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2004-12-31 07:35:01 PM
DasWiggy:

Indonesia, one of the hardest hit countries, has the largest muslim population of any nation on the planet. Al Queda has historically been quite active there.

When did the US declare war on the Muslim faith? Are you generalizing that all Muslims hate the US? Al Queada recruit in a number of nations including the US and UK. I don't understand why your point means we should deny support to the people of Indonesia?
 
2004-12-31 07:38:03 PM
Helping people when they need it is good. Helping people more when they really need it is better. I'm a simple man really.
 
2004-12-31 07:38:47 PM
Some Americans seem to really despise/hate the U.N. That is ironic because the U.S.A. has been the primary funder, policy maker, and host of the UN since it's inception. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

And still some show their basic lack of human decency or (I'm hoping) boundless ignorance by crying about how they're being victimized because their country is offering aid to victims of this horrible event.

To everyone else who does not share the morally superior outrage at being asked to help, Happy New Year and keep the faith.
 
2004-12-31 07:39:50 PM
Chameleon, haven't you got a Mexican to oppress or something?

Happy new year, even to the trolls
 
2004-12-31 07:41:22 PM
hey skitz-

do you know why it is that right-wing christians in particular think the UN is the inception of satan? does it feed into their delusional system or something?
 
2004-12-31 07:42:08 PM
Stiff upper lip, my response was to somebody who said upthread that the only real muslim population affected was in Bangladesh.

Has Indonesia been participating with the US in the War on Terror and other matters? If so, there's an existing relationship of "playing ball" with each other. If not, I have to wonder why my tax dollars would go there.
 
2004-12-31 07:44:34 PM
Stiff upper lip-
Sally struthers is the lass that played Archie's daughter on "All in the Family" - she now does save the children in impoverished countries bit on TV hear. Anyway, i don't dispute trying to help brother man kind. If you read all of my previous posts (4 of them), my point is not that they are all extremists, i know they are not. But...if you want our help act like you like us. There is shiat going on these countries that the "nice ones" totally ignore. Where are all the protests by "Muslims for America"? You say that they are not all like the extremeists but, there sympathies are with them not us. As english breathren, we tend to think that if we act like the good nieghbor time and time again...they will come around. Its wrong, they think differntly than we do. Funny how sci-fi gets alot correct throughout the years. WE will become the technological superior giant and they will be the rebellion for the rest of time. It is the likeness of the Terminator movie.
 
2004-12-31 07:45:20 PM
Lafcadio

It is all a part of rapture theory/theology. These folks are end of the worlders who believe the UN is going to be a one world government and that anytime something bad happens it means the messiah is about to come and take the good people to heaven.

It is a distortion of scripture and Jesus's message.

For people who profess faith they sure to be devoid of it(faith).
 
2004-12-31 07:46:53 PM
Skitz:

Some Americans seem to really despise/hate the U.N.

its the u.n. that hates the u.s.

when some small dictatorship or repressive third world nation is given the opportunity to knock the united states (one country, one vote) they squeal with glee at the opportunity to register a vote that goes against the principles of freedom or democracy (remember that the u.n. has no preference whether a member nation is fascist, totalitarian or democratic).

the u.n. (by and large) enjoys attacking the u.s. because, given the opportunity, we would promote principles of democracy and freedom around the world. many in the u.n. are against those principles.

we don't hate the u.n. as much as the u.n. hates democracy.
 
2004-12-31 07:47:03 PM
nerfball:

if youu did spend time i france and did not detect a noticable dislike of anything american on the part of the french you, my friend, have a powerful ability to ignore the obvious.

No, the subject simply never came up. I know for a certain subset of American citizens, there is a type of 'victim mentality' that is paranoid about how they are interpretted by countries like France and Germany but to be honest, most people in France/Germany/UK that I know have a fair few American friends. In fact I recall a very drunken evening spent in the company of a group of Frenchmen on Bastille day where they proceeded to lecture me on the greatness of the US and French democracies and the crapness of the British democracy.

should i also assume you didn't find them arrogant in the least?

You can assume whatever fulfils your needs but the simple truth is that most people, irrispective of nationality are able to look past the flag and see the person. If you're asking me if the French are arrogant then I'd say in some thigns they definitely are (never eat in Paris unless you enjoy being goaded to the point of punching a waiter) but then again, so are the US in some things, and the UK in some things.

You just have to look past the stereotype and see the people.
 
2004-12-31 07:47:32 PM
Oh Good. Now we have even more pig-ignorant, totally uninformed arseholes jumping on the bandwagon. All you Muslim-hating Americans can go fark yourselves. Muslims are NOT all extremists, any more than all Xtians are like Tim McVeigh. You really need to get out of your mother's basements and see some of the world and its inhabitants, and stop talking out of your pimply arses. Farking ignorant morons.
 
2004-12-31 07:47:54 PM
little miss: Where in our budget is that money coming from? I can't find any information.

