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2004-12-30 03:02:49 PM  
2004-12-30 08:40:32 AM thesimpson


the magnitude of this tragedy is unfathomable.


ha ha. i get it... fathom... good one

*rimshot*
 
2004-12-30 03:03:11 PM  
2004-12-30 02:59:33 PM Calvin Hobbes

You a Christian, son?


Proudly- I am not. Not a mystic, -why, do I seem like one?
 
Ike [TotalFark]
2004-12-30 03:03:20 PM  
I'm well aware from having read the posts that this is a useless gesture, but I feel a real need to introduce some logic into this nutbar thread, which has gone off in so many weird hardline offtopic tangential pissing contests that it no longer even approximates anything but a mockery of itself.

Why is it that we mourn the dead and suffering from events such as this and turn a blind eye to the death and suffering of everyone else in the world? People die every minute of every day, and very damn few of them want to, and none can prevent it. Worse still, the economic situations of hundreds of millions of people, who are alive, are bypassed largely, due to the immediacy of catastrophe. It's false, in my opinion. If you give and cry for these people because their lives are ruined and taken, why do you not give and cry for the people in your own city whose lives are every bit as ruined and whose families are just as dead?

It's because of perspective, and to quote Georges Braque, "Perspective is ghastly mistake which it has taken four centuries to redress." Now Braque was speaking of art in that quote, but his message rings just as true for the way in which people tend to view intensely affective emotional situations. In reality, we're not connected to the victims, if we hadn't been told about it our lives would probably never change for it. But the victims are humans like ourselves, fragile and pathetic, mothers and fathers, helpless victims of time. So we empathize, and given the massive scale of destruction and loss of life, we begin to think and act irrationally. This is well-documented, most specifically in the studies conducted of Hiroshima survivors and widely available as a base of research into these sorts of events. Not that irrational=illogical or unwarranted, mind you, but the conclusions we tend to jump to become ever more seperate from the reality; this is a defense mechanism and in my opinion a human behavioural characteristic. But brass tacks, brass tacks.

Please, people, your charity is commendable in spirit, not in nature. Never give of yourself because you feel pressure to, or because you automatically think it's the right thing to do, but your gut hesitates. Remember also that the terrible loss of life and incomprehensible suffering you see in the Maldives is just a microcosm of the suffering and death that will some day take every one of us. There is no such thing as a 'natural' death, don't fool yourself. Whether you go in your sleep or are obliterated by water, the result is the same: no tomorrow.

If there's another lesson to be learned from viewing the responses, it's that most of you aren't taking advantage of your own lives, and I can imagine no greater tragedy. Figure out what you need to make happen in order for you to live your life to its absolute potential, and do it. When we're young, we grouse about not having enough time; when we're older, and have less OF that time left in our lives, we tend to grouse about having "all the time in the world". Reverse your perspectives, people. Every day that passes is one less you have. Don't waste a second. Go kiss your wife, call your mother, play with your dog, knock out that asshole at work or school you've always wanted to, buy that dress that's too expensive and wear it out, get that tattoo you've always wanted, ask out that girl you've never been able to, find out how fast your car really CAN go, stop wearing a wristwatch, beat your meat in church, turn the volume up as loud as YOU want it, take your kid on a trip wherever he'd like to go, don't swallow but regurgitate and spit out your pride, have faith in yourself, and never, ever farking look back. Because when it's over, it's over. You're already at the dance, so do the damn thing, and with style. Because there are no second chances or second childhoods or second loves or lives or anything. Your clock is running down. And as things like this remind us, none of us knows when that timer's gonna buzz.
 
2004-12-30 03:03:41 PM  
2004-12-30 02:53:00 PM glacier26

Wow. If that doesn't bring it all home I don't know what can. Looking at those bodies... just wondering what these people were all doing/thinking in the moments before it hit. Some were servants, some were wealthy vacationers? All of them in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm just thankful it's not my job to try and ID those bodies. Damn.

I think I better double my donation if this is just a tiny sliver of what happened there...
 
2004-12-30 03:04:50 PM  
ConanTroutman

are you 12?
quit trolling and grow up.
 
2004-12-30 03:05:58 PM  
virgosnake

that picture kinda puts it into perspective.
 
2004-12-30 03:06:35 PM  
Somebody must have killed a cow over there...
 
2004-12-30 03:07:33 PM  
Ditto what Ike said.

That's kinda what I am trying to say-
I just don't have a good enough command on the language to speak with that much compassion and forethought.
 
