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2004-12-30 08:32:59 AM  
Who needs a hug?

Besides me?
 
2004-12-30 08:34:08 AM  
hug hell, more like a drink or three
 
2004-12-30 08:34:28 AM  
thats a very descriptive headline
 
2004-12-30 08:34:33 AM  
Crap on a crap cracker
 
2004-12-30 08:34:49 AM  
This is 38.333 times as devastating as 9/11!
 
2004-12-30 08:34:50 AM  
Ouch.

It was bad at 7000. This is just absurd
 
2004-12-30 08:34:51 AM  
I submitted the same headline yesterday when it was at only 70,000. This is truly a terrible day.
 
2004-12-30 08:34:56 AM  
Boy is the superintendent's going to be pissed.
/going to hell first class
 
2004-12-30 08:35:05 AM  
Well damn, I sorta expected it but it's still a gruesome thing.
 
2004-12-30 08:35:15 AM  
That number is absolutely mind-boggling.

I think that Fark as a community should pull together and do something. Any ideas?
 
2004-12-30 08:35:27 AM  
i've a feeling it's just going to keep on climbing.
 
2004-12-30 08:35:45 AM  
/jaw drops
 
2004-12-30 08:35:45 AM  
This, really, really sucks.
 
2004-12-30 08:36:33 AM  
YouDummy -- With a side of french-fried crap and a creamy crapcicle for dessert.
 
2004-12-30 08:36:39 AM  
I think that Fark as a community should pull together and do something. Any ideas?

We should ship them more people.
 
2004-12-30 08:36:48 AM  
1/3rd said to be children, too.

totally gruesome, awful awful awful
 
2004-12-30 08:37:06 AM  
woah.
 
2004-12-30 08:37:23 AM  
Alsace

Alright! So who can we invade for this?
=Smidge=
 
2004-12-30 08:37:59 AM  
The dead are gone. Consider doing something to help the ones who are alive. Americares.

Has anyone else been struck by the placidity of the water as it moves on shore in the videos? It just doesn't stop.
 
2004-12-30 08:38:04 AM  
This is Old Testament kind of wrath
 
2004-12-30 08:38:04 AM  
U.N. says Bin Laden "stingy" on tsunami relief

NEW YORK, Dec. 30 (Rooters) -- In a prepared speech today, U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland rapped terrorist kingpin Osama Bin Laden for his "stingy" response to the Indian Ocean tsunamis that killed close to 100,000 people earlier this week.

"It is beyond me why Bin Laden is so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "The terrible impact of this disaster should remind the son of a wealthy Saudi businessman like Bin Laden of how many people need his help."

Egeland blamed U.S. President George W. Bush for Bin Laden's failure to provide more relief aid. "If Bush hadn't done so much damage to Al Qaeda in the past few years, Bin Laden would have the resources to really make a difference. Hopefully the world will now see just how misguided America's 'War on Terror' really is."

Egeland also lamented the recent passing of Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat, who he said "would certainly have donated large sums of money to the needy."
 
2004-12-30 08:38:05 AM  
Good God.

Entire islands swept clear...

*shudders*
 
2004-12-30 08:39:39 AM  
wow... just wow...
 
2004-12-30 08:40:12 AM  
George Bush declares War on Temblor
 
2004-12-30 08:40:13 AM  
My hyper religioius sister-in-law is using this to fuel her "end times" tirade. I told her things like this have happened throughout history. She refuses to believe me. God, why couldn't have you taken her instead?
 
2004-12-30 08:40:32 AM  
the magnitude of this tragedy is unfathomable.
 
2004-12-30 08:40:53 AM  
I heard yesterday, Indonesia's major export is petroleum and oil. Why didn't we "liberate" them?!? Heck, look what a big wave did.
 
2004-12-30 08:40:55 AM  
And it's going to get a lot worse when the dysentery and cholera kick in. Send your money now.
 
2004-12-30 08:41:47 AM  
I just woke up, and as usual, decided to check Fark. This headline was the first ever to make me curse, shed a tear, donate some money, and post a reply. Good job, submitter.

The News Flash tag has now seen its saddest headline ever.
 
2004-12-30 08:42:41 AM  
:(
 
2004-12-30 08:42:46 AM  

If anyone would be real concerned about something like this happening again (a 9.0 earthquake, I mean), you'd have to think it would be Californians. Can't even begin to imagine the death toll in that state if it ever got hit by a 9.0 earthquake.


I bet this will go all the way to 200,000.

 
2004-12-30 08:43:35 AM  
Alsace,
nah, nutjobs killing for religious reasons is waaay more devastating than god almighty doing it just for kicks.
 
2004-12-30 08:44:31 AM  
Not Biblical, but certainly a huge amount of deaths associated with a force of nature.

Here we are thinking we're all tough with our nukes, when the earth can shake us off like a dog shedding water. Humbling.
 
PTK
2004-12-30 08:44:40 AM  
Jesus..rip. Merry farkin christmas. :\
 
2004-12-30 08:45:01 AM  
the magnitude of this tragedy is unfathomable.

That's basically all you can say. It's so sad.
 
2004-12-30 08:45:08 AM  
I saw the video of the wave coming into shore..funny thing is that it didn't look that bad at all..it looked like a 20 foot wave..nothing special..the satellite images didn't look bad either..strange..looks can be decieving..How large was the wave and how far inland did it plow through?

If I hear one more story about a model surviving..I'm gonna scream..

115,000+ people just gone..*sigh* How do they know that many people lost their lives? Did they count the bodoes or did they go off of missing persons reports? How do they tally?
 
2004-12-30 08:45:32 AM  
What's worse is that the toll will continue to rise as disease, starvation and malnutrition kick in. I wish I were religious enough to be able to pray for them.
 
2004-12-30 08:45:33 AM  
2004-12-30 08:41:58 AM HappyDaddy [TotalFark]

moops

Why not take one opportunity to act like an adult. Just one. You might like it. Exercising discretion is an example. There are others - but that would be a good one to try first


There are two very assholeish comments on this board so far, and you go with the one that wasn't dickish or cold at all about invading Iran?

Right.

Scroll up, reread the comments.. Lets play "Which of these things doesn't belong here."
 
2004-12-30 08:46:22 AM  
We could use someones paypal account to collect donations and then decide as a group (voting) which charity could use the money. I would gladly volunteer and follow any guidelines set forth...
 
2004-12-30 08:47:14 AM  
I saw one video from inside a resort. You see a couple people get swept away when someone tries to rescue them-- it's quite safe to assume they died. I don't have a good host but if anyone else would like to host the wmv I'll send it. I think it's about 10 megs.
 
2004-12-30 08:47:26 AM  
Greenbeanx

It's not the height of the crest, it's how much water is behind it. When the wave crashes on the beach and just keeps on rising, that's when the problems start.
 
2004-12-30 08:47:43 AM  
sidgoop -- Your sister in law's argument is probably based on the "birth pains" theory. It is not that such events have happened before, it is that they happen with increasing frequency, ala' birth pains. The closer together, the closer you are to the birth event, in this case the messiah's return.

Have not checked on the frequency of such events, just letting you know that is probably what she is basing her thoughts on.
 
2004-12-30 08:47:52 AM  
It would be cool to send something from "The Fark Community"... Anyone have an advance on the Paypal idea?
 
2004-12-30 08:48:02 AM  
There's a very graphic picture I saw this morning, of bodies washed up on shore.

The children, and the babies...

I think of my 4 month old daughter, and it makes me want to cry.

Up to this point, I've been able to keep relatively distant from this. Seeing it in pictures, and reading some of the blogs... it's very, very sad and scary.

That picture will haunt me for the rest of my life.
 
2004-12-30 08:48:13 AM  
But only one Kenyan. How'd that happen?
 
2004-12-30 08:48:16 AM  
sidgoop:

My hyper religioius sister-in-law is using this to fuel her "end times" tirade.

End Times? I wish. Then we'd get some closure at least.

tom_strong:
Pumping up the figures to get more money and attention.

You don't have a lot of friends, do you?
 
2004-12-30 08:49:06 AM  
sidgoop

Just ask your hyper religious sister-in-law what proportion of her entire wealth she is donating to the relief effort to ensure she isn't going to hell.

Jesus would probably quite like her to sell *all* her belongings and donate it all, no? especially since we are so near to the end of the world.

Should be good for a laugh.
 
2004-12-30 08:49:10 AM  
mostlycrap
It would be cool to send something from "The Fark Community"... Anyone have an advance on the Paypal idea?

I don't have anything more to add, but I'd be with it 100%.

What was done in the past for things like this? I know there were some outpourings for other events (sick farkers, etc).
 
2004-12-30 08:49:31 AM  
Sobering that so many can die of a natural disaster in this modern age. I think the all time high for natural diasters was a 17th century earthquake in China that killed something like 300,00. That took some doing, since the country was a spread out rural configuration (no big modern cities)

Hey, it could have just as easily been us. If La Palma goes, then the East coast gets wacked. If the big island of Hawaii goes (the east side is cracking, and will break off one day), the west coast gets wacked.
 
2004-12-30 08:49:43 AM  
The News Flash tag has now seen its saddest headline ever.

Until the next increased update... Unfortunately.
 
2004-12-30 08:49:50 AM  
Actually skinink California is really really farking rich, and because of that buildings are built to withstand earthquakes. Granted a 9.0 would cause some deaths but nothing near the 100,000 range.

/A tsunami however..
 
2004-12-30 08:50:05 AM  
In CNN's story this morning, they have a soundbite from a victim asking, "Where is America?"

No doubt, this is a tragedy, but what the hell are we supposed to do? Fly thousands of aid workers out there to further deplete their supplies? Give everyone a shiny new Ford? Fly backward around the Earth like Superman to prevent the tsunami?

We can't snap our fingers and put everything back the way it was. If you believe that, you've been buying in to the American PR machine a bit too much.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-12-30 08:50:23 AM  
skinink

I think Oregon and Washington have more to worry about. The Cascadia subduction zone lets loose a magnitude 9 earthquake about every 300 years. The last one was on January 26, 1700. We know the exact date because the resulting tsunami was five meters high when it hit Japan and was recorded there. National Geographic has a summary.
 
2004-12-30 08:50:32 AM  
This is all truly sad.

And to all the people who are trying to make this a flamewar thread, don't worry. Your kind will take over Congress and the Presidency after the Rapture.
 
2004-12-30 08:50:40 AM  
After the cholera and dysentary, there're gonna be over a quarter million dead.

Holy farking shiat!
 
2004-12-30 08:50:55 AM  
CNN must be creaming their pants, they get to have a deathfest, showing rotting bodies, etc, their favorite.

For the first 10 hours after the event they dedicated about 30 seconds to a minute to it when they though 3000-7000 non white people died.
 
2004-12-30 08:51:04 AM  
 
2004-12-30 08:51:19 AM  
errata:

300,000
disaster
current life
 
2004-12-30 08:51:41 AM  
Imagine what would have happened if it had hit say the East Coast
 
2004-12-30 08:51:51 AM  
I sense the infinity symbol soon to be added to this post

/this is sad - thats a hell of a lot of people
 
2004-12-30 08:51:59 AM  
sidgoop:

My hyper religioius sister-in-law is using this to fuel her "end times" tirade. I told her things like this have happened throughout history. She refuses to believe me. God, why couldn't have you taken her instead?

Tell her about the 830,000 killed in China in 1556, or the 650,000 believed to have died in a 1976 China quake. Those two alone make this look like peanuts in terms of "end times" events.
 
2004-12-30 08:53:42 AM  
I honestly don't intend this as a troll, but this number really doesn't surprise me. Considering how many people live in that corner of the world, and including the fact that towns and cities very often are located on rivers and coastlines, I'm actually surprised that the number didn't reach six digits much earlier.

I just hope it doesn't reach into seven digits, which it might before the affected region can support itself again.
 
2004-12-30 08:53:53 AM  
On the main page, on the right, there is a link about donating through a paypal account.
 
2004-12-30 08:55:09 AM  
That's too many, God.

Please stop now.
 
2004-12-30 08:55:21 AM  
someone really outta give these poor people swimming lessons
 
2004-12-30 08:55:25 AM  
Well...I am totally willing to organize this. I would be happy to set up a simple webpage with a link to "donate in the name of Fark."

We would:

1. Need to decide before hand which charity the money would go to
2. Be set a deadline

There are plenty of other Farkers here at Ball State...It would be best to get them involved so we have two or three person integrity on this end to assure everyone this is on the up and up...

-MAB
 
2004-12-30 08:55:47 AM  
Thanks, Korb, that's what I was talking about.

/lame with numbers
 
2004-12-30 08:56:05 AM  
In CNN's story this morning, they have a soundbite from a victim asking, "Where is America?"

No doubt, this is a tragedy, but what the hell are we supposed to do? Fly thousands of aid workers out there to further deplete their supplies? Give everyone a shiny new Ford? Fly backward around the Earth like Superman to prevent the tsunami?