You'll find that information here:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
 
2004-12-31 07:47:56 PM
FloydA
BeerNut

How much are our neighbors to the north giving? 33 million USD.
Canada has about 1/10 the population of the US.


Thanks for that. My entire country has a comparible population to the state\republic of California, so in comparison it was a significant contribution, especially as it was well over what was initially offered by the US to begin with. In comparison to $350 million its nothing (props to the US for that one guys). It looks like this move was a good one, it seems to be a preportionate ratio to our populations with regards to Canada's first offer.
 
2004-12-31 07:48:04 PM
Some Americans that hate the UN do so because it is a sponge for U.S. money and does nothing for anyone!
 
2004-12-31 07:49:30 PM
nerfball

Wait a minute....these people hate democracy AND freedom?

So when they "register a vote that goes against the principles of freedom or democracy" the irony must drip from the UN rafters.
 
2004-12-31 07:51:13 PM
Please watch yourself with the name calling.
 
2004-12-31 07:51:53 PM
It's not like the gov is writing a check. We've been planning on give zillions since day one, but people whined about 15million as a start. I think GWB said "scewit, in the long run how much are we going to spend on this disaster?" The answer, 350million.
 
2004-12-31 07:52:12 PM
nerfball is playing devil's advocate. he cannot possibly be as idiotic as he sounds. can he?
 
2004-12-31 07:52:46 PM
Also when was the last time any other State(state being the proper name for an organized government) came to the "aid" of the U.S. for such reasons as the Hurricanes(er spelling) this last year or the floods of 1993??
 
2004-12-31 07:53:46 PM
Rock on, USA, rock on.
 
2004-12-31 07:55:18 PM
DasWiggy:

Has Indonesia been participating with the US in the War on Terror and other matters? If so, there's an existing relationship of "playing ball" with each other. If not, I have to wonder why my tax dollars would go there.

In a 'playing ball' realtionship if both sides waited for the other to kick off, the game would never start.

I'm also a bit worried by your implication that only those countries willing to join the War on Terror are elegible for disaster relief. Take a 'for instance': The US and the UK have what both sides term a 'special relationship'. We look out for each other in numerous ways - you mediated between our gvmt and the IRA recently and we mediated between your gvmt and Libya recently are two examples. If we weren't part of teh War on Terror would you exclude us from disaster relief if somethign equally bad happened to us?
 
2004-12-31 07:55:47 PM
Sindrone-

Help people who need help. Don't help people who can help themselves. Our government has given exponentially more to its own hurrican victims than to foriegners.
 
2004-12-31 07:57:18 PM
nerfball
its the u.n. that hates the u.s.

You seem to be a really well-balanced individual. You have a chip on both shoulders.

The alternative is that you are nearly as xenophobic as DasWiggy - and that's not something to be proud of.
 
2004-12-31 07:58:32 PM
stiff_upper_lip: "I'm also a bit worried by your implication that only those countries willing to join the War on Terror are elegible for disaster relief."

When was the last event that the U.S. denied anyone for relief? for any reason
 
2004-12-31 07:58:44 PM
Here's your warning, prowler8- next time your out. Do not threaten any other people.
 
2004-12-31 07:59:14 PM
So where were people getting the bbc list of aid given by each country in the "115,000" thread? I've looked all over the bbc's site and cant find it.
 
2004-12-31 08:00:01 PM
Skitz:

So when they "register a vote that goes against the principles of freedom or democracy" the irony must drip from the UN rafters.

how so? iran, syria, lybia, china, cuba all have political goals that are diametrically opposite from those of liberty and freedom, yet they have exactly the same vote in the general assembly as we do. none of those countries care in the least for democracy or liberty.

where is the irony? the u.n. doesn't give a crap about either liberty or democracy.
 
2004-12-31 08:01:29 PM
Lafcadio: "Our government has given exponentially more to its own hurrican victims than to foriegners." you are freaking high man $350million has that ever been spent toward disaster felief in the U.S.
 
2004-12-31 08:02:56 PM
Sindrone:

Also when was the last time any other State(state being the proper name for an organized government) came to the "aid" of the U.S. for such reasons as the Hurricanes(er spelling) this last year or the floods of 1993??

I don't think the humanitarian aspect was there. Yes there was property damage but we're talking about the total decimation of entire regions and their populations.

Would US citizens realy want the help of other countries in such matters?
 
2004-12-31 08:02:57 PM
Don't post in this thread again.
 
2004-12-31 08:03:08 PM
nerfball

Yeah but they're voting against democracy. Get it?

Someone please explain this to nerfball for me. Anyone? Please...
 
2004-12-31 08:05:05 PM
Sindrone: When was the last event that the U.S. denied anyone for relief? for any reason

When did I claim they did? I said I was worried by DasWiggy's implication not the US' actions.
 
2004-12-31 08:06:16 PM
Stiff upper lip, the US and Britain have a long history of helping each other out, or at least siding with each other. We're on very good terms with each other at the governmental level. It's not a situation where we've helped Britain out and they've since told us to go fark ourselves, so if Britain had a disaster, or needed our assistance, we'd certainly pony up.

