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2004-12-30 01:39:14 PM
It took me the better part of an hour to slosh through this thread.

And I really don't like getting involved in a flame war, but I wanted to add something.

First, no one should expect these poor countries to donate money to the US when we have a disaster. America is self sufficient enough to deal with it on our own.

Second, for those who call America stingy. These are poor countries, right? That's what everyone keeps ranting on about. They need our help!!! They're poor!!! Yeah, well do you know how much 35 million is too a poor country? That's the GDP of probably half those countries combined.

Third, as mentioned by Balder333, our help isn't just defined in $$. Do you people understand how much it'll cost us to move those navy ships over there? How much it costs to run those helicopters, planes and manpower we're sending?
The 'America Sucks No Matter What' crowd needs to get off their high horses and STFU because you have no idea what you're babbling about.

Forth, America (or any nation, or person for that matter) doesn't have to give a dime. We're not obligated to fork over one penny to anyone. We do it because we're not the arrogant asshats that you people think we are.
This country has done more for the modern world then every other combined. Sure, we've made mistakes but that happens. So how does the world thank us? 9/11; Op Ed pieces from across the globe telling us what devils we are; making it so our Olympic athletes are afraid to wear red, white and blue in Athens.

In whole, the American people care more about the rest of the world, then the rest of the world does about us. This should prove that we don't do what we do just to make everyone love us.

Americans are compassionate, loving, charitable people. We ask for nothing in return, which is good because we don't get anything but hatred.

And then you have Bill Gates. A man who donated more than many countries did. And of course he gets slammed. Nice. I guess it's true. No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2004-12-30 01:40:03 PM
See? I told you God was againt offshore outsourcing.


(Yes, I am going to hell if it exists. See you there.)
 
2004-12-30 01:41:01 PM
batcar01:
I tip my hat to you. By far the most powerful post in this entire thread.
 
2004-12-30 01:41:38 PM
The refusal of Israeli Aid to Sri Lanka is being grossly misrepresented.

Sri-Lanka has refused aid from Israel that came in the form of 100 IDF soldiers, but has accepted non-military aid from Israel.

The facts havn't stopped Israel, and pro-Israeli pundits, from whinging about discrimination against the "poor Jews".

Zionists never miss an opportunity to misrepresent events in order to gain sympathy for "poor Israel".
 
2004-12-30 01:41:38 PM
We're not obligated to fork over one penny to anyone.

Actually I strongly believe that as a group of human beings we are obligated.

Like I mentioned earlier I share this belief with biologists, economists, philosophers, and followers of several major religions.
 
2004-12-30 01:42:31 PM
thedrunkpug - drudge just reporting that 400,000 may be dead.

If that is true at this point, I expect the total deaths (considering disease and famine) will rise to nearly a million. Amazing. I can't even imagine what it would be like to live there. Their entire world just got turned upside down. The survivors have lost their homes, families, jobs, everything. I feel like a tiny little gnat when it comes to thinking of how I can help. This is epic.

I wish all of the asshats here biatching about American stinginess or how it isn't our problem would just shut the fark up for a minute and realize that we are one planet. How big of a disaster do we need before we set aside our differences for the common good? Grow up already.
 
2004-12-30 01:42:56 PM
agw62679: Just don't send ironic supplies such as water bottles.

Fresh water is one of the things that will be most useful. There's a real danger that diseases spread by contaminated water will kill more people than the tsunami.

Give what you can afford.
 
2004-12-30 01:43:03 PM
As soon as the USGS calculated the quake magnitude and location, they knew there would be tsunamis. They probably knew in ten minutes.

A couple phone calls from the USGS to the governments out there could have been warning enough for countries that had hours between the quake and the waves.

All it would have taken was some military helicopters with PA systems flying slowly along the beaches broadcasting a warning to at least give some people a heads up.

Whatever.
 
2004-12-30 01:43:06 PM
J.G. Longbotham:

The US doesn't OWE anything to other countries. Still, you claim that your President is the just and fair Leader of the Free World, and a good Christian at that.

I never said that. I think quite the opposite, in fact (see profile).


