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2004-12-30 02:19:58 PM
Yeah! and no running around the pool too! Assbags! :)
 
2004-12-30 02:19:58 PM
As soon as the USGS calculated the quake magnitude and location, they knew there would be tsunamis. They probably knew in ten minutes.

You might think so, but you would be wrong. Earthquakes per se do not generate tsunamis. The earthquake and the tsunami are generated by the same thing -- motion of the Earth's plates against each other. If that motion is one plate scraping past another without changing the shape of the seabed much, then you would have an earthquake but not a tsunami. On the other hand, if the motion causes a lot of water displacement, it can cause both. As in this case.

Because both tectonic activity and tsunamis are relatively frequent in the Pacific, two mechanisms exist to predict tsunamis. One of these is a mechanical system of bouys and sensors. The other is a modelling system -- based on previous data of quake locations, strengths, and depths and the tsunamis which were or were not associated with them, a prediction with some quantifiable percentage chance can be made.

Tsunamis are rare in the Indian Ocean. This is one reason why a sensor system has never been set up there. That also means that there are no data to use in making predictions. There is no way the USGS (or any other country's geological survey) could have predicted a tsunami of this magnitude.
 
2004-12-30 02:21:08 PM
Hey dumbasses, the US also gives a disproportionate (1/5th of the total amount for humanitarian causes) amount to the UN that will also be providing money to this cause. Please include that in your numbers when determining how stingy the US is.
 
2004-12-30 02:22:12 PM
BojanglesPaladin
My apologies. I would also like to mention my dream ride: The one and only Aston Martin. I think even I could get laid with one of those dapper, Warwickshire assembled beauties. Wow, I'm threadjack-tastic. Let's see if I can veer back on topic. Given the opportunity to have an Aston, though, I'd rather keep my POS Saturn and donate more to S.Asia. So should everyone else.
 
2004-12-30 02:22:28 PM
ramblinwreck - We're spending MORE on the "presidential" inauguration in Jan than we are pledging to help the families of these 100,000+ that have died

Oh come on. If you really believe that the US is only going to give $35 million you are insane. We are currently sending cargo planes over with tons of supplies and that will be stepped up once more is available. The Pentagon is spending money on this so fast that it can't currently be calculated. We are gathering coalitions of governments to help set up infrastructures to care for the refugees and to help clean up the mess of sewage, bodies, and debris to try to keep disease from killing even more people. By the time this is over (probably in a few years) we will have spent billions. The US is NOT the bad guy here. We are going to do everything we can to help, privately and through the government.
 
2004-12-30 02:22:46 PM
EWINK
2004-12-30 01:39:14 PM ewink

Right on brother, good post.
 
2004-12-30 02:24:19 PM
the wise man built his house upon the rock....just my standard comment to people who build on the phloodplains....i think this event is a tragedy and pray phor those suffering all kinds of losses...but my miserable state of life right now has nothing more to offer...is nice to see so many clamouring to help...God Bless You!
 
2004-12-30 02:25:39 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/30/tsunami.US.ap/index.html

"Pledges of U.S. assistance remained at $35 million, but parallel Pentagon spending was spiraling upward and could not be calculated quickly. The relief included the arrival of four C130 cargo planes in Thailand with food, water and sheltering material and a large supply of rice and other food and assistance was due to arrive in Indonesia by New Year's Eve, a senior U.S. official said."

"Powell also alluded to the roughly $35 million in emergency aid already committed as "just a beginning.""

Don't grasp at every opportunity to be a douchebag.
 
2004-12-30 02:26:03 PM
Powell: Administration pledges long-term aid

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/30/tsunami.US.ap/index.html

OK peoples, Colin has the skinny on it here
 
2004-12-30 02:27:03 PM
luckyeddie .. grateful_net ... wondered who would comment on my words .. I never mentioned anything on prayer , never said I was special , I share the same world as both of you do , if you both don't believe in God...it's not taking Him by surprize , just pay attention as the world falls apart and you will either accept God or receive even an harder heart that you have now ... the choice is all yours !
 
2004-12-30 02:29:39 PM
Toriko
Guess you mean the image i linked in here. I will not link to the image but here's an article from Swedens biggest morningpaper, where I firts saw the image.. It covered 3/4 of a page in the printed version, not excactly what you want with your morning coffe.

