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2004-12-30 12:03:06 PM  
Only if I was eaten alive by vampiric midgets.

I think I'd pay $5 to see that.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:24 PM  
snoringtoad
15m which is just shy of $30m..
lol

1 is just shy of 2.. but 15m is NOT just shy of 30m.


15m pounds, dumbass.

In a week, that'll probably be worth MORE than $30m the way the world's making firelighters out of dollars at the moment.

/Think that all people who trade in currencies are parasites.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:26 PM  
If anybody wants to make a donation to a charitable orginization; Apple.com has pretty much devoted their front page to disaster relief orginization's websites.

Just in case anybody hadn't said that.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:32 PM  
If the USSR had experienced a natural disaster that killed 150,000 people in 1982 can anyone honestly say that we'd be jumping at the chance to send money and aid to them?

If Libya had experienced a natural disaster that killed 150,000 people during the early 90's, would we have lent a hand.

Maybe we would have, but public opinion would have dissented.

I'm not claiming that the countries in this region of the world are our enemies like Russia and Libya in the past. What I'm saying is that there is a modicum of merit to comments from people questioning America's quick leap into action whenever there is a world tragedy.
 
2004-12-30 12:04:10 PM  
bbcrackmonkey:

Hey douche-bags turning this into a Republican/Democrat flamewar, shut up, tsunamis don't give a shiat what political party you support and neither do the vast majority of us.


A-farking-men.
 
2004-12-30 12:04:15 PM  
does america really have more money? last time i checked we're pretty seriously in debt.

/not saying that's an excuse to cop out on aid...
//just sayin'
 
2004-12-30 12:04:21 PM  
This thread will self destruct in 10...9...8...
 
2004-12-30 12:04:23 PM  
Longsmoke So you hate Americans... ok. You've really outwitted me this time pal. It's amazing how you were able to completely pick me apart so efficiently... I am impressed indeed. I, for one, welcome you as overlord.

The discussion of how much as been donated by each country is a little stale... The challenge is getting the stuff to the right place.. not necessarily having enough in the first place. Also, in the weeks to come, rebuilding infrastructure and commerce will be very important. The hardest part is going to be healing people's hearts and minds.. so much senseless death.. families missing multiple members... Fortunately, we as humans are fairly good at marching on in the face of adversity.
 
2004-12-30 12:05:59 PM  
It is really telling when a headline only needs to be a number and everyone knows exactly what it means.

This is huge. Hellava way to end a very turbulent year.
 
2004-12-30 12:06:11 PM  
This thread will self destruct in 10...9...8...


I'm afraid it self destructed already, it's merely burning off the remaining fuel
 
2004-12-30 12:06:48 PM  
VirgoSnake: "True, of course, but as soon as a story gets a wee bit complicated folks' minds like to check out. Natural disasters are easy to understand, there's clear cause and effect.

The tangled web we weave and the lies we concoct to conceal it are an entirely different animal. Especially if it attempts to expose the larger myths "civil society" relies on for continuity...

So Iraq is "about" weapons of mass destruction, a tsunami is mass destruction. Simple. "

That's all true, it's also one of the worst aspects of our society. We selectively ignore great atrocities and choose to mourn the ones with the greates sentimental value (no politics involved, innocent people, very uncomplicated). Because it allows us to feel like we are caring and unselfish individuals. It gives mindless emotional relief and gets you through your days thinking you are a good peson. Sentimentality will, however, rot your soul in the end.
 
2004-12-30 12:07:32 PM  
on a different angle, does anyone get a more deepened appreciation for how totally brutal and unkind 'nature' can be? and how really and truly powerless we are against that kind of force?

sort of makes one feel that there is really very little IN your control. really. if you think you control stuff, you're just fooling yourself.

every day you are 'allowed' to live is an extra day you 'beat the system' so to speak.

/maybe
 
2004-12-30 12:07:53 PM  
2004-12-30 12:02:32 PM RedfordRenegade

Please learn to differentiate between the politics of a "country" and the politics of its citizens.
Hey, since you know so much about this region you must have spent a lot of time there? Right? Right? Was it that pedophile-sex trip that one time?
Hey, you made your bed......