We can't snap our fingers and put everything back the way it was. If you believe that, you've been buying in to the American PR machine a bit too much.


Unfortunately, the more we act like we can do anything without anyone's help, the more people believe it.
 
2004-12-30 08:56:17 AM  
That should be "Set a deadline" not "Be set a deadline"
 
2004-12-30 08:56:20 AM  
Pray for the families, the people trying to survive, and the brave people bringing aid to this area.
 
2004-12-30 08:56:37 AM  
I go to bed... 77,000

I wake up... 115,000


who's the ass that pissed off mother nature ?!
 
2004-12-30 08:56:41 AM  
That figure is like the entire city of Albany, NY and the surrounding capital district just dropping dead at a moment's notice. That's some crazy perspective.
 
2004-12-30 08:56:45 AM  
Saw some satelite pics of when the water receded from the beach in one spot. My only comment is how the hell could you see the waterline recede 300 yards and not think something horrible was imminent? Supposedly some people ran out on the newly created "beach" to check it out!
Hell of an end to a farked up year. Let's hope we can all do what we can to help the survivers; and that 2005 is a sight better.
 
2004-12-30 08:56:56 AM  
Does anyone happen to know how far inland the tsunami affected? Like, if this were to hit the East or West Coast of the United States, what states behind New York/California would be flooded as well?
 
2004-12-30 08:57:35 AM  
I have a co-worker who is a Southern Pentocostal. She said that the pastor of her church remarked that since those people were not Christians that they deserve no sympathy. I really, really want to make a visit to this church and beat the shiat out of him in front of his entire congregation. I have never in my life heard of any Christian being so callous and cold in regards to one of the biggest natural disasters in history. It makes me sick to my stomach that a man in his position would forget everything his bible taught him about tolerance and not judging. I sincerely hope that these survivors get the aid they need to continue their lives and pray that the world can minimize the casualties from lack of food and disease.
 
2004-12-30 08:57:43 AM  
Korb:

Tell her about the 830,000 killed in China in 1556, or the 650,000 believed to have died in a 1976 China quake. Those two alone make this look like peanuts in terms of "end times" events.

or the 60+ million killed in WW2.

world isn't ending, it was a tidal wave - it sucks, but it happens.
 
2004-12-30 08:57:47 AM  
That number is simply unfathomable.
 
2004-12-30 08:57:48 AM  
Wow--and you Florida Farkers thought those hurricanes were bad....

There's already talk a nuke was detonated that caused the earthquake--exactly one year after this quake in Iraq. I kinda doubt it, but in this day and age, who knows anymore.

Over a hundred thousand...the Titanic disaster and 9/11 combined pale compared to this.... :(
 
2004-12-30 08:58:38 AM  
tornadoes in SoCAL ?
 
2004-12-30 08:58:45 AM  
If drew or the mods set up a link to an aid account I'd give up some loot.

I wouldn't trust the rest of you, probably spend it on booze or drugs...which is what I'd spend it on anyway.

Maybe we should just post some links to monetary aid sites that are already set up?
 
GSC
2004-12-30 08:59:06 AM  
the number keeps rising like an ebay auction.
i wonder who will buy it.
 
2004-12-30 08:59:13 AM  
You know you can make donations online to groups like "Doctors without borders" and the money goes direct from your credit card or debit card to their account. I think the credit companies and banks give a special rate to those organizations so if you like send 5 dollars they get 4:98 and not 4:85 like might normally happen. I challenge all farkers, er at least those old enough to have bank accounts to go for it. It cannot hurt to try.

BTW, has anyone given any thought to the idea of what happened here as a NATURAL disaster and our great and glorious governments want to keep their hands on nuclear bomb triggers?
 
2004-12-30 08:59:28 AM  
Show a little love folks, be you christian or not.
google.com and redcross.org are good places to start.
/gave $100
 
2004-12-30 09:00:03 AM  
2004-12-30 08:40:12 AM NubianzWithAttitude
George Bush declares War on Temblor

I hate to admit it, but that was funny.

2004-12-30 08:47:52 AM mostlycrap
It would be cool to send something from "The Fark Community"... Anyone have an advance on the Paypal idea?

I believe this is already being done by someone (I think his name is spookcomix). You can use PayPal. As of yesterday, they had raised over $700 and counting. I think there's a Fark classified on it. All $$ going to AmeriCares, which (as HappyDaddy will attest) is a top-notch organization and well-suited for this type of relief effort.
 
2004-12-30 09:00:09 AM  
That would probably work better...
 
2004-12-30 09:00:33 AM  
can we stop trying to compare natural disaters to man made ones?

Its really stupid.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-12-30 09:01:21 AM  
Like, if this were to hit the East or West Coast of the United States, what states behind New York/California would be flooded as well?

There is an equation which roughly approximates the runup distance but I won't be able to find it before this thread dies. IIRC, if you live below the tsunami height and less than 100 times its height inland, you're in trouble. Terrain type matters -- rough land and buildings slow the wave more than plains.
 
2004-12-30 09:01:33 AM  
wow, some of the comments are really ..in bad taste..but this is fark.
im not to sure on the numbers, maybe counting twice some missing person reports. i just dont see how they could have a real number that high, that fast.
/or could be just wishfull thinking on my part............
i hope their wrong
 
2004-12-30 09:01:45 AM  
Flipper the Dolphin - keep your fairytales and inflammatory comments to yourself.
 
2004-12-30 09:01:51 AM  
Awesome...glad we are doing something...:) Ignore the earlier posts...
 
2004-12-30 09:01:59 AM  
Everybody just remember to donate. If the toll is now 115000 with money we can save tens of thousands and give some comfort to hundreds of thousands maybe millions.

Some communities that survived lost pretty much all their kids.

I donated 100 Euros, but now it seems pretty insignificant, but hopefully many of you will/have done the same.
 
2004-12-30 09:01:59 AM  
I do have a PayPal account. I volunteer to take up a collection. My e-mail address is l­ex-r­a­[nospam-﹫-backwards]ooha­y*c­om.

Now we need to vote on a charity. If they take PayPal, great--you guys can just send it there. Otherwise I can just write a check and send it.
 
2004-12-30 09:02:13 AM  
can we stop trying to compare natural disaters to man made ones?

Its really stupid.


Yes, please, for the love of God.
It's farking annoying and I feel like crying anyway.
 
2004-12-30 09:02:23 AM  
mostlycrap
Here is my contact info if anyone has suggestions on how to get the ball rolling:

maboylebsu.edu


It sounds like there's not a lot of support here, unfortunately.

There is a link in the Classifieds already set up.

I think it'd be great to get the Fark folks to set something up - any mods/admins around that can offer their $0,02?

And, for what it's worth, if there was ever a time not to feed the trolls, this would be it. You can't stop people from being idiots, but you can stop paying attention to them.
 
2004-12-30 09:03:04 AM  
I realize a lot of people perished in this earthquake but let's keep a perspective.

The bombs devastated both cities. About 70,000 people died at Hiroshima and about 40,000 at Nagasaki, and many thousands more were injured.

We kill more people in 8 seconds than the earthquake did in a day. Mother nature has yet to beat that.

I think they skew the numbers a bit because it helps with humanitarian relief and disaster aid the more people dead the more money is given. Plain fact.
 
2004-12-30 09:03:22 AM  
sidgoop: Give her a copy of The Pessimist's Guide to History

Things like this HAVE happened before. It still sucks.
 
2004-12-30 09:03:29 AM  
what charity does everyone recommend?
 
2004-12-30 09:03:41 AM  
ForrestRump

That's awful, and probably the least Christian thing I've ever heard of. I'd like to punch that guy in the nuts.
 
2004-12-30 09:03:54 AM  
"And to all the people who are trying to make this a flamewar thread, don't worry. Your kind will take over Congress and the Presidency after the Rapture."

Thank God for that!
 
2004-12-30 09:03:55 AM  
kjm2477
On the main page, on the right, there is a link about donating through a paypal account.

I looked, yet could not see?
Am I blind again?
 
2004-12-30 09:04:08 AM  
Bowen

it was a tidal wave

Actually it was a tsunami. Has nothing to do with tides.
 
2004-12-30 09:04:12 AM  
Does anyone know of any video of this thing actually hitting in any major way? I found some videos on a few news sites that show waves hitting, but they seem pretty damn tame for something that caused this much damage. They flood some streets, and take out some grass huts, but they don't seem that scary. Where's the videos showing the really big waves?
 
2004-12-30 09:04:19 AM  
Korb

Or the plagues in the middle ages...there was talk of the world ending then too, and with greater reason. Nah, it'll be humans that kills us off for good, not nature.

I'm not an athiest, but I think that any God that exists must have better things to take care of then one tiny planet in a vast universe. *shrug* shiat happens, help the survivors.
 
2004-12-30 09:06:31 AM  
Found it:

http://www.writerscafe.net/donations.html

This is the link that's in the classifieds.
 
2004-12-30 09:06:33 AM  
IISJunkie

I commend thee on your trollish mastery.
 
2004-12-30 09:06:37 AM  
" have a co-worker who is a Southern Pentocostal. She said that the pastor of her church remarked that since those people were not Christians that they deserve no sympathy."

Yeah, that is big now in the fundie community. They were obviously judged by God, so helping them is defying his will.
 
2004-12-30 09:07:04 AM  
Link to a whole bunch of charities:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/tsunami.aidsites/index.htm​l

Take your pick (Doctors w/o Borders sounds good to me).
 
2004-12-30 09:07:13 AM  
Chibisuke


Does anyone know of any video of this thing actually hitting in any major way? I found some videos on a few news sites that show waves hitting, but they seem pretty damn tame for something that caused this much damage. They flood some streets, and take out some grass huts, but they don't seem that scary. Where's the videos showing the really big waves?


Well, I'd think that someone would be RUNNING from the huge waves, not standing there shooting a video. They'd probably be swept away if they were standing there.

Just my thoughts.
 
2004-12-30 09:07:31 AM  
I looked, yet could not see?
Am I blind again?


Apple's home page has some links.

Ineffable.
 
2004-12-30 09:07:52 AM  
Steve French
"At first I thought the 115K was how many Bush has killed in bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla ..."


Really, I hate Bush as mush as the next patchouli smelling hippie, but your comment was pretty weak. Meet me in a Bush bashing thread about the bad economy, more than enough ammo to attack his record without trying to tie him to a disaster.


Please, us libs don't need your help to look dumber than we already do.

 
2004-12-30 09:07:58 AM  
I actually posted a request yesterday (under the "survey" tag) on what charities to send money to that would get the most money to the victims, but it didn't get greenlighted. Perhaps we can use this thread instead. Any suggestions? This is absurd, I can't even imagine it. If there is a god, please stop this.
 
2004-12-30 09:07:59 AM  
Alexandra: I'd be willing to bet there are already many donation places available that people can give. Now if we want this to have some impact as "from fark" then it needs to go through someone like Drew.. Are you listening Drew.
 
2004-12-30 09:08:01 AM  
That would be like everyone in my hometown dying 6 times over. Terrible.
 
2004-12-30 09:08:14 AM  
HotWingConspiracy


" have a co-worker who is a Southern Pentocostal. She said that the pastor of her church remarked that since those people were not Christians that they deserve no sympathy."

Yeah, that is big now in the fundie community. They were obviously judged by God, so helping them is defying his will.


How the fark does HE know they're not Christians? They're fellow human beings--that alone makes them deserving of compassion!
 
2004-12-30 09:08:29 AM  
ben zona: Actually it was a tsunami. Has nothing to do with tides.

really? i hadn't heard 'tsunami' being tossed around on TV.

Thanks.
 
2004-12-30 09:08:43 AM  
On the bright side:
1. Many jobs from reconstruction projects.
2. Won't have to deal with pesky tourists for a while.
3. Population problem? Solved.

/profit
 
2004-12-30 09:08:55 AM  
Alexandra , no there are some out there, people just had no idea what was going on, and gawked........thats one of the reasons so many died, they had no clue.....
 
2004-12-30 09:09:03 AM  
posted, as I think (feel) its relevant:

http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/fairchild_monster.htm

faith goes out the window when you see god not caring about us. not one whit, it seems, when it really gets down to it.

/oh sure, he helps athletes on the field, but, ...
 
2004-12-30 09:09:50 AM  
This makes me so glad that I am living in the vast waste land in the tundra where nothing happens here besides cold and snow. No earth queakes, hurricanes, Tsunamis or nothing.
 
2004-12-30 09:09:54 AM  
Not to slant Spookcomix...what he.she is doing is awesome. I just thought the suggestion was for Fark to donation something as a group. That would be really cool. Looking at Spookcomix's page, I realize that I am not the person to do this. My web skills are luke warm at best. It would be great if Drew could set up a link for us...
 
2004-12-30 09:10:15 AM  
Does anyone happen to know how far inland the tsunami affected? Like, if this were to hit the East or West Coast of the United States, what states behind New York/California would be flooded as well?

there are other states on the east and west coasts besides california and new york
 
2004-12-30 09:10:44 AM  
I donated 100 Euros, but now it seems pretty insignificant, but hopefully many of you will/have done the same.

