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2004-12-30 10:17:01 AM
GustBlusto

And why was the only relief offered to hurriance victims in the form of loans with an interest rate?

you missed the old "per capita income" bit , dincha?

shall i add "insurance", "pension" and "things you take for granted like fresh running water are hard fought for outside the first world". Let's toss in "existing decent infrastructure" and healthy economy"....

send the army corps of engineers, send some guys with shovels, but help others in need rather than use it as a platform ......HEY.

e-mail from a colleague just in the office in response to one he sent 10 mins ago;

Hi all !

im happy to tell you that until now i received 135 Euro to donate !!!

and you can still give

until tomorrow 2PM, then I will send the (hopefully very high) amount to giro 555



thanks, please make the difference !!!

if you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask..

Stefan



Ahhh, yes ! That's what I'm talkin' about...
 
2004-12-30 10:18:05 AM
*That donations by country list is interesting. Take Canada and the US for example. Both have pledged near the same amount, but Canada is 1/10th the size of the US. This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?

*Careful how you donate. Consider it an investment. Choose wisely and the return will be astronomical.
 
2004-12-30 10:18:06 AM
callielala:

Do you know how much I care about how much anyone else has given? Zero. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that others are attempting to help, I'm just saying the US could be using its money much more wisely than it currenly is. We already look like global assholes for ditching the kyoto accords, pissing on nuclear arms treaties by persuing a money-pit of a missile defense shield, and the whole Iraq mess. Now we're going to look like scrooge at christmas by not helping out a bunch of countries, and more importantly PEOPLE, who desperately need the aid. If we aren't there to help the rest of the world when they need it, where will the rest of the world be when we need the help?

http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~ward/papers/La_Palma_grl.pdf - If something like this happens, we may well need foriegn aid ourselves some day.

//works near Boston, Ma
///Hopes it happens on a weekend when I'm not here
////Hopes we get reasonable warning, but when a tsunami like this could move at over 500mph, warning will probably just cause panic, and just as many people will still die, just scared in their cars instead of relaxed in their homes.
 
2004-12-30 10:18:58 AM
This is what happens when you doubt the might of the "Humunga Kowabunga from Down Unda."
 
2004-12-30 10:19:33 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Worthless dollars, not useless.

/should have said 'relatively worthless'
 
2004-12-30 10:19:43 AM
Warning:
Very graphic photograph of Tsunami aftermath in Thailand below

not clickable on purpose: http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2004/december/ogrish-dot-com-tsunami_aftermath. jpg

Here in Holland it seems that many people donate their funds saved for the end-of-year festivities to the relief funds
 
2004-12-30 10:20:17 AM
if you're in Tennessee and want to help, information is available on some places that you can work with here: linky linky pop pop

scroll to the bottom
 
2004-12-30 10:20:50 AM
STOP PLATE TECTONICS NOW!

You got a big enough stapler?

-----------------------------------------
PS: Dear Mr. Billionaire Farker (if you exist):

Step 1: give $500 million dollars
Step 2: save lives
Step 3: publish your name and get tons of pussy from girls impressed by your money and kind heart
Step 4: profit! (via orgasms and knowing that you saved lives)

I'd do it, but I need to find $1 billion first...
 
2004-12-30 10:21:02 AM
The_0tter
What I find intersting is that not only has the EU given funds but also the member states seperately. I'm not sure where the EU money comes from to be honest - from the member states or from funds set aside for aid relife?

I can't believe the Spain pledge. For a country that size that's a lot!
 
2004-12-30 10:21:12 AM
The Red Cross collects money to help with disasters around the world, not for any specific disaster. Just because the majority of money collected after 9/11 did not go to the families of the event, does not mean that it did not go to a good cause. In addition, the people donating the money were never told it would be used for that purpose. Sometimes, the bigger picture must be looked at.


2004-12-30 09:20:18 AM BuzzBoy


Before any of you open your wallets to the Red Cross for this terrible event, I suggest you read the article at the link below. This is about what happened to all the funds the Red Cross collected for the 9-11 victims.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.htm

The average victim would have gotten $167,000 but after the Red Cross got their hands on the money, less than $3000 filtered down to each of the victims.

It certainly changed my "donation" habits.
 
2004-12-30 10:21:44 AM
The_0tter --
"*That donations by country list is interesting. Take Canada and the US for example. Both have pledged near the same amount, but Canada is 1/10th the size of the US. This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?"


