Um....Yeah.

Lousy Bum:
wuapinmon: You bought the car without test driving it?

He figured he'd spent enough time with the simulator.

GodsRightHandGimp Though "memorise" is just as legit a spelling as "memorize," I can still hook you up with some prime, tender, virgins.

Granted, they're thirteen year old Guatemalan boys....

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

nope, pretty funny. and it reminds me that i haven't checked PLIF in a long time.

GodsRightHandGimp: I think you're not understanding what I"m saying. I am not looking down on anyone. I marvel at my wife. I don't know what "us sinners" have because I only know what I have. I know that my religion teaches me that the way I have chosen is the one that will lead to the greatest spiritual blessings. I fully believe in John chapter 8, that he who is without sin can throw the first stone. I'm not making fun of or disparaging anyone. I do believe that the choices we make have consequences, and sometimes those consequences are not apparent until much much later, but I make no claim to knowing each individual's situation, nor do I sit in any sort of judgement over another. I do see the wisdom in monogamy, but I know that selfishness makes monogamy very painful for many people. I'm done for the night. I didn't mean to throw rocks at people. I was just saying that I'm glad I married a virgin and that I have nothing to compare her against.

Wuapinmon

So what you saying is. That we all go to Hell, while you enjoy heaven without us. I understand now.

Too bad they stopped producing new strips two years ago or so. Or panels, if you were. I used to look forward to every sunday...

2004-12-31 02:57:34 AM wuapinmon

http://www.philosophynow.org/archive/articles/21madigan.htm

We all have Google, cut-and-paste monkey.

Kant's assertion depends upon the assumption of free will, and I'm afraid that this is not a safe assumption within the universe of the popular Xtian God. Mainstream Xianity insists that God is prescient and omniscient. This denies the possibility of free will in His universe (or any universe in which He exists, even if He is otherwise powerless).

And google for that. See how far you get.

Gilliam317:
but am I the only one who thinks that Ashlee is hotter then Jessica.

yes. yes you are.
[cough]freak[/cough]

Sexuality, therefore, exposes mankind to the danger of equality with the beasts.

So thats where fark like a beast comes from. I assume you dont hit it doggystyle, that would be immoral and beast like.

wuapinmon: I do believe that the choices we make have consequences, and sometimes those consequences are not apparent until much much later

2004: Read Fark
2029: Asteroid wipes out human race.

i dated the first girl i laid for nearly three years, but i certainly wouldnt want to marry the first girl i banged. i mean, i wouldnt decide my favorite flavor of ice cream was chocolate without trying pistachio.

wuapinmon, thank you for the comments you have made so far. It's a shame to the human race that some people cannot realize a good thing, and instead of examining themselves continue to experience pain because they make the same mistakes over and over. I will admit that some of my wisdom comes from walking too close to the edge. I am thankful to hear of both your experience and Jessica Simpson's.

I was merely trying to quickly articulate a point. I don't need to google to respond to you. I see a split in predestination vs. foreordination. And as far as Kant's stance depending on free will, even he would have conceded that free will would be illusory in a Christian setting. However, I was talking of the Enlightenment and reason to make my point, trying to use what Nietzche might call an Extra Moral Sense only in this case I would speaking of sex and lust in an extra-moral sense. Kant would speak of an autonomous morality as being ideal, yet impossible to live, while the heteronomous morality that is imposed on someone from birth is the easiest code of conduct to follow. The autonomous morality would require the individual to use reason to govern his actions, yet at the same time, never allowing his actions to come at the expense of another. That was not googled, I could've typed out what I cut and pasted, but I didn't want to take a bunch of time to respond, like I've done here. piss and vinegar.

eddy / wuapinmon

Guys, you are reading Fark, for farks sake, and commenting in a Jessica Simpson thread.

I think you're not understanding what I"m saying. I am not looking down on anyone.

just a tad bit earlier

Vulgarity is a crutch for the inarticulate, and I think it's wonderful that she has the fortitude to not lower herself to everyone else's level.

Key words "lower herself to everyone elses level". You do look down on people without faith. Your words prove it.

I fully believe in John chapter 8, that he who is without sin can throw the first stone.

Interesting story behind that one. The Son of Man was actually requesting that He get the first whack at yon harlot, as He actually WAS the one among them who had no sin. The crowd, of course, took it differently and Jesus was kind of backed into a peacenik corner.

