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2004-12-30 10:41:35 AM
Here we go again, the charities will be getting rich and the needy will get squat...

I wish a real honest charity existed...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:11 AM
luckyeddie --
"Lay off Canada. I for one have the greatest of sympathy for them. Look at who they have to share a border with."


Being so close, you'd think that aid to Florida would have gotten there a lot sooner. If they got lost sailing to Florida, I'm wondering how long it's going to take for these relief supplies to get to India.

Maybe they should have just driven it to Florida? Do Canadians know they can do that?

Still waiting for the ship to come in...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:22 AM
macabre

Let's be honest - the only people complaining about criticisms against 'America being stingy' are themselves stingy, greedy, sheltered, right wing, pro-tax cut, hypocrite Repukes, Conservatives, and Christians.

Keep telling yourself that over and over again and soon it may be fact. You're just trying to associate the "stingy, greedy, sheltered" adjectives with the "right wing conservative christians". Which is far from the truth.

Take a trip out of your dorm room someday to a third world country and see the work that missionaries are doing. Sure there are the street corner type but most are building schools, clinics, latrines, etc.. These "christians" are not only putting their money where their mouth is but also their hands, backs, and time trying to help save lives.

So please people, keep the thread on the subject and stop trying to turn this into some Democrat vs Republican thing. The people that died are neither and are not helped by our political rants one bit.
 
2004-12-30 10:42:32 AM
Going for a quarter million dead before it's all over.. Lots of outlying area's still not checked yet..Disease and starvation will get another 100,000...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:49 AM
LEPERBOY I CAN'T GET YOUR VIDEO LINK TO WORK. PLEASE HELP!
 
2004-12-30 10:43:34 AM
joelawyer

They certainly are not as rare as honest lawyers.

/kekeke
 
2004-12-30 10:45:05 AM
You people trying to inject your partisan party attitudes need to get your heads and your priorities examined. I don't care if you're red or blue. In the face of such a humbling, human tragedy, you should be ashamed.
 
2004-12-30 10:45:34 AM
Quit arguing about money! We're trying to save lives that have already been shattered, you callous farks!
 
2004-12-30 10:45:54 AM
NOW is it worse than the iraq earthquake?
 
2004-12-30 10:46:22 AM
Kyng - exactly!

Glad you see the light.
 
2004-12-30 10:46:27 AM
I've studiously avoided these infinity threads about the tsunamis, because I knew that they'd be full of nothing but bloviating dipshiats politicizing a human tragedy. Based on what I've seen from the few posts I've bothered to read, I was right.

Congratulations. Your point of view won. Lots of people died, but you've got your political hobbyhorse (left or right) to cuddle up to and keep you warm.

Look, if you think it's the right thing to do, donate some money if you have it. If you don't care to donate, then don't. But for crying out loud, quit making political hay out of a horrible event.

I guess it's just a sign of how great we have it in America that we can be so petty about something so awful.

Now feel free to ignore this and carry on not doing anything meaningful. I'm outta here, in search of folks who can live up to the monniker "human beings."
 
2004-12-30 10:46:50 AM
This is without a doubt the largest natural disaster in human history.

Obviously body counts were higher in the two world wars, but as for a single event taking so many lives, I'm having a hard time finding a comparison? Hirsohima? The Somme? Dresden?

Watching 60 minutes of coverage on the CBC last night gave me a sense of how bad it was... whole towns abandoned -- totally destroyed, most of the inhabitants killed, and so isolated now that roads/highways/rail were destroyed that aid might NEVER come.

Time to do some serious reflection about how fortunate I am to live in North America.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:26 AM
Oh yeah and Macabre, I went to a preppy Catholic high-school that worked with a program called "Building With Books" that went into the 3rd world and built new school-houses.

They use your donations to buy the materials then they send over the architect guys and about a dozen people from different high-schools. By the time I had graduated my school, Lumen Christi, had built 3 schools. 1 in India, 1 in Nepal, and 1 in Kenya.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:29 AM
Once we've donated, can we keep arguing?
 
2004-12-30 10:47:44 AM
How about we cut the red state/blue state shiat for a second for some good news.

A couple who were scuba diving hit it hit, dove under it and survived. They made it to shore find thier hotel destroyed. They helped out for a while and went home safe.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:53 AM
I couldn't begin to imagine, so I did a little experiment:

What does 115,000 look like?
http://www.toddbinder.com/toll.aspx
 
2004-12-30 10:48:43 AM
Diogenes:

You people trying to inject your partisan party attitudes need to get your heads and your priorities examined. I don't care if you're red or blue. In the face of such a humbling, human tragedy, you should be ashamed.

bbcrackmonkey:

Hey douche-bags turning this into a Republican/Democrat flamewar, shut up, tsunamis don't give a shiat what political party you support and neither do the vast majority of us.

Add another to the pile. bbcrack said it best. Nature doesn't care who you are. She'll kill or help you indiscriminatly, and I think we humans should do the same. (Help, that is.)
 
