't want to take away Cher's gold plated toliet


What the hell? You just have to make everything a partisan issue?

If you wanna play that card, I guess what you're saying is that all republicans in Hollywood and country music and sports are just pouring the money out of their pockets? Along with all Republican billionaire CEOs? And none of the evil liberal hippies care about people other than themselves and just jerk off at the sight of people suffering? Since of course, everything must be black and white in your universe otherwise things would get too complicated and you might have to use that squishy thing in your skull more often.

We donated all this money. GOOD. There is no reason why this is a bad thing. My only complaint is that we're spending more money killing people finding new and better ways to kill people than we spend helping people whose lives could be saved. Last I checked, celebrities don't do this.
 
2005-01-01 01:07:25 PM  
Do they accept post-dated checks? I'll give'em the money, they just can't cash it right away, you know.
 
2005-01-01 01:20:05 PM  
glad to see that this has turned into yet another debate about who is more right, democrat or republican.

the fact is, though, is that it is necessary for America to act as the world's police man and fire man and ambulance driver. I'm not just saying that because I think America is better than everyone else. We just happen to have the resources and infrastructure in place that allows us to do so.

The really sad part is that America doesn't do this because we have a "higher moral standard." we don't. we are just as petty and stupid as any other country in the world. we just happen to have the power to stand up for ourselves. This is why all those other countries don't like us so much.

Which is also why it is necessary for us to send aide to all the countries that were affected by the Tsunami. It makes us look better in the international eye. It will show foreigners that America isn't all bad. There is good in us too.

Think about this, too: this tragedy wipped out a significant portion of India's population. If India isn't rebuild quickly and efficiently (which it won't be without our help) it will more than likely fall into civil war. This tends to happen when the populace doesn't have bread to eat or a place to lay their heads. Do we really want India, and all of its military, to fall into civil war? the winning faction just might hate their neighbors more than the current regime. that could be the start of another war that America would get involved in.

so look at this whole relief situation from the perspective of America as a country among other countries. It is in our political best interest to send aide to the disaster area.

And besides, 350 million isn't all that much. If we were really serious, the government would have donated 350 billion dollars
 
2005-01-01 01:56:05 PM  
ricbach229: man woman and child in America has already thrown a buck 60 in the great big salvation army kettle that is the US Treasury... every American has already given more than say, the French.

Until Thursday, France was still the single largest contributor, at $59 million US (about $1 per capita).

At this moment, Japan is the single largest contributor, at almost $500 million US (about $4 per capita).

The largest per-capita contribution is probably Sweden, at around $80 million (about $10 per capita).

So, you can take your rightous indignation and shove it up your ass.
 
2005-01-01 02:18:02 PM  
Also, richback229, check your math. There are nearly 300 million people in the United States. $350 million is about $1.19 per person, not $1.60.

That's not a whole lot different than France's $0.98 per person.
 
2005-01-01 02:19:11 PM  
kulkulcan:

It's always funny when people think that guns will defend their liberties and freedom while at the same time most things they "own" belong to the bank. You are already a slave, the gun in your hand is only there to give you the illusion of being "free".

Yeah but a gun in your hand makes you just as free as a gun in the president's hand makes him free. No one is truly free regardless of the power they have and people are mortal. Any human death is really an ending to a particular reality.

jaydoubleyou:

I agree.

As far as donating $350 million... wake up. It's a scam to...



...look like humanitarian saints so we can go in and economically take over that huge track of devasted land. You could put in a few skyscrapers, some megamalls, fast food, etc. Let's get some American developers in there boys. ahaaa

/unless Japan beats us to it with asia-friendly relations and $500mil
 
2005-01-01 03:04:59 PM  
cleverloginname

Most US GOVERNMENT aid is sent through USAID or is credits for military expenditures. But Government aid is less than 25% of what the US gives in cash alone. The US gives far more aid in voluntary services.

Since most of the US government aid is designed to affect foreign policy (there are some very large exceptions, for instance, US Colleges alone give more in dollar amounts than all the aid from the entire nation of Norway), comparing what the US government gives to humanitarian aid is like comparing apples and oranges.

But the people of the US voluntarilly give far more generously in both dollars and services.

One of the things that you will often hear when asking people in other countries about the US, is that they love America and have no problem with the American people, but they have at best a very strong dislike for the American Government and it's policies abroad.

I think the picture of how the US provides foreign aid reflects some of why these feelings exist.
 
2005-01-01 03:45:05 PM  
And yet, there are news outlets today that are still saying $350 million from the U.S. isn't enough. Bearing in mind, of course, that the $350m figure does not include private contributions from within the U.S.

I think free press is one of the greatest things about our country (even if they don't exercise it as much as they should), but this is seriously ridiculous.
 
2005-01-01 04:12:46 PM  
I have no desire to read this ungainly thread. I just want you (yes, YOU) to donate to AmeriCares, or Mercy Corps, or Docs Without Borders, or Oxfam, or the Red Cross, or one of the other worthy charities who are trying to do something constructive. Like you should be.

If you already did, then thanks.
 
2005-01-01 05:16:27 PM  
evilgreg: And yet, there are news outlets today that are still saying $350 million from the U.S. isn't enough.

I haven't seen any of those articles. I've seen a lot of articles that point out, correctly, that compared to other rich nations, the United States promises very little for relief in general, often ties that aid to onerous restrictions, and shamefully often delivers much less than promised. But, that's not the same thing.
 