Mt.10:34 bears a closer resemblance to the Jesus I knew. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Wow. Quite some interesting posts from the lot of you here. I'm trying to figure out why the majority's logic states that marrying a virgin = BIG EVIL NO NO, and in terms of extending it to religion, why it also equates to that of "OMG UR BEING HOLIER-THAN-THOU!!!"

I'm thinking and thinking and thinking, but the brain cells keep burning away.

At least let me give you all any sort of motivation in terms of virgins: marry a virgin, and the chances of him/her transmitting any sort of STDs to you will have decreased dramatically. I'd say remaining virgin is quite worth it.

I mean, really, what's so incredibly evil about it...?

Everyone else would include myself. I realize that she is better than me. I cannot presently refrain from swearing. I don't have whatever it takes to stop. I can look down on myself and everyone else who swears, because it is something wrong. If we can't agree on this, then let's agree to disagree.

Out of sheer curiosity, how did a freaky, creepy story about Jessica Simpon's nutball dad turn into a retarded conversation flame war about premarital sex, religion, and sin?

wuapinmon
No offense, but Kant's reasoning is unsound. I have a friend I play tennis with. we meet once a week, have a game and then go to our respective homes. I never think about him outside the context of tennis and neither does he think about me. We're both fine with that. According to Kant, We're both treating each other as means to an end - namely a good game of tennis - and thus are evil sinners. Do you see the problem in Kant's reasoning now?

I occasionally have relations of a sexual nature with women with whom I don't desire a relationship (although not as often as I'd like) and I don't look down on them. I view them the same way they view me: as a partner for a pleasurable experience. It doesn't cheapen or degrade either of us any more than a game of tennis would. If I were in a relationship, I wouldn't cheat on my girl, not for any moral reason, but simply as a demonstration of how much I cared for her. If she wasn't a virgin I sure as hell wouldn't consider her "damaged goods" as I get the feeling you would.

Now I ask you: out of the two of us, who is unhealthily concerned with sex?

Satan,

Check the grammar of your interpretation. He said "among you" not "among us". And the Law of Moses was fulfilled in Jesus, so the rules changed.

"Even when you make a mistake, you are someone special. And I am going to be that person until the day you find a man to do that in my place."

Ummm... ew? I mean, he's a former Southern Baptist minister, so this doesn't surprise me, but still.

Well, if you are describing him accurately, Kant was wrong (at least in my estimation.)
Many things.
For one, a sexual urge is not neccessarily the desire to possess another person. At least, not for me.
Another wrong is the attempt to elevate humanity above beasts. We are a smart animal. Any attempt to portray us as having some intangible quality that makes us better than animals is ill-placed.

Also, the whole free will idea is pretty iffy. We can all agree that a sigular action has somewhat of a probability cone that expands outward with its major axis being time and its point at an event. The widening depicts an increasing number of things that could potentially result as a result. As time increases, certainty of result decreases. With pretty well infinite knowledge and computational power, I've seen little reason to believe that the cone couldn't become pretty much a line. That is to say, I have never seen it proved that there can be an effect without a cause, so I tend to believe the universe to be deterministic and in turn free will to be bunk.

Of course, I'm mildly drunk, so what the hell do I know.
Also, I'm sorry for the spelling/grammar.

theBigBigEye
At least let me give you all any sort of motivation in terms of virgins: marry a virgin, and the chances of him/her transmitting any sort of STDs to you will have decreased dramatically.

There are these things called blood tests. Amazing huh. Your guys preception that every non-virgin is a diseased ho bag is far, far from the truth.

I'd say remaining virgin is quite worth it.

I agree with you but the fact remains that most people will not be virgins on marrige day.

I mean, really, what's so incredibly evil about it...?

Whats so evil about non-virgins?

"What better gift to give her husband? Never touched by another man." Please.

Elsewhere he is quoted remarking how physically attractive his daughters are, with almost surreal emphasis on Jessica's big rack, including cup-size, cup-shape, and other details I am surprised a father would memorize.

It indicates to me that he placed an unhealthy emphasis on their sexuality during their upbringing.

There are many roles a person plays. The sexual role is important. Sex is one of life's great pleasures. Physical relationships are fundamentally important. But I think a father should hope to draw his daughter's focus toward greater things.