2004-12-30 03:07:43 PM  
I wish a tsunami would come and wipe out this thread because it is just so very aggravating and sad. That being said I'm going back to /. see ya'll later.
 
2004-12-30 03:08:10 PM  
Isn't it amazing how such a horrible tragedy can bring people together? In the face of death, some hope emerges that we can put aside our differences; we realize that, at heart, we are not all that different. We all have hopes, dreams and fears and we all love our family and want the best for them. Together, we... *glances up at previous posts in the thread*

Oh.

/goes off to donate a little money

http://s1.amazon.com/paypage/PX3BEL97U9A4I/104-0393284-9694351

Hopefully I'll see some of your there.
 
2004-12-30 03:11:19 PM  
It's silly to argue about what different countries give or not. In a few monts we will know what could and should have been done. For now just hope that as many as possible will survive and help if you want to help.

There are many reasons to have a go at GWB, but seriously this isn't one of them.
 
2004-12-30 03:11:58 PM  
I am not trolling. Unless trolling means to honestly state your opinion with out watering it down to be accepted by others in the thread.

Go be a hero and double your donation now.

That's more like trolling I think, just like accusing someone of being 12. I guess if I was 8 I would take that as a compliment.
 
2004-12-30 03:13:08 PM  
Calvin Hobbes:

For about the 14th time... it's not about you. It's about 100,000+ people who have died, and 1,000,000+ people who are in danger of dying from waterborne diseases.

That's right!!! I respect that you're trying to refocus the topic, but you're fighting an uphill battle. It makes me ill at the behavior of some people here, especially when they're spreading discontent while cloaking themselves in rightiousness.

Many more people would prefer to make this a pissing contest over America, Bush, religion, stingyness, a perceived lack of respect by the UN or foreigners, and many other things. This is because many people here are incapable of thinking beyond their bigotry even when an unimaginable disaster strikes.

It's no wonder that some have such a low opinion of where mankind is going, when on a thread where we should all be helping one another to do what is best for the victims, many people treat the issue as another opportunity to hurt others.

If they think that everything revolves around their personal hatred, they have another thing coming. Call it karma, call it judgment, call it anything you wish, but behaving like an animal is going to come back and bite them on the ass.

I know that I'm saving this thread and when one of those animals complain about their tough life, their hurt feelings, their loving and generous nature, how their political party is just, or some other such tripe, I'm going to point out what a dirt bag they are using their own words.

Why can't you people stop pissing on each other for a while?
 
2004-12-30 03:13:25 PM  
Calvin Hobbes

"Smacks Forhead."

Yes you are exactly right, This has nothing to do with America. But what Ewing stated seems true from my perspective.

""In whole, the American people care more about the rest of the world, then the rest of the world does about us. This should prove that we don't do what we do just to make everyone love us.

Americans are compassionate, loving, charitable people. We ask for nothing in return, which is good because we don't get anything but hatred."""
 
2004-12-30 03:13:40 PM  
ConanTroutman: Proudly- I am not. Not a mystic, -why, do I seem like one?

Nah, I was looking for Faith, Hope and Charity hypocracy. Still, I'm an atheist and I gave. It's the right thing to do, in my opinion. A bunch of folks just got smashed like a bowl full of eggs... by an accident of birth I got born in Canada where I have been able to amass a small amount of wealth.

Looking up at the ceiling two nights ago thinking that maybe I should drag myself out of the covers and turn up the heat because I was a little chilly, it suddenly struck me how rich I would appear to someone in Africa or who had just lost everything in Indonesia... I have a roof. I have heat. I have food in the fridge. I have running water and indoor plumbing. I have a car. I have a job.

I figured it behoved me to help them. I'm not ready to fly over there and start digging, so opening the wallet a little and giving them some of my beer money seemed like the least I could do.
 
2004-12-30 03:13:54 PM  
ConanTroutman
So who is the bigger jerk? Me for not giving them my money blindly or the guy looking the poor bastards in the face and handing him a bill for the case of water he just sold them?


YOU.

You're not doing a damn thing for them but posting in this thread about how much you don't care....hmm...contrary to what one would usually do if they truly did not care. Did you get coal in your stocking this year?
 
2004-12-30 03:16:13 PM  
I always thought this picture was awesome :: God Bless the World!

[image from boogleboo.com too old to be available]
 
2004-12-30 03:18:09 PM  
First 7,000... then 22,000, then 44,000 now 115,000?

MY GOD WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
 
2004-12-30 03:18:38 PM  
Even if the US gave 100% of its GDP, you people would still be complaining, so why bother?
 