I have been to some of these places. Sri Lanka, Phuket, even Maldives. Few other places in the area that were not hard hit.

So I probably know more than most about the area. I also have friends who travel in these areas for work--they work for oil companies and have to travel with constant security, and often stay in compounds built specifically for foreign business travelers. Malaysia and Indonesia can be some very dangerous places for white Americans, especially with any business connection that certain groups might dislike.

Many of the people there are great. But as a whole, their governments are not supportive of the US and its policies. So as far as I'm concerned, those governments can come into line and accept our poicies outside of their own interests, or learn to live without our aid.

I feel that this is sound policy in any area, and with any country. YOu don't play ball, you don't get the contracts you want or the aid you need. You don't want us, we don't want you.

It's fairly basic, actually, and has nothing to do with a particular tragedy that will be forgotten in no time.
 
2004-12-30 12:08:06 PM  
I, for one, would like to hear what Dr. Kent Hovind has to say on the subject. Or the Reverend John Hagee.
 
2004-12-30 12:09:03 PM  
grateful_net

I bet you really don't understand sky divers and bungie jumpers :)
 
2004-12-30 12:09:25 PM  
For anyone that missed the videos...
Farkable server with all 5 videos I've found.
 
2004-12-30 12:09:45 PM  
2004-12-30 10:08:48 AM leperboy69

For some reason, your pic hit me the hardest. I have no idea why, but of the loads of horrible pics that came from this incident, yours hit me right in the farking balls.

Thank you?
 
2004-12-30 12:10:18 PM  
Swiss Colony

Come on people, it doesn't matter who gives what, as long as the rich countries and people are at least giving something.

That's exactly the point that has more than a few people here worked up (Longbotham, Bunnyman Bob, etc). The first thing I hear on Good Morning America yesterday isn't what all the different countries are doing to help, but that the UN and other countries think the US is being 'stingy'. When all is said and done, US private donations, corporations, citizen volunteers, and even the 'evil' Bush regime will ending up giving more money and volunteer hours than any other country.

The US is damned when they do and damned when they don't, just a fact of life for us. And to those complaining that this isn't about the US, it isn't, yet there will be calls from all around the world for it to be.
 
2004-12-30 12:10:41 PM  
I read somewhere on yahoo (sorry don't have link) that they count the dead by counting the number of people in a mass grave, and then multiplying that by the number of mass graves. Actually, there is a huge problem because they are not identifying victims or even taking their pictures before they are buried because they are afraid of diseases the corpses might carry.

This is truly horrid, horrid stuff... It makes all sorts of thoughts go through my head.....
 
2004-12-30 12:11:34 PM  
Thinking that this has put a dent in radical Islamists in the area is...well...retarded at best. But it's also stupidly short-sighted and ignorant if you follow that line of thinking.

Radical Islamism thrives in this sort of environment - poor, devasted, needy. It is in our BEST interest the help these people, lest we let our true enemies take advantage of the chaos.

/realpolitik
 
2004-12-30 12:11:46 PM  
bshur:

Cant imagine where we got the idea that little Muslim children in 3rd world shiatholes want to kill us. Oh, wait, maybe it's from all the little kids strapping themselves with explosives.
And by the way, we HAVE experienced death on a large scale. Remember Sept. 11? I think 3,000 innocents dead qualifies



Call me a romantic, call me stupid, but all I see is thousands and thousands of dead people, and even more people left without families.

3k innocents dead qualifies, but that kind of thing happens every day in 3rd world countries. We act as if it never does, we act as if we are the only ones ever hurt.

If daslasher or whatever would explain why he hates other countries so much, or at least why he thinks all those people deserved to die, I would be more receptive. All I see is some very xenophobic, hate filled comments, and they make me bristle.
 