Breathing and eating are important, but one might hope to achieve greater.

Perhaps this is why his daughters ended up like they did. Is she an artist? Not really. She sings, but she doesn't write the lyrics, and she doesn't write the music. She is part of the implementation, like an instrument to be played.

Perhaps her father is to blame. He raised a performer instead of a creator. Instead of encouraging her to develop her mind, he guided her to improve her dance skills.

And BTW, there is a lot of skill involved in a good blowjob. The difference between skilled brain and unskilled brain is night and day. A friend claimed he didn't like it. He eventually upgraded his girlfriend (for unrelated reasons) and hooked up with this other girl. The new girl was not exactly hot, but she could really smoke a pole. After that, my friend was converted, and loved getting head.

The moral of the story is that bad brain can be so amazingly bad that you don't even want it. For this and other reasons, a sexually experienced girl is more fun. IMHO.

So how many points is farking a girl while she shows you the promise ring she's wearing?

Oh, and to be a little more on topic:
Nothing wrong with marrying a virgin. However, I personally would prefer a non-virgin, as I don't see virginity as some big tangible issue. I'd prefer a woman who knows what she likes and doesn't, and who is comfortable with sexuality, as sexuality is an important element of a relationship for me.

Being the ass that I am, if a girl told me, "I don't want to be physically intimate until we are married. It just complicates things. If you are horny, whack off." I would be tempted to respond "I don't want to be emotionally intimate until we are married. It just makes things much harder, makes pain more likely. If you want to share and talk about feelings, write in your journal." From where I sit, these statements, though not equivalent, are not too different.

Umm, everyone says NO PREMARITAL SEX in church but the church congregation is full of people who: had a childout of wedlock, screws everyone in the congregation, people who don't follow what they believe.

At least in my church we all recognize the fact that we all make mistakes and we don't dwell on it. GET ON WITH LIFE IT'S NOT THE END OF THE FARKING WORLD, unless your the parents of the anti-christ. In that case you're farking farked.

GodsRightHandGimp

There are these things called blood tests. Amazing huh. Your guys preception that every non-virgin is a diseased ho bag is far, far from the truth.

I'm not declaring all non-virgins as being "diseased ho bags" or anything. I don't know how you managed to rationalize such an interpretation, but the point I'm making is that you won't have much, and maybe nothing at all, to worry about in terms of any STDs whatsoever if you were to marry a virgin. On the flip side however, by going with someone who isn't pristine, you'll have to worry at all, and if little worry at all, about any chances of contracting STDs. The word, "worry," is the key word here, as I'm not stating everyone who isn't a virgin to be diseased or anything.

Whats so evil about non-virgins?

Woah, there there now. What I'm asking is why so many people have some sort of negative stance on virginity.

I'm glad the forums were down. It helped end the ludicriousness of this thread. (Is that even a word?)

Hexen,
You are exactly right. I "upgraded" (damn that sounds so wrong) to a wonderful girl I love. She is so sexy and she is outright farking smart. She graduated valedictorian and has plans for the future she is deadset on. Now she has a 4.0 GPA in college and she is an amazing girl.

Now with all that, she is the most physical lover I have ever had relations with. That means she is farking good at farking. I'd give you the details but I don't want any kittens killed over my girl.

2004-12-31 03:21:09 AM wuapinmon


Satan,

Check the grammar of your interpretation. He said "among you" not "among us". And the Law of Moses was fulfilled in Jesus, so the rules changed.

He said neither, as Jesus chose not to speak in English. "Among you" is exactly the conclusion to which the crowd jumped, so of course that is what was eventually translated into the Bible.

I had the advantage of having been present.

Ok, so Jessica and her dad are getting it on. Why does that freak out Christians so much but war in Iraq is allright.

wuapinmon
I don't understand how now cursing makes anyone better than anyone else. English is another language, and was developed by human beings. All of the "swears" in our language were created by people, and the reason they are considered vulgar and taboo is because, for some reason, our society views them negatively. They are, however, just words. Their meanings are as simple as "poopoo" or "sexual intercourse," two very natural, important parts of life. Except they usually sound sharp, quick, and are phonetically great words to say when angry. I don't think divine judgement comes into play in this. Nor does "good" or "evil." And it sounds condescending because you are placing your mundane, arbitrary judgement on something so simple and harmless as words. Judge not, lest ye be judged, and all.