2004-12-30 03:20:07 PM  
B82
The fact that so many douchebag lefties are calling the US and Republicans stingy reaffirms why I voted for Bush.

I once suggested that the '82' part of your handle was your IQ. I must apologise.

/forgot the decimal point
 
2004-12-30 03:20:09 PM  
Calvin Hobbes

I hear what you are saying. I just have always been against giving money away as charity. I have helped out as a volunteer at foodbanks and fund raisers for other organizations. I even did time in mexico with Habitat for Humanity beleive it or not.

This tragedy is enormous. It is too far away for me to help. I don't give away money to charities. Give blood or something like that. Money = corruption.
 
2004-12-30 03:20:10 PM  
Cohesion:

Even if the US gave 100% of its GDP, you people would still be complaining, so why bother?

Sigh. Just... sigh.
 
2004-12-30 03:21:13 PM  
Too bad we spend so much money on a miliatry far larger then we need, to invade countries for oil and power. If the US military wasn't tied up in Iraq, you can bet they could be used to help. We spend far more on aircraft carriers then we will ever donate to relief aid for this disaster. Oh, and our Navy is so overbuilt that we can take on the rest of the world's naval forces combind and break even.

Hmm, perhaps our money isn't being well-spent...
 
2004-12-30 03:21:17 PM  
will you retards stfu about iraq already

.02
 
2004-12-30 03:22:00 PM  
Boddah_Buddah

Never said I didn't care...
 
2004-12-30 03:28:01 PM  
ConanTroutman:

This tragedy is enormous. It is too far away for me to help. I don't give away money to charities. Give blood or something like that. Money = corruption.

I know it can feel that way. I typically drop off the turkey they give me at work every year to a local foodbank (what the hell is a bachelor going to do with a 15 pound bird?) I do that because I know people who work in the fund raising community, and it sickens me by how some charities spend a crapload of doner money on administrative costs and advertising.

STill, I have to believe that disaster relief is different than standard foreign aid or charity collection. Hell, the US brags about it's strong spirit of giving to less advantaged countries, but then adds the cost of the weapons they send it Israel to it's "foreign aid" spending costs.

Disaster relief is a one-time cost. AmeriCares claims that independent audits show that for every $100 they get they send out $3000 in aid, primarily medicines.

It just seems right to help now. Like I said, I'm not ready to go dig wells for them, so cash was what I could do. If you don't feel the same way, well, that's fine. I wish we could just go deliver turkeys to them too, but I don't have a way to do that.
 
2004-12-30 03:31:35 PM  
bbcrackmonkey

Your picture makes me break down in tears.

Fark those who say they can't help, or don't care. FARK YOU.
 
2004-12-30 03:31:44 PM  
2004-12-30 03:00:28 PM B82

The fact that so many douchebag lefties are calling the US and Republicans stingy reaffirms why I voted for Bush.

NEWS FLASH MORANS: We aren't obligated to donate one red nickel. Its not our fault God or nature or whatever you believe in decided to push some water around. Its not like Americans expect other countries to help us when natural disasters happen here.


MORANS?!? MORANS?!?!?! MORANS?!?!?!?

asshat.
 
2004-12-30 03:32:33 PM  
This just in... The World Bank has pledged $250 Million dollars to the Tsunami victims. $250 Million folks.
 
2004-12-30 03:33:18 PM  
Doesn't it fill your heart with American pride to know that Bush is spending more on his inauguration party than he's pledged as aid for the worst tragedy on the planet in over 100 years?

Well, I guess Bush always felt partying was a little more important than some poor brown people on the other side of the planet.

It makes me sick to think of what this clown is doing to America's reputation.
 
2004-12-30 03:33:27 PM  
sheikah: Fark those who say they can't help, or don't care. FARK YOU.

You forgot the "right in your ear" part.
 
2004-12-30 03:34:46 PM  
Why can't you people stop pissing on each other for a while?

Because I drank too much and I don't make a good drinking buddy?
 
2004-12-30 03:34:53 PM  
Preach on, Brother Ike!
 
2004-12-30 03:36:24 PM  
I used to think this was the biggest natural disaster of all time, until i read this....

Little is known of the world's most lethal earthquake that struck the Chinese city of Shaanzi in 1556. No magnitudes are quoted, and of course no recordings exist, for the event which is said to have claimed the lives of 830,000 people.
 
2004-12-30 03:36:44 PM  
Great, just when we are all drinking beers and taking B'hits together, Raks has to start the whole thing over.. ]

Ditto to what sheikah said. Its about People, not religons, countries etc.