Sorry, I meant Americans in general. It's a constant source of amusement to us that don't live in the USA that people on American TV are constantly referring to the POTUS as the "Leader of the Free World."

"Leader of the what now? I didn't vote for him!"

... but let's end this threadjack...

Hey! American-based companies are donated more that $60 million in cash and supplies.

Pfizer, Citigroup, Abbott Labs, Johnson & Johnson, CocaCola, Pepsico, Landsend, Motorola, FedEx, NorthWest Airline's Cargo Division, Starbucks, Ebay...

ALso anyone who has Delta or Continental Frequent Flyer miles can donate them. Give 'er boys!
 
2004-12-30 01:44:53 PM
It's worth noting that this "one planet" was knocked off it's axis by 8 cm. Pretty freaky. I guess it's time to reset the atomic clock.
 
2004-12-30 01:45:30 PM
I saw some video's and this one made me wanna cry
 
2004-12-30 01:45:42 PM
holy crap.
 
2004-12-30 01:46:23 PM


why is god angry?
 
2004-12-30 01:46:38 PM
office_despot

Good points about the difficulty of helping Darfur. That is probably the root cause of the lack of aid/attention, it being just too damned hard to sort out.

I'm more pissed that the media cares about this tsunami thing since natural disasters make for good stories, while old fashioned "gun" violence doesn't make people bat an eyelash these days. Also, my friend hadn't even heard of Darfur until I griped about it to him earlier this morning. That says a lot, he's my best friend and definitely not ignorant or a jackass.

I'm sure when I'm older I won't be bothered by how fubared it all is, though.

sadness -> anger -> a big sigh
 
2004-12-30 01:47:15 PM
And Luckyeddie, we DO appreciate your help...especially the Black Watch or whatever you call that unit in Iraq that's killing for us. Thanks!!! :)
 
2004-12-30 01:49:02 PM
When I die and if I'm called in judgement. God has much more to answer for than I do.
 
2004-12-30 01:49:04 PM
Diogenes:

It's worth noting that this "one planet" was knocked off it's axis by 8 cm. Pretty freaky.

I heard that ... have any links ? interesting... but scary too.

 
2004-12-30 01:49:45 PM
The final word on giving.

Each year the U.S. gives an equilivant of about 2% of their GDP.

That is an assload of money even at 2%.

For some perspective, the UK has yet to even reach the 1% mark.
 
2004-12-30 01:51:41 PM
When we've bombed people, they loved us. When we were nice, they hate us. It's better to be feared than hated.

I fear you and I hate you...what do you make of that?
 
2004-12-30 01:52:53 PM
mostlyharmless_, after saving, previewing, and zooming in on that pic... I'm ... that's .... damn.
 
2004-12-30 01:53:11 PM
$15 dollars given to the Red Cross today.

Because it makes my heartache just a little less.
 
2004-12-30 01:54:08 PM
mostlyharmless_: Most part of that debree is NOT debree... =(

Ah Jeebus... I just 'ported that into Photoshop and zoomed in. Don't do it folks. That's just freaking awful. Those poor people.



nuclear_asshat: Each year the U.S. gives an equilivant of about 2% of their GDP.

Ralph Spoilsport:

According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

Which is correct?
 
2004-12-30 01:54:32 PM
That video is the most violent I had seen yet. The kinetic energy in that water was tremendous. There would be little chance of surviving for all caught in the water.
 
2004-12-30 01:55:08 PM
vegasj:
It's worth noting that this "one planet" was knocked off it's axis by 8 cm. Pretty freaky.
I heard that ... have any links ? interesting... but scary too.


Here's a story from the Independent: (pops)

Truly incredible.
 
2004-12-30 01:55:55 PM
For those bashing US aid so far (and that of other countries)....a few things....

First we are only a few days into this. We can have the biggest pile of cash in the world, but it is not what the countries need right now. They need clean water, food, temporary shelter, and help burying the dead. Those are all logistical items that require for the most part 2 things:
1. Expertise
2. Equipment to move the items

These are the only things that will stop people from dying now. If someones biggest problem currently is they need cash to fix their house, they are pretty well off right now all things considering.