Now there are countries that the US HAS helped out in the past, and they've since made it quite obvious that not only do they not want our help or friendship, but they are actively working AGAINST US interests, even when it's not a matter of vital national interest to them. To those countries, the US should simply tell them to go fark themselves.
 
2004-12-31 08:09:48 PM
DasWiggy:

Now there are countries that the US HAS helped out in the past, and they've since made it quite obvious that not only do they not want our help or friendship, but they are actively working AGAINST US interests, even when it's not a matter of vital national interest to them. To those countries, the US should simply tell them to go fark themselves.

And one of these countries is Indonesia?
 
2004-12-31 08:09:50 PM
Anybody remember the weirdness in the Indian Ocean nine years ago?

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_586092.html?menu=news.latestheadlines.wor ldnews

Anybody remember the big 8.9 they had in Antarctica two weeks ago?

I don't think the quark strangelets have come back, but maybe the damage they've done is just now being felt?
 
2004-12-31 08:09:51 PM
Small reminder- insults and threats of physical violence is not debating. We will not tolerate it, regardless of what your stance is. Please think before posting.
 
2004-12-31 08:10:44 PM
Eeek: Don't post in this thread again.

You need to point out who you are talking to
 
2004-12-31 08:12:25 PM
I believe he's referring to our friend contemplating international travel....
 
2004-12-31 08:12:31 PM
Skitz:

Yeah but they're voting against democracy. Get it?

i didn't say they were voting against democracy. i said they were voting in a way to frustrate the goals of the unnited states. the u.n. has HUGE issues with the united states (or at least with the current administration)

the powers that be at the u.n. do what they can to cause problems for the u.s. el baradei tried to influence the election in favor of kerry, the asshat just this week hadn't even let the waters recede before he pronounced the u.s. stingy (which of course al-jezeera trumpeted to the arab peoples, thank you). of course, while the u.n. was denouncing the u.s., the secretary general was 'not to be disturbed' as he was enjoying his luxury ski vacation at jackson hole.
 
2004-12-31 08:12:56 PM
Doddilus
So where were people getting the bbc list of aid given by each country in the "115,000" thread? I've looked all over the bbc's site and cant find it.

Funnily enough, some of us in Britain get our television and radio coverage through the BBC - it may have been from there.

Sindrone

I suggest that you look up the word 'exponentially'. How many hurricane victims were there? About 10? (that's not to belittle the feelings of those who mourn). How many have died in the Indian Ocean? 120,000? 400,000? Anyone's guess?

I'm not high but very drunk - and I seem to understand far more of Lafcadio's quote than you ever will.

/Never mind. Happy New Year
 
2004-12-31 08:13:26 PM
Yep, sorry about that. It wasn't you guys.
 
2004-12-31 08:14:45 PM
Stiff, I don't know what level of cooperation the US and Indonesia have maintained in the past. If there is cooperation, I'm sure a lot of it is classified. I am merely suggesting that past history should be a consideration before we go giving away hundreds of millions of tax dollars with no strings attached. For example: We should carefully consider aid programs to countries like Cuba, Iran, and North Korea. That's just basic financial prudence.
 
2004-12-31 08:14:53 PM
d00fy

Canadians have every right to be proud of their generosity, as do USAmericans, as do the citizens of every nation that has contributed, as do all the individuals that have contributed. I don't buy into the whole "my nation gave more than your nation" penis-waving nonsense. It's irrelevant. People need our help, and everyone who can should chip in, and everyone who has can feel proud of themselves, no matter how much or how little they were able to spare.

Now, since you're Canadian, please do something to make hockey come back! ;-)

/'Nucks fan.
 
2004-12-31 08:15:20 PM
would you want someone to disturb you whilst you were skiing? LOL
 
2004-12-31 08:18:13 PM
nerfball:

he asshat just this week hadn't even let the waters recede before he pronounced the u.s. stingy

Can you give me a link to where he referred to the US as stingy? This is simply not true. What he actually said was:

"It is beyond me why we are so stingy. Really. Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least, how rich we have become"

Why do you feel that this was a dig solely at the US?
 
2004-12-31 08:22:28 PM
The real idiocy of Americans is found right here on this thread: individuals using every possible opportunity to feed their own political/moral self-righteousness.

I've come to the conclusion that if the people on posting on this thread are a representation of humanity, then bring on the giant asteroid.

/sickened
 
2004-12-31 08:22:40 PM
DasWiggy, xenophobic means 'fear of foreigners' - in your case, a bit like saying 'American' or 'burger muncher' or 'fat'.

/If I get banninated for calling a xenophobe a xenophobe, I shall be very proud.
 
2004-12-31 08:24:38 PM
Luckyeddie, you forgot to throw in "heavily armed" in your description... ;)
 
2004-12-31 08:25:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if after all is said and done it's a billion dollars taking into account private and corporate donations.
 
2004-12-31 08:25:59 PM
I strongly suggest you drop it. Feel free to move on to another thread.
 
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