2004-12-30 10:48:59 AM
Ubergrendle, this is not the largest natural disaster. There have been earthquakes and floods in China, Bangladesh, and India that killed half a million people before. If the death toll rises as much as I think it will, probably to about 300,000, then it will merely be the worst natural disaster in modern times.
 
2004-12-30 10:50:06 AM
I knew it was only a matter of time before the "our country gave more than your country" childishness turned into "red states give more than blue states".

However, if a misplaced sense of competitive antagonism results in running up the $$ totals, I'm all for it. Bring on the immature triumphalism!

/suck it, Missouri!
 
2004-12-30 10:50:19 AM
Ubergrendle

from Korb...830,000 killed in China in 1556, or the 650,000 believed to have died in a 1976 China quake.

This is not the largest in human history, but still plenty large.
 
2004-12-30 10:50:42 AM
Macabre:

"Hater of all things Southern and Midwestern."

Wow, just wow.

I guess it takes a "freethinking liberal" to be so intolerant.
 
2004-12-30 10:51:07 AM
times like these i wish i could trust charity organizations.
 
2004-12-30 10:51:10 AM
just for all you people complaining abotu America being stingy:
on average we contribute 40% of all funds and supplies to disaster releif over the world....we only pledged $35 million to begin with because that was the amount currently free in the trelief fund...before GW can give more actual cash he needs Congress to authorize it...he can send actual aid worker like thwe warships which are going to produce freshwater....perhaps it owuld of sounded better if he ahd pledged a grandiose $1 billion (which the us will undoudbtly end up spending) but he instead went with the current real number....the guy who called us stingy was referrign to the fact that the US aid totals in a year don't even equal 1% of its GDP despite the fact they in actuallty far out strip other nations in real amounts......
 
2004-12-30 10:51:18 AM
terrific toddman...

Staggering, isn't it?
 
2004-12-30 10:51:57 AM
3) Also, I believe bbcrackmonkey is correct when he says that the true number will never be known. These numbers you are hearing this week are just guesses. It was "11,000", then "23,000", and since then it has doubled almost every day. That's a sure sign that NO ONE understood the extent of the damage, and that casualty counts are just coming in for some areas. Many outlying parts of Sumatra are just now being reached five days after the quake hit, and towns of 10,000 or more may have no more than a few thousand survivors. How can they possible organize an accurate count of their dead? These numbers like 115,000 are merely rough estimates.

The true number of dead will never be known, and in the end, it doesn't really matter what the number is. It's just a number, after all, and an attempt to quantify things that are otherwise incomprehensible. Perhaps it is more important that we remain mindful of the fact that each of those 'ones' that make up that unknowable final number was an individual with a life story and loved ones, just like you and me.
 
2004-12-30 10:52:22 AM
flatspin

Missionary work is done out of vanity and ego to lure poverty stricken people into believing some phantom God. 'Here, take this bread and water - by the way, did you know Jesus loves you? By the way, here's a Bible for you..." Proselytizing is the name of the game.

Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you.
 
2004-12-30 10:53:11 AM
Buddah, if you would bother to read... there has been a response to your question.
 
2004-12-30 10:54:10 AM
The people complaining because Bush is on vacation need to realize that no matter where the president goes, his work comes with him. His phones still work and his advisors and staff still do their jobs.
 
2004-12-30 10:55:35 AM
macabre --
"Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you."


I have a better idea, hop in and spend some time with some of the misionaries in Central and South America. You'll get a first hand account of just how ignorant you really are.
 
2004-12-30 10:57:58 AM
Ubergrendle

This is without a doubt the largest natural disaster in human history.


actually, not true:


Black Death (bubonic plague)

There were three major epidemics - in the 6th, 14th, and 17th centuries. The death toll was 137 million victims.


1099 - The Netherlands and England

A combination of high tides and storm waves on the North Sea flooded coastal areas of England and the Netherlands, killing 100,000 people.


1201 -Near East and Mediterranean Sea.

The worst recorded earthquake in history took an estimated 1 million lives.


1556 - China

More than 830,000 people in the Shensi Province, China, were killed by this earthquake. It caused the collapse of caves that people had carved out of cliffs and used for homes.


December 28, 1908 - Italy

Italy's worst earthquake occurred on December 28, 1908, striking both sides of the Straits of Messina and killing more than 200,000. The hardest hit area was the city of Messina, on the northeastern coast of Sicily, where some 84,000 were killed and 90 percent of the city was reduced to rubble.


1931 - China

Flood, Hwang-ho river, China 3,700,000 died


1956 - China

Earthquake, Shensi Province, China, 830,000 died


1959-61 - Northern China

The world's deadliest famine killed an estimated 30 million people in China.