2004-12-30 12:12:42 PM  
2004-12-30 10:08:48 AM leperboy69

A Sri Lankan man carries body of his son out from hospital at the town of Galle, 117 kilometers south of the capital Colombo. The death toll from massive tidal waves that struck Sri Lanka's coastline leapt to more than 12,000 .
Photo: AP

I am referring to this pic in particular. My apologies for farking up the board.
 
2004-12-30 12:12:46 PM  
Now what about the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Christians, the Atheists and all the others who died in this terrible tragedy? How did they deserve it?

I already said. there's no "deserve" about it. there's no plan, no god, no one watching.

/look ma, no hands
 
2004-12-30 12:13:43 PM  
Pfizer is donating $10Million in cash and another $25 million in medicine and medical supplies.

http://www.pfizer.com/are/news_releases/2004pr/mn_2004_1229.html
 
2004-12-30 12:14:56 PM  
Diogenes
Thinking that this has put a dent in radical Islamists in the area is...well...retarded at best. But it's also stupidly short-sighted and ignorant if you follow that line of thinking.

Radical Islamism thrives in this sort of environment - poor, devasted, needy. It is in our BEST interest the help these people, lest we let our true enemies take advantage of the chaos.


Excellent observation.
Probably best not to try to appeal to some people's better nature--they might not have one. Self intrest works every time.
 
2004-12-30 12:15:10 PM  
grateful_net:

on a different angle, does anyone get a more deepened appreciation for how totally brutal and unkind 'nature' can be? and how really and truly powerless we are against that kind of force?

sort of makes one feel that there is really very little IN your control. really. if you think you control stuff, you're just fooling yourself.

every day you are 'allowed' to live is an extra day you 'beat the system' so to speak.



I have been thinking about it very much lately. It's hard to, from my perspective, think about how this is truly natural, in the midst of feeling so very compassionate towards the lives lost and maimed over there. :(

bunnyman_bob so did i answer your questions?
 
2004-12-30 12:15:21 PM  
wilbret and the other Bush apologistas here would have a little more cred if our embarassing Pres. actually came up with the aid he's promised. Remember the Africa AIDS package? Guess how many of the BILLIONS that were promised have been disbursed? That's right...NOTHING.

"put your Bush hating aside"? Man is that a lame excuse for an argument. The corpses are rotting in the street, and all you can come up with is some schoolyard nonsense? Bush is our leader, and he's failing us yet again. Deal with it, chump. Raise a stink, raise the roof...we need to do more.

Face it: the right in this country has constantly beat on foreign aide...slashing foreign aid has been a right wing pasttime for decades. This is more of the same, and it's EMBARASSING. Spain...farking SPAIN is making us look like chumps?

I'll let someone more eloquent than I fill you in...NYTIMES op-ed....

Are We Stingy? Yes


President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in Asia. He also hurried to put as much distance as possible between himself and America's initial measly aid offer of $15 million, and he took issue with an earlier statement by the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator, Jan Egeland, who had called the overall aid efforts by rich Western nations "stingy." "The person who made that statement was very misguided and ill informed," the president said.

We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

The American aid figure for the current disaster is now $35 million, and we applaud Mr. Bush's turnaround. But $35 million remains a miserly drop in the bucket, and is in keeping with the pitiful amount of the United States budget that we allocate for nonmilitary foreign aid. According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

Bush administration officials help create that perception gap. Fuming at the charge of stinginess, Mr. Powell pointed to disaster relief and said the United States "has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world." But for development aid, America gave $16.2 billion in 2003; the European Union gave $37.1 billion. In 2002, those numbers were $13.2 billion for America, and $29.9 billion for Europe.

Making things worse, we often pledge more money than we actually deliver. Victims of the earthquake in Bam, Iran, a year ago are still living in tents because aid, including ours, has not materialized in the amounts pledged. And back in 2002, Mr. Bush announced his Millennium Challenge account to give African countries development assistance of up to $5 billion a year, but the account has yet to disperse a single dollar.

Mr. Bush said yesterday that the $35 million we've now pledged "is only the beginning" of the United States' recovery effort. Let's hope that is true, and that this time, our actions will match our promises.
 
