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2004-12-30 09:20:47 AM  
Forgot to give the link where I donated:

Donate
 
2004-12-30 09:20:58 AM  
URANUS
"how terrible it is for nations where the per capita income is around $40.00 per month not to give to the impoverished US."

Valid. Any support would have been appreciated and the opportunity was there to step up, but we certainly did/do not need it as much as these poor people.
 
2004-12-30 09:21:57 AM  
GustoBlusto: SEND NO MONEY TO TSUNAMI NATIONS

Most people are asshats, including other nations.

If you feel some compassion, and you want your money well spent, then donated to people like the Red Cross. The US government is looking to set up an ad hoc organization with Japan and Australia to handle relief efforts in the area. I don't know if or how the UN is involved in this piece, but I think it's a good idea.
 
2004-12-30 09:22:08 AM  
GustoBlusto:

When four hurricanes hit us Floridians during this past summer, the United Nations never showed up to help. Perhaps they were simply gathering their resources to help the victims of the next disaster somewhere other than on U.S. soil. Then again, maybe not, since they are now screaming for money to help the tsunami victims and going so far as to call the United States "stingy" in our response.


Well, there is the slight difference that less than 100 people died in Florida (or thereabouts), they were predictable events days ahead of time that happen yearly, and most of the recommendations are to give to established Aid groups, which are not corrupt...

They don't just mail envelopes of cash to the affected areas, they actually use it to pay for supplies and efforts...
 
2004-12-30 09:22:22 AM  
1864 Cyclone leaves 50,000 dead in India.
1898 India cyclone kills at least 175,000.
1942 Cyclone hits Calcutta, India, leaving 40,000 dead.
1942 Cyclone hits Calcutta, India, leaving 40,000 dead.
1970 Cyclone and tidal wave hit Bangladesh, killing 500,000.
1991 Cyclone and tidal surge in Bangladesh kill 138,000.

Let's be honest, this is par for the course... and it'll be Cyclone season soon enough!
=Smidge=
 
2004-12-30 09:22:37 AM  
Ouroborus
there are other states on the east and west coasts besides california and new york


There are? When did this happen? I guess I must've missed the grand opening.

Thanks for the geography lesson. I'll have a look into them.
 
2004-12-30 09:22:37 AM  
Almost started crying after seeing that pic cthu1hu
 
2004-12-30 09:24:22 AM  
cthu1hu
That's a powerful image. Wow. Jesus. I can feel my heart breaking.
 
2004-12-30 09:24:46 AM  
I don't know how they can skew these numbers. There's a guy who lives near me whose sister lives in Sri Lanka. Out of a town of 3,000, only 30 are still alive.

And this is just the beginning. As soon as the cholera and dysentary starts to filter into these places, the totals are going to climb exponentially. What makes me sad is that people are going to get so desensitized to the insane numbers of people dying that it's just going to turn into a political flamewar here.

Know what people? This just isn't about us.
 
2004-12-30 09:24:54 AM  
puremanx

inappropriate. please take it elsewhere, fella.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:06 AM  
I hope Mr. Stefan Johansson contracts HIV and dies a terrible death...

Stefan Johansson, a 41-year-old air force officer from Sweden, is hoping tonight is the night. He is not concerned about aftershocks hitting the beach less than a kilometre from here, or about the haphazard rescue operation under way in southern Thailand.

Nor is he worried by the deaths of several hundred compatriots. Mr Johansson is anxious that the bar girl he has his eye on is going to keep holding out on him. "I'm having a good holiday," he said. "I went for a walk along the sand this morning, did a bit of swimming. Now I'm off drinking, and then we'll see."

Mr Johansson is not alone. Four days after the tsunami hit, normal life has returned to much of Phuket and surrounding resorts such as Patong. The girlie bars are reopening, the bazaars selling fake Rolex watches are busy, the tourists are streaming off flights and onto the beach. Here the request by the Thai Prime Minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, for the country to wear black and forgo New Year festivities seems likely to fall on deaf ears.