/enough, I think
 
2004-12-30 10:58:15 AM
money pledged vs. GDP (in millions)


EU $44m
US: $35m 10,881,609
Canada: $33m 834,390
Japan: $30m 4,326,444
UK: $28.9m 1,794,858
Australia: $27m 518,382
France: $20.4m 1,747,973
Denmark: $15.6m 212,404
Saudi Arabia: $10m 188,479
Norway: $6.6m 221,579
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m 161,549
Kuwait: $2.1m 35,369
Netherlands: $2.6m 511,556
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m 148,553
Singapore: $1.2m 91,342
 
2004-12-30 10:58:23 AM
From the BBC; funds pledged so far:
EU $44m
US: $35m
Canada: $33m
Japan: $30m
UK: $28.9m
Australia: $27m
France: $20.4m
Denmark: $15.6m
Saudi Arabia: $10m
Norway: $6.6m
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m
Kuwait: $2.1m
Netherlands: $2.6m
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m
Singapore: $1.2m


If Singapore can give $1.2m, I wonder how much the Sultan of Brunai has donated. He's usually a pretty generous guy.
 
2004-12-30 10:58:53 AM
sorry it wasnt all mushed up like that when i previewed it.....
 
2004-12-30 10:59:08 AM
120,000 dead...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041230/325/f9emq.html

It's just unbelievable...
 
2004-12-30 10:59:08 AM
"Get up in the morning, death, death, death, death, death, death, death lunch- death, death, death - afternoon tea - death, death, death - quick shower.."
 
2004-12-30 11:01:17 AM
RedfordRenegade: Celebrities among the thousands caught up in deadly Asian tsunamis

So there is justice!
 
2004-12-30 11:01:35 AM
We in the highly developed nations tend to take so much for granted... Money/supplies/relief for our citizens, technology for warning systems, easily accessible media for both info distribution and education of citizens concerning how to react to disaters...

This catastrophe struck some very poor nations who have very little of the above, and are therefore enduring more than most of us can imagine. Please, PLEASE remember this when you post here. It's easy to bandy numbers back and forth, but not so easy when you try to put a face to every number.
The suffering there is great, and will be greater still all too soon.

This is a case where just a little compassion can go a LONG
way. Let your conscience be your guide. And if all you can afford to give is prayers, then take comfort that you're still doing more than many of your fellows.

/crying for the dead children
 
2004-12-30 11:01:42 AM
I've taken to looking in the World Almanac to put this in perspective for an American who can't quite wrap his head around the number that well. Let's say a fictional group of aliens came down and vaporized one American city, killing everyone in it. Just wipes it off the map. I'd obviously want to look for one with a population as close to the death toll as possible.

It started as Eau Claire, WI. Then it became Decatur, IL. Then Yuma, AZ. Then McAllen, TX. Now the alien vaporization city is Inglewood, CA.
 
2004-12-30 11:01:46 AM
macabre

Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you.

Show me evidence of YOU doing anything and maybe I'll listen to you. Do you actually think that the clinics give free medical care and give out bibles instead of lolipops? Unreal..

Like I said earlier. Please people, not only give money but also give your time and expertise. It's easy to give money but money doesn't fix everything and sometimes makes things worse (in general). Red Cross needs help and this won't be the last tragedy.
 
2004-12-30 11:04:13 AM
Blade2567: //NO ONE has ever owned me you flaming retard. NOBODY!

That is so stupid. Can't people forget their own egos for one MOMENT to remember that so many people died and are dying and will die, to forget that being owned on the internet is about the same as being stung by a mospuito?!

Are there any people on this thread who aren't trolls?
 
2004-12-30 11:06:08 AM
I'm donating to doctors w/o borders and ignoring the trolls.

Remember people: insults only count if you respect the source.
 
2004-12-30 11:06:25 AM
sheikah

How interesting would it be if every post on this thread shared the same opinion?
 
2004-12-30 11:06:54 AM
Boddah_Buddah

Yes it is true, they had a similar quake in the region a couple of years ago (9 on the richter scale I think) but it didn't cause much damage at all. So they kept quiet about this one as it was weaker than the last one, you don't want to scare off the tourists.
 
2004-12-30 11:07:29 AM
Boddah_Buddah

I heard similar rumours, but not from or about any government sources. Last evening, the radio was suggesting that seismologists at the earthquake/tsunami warning centre (in Hawaii?) had a fair idea that there was going to be a major problem, but they had no contact numbers for the Indian Ocean region (Tsunamis are pretty rare in that area).

I guess it's just people being wise after the event.

In answer to whoever it was asked how likely it was than there was just one reported fatality in Kenya, that's fairly easy to explain. Someone there heard the news coming from Thailand etc, got a map out, drew some straight lines and made some phone calls. Apparently, the police there moved people back from the seashore in the nick of time.

They were lucky to be a couple of thousand miles further away from the epicentre.
 
2004-12-30 11:07:34 AM
Mother Earth is doing what she can to get back at us before we destroy her...
 
2004-12-30 11:07:43 AM
synesthesia

"You must get up very early in the morning."
 
2004-12-30 11:07:49 AM
My horrible thought is this:

We all knew it was going to top 100,000.

The question is...how much higher is it going to go?
 
2004-12-30 11:08:38 AM
Buzzboy Make that 27 million Euro as now for the Netherlands
 
2004-12-30 11:08:42 AM
Are there any people on this thread who aren't trolls?

I'm an Ogre. Thats OK, right?
 
2004-12-30 11:08:49 AM
MikeRaphon:

sheikah

How interesting would it be if every post on this thread shared the same opinion?



Good point, but saddening.
 
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