Don't think your contribution to be insignificant. Multiply it times the number of people who did the exact same thing. And encourage others to do as you did.

Each small candle lights a corner of the dark.
 
2004-12-30 09:10:49 AM  
Well, I'd think that someone would be RUNNING from the huge waves, not standing there shooting a video. They'd probably be swept away if they were standing there.

Just my thoughts.



The video I saw was shot from the top of a study beachfront hotel.
 
2004-12-30 09:11:20 AM  
2004-12-30 09:07:52 AM skinink

One of the smartest comments I have heard all year. Finally someone calling out their own members to stay on track here and not do some awful political trolling.

Good show old man
 
2004-12-30 09:11:26 AM  
the suckage is bound to continue for some time to come.

dead bodies are terrible things to leave lying around unattended. Disease will follow.the numbers will grow because of this.This kind of thing is the closest in scale and effect that mother nature can get to nuclear war.

give of your time, give of your money.

give a fark for a change.....i saw this in the floods in mazambique...the pics on TV don't begin to do the reality justice. what you imagine is truly awful - multiply tenfold and you're 1% there.
 
2004-12-30 09:11:39 AM  
God I can't type!
 
2004-12-30 09:11:46 AM  
Raise you hand if you have already donated to a relief agancy.

/raise

I gave to americare yesterday, I think I will double that today
 
2004-12-30 09:11:55 AM  
correction: a "sturdy" beachfront hotel
 
2004-12-30 09:12:05 AM  
Here is an interesting op-ed. I don't endorse it, just bring it up for discussion:

SEND NO MONEY TO TSUNAMI NATIONS
By: Robert Sentry

http://www.etherzone.com/2004/sent122904.shtml

When four hurricanes hit us Floridians during this past summer, the United Nations never showed up to help. Perhaps they were simply gathering their resources to help the victims of the next disaster somewhere other than on U.S. soil. Then again, maybe not, since they are now screaming for money to help the tsunami victims and going so far as to call the United States "stingy" in our response.

In addition, President Bush never sent direct monetary aid to those individuals affected in Florida. At best, some low interest loans may have been made available once FEMA did what it could. Have you ever wondered why we do not offer low interest loans to those affected in foreign disasters? Why do foreigners always get our tax dollars--in cash--when U.S. citizens after an American disaster are offered low interest loans?

Here is a press release from the Small Business Association just a few days ago regarding Florida:

The U.S. Small Business Administration has approved more than $1 billion in low-interest disaster loans to about 33,600 residents and business owners in the areas affected by the late-summer rash of deadly hurricanes and floods.

The SBA makes low-interest disaster loans to homeowners, renters, and non- farm businesses of all sizes. Homeowners may borrow up to $200,000 to repair disaster damaged primary residences. Homeowners and renters are eligible for loans up to $40,000 to replace personal property such as furniture and clothing. Loans of up to $1.5 million are available to eligible businesses of all sizes and non-profit organizations to repair damage to real estate, machinery, equipment and inventory. Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDLs) of up to $1.5 million are also available to small businesses unable to pay bills or meet operating expenses. Interest rates can be as low as 3.187 percent for homeowners and renters and 2.9 percent for businesses, with terms up to 30 years. Loan amounts and terms are set by the SBA and are based upon each applicant's financial condition.

Why are we sending these nations cash instead of issuing loans at 3.187 percent, as we did for Floridians?

Anybody who has kept up with the United Nation's "Oil for Food" program knows that money designated for "humanitarian causes" is just a smokescreen for creating a few select millionaires or billionaires, the corrupt officials in the target nation. It will be no different with the nations who suffered the tsunami disaster.

When you file an expense report for your work, you need to attach receipts showing your dinner bill, your toll charges, etc., and sometimes, if you drove, the number cruncher at your employer will go so far as to check your mileage you reported by using Mapquest, just to keep you honest.

How do you think the "humanitarian assistance" will be audited? The will be no American accountants. There will be no auditors. There will be no distribution plan set up by American planners. There will be no paper trail. There will be no receipts. Where is the expense report?

Once we send the blank check, we do not even know who will be in charge for disbursements. Indonesia has said that they have islands that are so remote that they cannot even count the dead. A logical question is then if Indonesian officials cannot even get into much of their disaster area, what logistics are in place to get aid into those areas?

What is the cost of rebuilding a mud hut? What is the cost of burying a dead cow? When we give hard cash to these nations, there is nothing other than trust that the nation receiving it will help their needy in an honest fashion. We just want to believe that some people in some far away land has a Mother Teresa personality and would never think about pocketing a few hundred thousand, or a few million dollars. In the case of Sri Lanka, a nation that just refused aid from Israel because "they are Jews", we have to believe any trust placed in Sri Lanka to distribute the "humanitarian cash" is baseless.

I have to wonder what will cash buy once it gets to Nicobar Island, Sumatra, Aceh province, and even more remote places. Will they be able to buy clothes or food? What if the clothing stores and food suppliers have been destroyed? Besides, looting has already broken out in Indonesia. Is cash really what is needed?

Sending money to these nations is just another item in the long list of wasting American tax dollars. When Doctors Without Borders show up, they will do some immediate good. Supplies of mosquito nets, water, food, clothes and basic need items will help. For some reason, American taxpayers continue to allow our nation to send millions of dollars of cash to foreign nations that will only make a few corrupt officials very rich. Yes this is a tragedy and we are all sorry for the loss of life and suffering. The response to any foreign disaster should be physical supplies of needed items, machinery, know how, and volunteers.

Sending foreign aid in cash under normal circumstances is normally a total waste. Sending cash in the midst of chaos following a natural disaster is even more idiotic as it makes it just that much easier for the corrupt officials to pocket the money.
 
2004-12-30 09:12:29 AM  
On an astronomical scale this disaster is indeed insignificant IISJunkie. Nonetheless, I get pretty upset when I see pictures of dead bodies floating in the sea.
 
2004-12-30 09:13:34 AM  
Mr_Fabulous
Don't think your contribution to be insignificant. Multiply it times the number of people who did the exact same thing. And encourage others to do as you did.

Well said. Very well said.

No amount is too small, no contribution is insignificant.
 
2004-12-30 09:13:42 AM  
oops, meant this link (but the other is also 'good').

http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/acts_of_god.htm
 
2004-12-30 09:15:08 AM  
I just found out this morning the corporation I work for is donating one million dollars to the aid effort. See not all corporations are bad.
 
2004-12-30 09:15:26 AM  
FYI - Drew and the Fark folks are apparently looking into options to set something up.
 
2004-12-30 09:15:50 AM  
GustoBlusto

how terrible it is for nations where the per capita income is around $40.00 per month not to give to the impoverished US.
 
2004-12-30 09:16:51 AM  
In 1931 the Yangtze(sp) river in China flooded and resulting in 3million + deaths as a result of the flood and starvation.

Rapture theology and theory is a steaming pile of dung and those who believe it should find an island to share the end of the world with other likeminded nutjobs.

A good history book about times when people thought the end of world was at hand due to man made and natural disasters is The End Of The World by Otto Friedrich.
 
2004-12-30 09:17:25 AM  
Reporter: I'm here with Mother Nature. Mother, can I call you mother?

Mom Nature: Certainly

Reporter: What an incredible scene of destruction Mother. Over 100,000 dead...and the number is sure to go higher. Great game today...

Mom Nature: First I gotta give props to god for allowing me the ability to wreak some truly major havoc in the fourth quarter of 2004, for a while there it didn't look like I was making much progress...not alot came out of the hurricane plays that were called early in the game this year...just a lot of property damage...but that last play...Wow!

Reporter: Wow indeed!

Mom Nature: I'd just like to add a little "Osama who?" to the party, know what I mean? Suck-ah thought he was a bad ass a couple seasons ago...but my record is still intact. I say to all bipeds looking to get in on this hot action...I own this shizzle dog!

Reporter: Shizzle indeed...shizzle indeed...
 
2004-12-30 09:17:43 AM  
Please, us libs don't need your help to look dumber than we already do.

Sure you don't need it, but where's the fun in that?
 
2004-12-30 09:17:55 AM  
Personally, I blame the musicians. How come there is no aid concert or melodramatic song out yet to help raise money? Where are the attention whores who love doing this kind of thing?

Sending our love down the well, all the way down the well.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:24 AM  
Americares is a good choice for donations. They provide medicine and are able to leverage donations many times over. As I'm sure many of you have read, cholera, hepatitis, and other sanitation related diseases are the biggest threat for the immediate future.

There is no way to stop some people from acting and talking like childish fools. The grownups can do something to help these people.
 
CB
2004-12-30 09:18:31 AM  
GustoBlusto

Interesting article. Instead of money maybe we should be sending in the Corps of Engineers. They could be getting the infrastructure up and running again while the Red Cross etc. take care of the human needs end of things.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:34 AM  
My brother and I sailed in Phangnga Bay off Phuket in 1994 and have been heartsick to imagine the vulnerability of lovely people we met --

-- including the kids in the Muslim fishing village on rickety stilts on Ko Yoa Yai and the New Zealander Gary who baked us fresh bread on Racha Yai to take with us on our journey, and "Mama" on Krabi who cooked us fish.

These people's homes face in the direction of the oncoming tsunami.

My first book describes this sailing adventure and 11 other journeys and hopefully captures some of the loveliness of the areas around the Indian Ocean.

I've asked Drew about setting up a classified offering FREE copies of my Asia-themed book to the first 250 kindly Farkers who donate to Americares. He has agreed!

The link describing the offer is here.

I'm not sure how long it will take until the classified is posted.

We can as a group probably raise even more money (congratulations to all Farkers who have already given) for the aviation fuel bill or something to help AmeriCares do its work in South and Southeast Asia. They have already landed in Sri Lanka.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:35 AM  
grateful_net

HWA was in the religion "business" for one thing--money. The guy was a millionaire.

Sad to say, I was part of that cult for a few years. Now I'm a Bible-believing Christian (that's fundie to you).

There's no reason why you can't help your neighbor. Some say it's the will of God. Be that as it may, God may also be presenting an opportunity for people to help.

BTW I don't think much of Pentecostals. They really need to re-read Acts chapter 2.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:43 AM  
When four hurricanes hit us Floridians during this past summer, the United Nations never showed up to help. Perhaps they were simply gathering their resources to help the victims of the next disaster somewhere other than on U.S. soil. Then again, maybe not, since they are now screaming for money to help the tsunami victims and going so far as to call the United States "stingy" in our response.


What an asshole. The US has the wealth and resources to help itself. The countries affected by this disaster do not.


Anybody who has kept up with the United Nation's "Oil for Food" program knows that money designated for "humanitarian causes" is just a smokescreen for creating a few select millionaires or billionaires, the corrupt officials in the target nation. It will be no different with the nations who suffered the tsunami disaster.

Then don't give $ to the UN. Give to the Red Cross, or Doctors w/o Borders, or any number of reputable charities.

What is the cost of rebuilding a mud hut? What is the cost of burying a dead cow?

The ignorance is just overwhelming here.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:46 AM  
I contributed some cash to this disaster. This is truly a sad thing to see. I wish I could have given more.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:48 AM  
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2004-12-30 09:19:00 AM  
koniver:

I just found out this morning the corporation I work for is donating one million dollars to the aid effort. See not all corporations are bad.


Even Martha Stewart went to China. Or something like that.
 
2004-12-30 09:19:12 AM  
Heh - according to Mr. Sentry the kindest thing on can do is to ignore the suffering completely and turn to another channel.

At least until they have a local business owners association to disburse any needed funds as resonably-priced loans.
 
2004-12-30 09:20:16 AM  
I, for one, would like to add Mr. Robert Sentry to the "Desperately Needs a Cock-Punch" list.

That article might even qualify him for a "Douche-Nozzle of the Year" nomination.
 
2004-12-30 09:20:18 AM  
Before any of you open your wallets to the Red Cross for this terrible event, I suggest you read the article at the link below. This is about what happened to all the funds the Red Cross collected for the 9-11 victims.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.htm

The average victim would have gotten $167,000 but after the Red Cross got their hands on the money, less than $3000 filtered down to each of the victims.

It certainly changed my "donation" habits.
 
2004-12-30 09:20:47 AM  
Forgot to give the link where I donated:

Donate
 
2004-12-30 09:20:58 AM  
URANUS
"how terrible it is for nations where the per capita income is around $40.00 per month not to give to the impoverished US."

Valid. Any support would have been appreciated and the opportunity was there to step up, but we certainly did/do not need it as much as these poor people.
 
2004-12-30 09:21:57 AM  
GustoBlusto: SEND NO MONEY TO TSUNAMI NATIONS

Most people are asshats, including other nations.

If you feel some compassion, and you want your money well spent, then donated to people like the Red Cross. The US government is looking to set up an ad hoc organization with Japan and Australia to handle relief efforts in the area. I don't know if or how the UN is involved in this piece, but I think it's a good idea.
 