How many hurricanes and other assorted natural disasters was Canada hit by this year?
 
2004-12-30 10:21:44 AM
One thought for you out there protesting the small amount given by the US.

How many planeloads of food and meds are other countries sending?

Are other countries setting up an airbase for airlifts?

Are other countries moving aircraft carriers to the scene?

Just asking.
 
2004-12-30 10:23:09 AM
"This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?"

We have too many faith-based initiatives to support. Besides, giving poor people money just enables them.
 
2004-12-30 10:23:10 AM
I wonder what incentive they have to inflate the number of dead. Who "validates" their numbers?
 
2004-12-30 10:23:27 AM
grateful_net

Stick with me here. Wrath=Angry. Blaming this on "God's Wrath" means he/she did this because God was "angry"... As opposed to God setting up a system where both happens and letting it work. See the point I was trying to make?

/Wishes some people had better reading skills
//Doesn't believe most farkers exist either..
 
2004-12-30 10:23:44 AM
Leper's video has a shot of a couple solemnly carrying their two dead children on their shoulders for burial...

It makes me want to leave work right now and hug my baby girl and not let go...

:~(
 
2004-12-30 10:24:14 AM
2004-12-30 10:01:02 AM GustoBlusto
Mr_Fabulous your ignorance is showing there.

What in God's name are you on about?

No wait, never mind. I don't care. Fine, I'm ignorant. You win. That means you can go away now.
 
2004-12-30 10:25:43 AM
"Deeply ashamed on behalf of America for sending only $35 million in aid."

COMALite J: Somehow I doubt this is as high as our donation numbers will go. Some Americans are jerks like it's their job, but the rest of us really do try to make up for them.

Current amazon total (I know not all of the people donating are Americans, but still): $4,246,602.00

Though after reading the post by heirloom_tomato I wish it were going to www.care.ca, that seems like a better organization than Red Cross.
 
2004-12-30 10:28:04 AM
The list of international victims doesn't show us, but Finland has 14 confirmed dead, and latest information is that there is 263 Finns missing. News has been all about the catastrophe for past days, specials and extra news broadcasts. Survivors are being evacuated all the time.

We are a small country and these things hit us hard. It makes me shed a few tears when I see these completely destroyed people come back from the area in the news, some missing family members, relatives, friends...

News just said 120,000 dead now.
 
2004-12-30 10:28:06 AM
andyxc
If we aren't there to help the rest of the world when they need it, where will the rest of the world be when we need the help?

Probably rolling on the floor laughing our butts off.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:10 AM
Once again, I am embarassed by my government. The U.S. should be doing a LOT more. Bush's comments in that press conference were stupid. When Spain and Canada show us up...

Today's the day when we sit down with our kids and decide where to donate the charity money we've been saving in our piggy banks. I'm going to double theirs because the one thing I'm afraid of is that the other good causes we usually support will go wanting because of this. I saw it happen to non-profits after 9/11. Time to dig a little deeper...we can afford it.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:14 AM
We spend ungodly amounts of money to kill Muslims, not help them. Duh.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:39 AM
Mow much have you given, Mugato?

I'm hoping to wind up giving a few hundred over the weeks. It's no $3mill but it's a helluva larger percentage of my income than Gate's contribution. It'd be like me holding a press conference saying that I'll give but asking if anyone has change for a button.

its all or nuthin. if we thank him for the good, why are we not allowed to curse him for the bad?

I agree with that statement, which is why I do neither. And I beleive in God.
 
2004-12-30 10:30:15 AM
Lost on the Internet

that said, that's why i'm sending a far greater percentage of actual physical goods rather than cash straight up...
 
2004-12-30 10:30:45 AM
I miss the Saudi Arabia execution counter.


/window, please
 
2004-12-30 10:31:53 AM
Ralph Spoil and other libs... what aren't we doing?
Our giving increases as the need increases.

Don't be fooled by DOLLAR amounts. Cash won't do much good right now. Think about the dozens of C-130s landing with supplies, and the manpower we are sending to help. Convert all the help we WILL give, and it will be closer to $1 Billion...just watch.

Put your hatred of Bush aside and think for a moment.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:26 AM
Can't BELEIVE the CNN Question of the Day was "Could it happen here?". Who gives a FARK?! It happened there! Get off your lazy, blinkered, insular, squelchy middle class butts and send some f&$kin money!
 