Before this whiskey kicks in a little too much, wuapinmon, I'll just throw my hat into the "curse words are very necessary/defensible" corner. Refer to the "shiat" episode of South Park; it handled the topic very well.

Also, from Inherit The Wind, and much paraphrased: don't be afraid of curse words. Language is so poor at expressing all that we could try to express, that we should use every last bit of it.

/christ I love being an english major

dandanpoo

Hey, quit cramping my style. =)

andrew131: She graduated valedictorian and has plans for the future she is deadset on. Now she has a 4.0 GPA in college... she is farking good at farking...

I guess she studied hard in high school.

wuapinmon
I married a 22 year old virgin and she married me. My wife has never even said the "F" word. I married a really good person.


Pics??

Five dollars says she weighs over 200 lbs.

andrew131:

Now with all that, she is the most physical lover I have ever had relations with. That means she is farking good at farking. I'd give you the details but I don't want any kittens killed over my girl.

so how much did you pay for this dream girl?

/wha?

What I'm asking is why so many people have some sort of negative stance on virginity.

Who, what, where? I don't think anyone was taking a negative stance on virginity. Like I said in several posts I respect people who save themselves for marrige. BUT for the people who look at themselves like they are god's special being for remaining a virgin I have a distane for.

Can't have sex and can't masterbate because it goes against god. Teaching kids that the naked body is something to be ashamed about. This type of crap makes me sick.

marry a virgin, and the chances of him/her transmitting any sort of STDs to you will have decreased dramatically.

Thats where I got the fact you think non-virgins are disease riddin ho bags, did I misinterpet you?

GodsRightHandGimp
Can't have sex and can't masterbate because it goes against god. Teaching kids that the naked body is something to be ashamed about. This type of crap makes me sick.

Actually, there is nothing in the bible about masturbation being a sin. As for teaching kids that the naked body is something to be ashamed about is wrong, I prefer to teach my children modesty. That doesnt mean shame, but it discourages all the "prostitot"/"exhibitionist" bull you see on the television and in the neighborhoods around where I live.

isbat1
joe simpson: incestuous madman
Latest title from EA Games?

I just howled with laughter and had to explain this to my girlfriend. Another beautiful Fark-moment.

I am a Christian, but I have many problems with several churches and religious "leaders". I'd prefer to call them organizers since they really aren't leading anything at all. They are organizing people to support a "leader" who is their God. Therefore, calling themselves leaders would inherently make them calling themselves Gods.

I don't believe in strict interpretation of the Bible. Why? Because the English version is a 4th translation from the original translation of the Bible. The first Bible was composed 500 years after Jesus walked upon the earth. I know this maybe a shock but stories somehow get farked up after being told for 500 years. However, I believe in the message that the Bible is conveying. That the Lord is the Creator and Jesus is the Messiah. You don't have to agree with me, I don't really care what you believe in. Nor should you care about my beliefs. I believe everyone was given a brain, which in turn allows us freewill and choice. Humans can choose, what a concept!

I believe God is more of a clock maker who from time to time intervenes to set the clock back on correct time. I don't believe he choses who lives and doesn't. I believe he is the only judge. I have a serious problem with people who judge others and essentially damn them. Under what authority do they have the power to do that? In my beliefs, absolutely farking nothing.

That leads me to evangelicals that claim they can heal people through the power of the Holy Spirit. It is my understanding that only God himself (Jesus Christ) has this power. So are these evangelical preachers proclaiming themselves as the risen Christ? In my opinion they are. I try to stay away from these gatherings. I've been in a few to watch over young teens. At these gatherings they separate the children from the parents and insist that they must give their information or God might forget them. That is insulting to me. Do these evangelical leaders claim to have a special connection to God that everyone else doesn't? What makes this leader so special? Possibly his dangerous attempt to control people, niave children at that!

My basic point is that the English Bible has been translated so many times why would you not educate yourself to learn other languages and get a worldly view of the Bible and other religious writings. Therefore, the reader can read the text in its original language that it was intended.

Language is a powerful thing.

Personally, I have what could even be considered a virginity fetish. However, this really farking creepy. This guy is really off. I'm not sure there was physicaly abuse, in that family, but I think this either qualifies as or hints at severe psychological abuse.