2004-12-30 09:22:08 AM  
GustoBlusto:

When four hurricanes hit us Floridians during this past summer, the United Nations never showed up to help. Perhaps they were simply gathering their resources to help the victims of the next disaster somewhere other than on U.S. soil. Then again, maybe not, since they are now screaming for money to help the tsunami victims and going so far as to call the United States "stingy" in our response.


Well, there is the slight difference that less than 100 people died in Florida (or thereabouts), they were predictable events days ahead of time that happen yearly, and most of the recommendations are to give to established Aid groups, which are not corrupt...

They don't just mail envelopes of cash to the affected areas, they actually use it to pay for supplies and efforts...
 
2004-12-30 09:22:22 AM  
1864 Cyclone leaves 50,000 dead in India.
1898 India cyclone kills at least 175,000.
1942 Cyclone hits Calcutta, India, leaving 40,000 dead.
1942 Cyclone hits Calcutta, India, leaving 40,000 dead.
1970 Cyclone and tidal wave hit Bangladesh, killing 500,000.
1991 Cyclone and tidal surge in Bangladesh kill 138,000.

Let's be honest, this is par for the course... and it'll be Cyclone season soon enough!
=Smidge=
 
2004-12-30 09:22:37 AM  
Ouroborus
there are other states on the east and west coasts besides california and new york


There are? When did this happen? I guess I must've missed the grand opening.

Thanks for the geography lesson. I'll have a look into them.
 
2004-12-30 09:22:37 AM  
Almost started crying after seeing that pic cthu1hu
 
2004-12-30 09:24:22 AM  
cthu1hu
That's a powerful image. Wow. Jesus. I can feel my heart breaking.
 
2004-12-30 09:24:46 AM  
I don't know how they can skew these numbers. There's a guy who lives near me whose sister lives in Sri Lanka. Out of a town of 3,000, only 30 are still alive.

And this is just the beginning. As soon as the cholera and dysentary starts to filter into these places, the totals are going to climb exponentially. What makes me sad is that people are going to get so desensitized to the insane numbers of people dying that it's just going to turn into a political flamewar here.

Know what people? This just isn't about us.
 
2004-12-30 09:24:54 AM  
puremanx

inappropriate. please take it elsewhere, fella.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:06 AM  
I hope Mr. Stefan Johansson contracts HIV and dies a terrible death...

Stefan Johansson, a 41-year-old air force officer from Sweden, is hoping tonight is the night. He is not concerned about aftershocks hitting the beach less than a kilometre from here, or about the haphazard rescue operation under way in southern Thailand.

Nor is he worried by the deaths of several hundred compatriots. Mr Johansson is anxious that the bar girl he has his eye on is going to keep holding out on him. "I'm having a good holiday," he said. "I went for a walk along the sand this morning, did a bit of swimming. Now I'm off drinking, and then we'll see."

Mr Johansson is not alone. Four days after the tsunami hit, normal life has returned to much of Phuket and surrounding resorts such as Patong. The girlie bars are reopening, the bazaars selling fake Rolex watches are busy, the tourists are streaming off flights and onto the beach. Here the request by the Thai Prime Minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, for the country to wear black and forgo New Year festivities seems likely to fall on deaf ears.

"I heard what was going on with the wave and so on, and I just thought it was a bit of an exaggeration," said Peter Anstiss, 48, from Sydney, as he shared a beer with his brother in a bar off Patong Beach's main drag. "I didn't think too much about it."

At Phuket's airport, Pornthip Sucharitcharan was preparing to welcome 200 new arrivals on behalf of the Phuket Hilton. Yesterday, 200 guests were due to fly in to stay at the hotel.

The only problem, as far as Mr Sucharitcharan was concerned, were delays to commercial flights by the unprecedented number of aircraft landing at the airport. The congestion was caused by aid flights coming in and planes bearing the dead, injured and badly shaken, going out.

Thousands of Thais are thought to have been killed when their flimsy bamboo homes were destroyed.

Many remote fishing villages are yet to be reached, though reports indicate severe damage. There is also little hard information on the effect of the tsunami on islands to the south of Phuket.

Yet the luxury Royal Lighthouse Villas is booked up for the rest of the season, and has had no cancellations following the disaster. And the sprawling Diamond Cliff Resort, set on a bluff directly above Phuket's debris-strewn Patong beach, welcomed 136 new guests.

One new arrival at the Diamond Cliff, who flew in with her family from Moscow on Tuesday, relaxed by the pool. "We are here on holiday, not to be sad," she said. "I know bad things have happened, but it's nothing to do with us."

Back in Patong, Elliot Reid, from Melbourne, was finishing his gin and tonic. "I heard the warning from the Government not to go to Phuket and just thought, f--- 'em," he said. "If your number's up, your number's up. By the time the next one happens in a hundred years, I'll be dead."

The Guardian
 
2004-12-30 09:25:11 AM  
I can't really manage to muster up the sympathy that these people deserve right now, the past week for me has been a sleepless hell. Plus I keep remembering that the hardest hit place was the Aceh province in Indonesia, which is chock-full of radical Muslims who were waging a separatist guerrilla war against the Indonesian government for not being Islamic enough.

I also know that Aceh was chock-full of Indonesian troops trying to quell the uprising by torturing and murdering random people as is their standard MO.

Of course then it hits me that so many have died from this thing in Aceh as well as everywhere else that had nothing to do with anything bad, and were just people trying to go about their daily lives. I dunno I'm just feeling numb about it. I need to sleep off this haze I'm in.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:19 AM  
Are there any agencies that would fly people out there to actually physically do something to help? I always feel like some exec is going to end up with the money people donate.
 
2004-12-30 09:25:44 AM  
i saw a horrible picture on the news of a father carrying his dead son through the water. i think they said he had been dead for several hours. there was nothing but pain on the fathers face.
really farking sucks
 
2004-12-30 09:26:31 AM  
puremanx


You Americans are a bunch of whiners...on one front your blowing people away in Iraq, complaining about consular services, reporting about models and celebs and on the other your chastising people for their "rude" comments and asking others to send money. Send some of your precious WAR DOLLARS you bunch of farken hypocrites!


I'm one patriot who's against the war in Iraq. Our troops have been sent on a fool's errand.

E-mail Bush and complain to him.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:32 AM  
Ok, so we can't donate to the UN or the Red cross as they are corrupt. Earlier I donated through Oxfam, please tell me they are trustworthy.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:32 AM  
After the World Series earthquake, other countries did organize to send recovery forces [the guys who know how to climb into buildings and recover/rescue]. It was declined.

I also believe some international monies were raised, but that is just from my recollection.
 
2004-12-30 09:26:34 AM  
IISJunkie let's keep a perspective

You shouldn't compare war and violence with natural disasters. War is caused by of mankind kind itself and should be prevented by mankind itself (some attempts like diplomacy, arms embargoes, UN and EU have been made), but natural disaster doesn't pick and choose who it strikes we can only work to gether to reduce the effects.

Now we have a chance to show that being human is ultimately about caring about our fellow human beings on our little ball of rock floating in space, instead of oppressing and terrorizing them.
 
2004-12-30 09:27:09 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:

Are there any agencies that would fly people out there to actually physically do something to help?


Doctors without borders, and Americares are already in-country, linkes to them can be found within this thread, or at google's main page...
 
2004-12-30 09:27:45 AM  
GustoBlusto's link

How do you think the "humanitarian assistance" will be audited? The will be no American accountants. There will be no auditors. There will be no distribution plan set up by American planners. There will be no paper trail. There will be no receipts. Where is the expense report?

I know from personal experience that this is complete rubbish. Charities, in order to maintain their charitable status, audit to very high standards indeed and maintain strong paper trails even during emergency relief efforts (where one would hope they could be assumed to be acting for the common good without the necessity for proof to the very highest standards).

Sending money to charities is logical in this instance, since many of the affected areas still have functioning economies inland. It enables local support to function, helps economic recovery and avoids the situation where vast quantities of largely useless resources are poured into an area (as happened post Live Aid).
 
2004-12-30 09:28:37 AM  
Q.Steltanus

Even his countrymen do..I work for an international telecomms company, and most of the staff are shamed by the behaviour of some of their countrymen.

It is terrible to see even the most stoic Germans nearly cry...
 
2004-12-30 09:28:46 AM  
bbcrackmonkey

If tables were turned and you were in need, would you want people to set aside politics and ideology to help you?
 
2004-12-30 09:28:59 AM  
demoralizer
Yes, Mercy Corps is another fine organization, and they made my short-list as well. From what I've read, you can't go wrong giving to them, AmeriCares or Docs w/out Borders.
 
2004-12-30 09:29:00 AM  
Oh yes, and to everyone reading this thread:

The death toll will be higher than any official statistics released in the end, simply because there will be so many people dead and everyone who knew that person existed will likewise be dead. There will be so many people missing whose families are also missing. Towns and boats that aren't on the map and people didn't know about will now never be known.
 
2004-12-30 09:29:28 AM  
Does anyone know of any video of this thing actually hitting in any major way? I found some videos on a few news sites that show waves hitting, but they seem pretty damn tame for something that caused this much damage. They flood some streets, and take out some grass huts, but they don't seem that scary. Where's the videos showing the really big waves?

Hollywood lies.

Those "little" waves you saw are all it took. Hi, meet reality.
 
2004-12-30 09:30:48 AM  
underdog, of course I'd want people to set aside politics and ideology. It's just when I read it was Aceh that civil war was the first thing I could think of after reading a column about it in War Nerd.

Like I said in my earlier post, these people deserve sympathy and help, I just can't give them either right now due to the brain fried, insomniacal state I'm in.
 
2004-12-30 09:31:37 AM  
I 2nd or 3rd or whatever the idea that comparing this to 9/11 is stupid. Natural disasters and acts of man are apples to wax oranges comparisons.

On the pentacostal minister: fark him. Im a christian of an evangelical/fundamental nature and that is just complete idocy. I think of the risen Christ's thrice given order to Peter: "Feed my sheep". They need more than just food right now.

I havent made my donation yet, I like to make an end of year donation to lifewater, but they arent an emergency org. However, I am sure that this area will need long term water support after the initial disease phase is thru. I may still make my donation to them.

I knew the numbers were going to hit 6 figures, now Im worried that it might hit 7 before all is done.
 
2004-12-30 09:31:57 AM  
Q. Steltanus:
This happens in Asia where most of the population is non-white and the one pic everyone remembers in the papers is a white kid. I guess it's the only thing whitey can relate too and it motivates more whites to send money, so it works. Dead foreigners are like cattle or fleas and only garner sympathy if they die on mass. Morons.
 
Ike [TotalFark]
2004-12-30 09:31:58 AM  
I understand that people will build wherever they can for a number of difficult reasons, but really, so much of this could be avoided if countries simply disallowed building other than port facilities near coastal regions. Idiot developers put multimillion-dollar homes right on the beach in FL, after they get done raking away the wreckage of a similar home destroyed in that season's hurricanes. I'm fairly certain that climatology and oceanography is sufficiently advanced to be able to identify consistently dangerous coastal areas all over the world. And we wouldn't need so many homes if populations were somehow curbed, but that's not a subject anyone's comfortable dealing with. Tsunami are not really predictable events, and the magnitude in this case is extraordinary, but the thing I find sad is the fact that no one will learn anything from it. Houses will go back up, urged on by the asinine suggestions of "rebuilding" your life by attempting to recreate it, and eventually it'll happen again. I'm not saying these people were at fault in any way, just that the extent of loss could be drastically reduced via common sense and a little backbone (in refusing to allow building in most susceptible areas, period, forever) in the future.

/also, stop heaping abuse on the people who express that they don't care. That's their choice to make, and in attempting to enforce yours on them you become an even worse specimen yourself.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:27 AM  
BuzzBoy

Before any of you open your wallets to the Red Cross for this terrible event, I suggest you read the article at the link below. This is about what happened to all the funds the Red Cross collected for the 9-11 victims.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.htm

The average victim would have gotten $167,000 but after the Red Cross got their hands on the money, less than $3000 filtered down to each of the victims.

It certainly changed my "donation" habits.


Thanks for that bit of information, I did not know that. It's important to make sure the monies given don't go into some beurracratic's fat pockets, the aid should go directly towards helping the survivors.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:39 AM  
Those "little" waves you saw are all it took. Hi, meet reality

and if you doubt this take an ordinary jug of water and pour it out over any patch of soil . check effect. multiply.

water is some of the most powerful stuff on earth.
 
2004-12-30 09:32:50 AM  
Those "little" waves you saw are all it took.

Correct. Also, anything higher probably killed anyone who was around to video them.

Btw, there was mention of thirty foot waves a couple days ago.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:14 AM  
Damn. Leave it to Mother Nature to remind us of how farking puny and fragile humans are. Despite the deaths, I'm sure a lot of survivors are showing their strength at a time like this.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:14 AM  
Lord folks, can't we keep politiking [sic] out any thread? I know this is Fark, but Jeebus. Death is tragic whether it is caused by war, nature, or just bad luck.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:43 AM  
bbcrackmonkey:

Oh yes, and to everyone reading this thread:

The death toll will be higher than any official statistics released in the end, simply because there will be so many people dead and everyone who knew that person existed will likewise be dead. There will be so many people missing whose families are also missing. Towns and boats that aren't on the map and people didn't know about will now never be known.