2004-12-30 10:32:35 AM
I tried to watch that video posted by leperboy69, but had to stop it. It was 10 minutes ago, and still, when I think of the hysterical woman holding her dead child, I'm ready to bawl.

I'm sure that the U.S. didn't sign the $35mil check and close the checkbook. When all is said and done, I'm sure my country will pony up plenty more. Not just financially, but like a previous poster said, materials. We'll surely foot the cost or care for relief workers, doctors, engineers, medical personnel, etc. In addition, setting up relief stations and work in the rebuilding effort.

At least the human part of me hopes so.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:36 AM
Omega Ohm
How many hurricanes and other assorted natural disasters was Canada hit by this year?

Lay off Canada. I for one have the greatest of sympathy for them. Look at who they have to share a border with.

/low blow, but it's only aimed at Omega Ohm's nuts.
//this thread needs a little laughter.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:50 AM
wilbret:

How many planeloads of food and meds are other countries sending?

3 months worth of supplies soon to be leaving by plane.

Are other countries setting up an airbase for airlifts?

Yep.

Are other countries moving aircraft carriers to the scene?

Dunno.

Just asking.

For what reason? America has done/will do a lot. The UK has done/will do a lot. The UN will do a lot. Why teh need for some kind of competition?
 
2004-12-30 10:32:59 AM
Another thing to consider about the donations and support provided by the US (in addition to the logistical support, food, airlifts, medicines, engineering/rebuilding - as someone pointed out), is that we have a "charity industry". That's not to say that other countries don't have independent aid organizations - but I doubt they compare to the scale of the charity industry here.

Bush is still callous, but I don't think we're being "stingy".
 
2004-12-30 10:33:15 AM
Gates gave that donation so he could have a Tax write off at the end of the year...

I think he got involved because of India and Microsoft working together...
 
2004-12-30 10:33:18 AM
stiff_upper_lip

"I don't believe you are in any way representative of Americans or America."

Thank you so much for realizing that the loudest Americans are not the best representatives of us! Sometimes I swear I'm ashamed to admit I share a country with those blowhards. It's so very good to hear someone say that they don't think we're all like that.

Many, many thanks.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:21 AM
It is not just our government that donates money. You will see in the end the US will probably wind up donating more money than any other country because we do it through private donation. Individuals and corporations will fill in the rest.

For all of you people still comparing this to Iraq or saying they are ashamed of our government, fark off. Find something else to complain about, this is not it. You just end up looking really stupid in this thread that is talking about human disaster. Some people have friends that are lost overseas and you are making this into a pissing contest over who is donating more money. I am ashamed as an American of people like you.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:29 AM
Let's be honest - the only people complaining about criticisms against 'America being stingy' are themselves stingy, greedy, sheltered, right wing, pro-tax cut, hypocrite Repukes, Conservatives, and Christians.

They want their tax cuts and golf courses and filet mignon and imported cigars but don't want to shell out a measly $100 to save someone's life abroad. They enjoy the fruits of 3rd world countries labor - from T Shirts ro Hotel resorts, but don't want to donate a dime to help out those nations' economy out of fear, prejudice, or outright racism.

FARK EM ALL. America doesn't need assholes like that, and the rest of us will donate or volunteer what we can on our country's behalf. They do not represent the best of America and never will.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:33 AM
Couple things:

1) The amount contributed by the U.S. government does not accurately reflect what the U.S. as a country is offering towards this relief effort. Our citizens do not rely completely on their government to do these sorts of things, and we like it that way. Check The Agitator (pops) for an article from yesterday with more information on the %ages and total dollars contributed by citizens. I would venture to guess that the U.S. federal gov't + U.S. citizen contribution total will dwarf all other (not directly affected) nations after this is said and done, as it should.

2) The U.N. receives about half its yearly budget from the U.S (number remembered from long ago, someone else can give the precise %age). Kind of odd to have the U.N. accusing the U.S. and other Western countries of being "stingy" when the U.N. would not even exist in its current capacity without the constant support and involvement of the U.S. In other words, whatever it is currently doing to help is twice what it would be without our moolah.

In short, everyone get over yourselves and concentrate on sending help, not pointing fingers. Bottled water and antibiotics are the primary need.
 
2004-12-30 10:35:04 AM
"Can't BELEIVE the CNN Question of the Day was "Could it happen here?". Who gives a FARK?! It happened there!"