Article, in swedish : http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=360330&previousRenderType=1


/doesn't dare to hotlink
//will read the FARq better
 
2004-12-30 02:30:26 PM
LittleSmitty: OK peoples, Colin has the skinny on it here

I like that guy. It'll be a shame when he has to step down.

Ebay is now allowing you to take the proceeds of anything you have for sale on there and send it to the relief effort. Again, you don't have to have money in your bank account to help.
 
2004-12-30 02:31:46 PM
Corporations give to tsunami relief

From planes to pills, the world's largest companies offer millions in cash, donations and services.
December 30, 2004: 1:03 PM EST



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Corporations reached out to help the victims of Sunday's earthquake-triggered tsunamis in southern Asia.

Amazon.com (up $0.08 to $44.90, Research) posted links on Web sites to the International Federation of the Red Cross immediately after the underwater earthquake off the Indonesian coast triggered tsunamis that will claim well over 120,000 lives and has raised more than $3.8 million in disaster relief aid.

According to the site, 60,000 online donations totaling $3.5 million had been collected by Wednesday evening and contributions topped $3.8 million by Thursday.

EBay (up $0.05 to $117.61, Research) users can give to eight aid organizations through the website. Sellers on ebay can also sell items through the company's ebay "giving works" program and donate 10% to 100% of the proceeds to one of the eight charities.

Microsoft (down $0.04 to $26.86, Research) founder Bill Gates is giving money through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, pledging an initial $3 million to nongovernmental organizations.

Starbucks (down $0.83 to $63.04, Research) has made an initial contribution of $100,000 to international relief organizations CARE and Oxfam UK.

The coffee chain will also donate $2 for every pound of Sumatra, Decaf Sumatra and Aged Sumatra whole bean coffee purchased in January at its stores in the U.S., Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and Germany.

More companies will be asked to give, USAID Director Andrew Natsios said at a State Department briefing Wednesday.

"We started a thing -- Secretary (of State Colin) Powell announced it in 2001 -- called the Global Developmental Alliance, and we now have 200 alliances between AID (Agency for International Development), foundations in the U.S. and nontraditional corporate donors who want to give their corporate money."

Pharmaceutical company Pfizer Inc. (Research) said it will give more than $35 million in donations to relief organizations, products and a program matching contributions by its employees.

"In addition to our financial contribution and product donations, we are ensuring that Pfizer colleagues with the needed medical and technical skills are available to assist with the relief effort," said Hank McKinnell, Pfizer chairman and chief executive officer.

Supply support
In addition to direct contributions to relief organizations, companies are giving much-needed supplies and technical support as millions around the Indian Ocean scramble for food and clean water.

Aftershocks are still rattling devastated areas and the World Health Organization says disease could kill as many people as the tsunamis themselves.


Pfizer (down $0.27 to $26.99, Research) plans to contribute approximately $25 million worth of healthcare products, including anti-infective products Zithromax, Zyvox and Diflucan.

Coca-Cola (up $0.12 to $41.68, Research) said it is coordinating with governmental and nongovernmental agencies to provide bottled drinking water, basic foodstuffs, medical supplies, survival kits, transportation and distribution assistance along with money, clothes and tents.

Johnson & Johnson (up $0.24 to $63.77, Research) is sending six, 10-foot-by-10-foot shipping containers of first aid equipment, medicine and other medical supplies, while Sears (up $0.07 to $51.76, Research) subsidiary Lands' End is donating $200,000 worth of merchandise.

"Entire villages have been washed away. This isn't just a situation of giving out food and water. Entire towns and villages need to be rebuilt from the ground up," Rod Volway, program manager for CARE Canada's Emergency Response Team, told Reuters.

Americares, which is providing pharmaceutical and medical supplies, has received donations from firms including Abbott Labs (up $0.23 to $47.07, Research), Baxter (up $0.14 to $34.64, Research), Hospira (up $0.17 to $33.56, Research), Glaxo Smith-Kline (up $0.02 to $47.42, Research), Proctor & Gamble (up $0.04 to $55.28, Research), Purdue Pharmaceutical, Tyco (down $0.07 to $36.10, Research) and the Altria Group (down $0.35 to $61.25, Research), which donated $150,000 to underwrite the airlifting of supplies from Amsterdam to Sri Lanka.

Cisco Systems (up $0.01 to $19.32, Research), which is giving directly through NetHope consortium, an organization co-founded by Cisco Fellows and several nongovernmental organizations, is providing short-term communications links in areas where communications infrastructure was damaged or destroyed. Motorola (down $0.01 to $17.15, Research) is also relieving support communications needs in the region.