"I heard what was going on with the wave and so on, and I just thought it was a bit of an exaggeration," said Peter Anstiss, 48, from Sydney, as he shared a beer with his brother in a bar off Patong Beach's main drag. "I didn't think too much about it."

At Phuket's airport, Pornthip Sucharitcharan was preparing to welcome 200 new arrivals on behalf of the Phuket Hilton. Yesterday, 200 guests were due to fly in to stay at the hotel.

The only problem, as far as Mr Sucharitcharan was concerned, were delays to commercial flights by the unprecedented number of aircraft landing at the airport. The congestion was caused by aid flights coming in and planes bearing the dead, injured and badly shaken, going out.

Thousands of Thais are thought to have been killed when their flimsy bamboo homes were destroyed.

Many remote fishing villages are yet to be reached, though reports indicate severe damage. There is also little hard information on the effect of the tsunami on islands to the south of Phuket.

Yet the luxury Royal Lighthouse Villas is booked up for the rest of the season, and has had no cancellations following the disaster. And the sprawling Diamond Cliff Resort, set on a bluff directly above Phuket's debris-strewn Patong beach, welcomed 136 new guests.

One new arrival at the Diamond Cliff, who flew in with her family from Moscow on Tuesday, relaxed by the pool. "We are here on holiday, not to be sad," she said. "I know bad things have happened, but it's nothing to do with us."

Back in Patong, Elliot Reid, from Melbourne, was finishing his gin and tonic. "I heard the warning from the Government not to go to Phuket and just thought, f--- 'em," he said. "If your number's up, your number's up. By the time the next one happens in a hundred years, I'll be dead."

The Guardian
 
2004-12-30 09:25:11 AM  
I can't really manage to muster up the sympathy that these people deserve right now, the past week for me has been a sleepless hell. Plus I keep remembering that the hardest hit place was the Aceh province in Indonesia, which is chock-full of radical Muslims who were waging a separatist guerrilla war against the Indonesian government for not being Islamic enough.

I also know that Aceh was chock-full of Indonesian troops trying to quell the uprising by torturing and murdering random people as is their standard MO.

Of course then it hits me that so many have died from this thing in Aceh as well as everywhere else that had nothing to do with anything bad, and were just people trying to go about their daily lives. I dunno I'm just feeling numb about it. I need to sleep off this haze I'm in.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:19 AM  
Are there any agencies that would fly people out there to actually physically do something to help? I always feel like some exec is going to end up with the money people donate.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:44 AM  
i saw a horrible picture on the news of a father carrying his dead son through the water. i think they said he had been dead for several hours. there was nothing but pain on the fathers face.
really farking sucks
 
2004-12-30 09:26:31 AM  
puremanx


You Americans are a bunch of whiners...on one front your blowing people away in Iraq, complaining about consular services, reporting about models and celebs and on the other your chastising people for their "rude" comments and asking others to send money. Send some of your precious WAR DOLLARS you bunch of farken hypocrites!


I'm one patriot who's against the war in Iraq. Our troops have been sent on a fool's errand.

E-mail Bush and complain to him.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:32 AM  
Ok, so we can't donate to the UN or the Red cross as they are corrupt. Earlier I donated through Oxfam, please tell me they are trustworthy.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:32 AM  
After the World Series earthquake, other countries did organize to send recovery forces [the guys who know how to climb into buildings and recover/rescue]. It was declined.

I also believe some international monies were raised, but that is just from my recollection.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:34 AM  
IISJunkie let's keep a perspective

You shouldn't compare war and violence with natural disasters. War is caused by of mankind kind itself and should be prevented by mankind itself (some attempts like diplomacy, arms embargoes, UN and EU have been made), but natural disaster doesn't pick and choose who it strikes we can only work to gether to reduce the effects.