2005-01-01 05:18:40 PM  
2004-12-31 03:45:17 PM AchtungAl

$350 million is still a far cry from the amount that has been spent on the needless war in Iraq.


you are an idiot sir.
 
2005-01-01 05:35:13 PM  
NavyBlues

So a man is wearing a t-shirt with OBL on it. Do you really think that whether or not the US offers assistance to a country should be predicated on our approval of the clothing choices of all that country's citizens? If so...wow. Just wow.
 
2005-01-01 05:39:53 PM  
evilgreg

And yet, there are news outlets today that are still saying $350 million from the U.S. isn't enough.

I haven't heard those reports. Did they mean that it wasn't enough to repair all the damage or provide all the necessary assistance? If so, it's a simple fact. If instead they meant that the $350M is not enough to satisfy the responsibility of the US and its citizens, then it's irrelevant because we've already contributed substantially more in private donations. So the statement is either a trivial fact or an irrelevancy, and thus not worth spending much time thinking about.
 
2005-01-01 06:06:36 PM  
The United States is falling. The economy will collapse in the next ten to twenty years. It will cease to be a superpower within 50 years.

Many of you will make judgements about my patriotism or lack thereof. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't want the US to fall. I'd prevent it if I could but I'm just an average farker with no means to change the course of history. I just have the curse of being objective enough to read the writing on the wall. It's plain to see for anyone who can be objective.
 
2005-01-01 06:32:43 PM  
I love how this country will just whip out a checkbook at a moments notice, and blow millions, even billions on natural disasters. Wake up folks, we have 7 TRILLION in national debt, a failing economy, a 3rd-world education system, and 4(four) hurricanes that raped the southeast coast. Can we please get some money here, before we worry about southeast Asia?
 
2005-01-01 06:51:40 PM  
VideoVader

this is my response to your comment from an earlier thread, where you took a shot at me hours after i responded to you in timely fashion (as is your wont)

if it took people complaining to get the us to up the figure, then you should thank me, rather than try to snipe at me. everyone who aids the relief effort is worthy of praise, imo. i am deeply ashamed of some parts of the relief effort where i belive the uk appears to be limiting its contribution, and am trying to do something about that

proud americans would take pride from their country trying to assist an international crisis. people who are proud of their country would expect their country to stand up and be counted in an event such as this. if their country refused to do so, they would hold their government accountable. that's a typical reason why i don't think that you are a proud american.

the honest would understand that their administration was waging a war running at very, very nearly $200 million a day (and had been for two years), and that they were beeing told that that war was justified on humaintarian grounds (as you so often espouse). as such they would see the previous (or damn near any) contribution as small.

they would also have looked at past disasters under bush: they would have looked at, for example, the $3billion bush allowed for florida and contrasted it with the lowly $100 million gifted to other countries by his administration for the same disaster. they would already be wondering how concerned their government was with the humanitarian needs of other countries, despite the hugely costly war, and its apparent humanitarian benefit (talk to an iraqi about it though - and ask them whether they believe the us figure of 10,000 dead iraqis, or any of the other propaganda you swallow hook, line and siker, while you are there)

but what of the pragmatists? not only the proud and the honest would call for a massive us contribution: the pragmatists would too. 350 million is damn cheap for the positive pr the us gets out of it (and many would say that the us needs at the moment (by many, i mean anyone actaually aquainted with the facts of the dramatic worsening of global perception of the us under bush)). so i don't think you're a pragmatist either.

but i don't know if you are proud, or honest, or a pragmatist: i can only go on what you write. and lately, the only thing that your posts seem to reflect is a person who spends far too long reading right-wing blogs without seeking to question their content at all: a person who is neither proud, nor honest, nor a pragmatist.

but i am proud of the contribution that the usa has made on behalf of the us people, and i hope you personally, and all of america, has a fantastic 2005 (but stay away from the rightie blogs: they are lacking and it makes you an easy target) :)
 
2005-01-01 06:56:26 PM  
So what?

Japan spends 500 Mio. US$...
 
2005-01-01 07:03:31 PM  
$350 million for tsunami victims

/Eat it France
 
2005-01-01 10:00:53 PM  
$500 million for tsunami victims (Japan)

/Eat it USA
 
2005-01-01 11:57:16 PM  
Wow, so $350 million for tsunami aid, with over 120,000 dead now. And $350 BILLION for Iraq. Fantastic. I hate this administration.
 
2005-01-02 12:14:03 AM  
DasWiggy: i'd like to stoop to your level by saying "nanny nanny boo boo your tax money is being used to rebuild afghanistan and help indonesia and there's not a damn thing you can do about it." just think, your precious republican elected officials are taking money from you and giving it to some of them damn brown-skinned indonesians. wow, what're you going to do about that? Oh, that's right, piss and moan like an impotent fatty.

p.s. i like the way you tried to use freudian theory (discredited by every single psychologist), how much do you want to f_ck your mom? Cause i already f_cked her twice and it's really not worth it.
 
2005-01-02 10:29:02 PM  
^
STFU
 
2005-01-05 03:50:04 PM  
geosprint: How much is Bushies inagaural party??

2004-12-31 03:49:05 PM Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin
less than clinton's was.

I don't think so...
 
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