Hospital operator Kaiser Permanente has donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross and will send physicians to the relief effort, and some oil companies are reportedly supplying free fuel for rescue transportation.

Thailand's gas company PTT Public Company Ltd. is donating $1.3 million in cash assistance and about $100,000 in food, fuel and employee contributions, and Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific Airways is giving supplies and other aid.

Matching funds
Companies including Intel (up $0.11 to $23.36, Research), which is giving $100,000 in aid, Cisco Systems and Time Warner have also set up employee matching programs.

Time Warner (unchanged at $19.42, Research), the parent company of CNN/Money, is giving $100,000 each to the American Red Cross International Response Fund and UNICEF South Asia Tsunami Relief Fund. The media conglomerate will also match up to $1,000 per employee up to $500,000 for donations to relief groups.

The company's AOL unit has pledged $200,000 to the Red Cross, and will match the first $50,000 of employee donations to relief organizations.

BP gave $1 million to the Red Cross and is considering a matching fund program for employees.

Anheuser-Busch (up $0.31 to $50.97, Research) said it has contacted the International Federation of the Red Cross to offer aid.

Some corporations, such as The Walt Disney Company (up $0.02 to $27.97, Research), haven't decided what they will do to help. A Disney representative told CNN that because of the holidays, it is taking longer than usual to consult with the company's executives. There is money set aside for emergency aid, the person said.

Other companies and their assistance plans are:

-- American Express Company (up $0.33 to $56.61, Research): $1 million to Red Cross and a matching program for employees.

-- Bank One: $1 million to Red Cross and a matching program for employees.

-- Bristol-Myers Squibb (up $0.03 to $25.63, Research): $1 million to Red Cross, shipping medicines including antibiotics and a matching program for employees.

-- Citigroup Inc. (up $0.14 to $48.15, Research): $3 million in support of disaster relief efforts and a matching program for employees.

-- Exxon-Mobil (up $0.09 to $51.22, Research): $5 million to assist relief efforts, affiliates in the region have donated planes and medical supplies and a matching program for employees.

-- FedEx Corp. (down $0.50 to $98.93, Research): shipping 200,000 pounds of medical supplies.

-- First Data Western Union: $1 million donation to Red Cross and International Red Crescent Societies. Company says it's the largest donation by the company since it began in 2000.

-- General Electric (up $0.21 to $36.77, Research): $1 million to Red Cross, $100,000 to UNICEF and a matching program for employees.

-- Hitachi Ltd. (up $1.15 to $68.80, Research): $200,000 in cash; discussing plans to give more.

-- Merck (up $0.01 to $32.25, Research): $250,000 to Red Cross, shipping medicines and a matching program for employees.

-- Merrill Lynch (up $0.44 to $59.97, Research): $1 million to Red Cross and its sister organizations.
 
2004-12-30 02:32:25 PM
"I like that guy. It'll be a shame when he has to step down."

Agreed. One of the few that I have true respect for
 
2004-12-30 02:32:40 PM
DasWiggy
Why should we give them a dime? It'll only make them hate us more to take charity from us "infidels".

In that case, why not unilaterally remove tariffs and trade barriers to the affected countries? This would probably do even more to help these poor nations in the long term, since the best foreign aid is a job.
 
2004-12-30 02:32:42 PM
http://apple.com/

Donation links
 
2004-12-30 02:32:51 PM
I am ignoring this entire situation. It only makes me feel bad and there is nothing I can do.
 
2004-12-30 02:34:21 PM
Diogenes:

It's worth noting that this "one planet" was knocked off it's axis by 8 cm. Pretty freaky. I guess it's time to reset the atomic clock.

I heard about this. How the heck do they measure that?
 
2004-12-30 02:34:31 PM
"To understand the true loss multiply the number of the dead by the number of people who loved them, cared for them."

Ouch... CNN hits home hard with that one, at least for me.
 
2004-12-30 02:36:42 PM
If the caldera in Yellowstone were to go off, the entire Western US would likely be as bad off as those in SE Asia right now. Being modernized don't mean jack when the Earth blows a frickin' gasket like a caldera.
 
2004-12-30 02:36:52 PM
ConanTroutman:

I am ignoring this entire situation. It only makes me feel bad and there is nothing I can do.