Now we have a chance to show that being human is ultimately about caring about our fellow human beings on our little ball of rock floating in space, instead of oppressing and terrorizing them.
 
2004-12-30 09:27:09 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:

Are there any agencies that would fly people out there to actually physically do something to help?


Doctors without borders, and Americares are already in-country, linkes to them can be found within this thread, or at google's main page...
 
2004-12-30 09:27:45 AM  
GustoBlusto's link

How do you think the "humanitarian assistance" will be audited? The will be no American accountants. There will be no auditors. There will be no distribution plan set up by American planners. There will be no paper trail. There will be no receipts. Where is the expense report?

I know from personal experience that this is complete rubbish. Charities, in order to maintain their charitable status, audit to very high standards indeed and maintain strong paper trails even during emergency relief efforts (where one would hope they could be assumed to be acting for the common good without the necessity for proof to the very highest standards).

Sending money to charities is logical in this instance, since many of the affected areas still have functioning economies inland. It enables local support to function, helps economic recovery and avoids the situation where vast quantities of largely useless resources are poured into an area (as happened post Live Aid).
 
2004-12-30 09:28:37 AM  
Q.Steltanus

Even his countrymen do..I work for an international telecomms company, and most of the staff are shamed by the behaviour of some of their countrymen.

It is terrible to see even the most stoic Germans nearly cry...
 
2004-12-30 09:28:46 AM  
bbcrackmonkey

If tables were turned and you were in need, would you want people to set aside politics and ideology to help you?
 
2004-12-30 09:28:59 AM  
demoralizer
Yes, Mercy Corps is another fine organization, and they made my short-list as well. From what I've read, you can't go wrong giving to them, AmeriCares or Docs w/out Borders.
 
2004-12-30 09:29:00 AM  
Oh yes, and to everyone reading this thread:

The death toll will be higher than any official statistics released in the end, simply because there will be so many people dead and everyone who knew that person existed will likewise be dead. There will be so many people missing whose families are also missing. Towns and boats that aren't on the map and people didn't know about will now never be known.
 
2004-12-30 09:29:28 AM  
Does anyone know of any video of this thing actually hitting in any major way? I found some videos on a few news sites that show waves hitting, but they seem pretty damn tame for something that caused this much damage. They flood some streets, and take out some grass huts, but they don't seem that scary. Where's the videos showing the really big waves?

Hollywood lies.

Those "little" waves you saw are all it took. Hi, meet reality.
 
2004-12-30 09:30:48 AM  
underdog, of course I'd want people to set aside politics and ideology. It's just when I read it was Aceh that civil war was the first thing I could think of after reading a column about it in War Nerd.

Like I said in my earlier post, these people deserve sympathy and help, I just can't give them either right now due to the brain fried, insomniacal state I'm in.
 
2004-12-30 09:31:37 AM  
I 2nd or 3rd or whatever the idea that comparing this to 9/11 is stupid. Natural disasters and acts of man are apples to wax oranges comparisons.

On the pentacostal minister: fark him. Im a christian of an evangelical/fundamental nature and that is just complete idocy. I think of the risen Christ's thrice given order to Peter: "Feed my sheep". They need more than just food right now.

I havent made my donation yet, I like to make an end of year donation to lifewater, but they arent an emergency org. However, I am sure that this area will need long term water support after the initial disease phase is thru. I may still make my donation to them.

I knew the numbers were going to hit 6 figures, now Im worried that it might hit 7 before all is done.
 
2004-12-30 09:31:57 AM  
Q. Steltanus:
This happens in Asia where most of the population is non-white and the one pic everyone remembers in the papers is a white kid. I guess it's the only thing whitey can relate too and it motivates more whites to send money, so it works. Dead foreigners are like cattle or fleas and only garner sympathy if they die on mass. Morons.
 