The US has been on the ground since this thing pretty much started with #1, is probably the best at it, and is doing the best that can be done with #2. It takes time to move equipment, especially when the roads,ports,airports and everything else you need to move it are destroyed. Add to that that there is only so many things like potable water transport trucks to go around.

The real costs come when you start trying to rebuild the infastructure in a month or two. Come back in 6 months and look at what the totals donated then are. Then make your snide remarks. Then also add all the private donations from US citizens into the pot and STFU.
 
2004-12-30 01:56:20 PM
yeah, and that's not even counting all the ones that were thrown out into the waters. :/
 
2004-12-30 01:57:18 PM
Not to be a stick in the mud but...

All you guys offering to take up collections and give them to a donation sound very suspicious. Not saying you aren't going to but there is no proof that the money will help these people rather than end up in your pocket.

Why not just donate to a respected charity like unicef rather than risk sending $50 paypal to 5c4mm­3­r­[nospam-﹫-backwards]el­dni­ws­*c­om?
 
2004-12-30 01:58:03 PM
Don't look at it - or at least don't zoom in.

Just don't. Take my word for it.
 
2004-12-30 01:58:09 PM
GREAT now a volcano erupts !!

Port Blair: India's last active volcano, in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, has erupted in the aftermath of the huge earthquake that set off tsunamis killing thousands of people, official sources said on Thursday.

People have been evacuated from Barren Island since the eruption began on Tuesday night and there were no reports of injury.

Lava was flowing out of the rim of the crater which towers above the Indian Ocean some 500 metres (yards) away, the sources said.

Tourists used to visit by boat and the island has a police station.

The volcano, known as Barren 1, is located some 135 kilometres (80 miles)northeast of the capital Port Blair, and last erupted in 1996.

It runs about 150 fathoms deep under the sea and usually gives off smoke. M.M. Mukherjee of the Geological Survey of India told AFP the volcano presents little real danger.

"The risk is minimised because it is surrounded by the sea so if at all there is a lava flow it will roll off into the sea," he said.

The Andamans has reported a series of major aftershocks daily since Sunday's massive undersea quake off Sumatra.

The Andaman and Nicobar Islands are located near a zone of intense tectonic activity. A second volcano, called Narcondam and considered dormant, lies close to Barren Island, which also erupted in 1991 after more than a century of inactivity.
 
2004-12-30 01:59:59 PM
 
2004-12-30 02:00:20 PM
This entire thing is a wash.

/...ya, I know
//donated 100 to americare yesterday
 
2004-12-30 02:00:50 PM
DasWiggy
And Luckyeddie, we DO appreciate your help...especially the Black Watch or whatever you call that unit in Iraq that's killing for us. Thanks!!! :)

So the Brits and others, both with us and agin us in Iraq, who have died in the Indian Ocean - what's your excuse for them - collateral damage?

125000 confirmed death toll now. Fark.
 
2004-12-30 02:01:09 PM
I looked out my window Sunday night and said "FARK!!!! It's snowing." I obviously have nothing to biatch about now. We should all count our blessings that we have the leisure to sit on our asses and post/flame on Fark.
 
2004-12-30 02:01:10 PM
LineNoise:

The US has been on the ground since this thing pretty much started with #1, is probably the best at it, and is doing the best that can be done with #2.

Hehehe... yeah... American Expertise is why I will only buy Japanese or German cars now after years of bad experiences.

/relax, I'm just joking...
 
2004-12-30 02:02:56 PM
vegasj
Scroll up to : 2004-12-30 10:19:43 AM Bugger_All

It has a URL to the larger version of that picture.

[Thanks mods for the broken HTML feedback!]
 
2004-12-30 02:04:58 PM
Calvin Hobbes
As much as I hate to admit it, Germany does make one hell of a car.
 
2004-12-30 02:05:29 PM
It wouldn't be worth it to fake a charity on FARK. Way too easy for a cop to check it out (and I am sure there are many who are farkers) by pulling your credit card statements and checking if you actually posted the donations to a charitable orgnization.
 
2004-12-30 02:05:33 PM
Someone want to link that pic? We don't do dead bodies in-line here.
 