Dude! How can you say that? Put something on Ebay and give the proceeds to the relief effort! Send a few bucks to AmeriCares. Hit the TotalFarker's link in the article posted a couple above this one on the main page and PayPal something over. Give some of your airline miles to Delta or Continental in order to transport professionals over to the affected areas.

Don't bury your noggin in the sand. People need your help.
 
2004-12-30 02:37:11 PM
Yeah, Calvin Hobbes, considering the degrees of separation this disaster will likely effect virtually everyone on the planet.
 
2004-12-30 02:38:41 PM
diehard
(snipped)

"Powell also alluded to the roughly $35 million in emergency aid already committed as "just a beginning.""

Don't grasp at every opportunity to be a douchebag


What brassed me off was the politicking where asshats were swift to condemn others for not giving enough (remember the clown who suggested that the UK had offered 100k?) and continually citing the 35 million dollars as a good example. Well, it was a good start - but it's now time for the government or president or whoever to say 'whatever it takes' - and to mean it.

Of course the international community will dig deep and often over this disaster - but the US should give the most purely because you are the richest nation in the world and can afford to do so.

/just fire less missiles in Iraq for a couple of days
//pacifist atheist commie at heart
///hopes the UK matches you pound for dollar
 
2004-12-30 02:39:52 PM
And I thought I wouldn't have ANYTHING to do today at work.

/has gotten nothing done thanks to this thread
//realizes once a farker, always a farker
///still only scrolled down halfway
 
2004-12-30 02:40:01 PM
Calvin Hobbes

I don't beleive shelling out money helps at all. Why don't they tell the people they are paying to do it for free? Instant charity. Why doesn't Delta or Continental fly them pros for free? They are going to help for crap sake!

PS I could use a few handouts myself.
 
2004-12-30 02:40:37 PM
Life is fickle. May their souls rest in peace.
 
2004-12-30 02:40:40 PM
Rest In Peace
~You will all be remembered~
 
2004-12-30 02:40:56 PM
No kidding, verbaltoxin. But my guess is that if Yellowstone goes it will take out more than 100,000 people. It's the largest and most active "volcano" on earth. If it goes then the US will have a very nasty black scar in the NW corner and our National Park will be the source of the largest National Disaster in our nation's history.

/I'm guessing that it won't happen anytime soon, but don't quote me on that.
 
2004-12-30 02:42:28 PM
Great Post Ewink. You summed it up perfectly.
 
2004-12-30 02:46:49 PM
I've had all the death and destruction I can take today. There is a 6 of Yuengling in the fridge and I do believe I will tip a toast to those that are gone and then polish off the rest. I'm sure this thread will still be going on once I'm good and toasty, and I look forward to drunken reparte in the off hours
 
2004-12-30 02:47:21 PM
I am ignoring this entire situation. It only makes me feel bad and there is nothing I can do.

Just an observation, but by posting, you in fact are not ignoring the situation...

I have some old stuff I could put up on Ebay. That's a good start.
 
2004-12-30 02:47:53 PM


What they don't believe in me?

Merry Xmas infidels.

/ticket please.
 
2004-12-30 02:49:18 PM
ConanTroutman:

I don't beleive shelling out money helps at all. Why don't they tell the people they are paying to do it for free? Instant charity. Why doesn't Delta or Continental fly them pros for free? They are going to help for crap sake!

PS I could use a few handouts myself.


So, see? You were wrong. You aren't ignoring the situation, and instead have acknowledged it and are choosing not to help. That's your right.

Badafuco: Great Post Ewink. You summed it up perfectly.

No. No he did not. He's part of the bunch that takes a tragedy overseas and somehow makes it about America.

For about the 14th time... it's not about you. It's about 100,000+ people who have died, and 1,000,000+ people who are in danger of dying from waterborne diseases.
 
2004-12-30 02:49:42 PM
Is anyone afraid that the US admin will turn this into a PR stunt to 'win' back worldwide support?

I'm all for helping, but for the wrong reasons it seems shady
 
2004-12-30 02:49:55 PM
And lets can the talk of "natures wrath"...Nature does not have wrath.

/Back to wainting for an improper use of "irony".
 
2004-12-30 02:50:00 PM
ForrestRump - Feel free to pass this along:


Gospel According to Luke, Chapter 13

1 At that time some people who were present there told (Jesus) about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with the blood of their sacrifices.