Ike [TotalFark]
2004-12-30 09:31:58 AM  
I understand that people will build wherever they can for a number of difficult reasons, but really, so much of this could be avoided if countries simply disallowed building other than port facilities near coastal regions. Idiot developers put multimillion-dollar homes right on the beach in FL, after they get done raking away the wreckage of a similar home destroyed in that season's hurricanes. I'm fairly certain that climatology and oceanography is sufficiently advanced to be able to identify consistently dangerous coastal areas all over the world. And we wouldn't need so many homes if populations were somehow curbed, but that's not a subject anyone's comfortable dealing with. Tsunami are not really predictable events, and the magnitude in this case is extraordinary, but the thing I find sad is the fact that no one will learn anything from it. Houses will go back up, urged on by the asinine suggestions of "rebuilding" your life by attempting to recreate it, and eventually it'll happen again. I'm not saying these people were at fault in any way, just that the extent of loss could be drastically reduced via common sense and a little backbone (in refusing to allow building in most susceptible areas, period, forever) in the future.

/also, stop heaping abuse on the people who express that they don't care. That's their choice to make, and in attempting to enforce yours on them you become an even worse specimen yourself.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:27 AM  
BuzzBoy

Before any of you open your wallets to the Red Cross for this terrible event, I suggest you read the article at the link below. This is about what happened to all the funds the Red Cross collected for the 9-11 victims.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.htm

The average victim would have gotten $167,000 but after the Red Cross got their hands on the money, less than $3000 filtered down to each of the victims.

It certainly changed my "donation" habits.


Thanks for that bit of information, I did not know that. It's important to make sure the monies given don't go into some beurracratic's fat pockets, the aid should go directly towards helping the survivors.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:39 AM  
Those "little" waves you saw are all it took. Hi, meet reality

and if you doubt this take an ordinary jug of water and pour it out over any patch of soil . check effect. multiply.

water is some of the most powerful stuff on earth.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:50 AM  
Those "little" waves you saw are all it took.

Correct. Also, anything higher probably killed anyone who was around to video them.

Btw, there was mention of thirty foot waves a couple days ago.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:14 AM  
Damn. Leave it to Mother Nature to remind us of how farking puny and fragile humans are. Despite the deaths, I'm sure a lot of survivors are showing their strength at a time like this.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:14 AM  
Lord folks, can't we keep politiking [sic] out any thread? I know this is Fark, but Jeebus. Death is tragic whether it is caused by war, nature, or just bad luck.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:43 AM  
bbcrackmonkey:

Oh yes, and to everyone reading this thread:

The death toll will be higher than any official statistics released in the end, simply because there will be so many people dead and everyone who knew that person existed will likewise be dead. There will be so many people missing whose families are also missing. Towns and boats that aren't on the map and people didn't know about will now never be known.



That is probably the saddest thing I've read on this thread, except for Ch1thu's picture...

Mother Nature is cruel.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:50 AM  
neurotic: 1/3rd said to be children, too.

How does that compare to the fraction in the general population of the affected area? I've always wondered about that when I see that kind of stat tossed into a discussion of X Giant Tragedy, and what it says about age distribution vs. survivability in an acute disaster (and immediate aftermath).
 
2004-12-30 09:34:19 AM  
This is like what? One civil war battle worth of deaths?
 
2004-12-30 09:34:29 AM  
To put this number in perspective I grabbed the GIS data that I have on my desktop and did a quick poll of it for cities in the U.S. that have between 110,000 and 120,000 people. I came up with:

Eugene, Oregon
Sterling Heights, Michigan
Gary, Indiana,
Peoria, Illinois
Elizabeth, New Jersey
Independence, Missouri
Topeka, Kansas
Overland Park, Kansas
Alexandria, Virgina
Santa Rosa, California
Concord, California
Hayward, California
Sunnyvale, California
Santa Clarita, California
Moreno Valley, California
Fullerton, California
Orange, California
Irvine, California
Beaumont, Texas
Pasadena, Texas

This is what the world lost. A number of it's population approximately the size of one of these cities disappeared in the blink of an eye. Everyone say a prayer for those that were lost, those that survived, and for yourself that you're still here.