2004-12-30 12:15:53 PM  
Also, to Mr. Santry's article:

Poor nations don't give us support after our natural disasters because THEY'RE FARKING POOR. Would you see Paris Hilton's face on one of those cancer kid jars in convenience stores if she had some sort of disease? No... because she can afford to take care of it herself unlike the local no-legged boy that tries to play basketball by crawling around on his buttcheeks.
 
2004-12-30 12:16:42 PM  
J.G. Longbotham said, "YOu don't play ball, you don't get the contracts you want or the aid you need. You don't want us, we don't want you."

See, this is where many people like yourself are mislead. You're equating governments with people, and that's completely unfair. Even in a democracy (like America) it is still highly probable that the majority of the population does not support their government's actions.

Why would you want to punish innocent people? That punitive thinking what leads to large scale turmoil, more death, and more hatred.

At some point in your life you will need the help of those you disagree with, and on that day you will wish you hadn't burned so many bridges.
 
2004-12-30 12:17:57 PM  
 
2004-12-30 12:19:38 PM  
The CBC just announced that the Canadian government is looking for Psychologists and Psychiatrists who can speak any of the native languages to send over.

I have a friend who just signed up. Any of you with the appropriate skills should definitely consider it too.

I hate the overuse of the word "tragedy", but this certainly qualifies.
 
2004-12-30 12:21:02 PM  
Alex Chilton: If you're feeling pressured into giving to a charity, chances are the person pressuring you stands to take a large cut. There are other factors to look at when considering who to donate to, but knowing what I know, I wouldn't give to any charity who's representatives come across like used car salesmen.



Please note that not all charities are like that -- as a professional fundraiser, I can tell you that all fundraisers of reputable organizations are salaried and our compensation is never based on a percentage of what we raise (the Association of Fundraising Professionals actually prohibits this as a guiding principle).

If you want to check out a charity before you donate, go to charitynavigator.org or the Better Business Bureau's Philanthropic Advisory Service (also online). They rate charities based on what percentage of the money they raise goes directly to program services. In the case of Mercy Corps (which is collecting for earthquake/tsunami relief right now), Charity Navigator gives their highest rating, with 91% of funds collected going directly to programs (rather than administration). A good guideline -- if more than 30% goes to fundraising and administrative costs, AVOID that charity.
 
2004-12-30 12:21:32 PM  
MikeRaphon


at80eighty

Quite clever of you to liken this natural disaster to the WTC disaster. However, early warning systems do exist to detect earthquakes. They just aren't used in that part of the world. Early warning systems do not exist for detecting planes crashing into buildings in any part of the world. You're metaphor is therefore invalid.


NORAD? Sattelites? Air Traffic Control? The CIA? The FBI? The NSA? The Military?
 
2004-12-30 12:22:43 PM  
What's interesting is the great amount of apathy of many Americans in regards to this incident, because it happened to "brown people". When 9/11 happened, with a mere tiny fraction of the casualties of the current disaster, Americans were looking out into the world and saying "Yeah, you BETTER send us some farking condolences".
 
2004-12-30 12:22:53 PM  
Two places that I donated to were the Red Cross Internatioanl (www.redcross.org) and Doctors Without Borders (www.doctorswithoutborders.com). Both sites accept credit cards and the Red Cross site allows you to donate in someone else's name or organization, so all you Farkers can donate and attribute it to Fark.

You people who are making jokes about these people deserving it (or otherwise making light of it all) are so demented that it boggles my mind.

JW
 
2004-12-30 12:23:03 PM  
One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic.

(Joseph Stalin)

/numbers can't explain
 
2004-12-30 12:23:44 PM  
OK I am full of shiat because I said I was leaving and I obviously haven't.

Blade2567
Hypocrit alert! Check out her favorite quote in her profile.

That's there just for you, baby.
 
2004-12-30 12:24:50 PM  
I would bet that 99% of the victims of this tragedy were far too busy scraping out a subsistence existence to give a fark what radical Islam has to say about America.
 