That is probably the saddest thing I've read on this thread, except for Ch1thu's picture...

Mother Nature is cruel.
 
2004-12-30 09:33:50 AM  
neurotic: 1/3rd said to be children, too.

How does that compare to the fraction in the general population of the affected area? I've always wondered about that when I see that kind of stat tossed into a discussion of X Giant Tragedy, and what it says about age distribution vs. survivability in an acute disaster (and immediate aftermath).
 
2004-12-30 09:34:19 AM  
This is like what? One civil war battle worth of deaths?
 
2004-12-30 09:34:29 AM  
To put this number in perspective I grabbed the GIS data that I have on my desktop and did a quick poll of it for cities in the U.S. that have between 110,000 and 120,000 people. I came up with:

Eugene, Oregon
Sterling Heights, Michigan
Gary, Indiana,
Peoria, Illinois
Elizabeth, New Jersey
Independence, Missouri
Topeka, Kansas
Overland Park, Kansas
Alexandria, Virgina
Santa Rosa, California
Concord, California
Hayward, California
Sunnyvale, California
Santa Clarita, California
Moreno Valley, California
Fullerton, California
Orange, California
Irvine, California
Beaumont, Texas
Pasadena, Texas

This is what the world lost. A number of it's population approximately the size of one of these cities disappeared in the blink of an eye. Everyone say a prayer for those that were lost, those that survived, and for yourself that you're still here.

Tomorrow belongs to no one.
 
2004-12-30 09:34:44 AM  
BBB is warning that scam artists are already trying to capitalize from this. Give donations to funds you trust.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:05 AM  
115,000 dead. Thanks God (you prick)
 
2004-12-30 09:35:17 AM  
For everyone wondering how such little waves did so much damage, consider how much force a strong wind has. Sometimes it's hard to walk into a heavy gale. Now increase the density (and therefore the force) 1000 times. We all know how much damage wind can do in hurricanes, tropical storms, and tornadoes- this was 1000 more force than the worst of them.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:19 AM  
This is a huge concentrated loss of life that should bother any normal sensing fellow human being. It is unfortunate that even today people do not value humans equally regardless of differences.

Yes, there is a lot that could be done to prevent future fallout from such disasters that wasn't done due to socio/economic reasons (it's not only about money - try caste system, education, basic technology.)

I have friends that work for aid organizations who travel around the world to teach people to grow food on hills without destroying the hills using tiers or how to make basic tools and such. Give your money now and keep giving so that my friend can reach other people with the knowledge they need to do better.

A co-worker of mine knows a guy whos sister's pastor eats babies.....I call bullshiate. In sunsday school they teach the story Jesus told about the good Samaritan (a social outcast/halfbreed from Samaria) who stopped to help a man that others ignored. Jesus lauds this man as being a good neighbor and obeying the second commandment; "love thy neighbor as thyself". So if this story were true then the man who said it is not representative of Christianity by a long shot.

All and all, this disaster just shows how weak we really are. I hope everyone is humbled and saddened.
 
2004-12-30 09:35:29 AM  
Yeah geez guys, all I see are these tiny little waves. Where are those 30 foot walls of water moving at the speed of sound?

While I'm at it I think I'll request live and up-close footage of the Hiroshima explosion.
 
2004-12-30 09:36:22 AM  
puremanx: i am sorry you are such a hateful, jealous little troll man...try to put that energy to better use by helping out/donating/encouraging donations. You can make an impact
 
2004-12-30 09:36:25 AM  
W says he can kill more iraqis with his bombs than God can with his "natural disasters". Game On.

/Already donated.
 
2004-12-30 09:36:35 AM  
[image from uploads.bestupload.com too old to be available]
 
2004-12-30 09:36:54 AM  
Here are some quick facts about the affected area:

East of Tsunami:

Solomon Islands Total Population is 523,617

Andaman Islands Total Population is 314,239

Nicobar Islands Total Population is 42,026

West of Tsunami:

Sri Lanka's Total Population is 19,905,165

Sumatra N/A

Out further West:

Chagos Archipelago Islands & Diego Garcia Native Population is 3,000

Maldives Total Population 298,000


It was difficult to find regional population stats. Obviously not all parts of Sumatra were affected, for example, only the Northwest tip. Perhaps someone smarter than me will figure it out.

Sources:
CIA World Fact Book

World Maps at U. Texas

PRB.org

Wikipedia.org
 
2004-12-30 09:36:58 AM  
116,000. That's a BIG number right there. And with all the people now homeless, a lack of fresh water or food, hospitals destroyed or completely full anyway... And the US is sending all of 35 million in aid??? We spend somewhere around 130 BILLION on Iraq (I think that's approximately the figure on factcheck.org near the election), a country where they don't want us or our "Help", and now when a region of the world is truely in need of some money and assistance, we send 35 million???? I feel suddenly and deeply ashamed of my goverment.
 
2004-12-30 09:37:06 AM  
puremanx

You're projecting. By this, I mean people who are a$$holes think everyone else is like them.

How did you become so morally superior?

oh wai
 
2004-12-30 09:37:55 AM  
Wilbret

Great ref.
 
2004-12-30 09:38:03 AM  
Man, this is just awful.
 
2004-12-30 09:38:20 AM  
this is still low... final tally is going to be around 250K.
 
2004-12-30 09:38:23 AM  
Some say it's the will of God. Be that as it may, God may also be presenting an opportunity for people to help.

wow, god is sure cleverer than I had thought.

create a bunch of death and destruction - BECAUSE HE LOVES US and wants us to help each other.

got it.

any other gems?
 
2004-12-30 09:38:31 AM  
Looks like mother nature finally said "phuket".
 
2004-12-30 09:38:41 AM  
puremanx

You probably want to stop right there, but I know you won't.

The images that are sticking in my mind are those of the piles of bodies being bulldozed into mass graves because there isn't time to bury them individually due to the threat ot disease. The images of rows upon rows of local dead children, some infants, layed out in makeshift morges. The images of scores of children that are now orphans, their parents, grandparents uncles and aunts all swept away by the rushing water.

It sounds to me like you need to go live a few more years before you decide to pass judgement on anyone.
 
2004-12-30 09:39:12 AM  
115,000 people?

So that's what?

.01% of the WWII deaths.
 
2004-12-30 09:39:45 AM  
Diego Garcia was protected...they only saw a 6 foot swell in their tides...

/old Navy guy...had friends stationed there
 
2004-12-30 09:39:50 AM  
In 2,000 years this will be in a new chapter of someone's bible. You just watch.
 
2004-12-30 09:40:49 AM  
DaShredda, you can compare any tragedy to World War 2 and say "So what?"

It was f*cking World War Two.
 
2004-12-30 09:41:06 AM  
I gave to Americares.
 
2004-12-30 09:41:19 AM  
"The images that are sticking in my mind are those of the piles of bodies being bulldozed into mass graves because there isn't time to bury them individually due to the threat ot disease."

Terrible yes, but just so you know, there is little risk of disease coming from dead bodies.
 
2004-12-30 09:41:22 AM  
Has anyone ever seen pictures of Diego Garcia? Wierd little atoll. You'd think it would be swallowed up...but there is a deep trench near the Chagos chain that prevented the wave from doing any damage.

/Diego Garcia ia an alternate shuttle landing site
 
2004-12-30 09:41:50 AM  
Leperboy, your picture coupled with cuth1hu's picture, have made me cry, early on a thursday morning. I don't know if I'm going to be able to leave this thread today.

How can people argue differences when so many people have died!? What that Southern pastor said is, I am sure, not solitary.

I wish I weren't unemployed or I would give... but I gotta stay alive so I can help the next time around. :(
 
2004-12-30 09:41:55 AM  
Look at the pretty seashells!
 
2004-12-30 09:42:52 AM  
A squadron buddy just put this # in perspective for me. Think the Vietnam Memorial times 2 for the current number dead. Am really having trouble getting a handle on the number. Most of them are children. I asked Redcross lady taking blood this morning why there were so many children lost & she replied seriously with tears in her eyes "because they are closer to the ground". This is gonna be bad, real bad. I think God should explain real quick why this happened, having serious questions on my faith right now. Buzzy.
 
2004-12-30 09:43:04 AM  
http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/178680

"Sri Lanka rejects Israel relief delegation"

WTF???
 
2004-12-30 09:43:32 AM  
That poll question is bullshiat:

"Could officials have done more to warn about the giant waves that smashed into several countries?"

Sounds pretty biased to me.
 
2004-12-30 09:43:44 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:

Terrible yes, but just so you know, there is little risk of disease coming from dead bodies.


Uh... not with the decaying and the flies and maggots and pestilence and rats and things that carry disease? Not trolling, but how did you come up with that?
 
2004-12-30 09:43:59 AM  
Andyxc

the US is giving 35 million up front. Currently, that tops the list of donations. Not only that, but we're sending people to help keep things under control. Plus, the UN get s a huge chunk of their money from the US.

Know how much the UK has given? $100,000.
 
2004-12-30 09:44:18 AM  
Will all the people comparing this to wars leave the thread? Go on over to www.youareafarkingmoron.com, there is a great message board you guys can jump on and discuss those things.
 
2004-12-30 09:44:22 AM  
DaShredda

115,000 people?

So that's what?

.01% of the WWII deaths.


now add "in one hour"

F*ckwit.
 
2004-12-30 09:44:23 AM  
The charity link just came on the front page...
 
2004-12-30 09:46:32 AM  
So, is Bush still on vacation? Yes? Thought so.
 
2004-12-30 09:46:37 AM  
grateful_net, the reason Sri Lanka is rejecting the Israeli relief delegation is because it is currently in a civil war with a group called the Tamil Tigers, the only non-Muslim group to commit suicide bombings. The relief delegation was made of military members since they are the most qualified, and Sri Lanka didn't want to risk alienating potential Arab donors by accepting Israeli soldiers onto it's soil.
 
2004-12-30 09:46:43 AM  
Another scary thing, the WP was talking this morning about how a disproportionately large # of the dead were men (fishermen, more likely to be working near the water, less likely to run)... so these areas might have hard economic times ahead for a while...
 
2004-12-30 09:46:50 AM  
This past Monday, I received an email reply from a friend of mine, sent on Christmas Eve. When I read the message, saying that he was in southern India with his girlfriend, I immediately feared for their safety- I emailed all of our mutual friends to see if they had heard from him, and after a stressful day of waiting, we recieved the following message:

"Thank you for your emails. We are safe and
have moved inland from eastern coast of India. Please
send this email to anyone you think would give a damn
b/c connections here are very very slow and it is very
very hard to broadcast email.

Did not feel quake but believe it or not we were on
the beach when we saw tidal wave coming along with
everything else on the beach and were able to run to
safety....many behind us not as lucky....I am
collecting my thoughts on this experience and will
send a more detailed email & some photos at a later
date.
This is trully a very sad situation for these people.

Thanks again for caring - Peace & Love"

Besides "wow", all I can really say about this is that I am truly thankful that my friends are ok.


The terrible thing is, it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better after cholera and other diseases start to spread throughout the devestated areas. Sad to say, but just as many people will die from disease as died from the tsunami.
 
2004-12-30 09:47:49 AM  
callielala
WTF? I'm not trying to say we're better than any other place but the EU has pledged more than the US plus member states such as Spain have pledged large amounts.

FYI the UK has so far pledged 15 million pounds sterling (about 29 million USD). Where did you get your data?
 
2004-12-30 09:48:47 AM  
Still...it's not from the Fark Community. Bravo to Spookcomix! Awesome! Just awesome...but it would be great if we could do something as a group...
 
2004-12-30 09:49:36 AM  
"Uh... not with the decaying and the flies and maggots and pestilence and rats and things that carry disease? Not trolling, but how did you come up with that?"

Well, dozens of "experts" have been all over the news saying there is no need for haste (outside of the smell). I doubt rats will be a worry in these areas for awhile. Flies and maggots can be dealt with (and are on a daily basis). The bodies themselves don't carry disease. Unless there was an epidemic going on before hand.
 
2004-12-30 09:50:15 AM  
F*ck, f*ck, f*ck.

Just got word that a buddy of mine from London is missing in Phuket - he was on vacation.

/Gutted
 
2004-12-30 09:50:22 AM  
Try as I might, I can find absolutely no humor in this. I know this is Fark, and it is tradition to make fun of the stories we read, but DAMN, some of you are sick puppies.
 
2004-12-30 09:50:57 AM  
There was a tsunami somewhere recently?
 
2004-12-30 09:51:52 AM  
Blade2567

What did you say about 9/11? There was no warning system in place for airplanes flying into buildings. Should we not have given money?
 