2004-12-30 02:06:23 PM
> Interestingly, the U.S. gave about $35 million.
> GDP: $10.99 trillion
> .0003% of GDP donated

Stingy hmmm? Let's see, 120,000 out of 5 billion ~ 0.0024% of world's population. You may have a point there.
 
2004-12-30 02:06:51 PM
THe U.S. hovers around 2%. In comparison, in Canada and the United Kingdom, countries with similar infrastructures to the United States, charitable contributions were .72% of the GDP and .55% of the GDP respectively.

That is just private donations. That does not include government giving. But by any measure the U.S. exceeds all others in those categories.

In fact, we are one of the only countries that gives money to people whose leaders publicly denounce us, yet come running for money at every opportunity. (Syria, Jordan)

The biggest problem is that people started this stupid pissing contest. Why? The facts just don't support it.

No. It was a bullshiat move, and he should be fired.

The good news is people are mobilized and giving.

Please give cash and make sure the money is going where you want it to go.
 
2004-12-30 02:09:50 PM
"It wouldn't be worth it to fake a charity on FARK. Way too easy for a cop to check it out (and I am sure there are many who are farkers) by pulling your credit card statements and checking if you actually posted the donations to a charitable orgnization."

The cop would need a judge to Ok that. It isn't really a hard scam to pull off.
 
2004-12-30 02:09:51 PM
Ol' Doc Washburn: As much as I hate to admit it, Germany does make one hell of a car.

Yeah, after years in the steel industry working with North American car manufacturers I don't trust them in the least... the two best cars I've ever owned were a Toyota Camry and my BMW 318... but we're threadjacking again...

In case it was missed earlier, Canada (and doubtless other governments) is calling for any Psychologists or Psychiatrists who can speak any of the native languages to sign up. Any farkers with the appropriate skills should really consider it... people are going to be suffering long term post-traumatic stress disorders over there.

Also, if you have airline miles that you can donate, several airlines are accepting them. Money is great, but there are other ways to donate if Christmas has left you a little broke.
 
2004-12-30 02:11:24 PM
You know what is really sad? We're spending MORE on the "presidential" inauguration in Jan than we are pledging to help the families of these 100,000+ that have died
 
2004-12-30 02:12:03 PM
So has Falwell gone on tv to tell us that God caused this disaster because of the pagans, feminists, civil libertarians, abortions, etc in the region?

***********

from the "Might may not exactly equal right, but in a few years nobody will notice" Department
DasWiggy-using your 'logic' perhaps if we tell the people of the area that we started the earthquake, perhaps by planting bombs along the fault lines, they will love us and we will all be happy. What do you think? Or are you just ranting uncontrollably because mommy forgot to give you your medication this morning?
 
2004-12-30 02:12:32 PM
nuclear_asshat
THe U.S. hovers around 2%. In comparison, in Canada and the United Kingdom, countries with similar infrastructures to the United States, charitable contributions were .72% of the GDP and .55% of the GDP respectively.

That is just private donations. That does not include government giving. But by any measure the U.S. exceeds all others in those categories.


Really?

UK now up to 50 million (pounds, not Mickey Mouse dollars) in official government money, plus 25 million already raised from private subscriptions, plus their share of the official 200 million euros from the EU central pot.

Match those numbers and we'll talk about the US government donations.

/not liking this pissing contest one little bit
 
2004-12-30 02:12:56 PM
Calvin Hobbes
I hear ya. Apologies for the jack.

Please donate. Regardless of our bickerings, this is a worldwide effort. Let's step it up.
 
2004-12-30 02:14:56 PM
Ol' Doc Washburn, Calvin Hobbes

I am truly saddened to see that the noble British MG with it's marvel of engineering, the Lucas electrical system do not merit any mention in your eletist car-makers world. It is this kind of prejudice that makes baby Jesus cry.

That and this soul-numbing death count.
 
2004-12-30 02:18:03 PM
puremanx - you think you're special just because you have an extra chromosome.
 
2004-12-30 02:18:21 PM
shiat...
 
2004-12-30 02:18:25 PM
As annoying as it is, countries that are trying to piously and humbly outdo each other by way of out-donating the other guy are really helping things a lot.

May we continue to make aggressive attempts to be better than the other guy via donations. This area needs it badly.
 
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