2004-12-30 12:24:53 PM  
Grateful_net:
If we want to play this game i can find you shady passages from the texts of any religion. But that by no means defines the core of the religion or the morality of its beleivers. It would be like taking the conflict in Northern Ireland and judging all christians based on how a stupid a relatively small minority has acted. It doesn't make sense. There are millions of muslims in the world and clearly all of them are not fundamentalist terrorists. If that were the case there would actually be a significant amount of terrorism, which there is NOT. Despite what your fears may have you believe.

Also as for your other posts about the awesome 'destructive power of nature'. That's more ugly sentamentality. See my post above
 
2004-12-30 12:25:09 PM  
It's hard to see tragedys like this but more will come the world as we know it will certainly change in the next few years , growing worse and worse , this wave is nothing as to what will come to mankind as it's told in the Bible ... get right with God folks ... today ... we have no guarantee of tomorrow ....
 
2004-12-30 12:26:13 PM  
Its pissing me off to hear everyone biatching and moaning about what the USA isn't doing for the victims in this disaster.

The USA is putting up more cash.

First, the US simply handed EVERYTHING in its foreign disaster aid fund. All of it, there is nothing left to give. To give more will take an act of congress to approve the spending. This is how our system works - congress having the power of the purse strings and such.

Lets look at the numbers anyway:
The following is from http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/10525751.htm
"
A partial tally from two days of donations to CARE, one of the largest humanitarian groups, has raised about $7 million, according to CARE officials.

The U.S. Fund for UNICEF reported unprecedented contributions of almost $7 million as of midafternoon Wednesday. By comparison, Web site donations on a normal day this time of year usually produce $15,000.

The usual U.S. contribution in major disasters is 25 percent to 33 percent of total international aid, according to Brian Atwood, former director of the U.S. Agency for International Development in the Clinton administration. So far, the U.S. contribution is 13 percent of the $270 million in international aid that the U.N. said Wednesday has been pledged since the tsunamis struck.

Spain has pledged $68 million, Japan $30 million, Britain $29 million, Germany $27 million, Australia $27.6 million, France $20.5 million, and Denmark $15.5 million, the U.N. reported."

Sothe USA has contributed = 35+7+7=49Million, and that total is rising every day. In the end the average Joe contributing to an aid organization will outstrip the government aid package. This is the way I believe it should be: Give if you can, don't tax those who can't.

Second, you are not including in the $35 million the other forms of aid we have immediately put to work.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12292004_2004122905.html

"U.S. Pacific Command has marshaled assets ranging from carrier strike groups to water purification ships to aircraft to provide emergency support for victims
...
the first of three Marine disaster relief assessment teams being sent to the region arrived in Thailand earlier today and a second team was due to arrive in Sri Lanka this afternoon. A third team will arrive in Indonesia Dec. 30
...
U.S. Pacific Command has committed six C-130 aircraft and nine P-3 aircraft to the relief effort. ... two of the P-3s already are conducting observation and reconnaissance of damaged sites
...
USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group, which was in Hong Kong when the earthquake and tsunamis struck, has been diverted to the Gulf of Thailand to support recovery operations, Conway said. ... the Lincoln carrier strike group has 12 helicopters embarked that he said could be "extremely valuable" in recovery missions
...
An additional 25 helicopters are aboard USS Bonhomme Richard, headed to the Bay of Bengal. Conway said the expeditionary strike group was in Guam and is forgoing port visits in Guam and Singapore and expects to arrive in the Bay of Bengal by Jan. 7.
...
Because fresh water is one of the greatest needs in the region, Fargo has ordered seven ships each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day to the region
"

So to all you America bashers out there FARK YOU!!!!