2004-12-30 09:52:11 AM  
I'm sure it goes on but there has to be a special itinerary in Hell for people who steal releif donations.

Satan: "Hitler, take a century off. I'm going to need all my attention for a while."
 
2004-12-30 09:52:12 AM  
Those waves may not look like much... but have you ever been hit by a chest-high wave at the beach? That packs a serious wallop and it WILL knock you down. Each gallon of water weighs about eight pounds. You've got billions (in this case, possibly trillions) of gallons of water, moving inland at (I could be mistaken, but I think this is about right) 25-30 miles an hour. That's gonna destroy everything in its path.
 
2004-12-30 09:52:16 AM  
From the UN statistics that were reported yesterday morning. I'm sorry if my data is incorrect, but I hate to see people shrugging off an initial 35 million like it's nothing.

The true test of generosity will be the money that is given over time, after this has passed to the backburner and people have found something else to argue about.

Again, since my numbers are incorrect, I apologize. That's what i get for commenting before my first cup of coffee.
 
2004-12-30 09:52:23 AM  
Most estimates indicate that 80% of the missing people are dead and the other 20% are merely separated.
 
2004-12-30 09:52:29 AM  
So, is Bush still on vacation? Yes? Thought so.

WTF? Kofi Annon is on vacation too - what is your point?
 
2004-12-30 09:53:08 AM  
Hitler's definitely getting a little jealous right now...
 
2004-12-30 09:54:02 AM  
Could these numbers be like the 9/11 disaster. When 9/11 first happened the initial total of deaths was in the ten thousands then the final total came to over two thousand. Or is this number going to keep growing and never come back down? I hope they are counting wrong...man that a shame. And its always hot there, I can't even imagine the smell...
 
2004-12-30 09:54:04 AM  
Are there any stats on the disaster relief contributions given to Americares/Red Cross/etc? I hope my faith in mankind is restored but fearful my natural pessimism is correct.
 
2004-12-30 09:54:12 AM  
Amazon also has a place set up on the main page to take donations, and 100% of that goes to the Red Cross. It's also got a tally of how many people have donated and how much they've collected so far. When I put in my donation, they were at almost $4,100,000. It seems to be a good place.
 
2004-12-30 09:54:58 AM  
Bill Gates just donated 3 million dollars to the aid effort.
 
2004-12-30 09:55:17 AM  
 
2004-12-30 09:55:18 AM  
My friend is in India because his girlfriend is a physician with Doctors Without Borders. If any of you are looking for another reputable organization to donate funds for this tragedy, please consider them. Here is a link:

http://www.doctorswithoutborders-usa.org/donate/
 
2004-12-30 09:55:27 AM  
koniver:
Mentioning musicians and aid, I remember an interview with bono the other day I saw and he was saying that the real tradgety was that the band aid money (150 million I think he said) went to countries that were paying that much money a week in interest to first world countries for cold war loans.
 
2004-12-30 09:55:45 AM  
callielala
Know how much the UK has given? $100,000

Who told you that?

The government have already given 15 million and the people so far have raised over 20 million. The EU so far have pledged in excess of 200 million of your worthless dollars.
 
2004-12-30 09:55:56 AM  
DaShredda
115,000 people?
So that's what?
.01% of the WWII deaths.


You think WWII killed 1.15 billion people?
 
2004-12-30 09:55:59 AM  
Family of 4 laying on the beach in Pucket today.
Aren't bodies still washing up onto the beach there ???
[image from smh.com.au too old to be available]

Strange story here saying everything is back to normal and includes these asinine quotes from tourists there:

"I heard what was going on with the wave and so on, and I just thought it was a bit of an exaggeration," said Peter Anstiss, 48, from Sydney, as he shared a beer with his brother in a bar off Patong Beach's main drag. "I didn't think too much about it."

EXAGGERATION??????

One new arrival at the Diamond Cliff, who flew in with her family from Moscow on Tuesday, relaxed by the pool. "We are here on holiday, not to be sad," she said. "I know bad things have happened, but it's nothing to do with us."

Thanks for your sympathy!

Back in Patong, Elliot Reid, from Melbourne, was finishing his gin and tonic. "I heard the warning from the Government not to go to Phuket and just thought, f--- 'em," he said.

How come all these a-holes couldn't have died instead of all the poor people who did?
 
2004-12-30 09:57:14 AM  
2004-12-30 09:51:52 AM underdog


Blade2567

What did you say about 9/11? There was no warning system in place for airplanes flying into buildings. Should we not have given money?



What I am saying is: There was an opportunity to have a warning system in place to prevent the massive scale of human devastation this tsunami caused.

There would have been no way to know to warn people about 9/11...jackass.
 
2004-12-30 09:57:22 AM  
Callielala
I wasn't having a go at you, I just don't like people kicking my country without good reason. No donations are insignificant, I think the earlier poster was merely pointing out that the scales are skued.

From the BBC; funds pledged so far:
EU $44m
US: $35m
Canada: $33m
Japan: $30m
UK: $28.9m
Australia: $27m
France: $20.4m
Denmark: $15.6m
Saudi Arabia: $10m
Norway: $6.6m
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m
Kuwait: $2.1m
Netherlands: $2.6m
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m
Singapore: $1.2m

Not listed here, but I tihnk Spain also pledged $25 mil. earlier today. Spain is not particulary well off as countries go.
 
2004-12-30 09:58:01 AM  
luckyeddie, well I'm very happy for the EU and the UK then. Congratulations on your donation penis being as large if not larger than ours.
 
2004-12-30 09:58:06 AM  
luckyeddie

I apologized for my bad data in my next post. If I could take the comment down, I would.
 
2004-12-30 09:58:15 AM  
THIS JUST IN

Bill Gates donated...wait for it....$3 million dollars! Now we need a foundation to make sure he has enough to eat.
 
2004-12-30 09:58:31 AM  
re: 'the band aid money (150 million I think he said) went to countries that were paying that much money a week in interest to first world countries for cold war loans.'

Is there some way I could donate to Haliburton directly, without all the redundant middlemen?
 
2004-12-30 09:59:11 AM  
As for the misinformed among us who can't figure out how "some little waves" caused so much devestation... those waves were traveling at 200 km/hr.

/feel sorry for those who think "the day after tomorrow" is reality
 
2004-12-30 09:59:21 AM  
ben zoa

it was a tidal wave

Actually it was a tsunami. Has nothing to do with tides.


Have you ever thought about looking at a dictionary before you criticize other people's vocabulary? Otherwise, you look like an idiot.
 
2004-12-30 10:01:02 AM  
Uranus

The author is not talking about 3rd world nations donating money to the US in times of disaster. Instead, where was the UN? And why was the only relief offered to hurriance victims in the form of loans with an interest rate?

CB's suggestion to send in engineers is a good idea.

flypusher713

What an asshole. The US has the wealth and resources to help itself. The countries affected by this disaster do not.

And the Floridians who had their homes destroyed were only given loans at interest to rebuild their lives... this should not have happened.

Of course, when we have the folks at The Guardian writing articles about "callous" people intending to carry on with their vacations, it leads people to think that this is justified.


Mr_Fabulous
your ignorance is showing there.
 
CB
2004-12-30 10:01:06 AM  
The Red Cross will never see another dime of my money since I saw this
 
2004-12-30 10:01:29 AM  
Some data for you perusal and comparison, folks:

Estimated dead from the X-mas quake/tsunami: 115,000 as of today.

Dead from Hiroshima, Japan nuclear attack: 75,000 outright

Dead from Nagasaki, Japan nuclear attack: 73,900 outright

Both nuclear attacks DID produce later casualties due to immediate radiation poisoning and fallout effects.

If the tally from this tsunami exceeds 200,000 it will be more costly in human life than both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
 
2004-12-30 10:01:59 AM  
Mugato
THIS JUST IN
Bill Gates donated...wait for it....$3 million dollars! Now we need a foundation to make sure he has enough to eat.


This is easily the best way to encourage rich people to donate. Give them shiat when they do, and they're sure to keep doing it.

Mow much have you given, Mugato?
 
2004-12-30 10:02:04 AM  
For everyone on the "America isn't sending enough money" kick, also remember that American companies are sending multi-millions in money and supplies. America as a whole is responding.
 
2004-12-30 10:02:14 AM  
bbcrackmonkey
luckyeddie, well I'm very happy for the EU and the UK then. Congratulations on your donation penis being as large if not larger than ours.

Like yourself, I don't like to see my country bad-mouthed.

Unlike yourself, I'm not being an idiot today.
 
2004-12-30 10:05:40 AM  
Where are they getting these numbers from anyway?
 
2004-12-30 10:05:53 AM  
I have a friend in Thailand right now and she told me that she needs me to give her the news....nobody where she is had even heard anything happened. Wow. She was scheduled to fly into Phuket in a week.
 
2004-12-30 10:06:10 AM  
Steve French:

re: 'awful political trolling.'

Yes, isn't it awful when people die?
Well, some people.
Others we just ignore. Pretend they never existed.
No hypocrisy there. Nope.
Carry on...


Its awful when any people die in tragic circumstances. That doesn't give you or anyone else the right to exploit their deaths for your own political agenda. This is one of those times when politics needs to take a back seat for awhile.

When four hurricanes hit us Floridians during this past summer, the United Nations never showed up to help. Perhaps they were simply gathering their resources to help the victims of the next disaster somewhere other than on U.S. soil. Then again, maybe not, since they are now screaming for money to help the tsunami victims and going so far as to call the United States "stingy" in our response.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't recall anyone from the UN calling the US stingy. The asshat from the UN referred to 'Western countries'. Why has the US taken this so personally exactly?

""It is beyond me why we are so stingy. Really. Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least, how rich we have become," he said."

That the guy is an idiot is beyond question. That he should resign for attempting to politicise the situation is IMO also a given, but refer exclusively to the US he did not.
 
2004-12-30 10:06:23 AM  
pharket=fark it

Some of you, who have shown your true colors in past threads, are way over doing the phony sympathy.
 
2004-12-30 10:06:58 AM  
callielala
luckyeddie

I apologized for my bad data in my next post. If I could take the comment down, I would.


I know - unfortunately I'd penned (fingered?) my glib reply before I saw yours.
 
2004-12-30 10:07:06 AM  
[image from smh.com.au too old to be available]

A masked man moves to spray bodies to kill the smell at a temple in Khao Lak, north of the devastated Thai tourist resort island of Phuket. About 600 bodies are piled up there.
Photo: AFP
 
2004-12-30 10:07:31 AM  
Excuse me but, yes, its a catastrophy. Its truly horrible. The loss of life in such a short time...

However, I would not be sympathetic if it were, say, the jersey shore. There would not be such a loss of life as there would be property (unless it was peak summer season..still would there be a warning?). Then there would be the business owners crying fowl and loss. Then the insurance companies and the fraud. And the home renters balking. You get the picture? And would other countries donate and send ships, food, plane, clothing, shelter, fresh water, medical supplies, lumber...? Would a country want to compensate for loss of revenues to the state of nj?

This sounds cruel but...If you want to live next to mother nature and exploit her beauty, there may be a time to pay the piper.

/Mother nature is collecting her due.
//Unfortunately, its the innocent that pay.
///History repeats...Krakatoa, Pompei, Mt St Helens,...Mt Rainer next?
 
2004-12-30 10:07:35 AM  
leper, glad you got it to work. That group getting ready for a wedding.. then 30 minutes later their entire town is swallowed by fast moving water gave a sense of awe. The rest was just painful to watch.
 
2004-12-30 10:07:53 AM  
DONATE PEOPLE

Anything matters!
 
2004-12-30 10:07:55 AM  
I posted a few minutes ago about amazon having taken nearly 4,100,000 in donations. I looked back, not ten minutes later, and they've already gotten another 100,000. Total as of now: 4,189,445.70

Snarfangel- I hope that helps restore your faith (at least a little)?
 
2004-12-30 10:08:23 AM  
Walker: I honestly don't think I could just blithely go and lay out. Vacation be damned - I'd be helping to clean up, find people, whatever.

I guess you can now understand the mentality of the people portrayed in The Beach.
 
2004-12-30 10:08:59 AM  
Prof. Frink

From the CIA's World Factbook entry on Indonesia at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html

0-14 years: 29.4% (male 35,635,790; female 34,416,854)
15-64 years: 65.5% (male 78,097,767; female 78,147,909)
65 years and over: 5.1% (male 5,308,986; female 6,845,646) (2004 est.)

14 seems like a reasonable cutoff age for "children", so 1/3 is probably close to the actual ratio.
 
2004-12-30 10:09:04 AM  
Blade2567
and the sheep leave the thread to give money to idiots that couldn't understand the need for a warning system in 5...4...3...2...

underdog
Blade2567
What did you say about 9/11? There was no warning system in place for airplanes flying into buildings. Should we not have given money?



EXCELLENT example underdog.

Blade = PW3ND

/as you deserve to be, u bastage
 
2004-12-30 10:09:38 AM  
leper, glad you got it to work. That group getting ready for a wedding.. then 30 minutes later their entire town is swallowed by fast moving water gave a sense of awe. The rest was just painful to watch.