Do what you can to Help.

And if not, go to Hell, dont stop at go dont collect $200
 
2004-12-30 03:37:27 PM  
I just thought of this, and I don't know if it is something that will have an impact, but won't all the salt water make a mess of the land for future farming?
 
2004-12-30 03:38:08 PM  
raks:

Its not like Americans expect other countries to help us when natural disasters happen here.


Oh yeah?

We may not be obligated, but we sure do act like we're the only ones who have ever been through a tragedy. Quit acting like a jackass and put up. Your personal karma goes down every time you don't give a damn about an orphaned kid.
 
2004-12-30 03:38:40 PM  
The Southern Dandy

Thank you for your input!! : )

However, that is probably the 70th post that said the same thing, and each time has been followed with numerous posts rebutting it.

But thanks, again, for putting a refreshing spin on it! Again!
 
2004-12-30 03:39:03 PM  
Oh, hey... look at this...

Canada just upped their contribution to $40 Million Canadian (about $33 million US)... so... the US is in for $35 Million and Canada, with the population of California, is basically matching it.

Hmm... what's that say? Could the Stingy comments be correct?
 
2004-12-30 03:39:07 PM  
So can someone answer this? You give say $10 and some honest to goodness charity place goes and buys a few blankets and swaddles up a few cold, wet indonesians with them. That is the cycle in a simple to understand sentance.

So charity score is
You = $10
Organization = Time
Blanket Seller = (-10)
Blanket maker = (-2 blankets)
Raw materials seller = (-raw materials)
Raw materials gatherer = (- time)

In this scenario only the "You" character and the charitable organization have contributed anything. Everybody else is business as usual.
I don't understand this. Just like when our local hospital crowds our minimart counter tops with cans collecting donations for somebody's major operation. Why doesn't the hospital donate the supplies? and the doctors thier time? Charity always seems to be expected from us wage earning saps in the form of cash donations.

Not saying don't help.

/i feel like Mr. Pink in this thread
 
2004-12-30 03:39:13 PM  
Lesbian-Jesus:

CNN must be creaming their pants, they get to have a deathfest, showing rotting bodies, etc, their favorite.

For the first 10 hours after the event they dedicated about 30 seconds to a minute to it when they though 3000-7000 non white people died.


Oh god I love this:

Don't show enough coverage? Don't care all about those poor non-white people!!!!!

Show a lot of coverage? Just interested in a deathfest!!!!!

Sneeze? Trying to pollute the world with germ warfare!!!!!
 
2004-12-30 03:39:37 PM  
http://mnw.eas.slu.edu/hazards.html

I tried to make a hyper link but it wouldnt let me

I suck at the internet
 
2004-12-30 03:40:00 PM  
Why can't you people stop pissing on each other for a while?

Because I drank too much and I don't make a good drinking buddy?


Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.
 
2004-12-30 03:40:01 PM  
Badafuco: Great Post Ewink. You summed it up perfectly.

No. No he did not. He's part of the bunch that takes a tragedy overseas and somehow makes it about America.

He was merely trying to defend America against all the anti-americanists present in this thread.
 
2004-12-30 03:40:13 PM  
My post above is for the 10 most devasating natural disasters of all time
 
2004-12-30 03:40:42 PM  
drokes:

Great, just when we are all drinking beers and taking B'hits together, Raks has to start the whole thing over.. ]

Ditto to what sheikah said. Its about People, not religons, countries etc.

Do what you can to Help.

And if not, go to Hell, dont stop at go dont collect $200



*bows* I'd like a hit of that shiat. Maybe a big old one. This whole situation is indescribable. And those who don't care.. well.. your cosmic end will show where you've stood over your life.
 
2004-12-30 03:42:20 PM  
halfof33

I don't read the threads thoroughly before I post my first message. I get a gestalt, then I might read a little deeper, if the mood strikes me.
 
2004-12-30 03:43:31 PM  
How come all these a-holes couldn't have died instead of all the poor people who did?

Statistically speaking, there were probably just as many assholes among those who died as in any other random sample - natural disasters don't seek out "nice" people.

 
2004-12-30 03:44:01 PM  
raks:

sheikah
good god i was quoting someone else!

damm my html skills!

/already donated.. will donate more!



Oh jeez I'm sorry. I didn't realize at all. :/ my feathers are ruffled. I am glad that you have donated.. I would but I have less than $100 in my bank acct and no job. :(
 
2004-12-30 03:44:18 PM  
Tsunami - best post in the thread - thanks.
 
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