God bless the victims, and God bless the USA
 
2004-12-30 12:27:09 PM  
Ok, for you Red Cross bashers:
Where were you before you saw the huge numbers of dead and suffering? Where were you while Red Cross volunteers were standing knee deep in slushy snow holding a blanket around a shivering mother who's only hoping the fireman will get all her kids out of her burning home? 9/11, hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis are not the only disasters the Red Cross responds to. The Red Cross is ALWAYS right behind the fire truck on the scene at every house fire in every podunk hick town in the nation and indeed on the planet, CONSISTENTLY providing relief to people experiencing disaster on every scale.

The Red Cross is RIGHT THERE at every major disaster. If they raised money and spent it individually for each disaster, how would they have the money to get to the next disaster? Where would they get the money to help families experiencing their own personal disasters? They train people to save lives in about a thousand different ways every day. They run blood drives to save lives EVERY DAY. Their volunteers risk life an limb to help others EVERY DAY. Go to their services page to see exactly how much they contribute to the entire world. It's a long page, be prepared to scroll.

Read the Snopes article again and you'll see that you're wrong about the American Red Cross and hopefully you'll set aside even 10% of whatever you would have spent on Christmas presents to help them prepare for the NEXT disaster. Then pray to whatever God or higher power or even just thow some hope out into the Universe that you won't ever need them.

Now, that said, all the other charities are also in need of your support, so donate often to as many as you can. Charity Navigator can help find reputable charities.

My heart goes out to every family affected by this disaster. My heart goes out to anyone who can not see the tragedy and it goes out to those who would politicize and criticize from their safe, warm computer desks as millions of thier fellow humans now mourn their losses. Please be kind to one another.
 
2004-12-30 12:27:33 PM  
Grateful_net:"One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic."



And of all people Stalin and Hitler would probably know best. But I hope you'll forgive me if in my personal beliefs and in the beliefs i respect in others, I choose not to embrace their example.
 
2004-12-30 12:28:46 PM  
Ya know folks - the world is in a sad state of afairs when, upon a posting of the death toll of a major international disaster, you become angry at eachother and act like 4 year olds.

Seriously, grow up.
 
2004-12-30 12:29:10 PM  
1-800- HELP - NOW


AMERICAN RED CROSS
 
2004-12-30 12:29:28 PM  
get right with God folks ... today ... we have no guarantee of tomorrow ....

like the priest in erik the viking who said, as the ship was going down, 'might as well convert now. it can't do you any harm'.

heh.

but suppose - just suppose - your view of god is the wrong one and you're really pissing him off more and more. each time you pray 'the wrong way' you annoy him.

ever think of that? you can't know you have the right way. you can't. others also think they have the right way. what makes you so special?
 
2004-12-30 12:29:30 PM  
I hope the victims' governments don't declare war on the tsunamis that had nothing to do with this.

/I donated money so I feel I can joke about our idiot president in this time of tragedy.
 
2004-12-30 12:32:51 PM  
Comparing this to the WTC is absolutely ludicrous. One was a criminal act the other is a natural disaster. Im sure if you broke this down to the most basic you could say grief is grief.

The scale of grief and human suffering in this case is enormous. Yes you can say this was a natural disaster, it has happened in the past and will happen in the future. That doesnt prevent us from empathizing with the great loss of life and the incredible amount of suffering for those left behind.

I think the whole argument about the governments giving more is pretty pointless too. If you want to give, do so. Dont wait on your government to do it for you.
 
2004-12-30 12:34:47 PM  
Balder333

THANK YOU!! The amount of people looking to bash the US and call us stingy has just been turning my stomach. Nearly everyone I know has donated something to Americares, The Red Cross, Doctor's Without Borders, etc. Everyone in my office is talking about this. I was working on compiling statistics, but you beat me to it. It just really pisses me off when people use tragedies like this to immediately bash our country. Americans, as a people in general are charitable, good people. Thems the facts.

Nice work. Kudos. Pat on back, etc.
 
2004-12-30 12:35:00 PM  
RIG69

If this tragedy is an example of the son of your God's work (as you seem to be saying) then yes, we ought to be waiting for him.

/ready to butt-fark the child-murdering bastard as soon as he appears
//thinks religious nut-jobs are part of the problem, not the solution
 
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