They are just appealing to their audience. No matter what happens, it's all about America.
 
2004-12-30 10:35:14 AM
I'm not all that concerned about how much anyone's government is contributing vs. someone else's government. That's the government. They have budgets to deal with, and it's our money they're spending anyway.

You believe it should be more? Make it so. Stick a crowbar in your wallet and make it a little better.

The contributions given by private citizens, organizations and foundations will eventually dwarf those of the governments. So do your part and make with the donations.
 
2004-12-30 10:36:23 AM
Stiff - that was for people biatching about the $35 mil from the USA. They fail to see the value of other contributions given, when we are sending many other resources to the site.

And as far as I can tell, it is the USA setting up a landing strip, not other countries.

Sure, a country can send some cash... but not ONE will spend as much as the USA when all is said and done, especially when you include private donations.

/No beef with the UK, one of the few countries I respect
 
2004-12-30 10:36:28 AM
Did someone already start Worried Parents Against Plate Tectonics?
 
2004-12-30 10:37:19 AM
For those of you wondering what charities to give to, I would suggest giving to those that are the least aggressive if you want more of your dollar to get to the victims.

Allow me to present some anecdotal evidence to support my suggestion. I have a friend who runs a firm that solicits donations for various charities. One night I managed to pry it out of him that depending on the charity, when it's all said and done 10%-40% of what his firm collects gets back to the charity. He does very well for himself doing this. His job, and the job of his employees, is to guilt/charm/manipulate people into giving money and they have a strong incentive to do so - more money in their pockets.

If you're feeling pressured into giving to a charity, chances are the person pressuring you stands to take a large cut. There are other factors to look at when considering who to donate to, but knowing what I know, I wouldn't give to any charity who's representatives come across like used car salesmen.
 
2004-12-30 10:37:23 AM
Capt. Beefheart

lol good one

wilbret

I am not sure where you get your information, but I have heard multiple relief agency spokespeople say comodities are the worst thing to send and that cash is the best.

Cash can be transferred quickly and put into action to mobilize resources in the region to go to those in need. Commodities take too long to arrive and are not cost effective due to the addtional expense getting them to the needy.
 
2004-12-30 10:38:10 AM
I think it's a shame that people are gauging various countries on how much money the respective governments are giving.

This is all stemming from the 'government is what makes country x great' line of thinking that I consider so dangerous.

It's nothing for a government to write a massive check. It's not their money.

It's far more telling when the numbers roll in from the citizens, companies, and private organizations that gave money. I'll be far more impressed with those numbers than I will anything else.
 
2004-12-30 10:38:18 AM
 
2004-12-30 10:38:59 AM
indyselsa:

Thank you so much for realizing that the loudest Americans are not the best representatives of us! Sometimes I swear I'm ashamed to admit I share a country with those blowhards. It's so very good to hear someone say that they don't think we're all like that.

No problem. I have lots of American friends that I see when I can and write emails/exchange Xmas cards when I can't see them regularly enough. Its very easy to go for America at the moment and confuse its administration or its actions in other areas with its genuinely overwhelming genorosity of spirit or the ideas and opinions of a lot of Americans.
 
2004-12-30 10:39:08 AM
hahahaha.... whew... saying that Repubs don't give is funny. Someone pull up that giving chart by state, see how the red states give.

If the Red states are the God states, then you should know they'll be giving en masse. In fact, I see it already.

The blue states WANT other people to give for their cause. By other people, that means they want the government to do it with tax dollars. Just not...their...money.

I love hearing a lib call someone hypocritical... makes my day.
 
2004-12-30 10:39:47 AM
If you are in the UK, give to UK based charities. They will claim back the income tax you paid on the cash (min 28%) and use that as well. I.e. you give 100, they get 128.

I gave to Oxfam, they seem not to be corrupt.
 
2004-12-30 10:40:39 AM
Don't confuse opinion and truth.
 
2004-12-30 10:41:05 AM
img src "http://guilds.outpost10f.com/~film/reviews/films/sci-fi/images/st5.jpg"

why is god angry?
 
2004-12-30 10:41:22 AM
wilbret:

The blue states WANT other people to give for their cause. By other people, that means they want the government to do it with tax dollars. Just not...their...money.

Great, except for the fact that the "blue states" pay more in taxes, so tax dollars ARE their dollars... ;)

//get over it, you're not morally superior because you think some people who voted for the same guy as you gave 2% more to a relief effort...
 
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