Tomorrow belongs to no one.
 
2004-12-30 09:34:44 AM  
BBB is warning that scam artists are already trying to capitalize from this. Give donations to funds you trust.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:05 AM  
115,000 dead. Thanks God (you prick)
 
2004-12-30 09:35:17 AM  
For everyone wondering how such little waves did so much damage, consider how much force a strong wind has. Sometimes it's hard to walk into a heavy gale. Now increase the density (and therefore the force) 1000 times. We all know how much damage wind can do in hurricanes, tropical storms, and tornadoes- this was 1000 more force than the worst of them.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:19 AM  
This is a huge concentrated loss of life that should bother any normal sensing fellow human being. It is unfortunate that even today people do not value humans equally regardless of differences.

Yes, there is a lot that could be done to prevent future fallout from such disasters that wasn't done due to socio/economic reasons (it's not only about money - try caste system, education, basic technology.)

I have friends that work for aid organizations who travel around the world to teach people to grow food on hills without destroying the hills using tiers or how to make basic tools and such. Give your money now and keep giving so that my friend can reach other people with the knowledge they need to do better.

A co-worker of mine knows a guy whos sister's pastor eats babies.....I call bullshiate. In sunsday school they teach the story Jesus told about the good Samaritan (a social outcast/halfbreed from Samaria) who stopped to help a man that others ignored. Jesus lauds this man as being a good neighbor and obeying the second commandment; "love thy neighbor as thyself". So if this story were true then the man who said it is not representative of Christianity by a long shot.

All and all, this disaster just shows how weak we really are. I hope everyone is humbled and saddened.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:29 AM  
Yeah geez guys, all I see are these tiny little waves. Where are those 30 foot walls of water moving at the speed of sound?

While I'm at it I think I'll request live and up-close footage of the Hiroshima explosion.
 
2004-12-30 09:36:22 AM  
puremanx: i am sorry you are such a hateful, jealous little troll man...try to put that energy to better use by helping out/donating/encouraging donations. You can make an impact
 
2004-12-30 09:36:25 AM  
W says he can kill more iraqis with his bombs than God can with his "natural disasters". Game On.

/Already donated.
 
2004-12-30 09:36:35 AM  
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2004-12-30 09:36:54 AM  
Here are some quick facts about the affected area:

East of Tsunami:

Solomon Islands Total Population is 523,617

Andaman Islands Total Population is 314,239

Nicobar Islands Total Population is 42,026

West of Tsunami:

Sri Lanka's Total Population is 19,905,165

Sumatra N/A

Out further West:

Chagos Archipelago Islands & Diego Garcia Native Population is 3,000

Maldives Total Population 298,000


It was difficult to find regional population stats. Obviously not all parts of Sumatra were affected, for example, only the Northwest tip. Perhaps someone smarter than me will figure it out.

Sources:
CIA World Fact Book

World Maps at U. Texas

PRB.org

Wikipedia.org
 
2004-12-30 09:36:58 AM  
116,000. That's a BIG number right there. And with all the people now homeless, a lack of fresh water or food, hospitals destroyed or completely full anyway... And the US is sending all of 35 million in aid??? We spend somewhere around 130 BILLION on Iraq (I think that's approximately the figure on factcheck.org near the election), a country where they don't want us or our "Help", and now when a region of the world is truely in need of some money and assistance, we send 35 million???? I feel suddenly and deeply ashamed of my goverment.
 
2004-12-30 09:37:06 AM  
puremanx

You're projecting. By this, I mean people who are a$$holes think everyone else is like them.

How did you become so morally superior?

oh wai
 
2004-12-30 09:37:55 AM  
Wilbret

Great ref.
 
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