2 He (Jesus) said to them in reply, "Do you think that because these Galileans suffered in this way they were greater sinners than all other Galileans?

3 By no means!
But I tell you, if you do not repent, you will all perish as they did!

4 Or those eighteen people who were killed when the tower at Siloam fell on them -do you think they were more guilty than everyone else who lived in Jerusalem?

5 By no means!
But I tell you, if you do not repent, you will all perish as they did!"

/Minister should be worried about himself....
 
2004-12-30 02:50:16 PM
3wned
 
2004-12-30 02:51:18 PM
"I don't beleive shelling out money helps at all. Why don't they tell the people they are paying to do it for free? Instant charity. Why doesn't Delta or Continental fly them pros for free? They are going to help for crap sake!"

I was wondering what all these poor people were going to do with lots of cash also, I guess they can burn it for heat but that's not very cost effective.

I guess while the numbers each country is giving are interesting it would probably be more interesting to see where all the money is really going.
 
2004-12-30 02:51:50 PM
Diogenes, ASScivious, this planet regularly wobbles on its axis. Same goes for the rotation. That's what the IERS studies.
 
2004-12-30 02:53:00 PM
***GRAPHIC WARNING***


http://www.blaat.co.uk/Numb1/sa/ruumiita4ft.jpg


***GRAPHIC WARNING***


it's a picture of a beachfront resort, this picture truely shows the magnitude of what happened,
 
2004-12-30 02:54:19 PM
Mordant:

I guess while the numbers each country is giving are interesting it would probably be more interesting to see where all the money is really going.

From what I've read and seen on CNN it looks like the biggest needs are bottled water, food, medicine (particularly for re-hydration and infection prevention), materials to build temporary shelters and, sadly, body bags.

I'd expect that the money is being used to buy these things.
 
2004-12-30 02:54:36 PM
jesus, think of the missed opportunity by the U.S. If they had of swept in and helped these people out with a whole lot of money aid and played a leadership role in the rebuilding it would not only have alleviated a whole lot of the animosity towards the U.S. government but it would have made all us whining liberals shut up. I mean why wouldn't they... it seems like it would be the christian thing to do.
 
2004-12-30 02:54:43 PM
We ARE stingy (pop)
"We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities." (NYTimes)
(NYTIMES login: suckerdj, pwd suckerdj)
 
2004-12-30 02:54:52 PM
Trying to ignore it is what I should have said.

I have chosen to not be involved in any charity ever. farkinA right that's my right.

It's a terrible tragedy. Send air mattresses and innertubes and head down there to help if you can. Save your money for your own successes and shop locally.

It's awfully bitter for a Thursday
 
2004-12-30 02:57:21 PM
Mordant

a large chunk of money goes to food, and medical suplies, but most of the money givin will go to rebuilding whole communities.

whats so interesting about that? where did you think the money wuold go?
 
2004-12-30 02:58:01 PM
futurcorerock - Is anyone afraid that the US admin will turn this into a PR stunt to 'win' back worldwide support?

Don't look the gift horse in the mouth. I don't know if the "US admin" is helping for purely charitable reasons or diplomatic reasons, and I don't really care. If we do everything we can to help financially, and more importantly, by sending able bodied people over to do the heavy lifting that is needed, then I would expect that we could win back some worldwide support. You can speculate all you want on the motivations of the US, but what really counts is giving everything we can to help.
 
2004-12-30 02:59:33 PM
ConanTroutman:

I have chosen to not be involved in any charity ever. farkinA right that's my right.

You a Christian, son?
 
B82
2004-12-30 03:00:28 PM
The fact that so many douchebag lefties are calling the US and Republicans stingy reaffirms why I voted for Bush.

NEWS FLASH MORANS: We aren't obligated to donate one red nickel. Its not our fault God or nature or whatever you believe in decided to push some water around. Its not like Americans expect other countries to help us when natural disasters happen here.
 
2004-12-30 03:00:54 PM
2004-12-30 02:57:21 PM glacier26


Mordant

a large chunk of money goes to food, and medical suplies, but most of the money givin will go to rebuilding whole communities.

whats so interesting about that? where did you think the money wuold go?


So who is the bigger jerk? Me for not giving them my money blindly or the guy looking the poor bastards in the face and handing him a bill for the case of water he just sold them?
 
2004-12-30 03:02:26 PM
So nice to see everyone's agendas in the face of such a horrible tragedy.
 
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