Yeah, I agree - saw it on the BBC last night, that wedding group shot is terrifying...
 
2004-12-30 10:10:02 AM  
Crunchy Frog
Sorry to hear about your buddy. That sucks. Hope he is found alive.

FLYNAVY
I asked Redcross lady taking blood this morning why there were so many children lost & she replied seriously with tears in her eyes "because they are closer to the ground".

OK, I'm a pretty stoic guy. But that just made me tear up.
 
2004-12-30 10:10:07 AM  
I rememeber after the Oklahoma City bombing, I had a person in Pittsburgh tell us that "We should just get over it and stop acting like it's a big deal" right after it happened. I thought that was the stupid and most heartless thing I'd ever heard. Then I came into this thread.

First off, this is NOT God's wrath. The world is a gigantic and complex system where things happen, both good and bad. Can't have one without the other. Just seems more slanted towards the bad recently...

I just keep thinking about my family on the beach last year.. Building sand castle's with my daughters. Thinking what I would have done if all the sudden I saw the water reseding..

I'd challenge everyone to not only donate money, but to look at your lives and ask yourself what you can do. We Americans think the money fixes everything. It doesn't. If you haven't had the experience of working in a third world country, you really should. Makes you realize that 115,000 isn't just a number, it's real people in these countries. It's brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, sons and daughters.. Forever gone.
 
2004-12-30 10:10:25 AM  
luckeyeddie, nothing wrong with wanting your country to get it's due for being good and humanitarian.

I just didn't like your "useless dollars" comment, since the decline of the dollar is seriously hurting our economy at the moment. That's why I felt the need to introduce the 'penis' metaphor.
 
2004-12-30 10:10:36 AM  
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore
never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
 
2004-12-30 10:10:37 AM  
Anyone else think that if this had happened a few weeks earlier, you would've told your families and friends not to expect Christmas presents this year, because the money would be going to a much better cause? How many now regret the money you spent, and the money spent on you, this holiday season, when there are so many now who need it so much more?

What lousy, lousy timing. (Not that there's any good time for something like this.)

Deeply ashamed on behalf of America for sending only $35 million in aid. Even more deeply ashamed on behalf of Christianity for idiots like that Southern Pentecostal "preacher." People like him need to read their Bible, especially the part about Simon Magus. Oh, yes, heaven forbid my congregation send money to help out victims of a disaster, just because many of them might not have been Christians (but many were - even if none of the natives were [which isn't true, as Christianity is a world-wide religion], many of the dead were tourists, and most of them were from Western [and thus largely Christian] nations!) - after all, that'd be money that wouldn't be winding up in my collection plate!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
 
2004-12-30 10:11:47 AM  
The rest was just painful to watch.

Thanks for the warning - I won't watch it.

It's sad enough seeing the "statistics" rise, I don't want to see any more individuals perish.
 
2004-12-30 10:11:51 AM  
leperboy

that last shot of the father holding on to his child really broke my heart. even though the numbers are mind-numbing, you can't forget something like that.
 
2004-12-30 10:12:01 AM  
Canadian farkers, I would like to suggest CARE Canada. According to their FAQ, they only spend about 5 per cent of their funds on administrative costs, and they've got a summary of exactly what they're doing to help the countries most affected by the Tsunami.

Just a suggestion, if you're looking for a place to drop some pennies.
 
2004-12-30 10:12:01 AM  
barjockey: WTF? Kofi Annon is on vacation too - what is your point?


He actually came back early ;)
 
2004-12-30 10:12:02 AM  
[image from image.guardian.co.uk too old to be available]

A foreigner wearing a mask to protect himself from disease walks past pictures of dead tourists at Khao Lak, Thailand. Photograph: Pornchai Kittiwongsakul/AFP/Getty
 
2004-12-30 10:12:32 AM  
Phuket is pronounced "Poo-Ket".
 
2004-12-30 10:12:40 AM  
Folks, I believe that most Americans are far more caring, humane, and kind than a few arseholes on this thread. For you people, please visit http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com to get latest updates as well as information on all the agencies you can donate to.

Please give what you can. Every little bit helps. We Asians have lost thousands of our brethren to this tragedy. Hundres of Thousands of families have been wrecked. A few dollars won't hurt you, but may pay for some food and water for a sick child.

If you're still not convinces, just visit http://www.waveofdestruction.org/ for pictures and videos of the destruction the tsunami caused!
 
2004-12-30 10:12:49 AM  
First off, this is NOT God's wrath.

so, he takes credit for the good but dodges the bad?

its all or nuthin. if we thank him for the good, why are we not allowed to curse him for the bad?

/seems somewhat symmetrical to me
//also cancels itself out. like I said, god is imaginary and not real.
 
2004-12-30 10:12:52 AM  
Swiss Colony: TV news just said Spain upped to $65 million.

I'm sure as they assess more, everyone's donation totals will be adjusted. Most likely up.
 
2004-12-30 10:13:11 AM  
Canada has uped its donation to 40 million now

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/29/dart-tsunami041229.​html
 
2004-12-30 10:13:18 AM  
And aint it cool that our compassionate born-again prez has pledged almost as much money as will be spent on his grand inaugeration?
 
2004-12-30 10:13:50 AM  
Re: children
"because they are closer to the ground".

Unfortunately, they are also less likely to be able to swim and have the strength to hold onto trees or climb things onto roofs...

:o(
 
2004-12-30 10:14:27 AM  
spain has pledges $68 million according to CNN.

Viva Espanya!!!!!
 
2004-12-30 10:14:35 AM  
Uplifting story in todays Washington Post about a U.S. Citizen who saved an entire orphanage of children from certain death when the tsunami struck. It's a really interesting article that shows all the things that had to happen in order for him to do this. It was all thanks to his exhaustion the night before which made him not remove the motor from their escape boat like he normally does every night, luck, and some would say divine intervention.
 
2004-12-30 10:15:33 AM  
Blade2567

What I am saying is: There was an opportunity to have a warning system in place to prevent the massive scale of human devastation this tsunami caused.

FYI,

the region never had suffered from such an incident, in living memory... quite unlike the regions that do have such a system in place....

why, dont you build a house of reinforced titanium? the sky may...you know...fall tommorrow, or something....

/walk away u jackass...while you can
 
2004-12-30 10:15:58 AM  
STOP PLATE TECTONICS NOW!!!
 
2004-12-30 10:16:14 AM  
heirloom_tomato
Canadian farkers, I would like to suggest CARE Canada. According to their FAQ, they only spend about 5 per cent of their funds on administrative costs, and they've got a summary of exactly what they're doing to help the countries most affected by the Tsunami.

Sweet - thanks. I feel kinda bad about giving to the Canadian Red Cross after reading the Snopes dirt.
 
2004-12-30 10:16:52 AM  
COMALLite J
I for one am using christmas/holiday money just for this. If there was not a holiday season, i dont think i would have anything to give. Just saying
 
2004-12-30 10:17:01 AM  
GustBlusto

And why was the only relief offered to hurriance victims in the form of loans with an interest rate?

you missed the old "per capita income" bit , dincha?

shall i add "insurance", "pension" and "things you take for granted like fresh running water are hard fought for outside the first world". Let's toss in "existing decent infrastructure" and healthy economy"....

send the army corps of engineers, send some guys with shovels, but help others in need rather than use it as a platform ......HEY.

e-mail from a colleague just in the office in response to one he sent 10 mins ago;

Hi all !

im happy to tell you that until now i received 135 Euro to donate !!!

and you can still give

until tomorrow 2PM, then I will send the (hopefully very high) amount to giro 555

thanks, please make the difference !!!

if you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask..

Stefan



Ahhh, yes ! That's what I'm talkin' about...
 
2004-12-30 10:18:05 AM  
*That donations by country list is interesting. Take Canada and the US for example. Both have pledged near the same amount, but Canada is 1/10th the size of the US. This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?

*Careful how you donate. Consider it an investment. Choose wisely and the return will be astronomical.
 
2004-12-30 10:18:06 AM  
callielala:

Do you know how much I care about how much anyone else has given? Zero. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that others are attempting to help, I'm just saying the US could be using its money much more wisely than it currenly is. We already look like global assholes for ditching the kyoto accords, pissing on nuclear arms treaties by persuing a money-pit of a missile defense shield, and the whole Iraq mess. Now we're going to look like scrooge at christmas by not helping out a bunch of countries, and more importantly PEOPLE, who desperately need the aid. If we aren't there to help the rest of the world when they need it, where will the rest of the world be when we need the help?

http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~ward/papers/La_Palma_grl.pdf - If something like this happens, we may well need foriegn aid ourselves some day.

//works near Boston, Ma
///Hopes it happens on a weekend when I'm not here
////Hopes we get reasonable warning, but when a tsunami like this could move at over 500mph, warning will probably just cause panic, and just as many people will still die, just scared in their cars instead of relaxed in their homes.
 
2004-12-30 10:18:58 AM  
This is what happens when you doubt the might of the "Humunga Kowabunga from Down Unda."
 
2004-12-30 10:19:33 AM  
bbcrackmonkey

Worthless dollars, not useless.

/should have said 'relatively worthless'
 
2004-12-30 10:19:43 AM  
Warning:
Very graphic photograph of Tsunami aftermath in Thailand below

not clickable on purpose: http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2004/december/ogrish-dot-com-tsunami_af​termath. jpg

Here in Holland it seems that many people donate their funds saved for the end-of-year festivities to the relief funds
 
2004-12-30 10:20:17 AM  
if you're in Tennessee and want to help, information is available on some places that you can work with here: linky linky pop pop

scroll to the bottom
 
2004-12-30 10:20:50 AM  
STOP PLATE TECTONICS NOW!

You got a big enough stapler?

-----------------------------------------
PS: Dear Mr. Billionaire Farker (if you exist):

Step 1: give $500 million dollars
Step 2: save lives
Step 3: publish your name and get tons of pussy from girls impressed by your money and kind heart
Step 4: profit! (via orgasms and knowing that you saved lives)

I'd do it, but I need to find $1 billion first...
 
2004-12-30 10:21:02 AM  
The_0tter
What I find intersting is that not only has the EU given funds but also the member states seperately. I'm not sure where the EU money comes from to be honest - from the member states or from funds set aside for aid relife?

I can't believe the Spain pledge. For a country that size that's a lot!
 
2004-12-30 10:21:12 AM  
The Red Cross collects money to help with disasters around the world, not for any specific disaster. Just because the majority of money collected after 9/11 did not go to the families of the event, does not mean that it did not go to a good cause. In addition, the people donating the money were never told it would be used for that purpose. Sometimes, the bigger picture must be looked at.


2004-12-30 09:20:18 AM BuzzBoy


Before any of you open your wallets to the Red Cross for this terrible event, I suggest you read the article at the link below. This is about what happened to all the funds the Red Cross collected for the 9-11 victims.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.htm

The average victim would have gotten $167,000 but after the Red Cross got their hands on the money, less than $3000 filtered down to each of the victims.

It certainly changed my "donation" habits.
 
2004-12-30 10:21:44 AM  
The_0tter --
"*That donations by country list is interesting. Take Canada and the US for example. Both have pledged near the same amount, but Canada is 1/10th the size of the US. This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?"


How many hurricanes and other assorted natural disasters was Canada hit by this year?
 
2004-12-30 10:21:44 AM  
One thought for you out there protesting the small amount given by the US.

How many planeloads of food and meds are other countries sending?

Are other countries setting up an airbase for airlifts?

Are other countries moving aircraft carriers to the scene?

Just asking.
 
2004-12-30 10:23:09 AM  
"This brings a couple of questions, why isn't the US figure 10 times greater and why if Canada can afford equal pledging to the US aren't Canadian the wealthiest sobs on the planet?"

We have too many faith-based initiatives to support. Besides, giving poor people money just enables them.
 
2004-12-30 10:23:10 AM  
I wonder what incentive they have to inflate the number of dead. Who "validates" their numbers?
 
2004-12-30 10:23:27 AM  
grateful_net

Stick with me here. Wrath=Angry. Blaming this on "God's Wrath" means he/she did this because God was "angry"... As opposed to God setting up a system where both happens and letting it work. See the point I was trying to make?

/Wishes some people had better reading skills
//Doesn't believe most farkers exist either..
 
2004-12-30 10:23:44 AM  
Leper's video has a shot of a couple solemnly carrying their two dead children on their shoulders for burial...

It makes me want to leave work right now and hug my baby girl and not let go...

:~(
 
2004-12-30 10:24:14 AM  
2004-12-30 10:01:02 AM GustoBlusto
Mr_Fabulous your ignorance is showing there.

What in God's name are you on about?

No wait, never mind. I don't care. Fine, I'm ignorant. You win. That means you can go away now.
 
2004-12-30 10:25:43 AM  
"Deeply ashamed on behalf of America for sending only $35 million in aid."

COMALite J: Somehow I doubt this is as high as our donation numbers will go. Some Americans are jerks like it's their job, but the rest of us really do try to make up for them.

Current amazon total (I know not all of the people donating are Americans, but still): $4,246,602.00

Though after reading the post by heirloom_tomato I wish it were going to www.care.ca, that seems like a better organization than Red Cross.
 
2004-12-30 10:28:04 AM  
The list of international victims doesn't show us, but Finland has 14 confirmed dead, and latest information is that there is 263 Finns missing. News has been all about the catastrophe for past days, specials and extra news broadcasts. Survivors are being evacuated all the time.

We are a small country and these things hit us hard. It makes me shed a few tears when I see these completely destroyed people come back from the area in the news, some missing family members, relatives, friends...

News just said 120,000 dead now.
 
2004-12-30 10:28:06 AM  
andyxc
If we aren't there to help the rest of the world when they need it, where will the rest of the world be when we need the help?

Probably rolling on the floor laughing our butts off.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:10 AM  
Once again, I am embarassed by my government. The U.S. should be doing a LOT more. Bush's comments in that press conference were stupid. When Spain and Canada show us up...

Today's the day when we sit down with our kids and decide where to donate the charity money we've been saving in our piggy banks. I'm going to double theirs because the one thing I'm afraid of is that the other good causes we usually support will go wanting because of this. I saw it happen to non-profits after 9/11. Time to dig a little deeper...we can afford it.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:14 AM  
We spend ungodly amounts of money to kill Muslims, not help them. Duh.
 
2004-12-30 10:29:39 AM  
Mow much have you given, Mugato?

I'm hoping to wind up giving a few hundred over the weeks. It's no $3mill but it's a helluva larger percentage of my income than Gate's contribution. It'd be like me holding a press conference saying that I'll give but asking if anyone has change for a button.

its all or nuthin. if we thank him for the good, why are we not allowed to curse him for the bad?

I agree with that statement, which is why I do neither. And I beleive in God.
 
2004-12-30 10:30:15 AM  
Lost on the Internet

that said, that's why i'm sending a far greater percentage of actual physical goods rather than cash straight up...
 
2004-12-30 10:30:45 AM  
I miss the Saudi Arabia execution counter.


/window, please
 
2004-12-30 10:31:53 AM  
Ralph Spoil and other libs... what aren't we doing?
Our giving increases as the need increases.

Don't be fooled by DOLLAR amounts. Cash won't do much good right now. Think about the dozens of C-130s landing with supplies, and the manpower we are sending to help. Convert all the help we WILL give, and it will be closer to $1 Billion...just watch.

Put your hatred of Bush aside and think for a moment.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:26 AM  
Can't BELEIVE the CNN Question of the Day was "Could it happen here?". Who gives a FARK?! It happened there! Get off your lazy, blinkered, insular, squelchy middle class butts and send some f&$kin money!
 
2004-12-30 10:32:35 AM  
I tried to watch that video posted by leperboy69, but had to stop it. It was 10 minutes ago, and still, when I think of the hysterical woman holding her dead child, I'm ready to bawl.

I'm sure that the U.S. didn't sign the $35mil check and close the checkbook. When all is said and done, I'm sure my country will pony up plenty more. Not just financially, but like a previous poster said, materials. We'll surely foot the cost or care for relief workers, doctors, engineers, medical personnel, etc. In addition, setting up relief stations and work in the rebuilding effort.

At least the human part of me hopes so.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:36 AM  
Omega Ohm
How many hurricanes and other assorted natural disasters was Canada hit by this year?

Lay off Canada. I for one have the greatest of sympathy for them. Look at who they have to share a border with.

/low blow, but it's only aimed at Omega Ohm's nuts.
//this thread needs a little laughter.
 
2004-12-30 10:32:50 AM  
wilbret:

How many planeloads of food and meds are other countries sending?

3 months worth of supplies soon to be leaving by plane.

Are other countries setting up an airbase for airlifts?

Yep.

Are other countries moving aircraft carriers to the scene?

Dunno.

Just asking.

For what reason? America has done/will do a lot. The UK has done/will do a lot. The UN will do a lot. Why teh need for some kind of competition?
 
2004-12-30 10:32:59 AM  
Another thing to consider about the donations and support provided by the US (in addition to the logistical support, food, airlifts, medicines, engineering/rebuilding - as someone pointed out), is that we have a "charity industry". That's not to say that other countries don't have independent aid organizations - but I doubt they compare to the scale of the charity industry here.

Bush is still callous, but I don't think we're being "stingy".
 
2004-12-30 10:33:15 AM  
Gates gave that donation so he could have a Tax write off at the end of the year...

I think he got involved because of India and Microsoft working together...
 
2004-12-30 10:33:18 AM  
stiff_upper_lip

"I don't believe you are in any way representative of Americans or America."

Thank you so much for realizing that the loudest Americans are not the best representatives of us! Sometimes I swear I'm ashamed to admit I share a country with those blowhards. It's so very good to hear someone say that they don't think we're all like that.

Many, many thanks.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:21 AM  
It is not just our government that donates money. You will see in the end the US will probably wind up donating more money than any other country because we do it through private donation. Individuals and corporations will fill in the rest.

For all of you people still comparing this to Iraq or saying they are ashamed of our government, fark off. Find something else to complain about, this is not it. You just end up looking really stupid in this thread that is talking about human disaster. Some people have friends that are lost overseas and you are making this into a pissing contest over who is donating more money. I am ashamed as an American of people like you.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:29 AM  
Let's be honest - the only people complaining about criticisms against 'America being stingy' are themselves stingy, greedy, sheltered, right wing, pro-tax cut, hypocrite Repukes, Conservatives, and Christians.

They want their tax cuts and golf courses and filet mignon and imported cigars but don't want to shell out a measly $100 to save someone's life abroad. They enjoy the fruits of 3rd world countries labor - from T Shirts ro Hotel resorts, but don't want to donate a dime to help out those nations' economy out of fear, prejudice, or outright racism.

FARK EM ALL. America doesn't need assholes like that, and the rest of us will donate or volunteer what we can on our country's behalf. They do not represent the best of America and never will.
 
2004-12-30 10:34:33 AM  
Couple things:

1) The amount contributed by the U.S. government does not accurately reflect what the U.S. as a country is offering towards this relief effort. Our citizens do not rely completely on their government to do these sorts of things, and we like it that way. Check The Agitator (pops) for an article from yesterday with more information on the %ages and total dollars contributed by citizens. I would venture to guess that the U.S. federal gov't + U.S. citizen contribution total will dwarf all other (not directly affected) nations after this is said and done, as it should.

2) The U.N. receives about half its yearly budget from the U.S (number remembered from long ago, someone else can give the precise %age). Kind of odd to have the U.N. accusing the U.S. and other Western countries of being "stingy" when the U.N. would not even exist in its current capacity without the constant support and involvement of the U.S. In other words, whatever it is currently doing to help is twice what it would be without our moolah.

In short, everyone get over yourselves and concentrate on sending help, not pointing fingers. Bottled water and antibiotics are the primary need.
 
2004-12-30 10:35:04 AM  
"Can't BELEIVE the CNN Question of the Day was "Could it happen here?". Who gives a FARK?! It happened there!"

They are just appealing to their audience. No matter what happens, it's all about America.
 
2004-12-30 10:35:14 AM  
I'm not all that concerned about how much anyone's government is contributing vs. someone else's government. That's the government. They have budgets to deal with, and it's our money they're spending anyway.

You believe it should be more? Make it so. Stick a crowbar in your wallet and make it a little better.

The contributions given by private citizens, organizations and foundations will eventually dwarf those of the governments. So do your part and make with the donations.
 
2004-12-30 10:36:23 AM  
Stiff - that was for people biatching about the $35 mil from the USA. They fail to see the value of other contributions given, when we are sending many other resources to the site.

And as far as I can tell, it is the USA setting up a landing strip, not other countries.

Sure, a country can send some cash... but not ONE will spend as much as the USA when all is said and done, especially when you include private donations.

/No beef with the UK, one of the few countries I respect
 
2004-12-30 10:36:28 AM  
Did someone already start Worried Parents Against Plate Tectonics?
 
2004-12-30 10:37:19 AM  
For those of you wondering what charities to give to, I would suggest giving to those that are the least aggressive if you want more of your dollar to get to the victims.

Allow me to present some anecdotal evidence to support my suggestion. I have a friend who runs a firm that solicits donations for various charities. One night I managed to pry it out of him that depending on the charity, when it's all said and done 10%-40% of what his firm collects gets back to the charity. He does very well for himself doing this. His job, and the job of his employees, is to guilt/charm/manipulate people into giving money and they have a strong incentive to do so - more money in their pockets.

If you're feeling pressured into giving to a charity, chances are the person pressuring you stands to take a large cut. There are other factors to look at when considering who to donate to, but knowing what I know, I wouldn't give to any charity who's representatives come across like used car salesmen.
 
2004-12-30 10:37:23 AM  
Capt. Beefheart

lol good one

wilbret

I am not sure where you get your information, but I have heard multiple relief agency spokespeople say comodities are the worst thing to send and that cash is the best.

Cash can be transferred quickly and put into action to mobilize resources in the region to go to those in need. Commodities take too long to arrive and are not cost effective due to the addtional expense getting them to the needy.
 
2004-12-30 10:38:10 AM  
I think it's a shame that people are gauging various countries on how much money the respective governments are giving.

This is all stemming from the 'government is what makes country x great' line of thinking that I consider so dangerous.

It's nothing for a government to write a massive check. It's not their money.

It's far more telling when the numbers roll in from the citizens, companies, and private organizations that gave money. I'll be far more impressed with those numbers than I will anything else.
 
2004-12-30 10:38:18 AM  
 
2004-12-30 10:38:59 AM  
indyselsa:

Thank you so much for realizing that the loudest Americans are not the best representatives of us! Sometimes I swear I'm ashamed to admit I share a country with those blowhards. It's so very good to hear someone say that they don't think we're all like that.

No problem. I have lots of American friends that I see when I can and write emails/exchange Xmas cards when I can't see them regularly enough. Its very easy to go for America at the moment and confuse its administration or its actions in other areas with its genuinely overwhelming genorosity of spirit or the ideas and opinions of a lot of Americans.
 
2004-12-30 10:39:08 AM  
hahahaha.... whew... saying that Repubs don't give is funny. Someone pull up that giving chart by state, see how the red states give.

If the Red states are the God states, then you should know they'll be giving en masse. In fact, I see it already.

The blue states WANT other people to give for their cause. By other people, that means they want the government to do it with tax dollars. Just not...their...money.

I love hearing a lib call someone hypocritical... makes my day.
 
2004-12-30 10:39:47 AM  
If you are in the UK, give to UK based charities. They will claim back the income tax you paid on the cash (min 28%) and use that as well. I.e. you give 100, they get 128.

I gave to Oxfam, they seem not to be corrupt.
 
2004-12-30 10:40:39 AM  
Don't confuse opinion and truth.
 
2004-12-30 10:41:05 AM  
img src "http://guilds.outpost10f.com/~film/reviews/films/sci-fi/images/st5.jp​g"

why is god angry?
 
2004-12-30 10:41:22 AM  
wilbret:

The blue states WANT other people to give for their cause. By other people, that means they want the government to do it with tax dollars. Just not...their...money.

Great, except for the fact that the "blue states" pay more in taxes, so tax dollars ARE their dollars... ;)

//get over it, you're not morally superior because you think some people who voted for the same guy as you gave 2% more to a relief effort...
 
2004-12-30 10:41:35 AM  
Here we go again, the charities will be getting rich and the needy will get squat...

I wish a real honest charity existed...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:11 AM  
luckyeddie --
"Lay off Canada. I for one have the greatest of sympathy for them. Look at who they have to share a border with."


Being so close, you'd think that aid to Florida would have gotten there a lot sooner. If they got lost sailing to Florida, I'm wondering how long it's going to take for these relief supplies to get to India.

Maybe they should have just driven it to Florida? Do Canadians know they can do that?

Still waiting for the ship to come in...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:22 AM  
macabre

Let's be honest - the only people complaining about criticisms against 'America being stingy' are themselves stingy, greedy, sheltered, right wing, pro-tax cut, hypocrite Repukes, Conservatives, and Christians.

Keep telling yourself that over and over again and soon it may be fact. You're just trying to associate the "stingy, greedy, sheltered" adjectives with the "right wing conservative christians". Which is far from the truth.

Take a trip out of your dorm room someday to a third world country and see the work that missionaries are doing. Sure there are the street corner type but most are building schools, clinics, latrines, etc.. These "christians" are not only putting their money where their mouth is but also their hands, backs, and time trying to help save lives.

So please people, keep the thread on the subject and stop trying to turn this into some Democrat vs Republican thing. The people that died are neither and are not helped by our political rants one bit.
 
2004-12-30 10:42:32 AM  
Going for a quarter million dead before it's all over.. Lots of outlying area's still not checked yet..Disease and starvation will get another 100,000...
 
2004-12-30 10:42:49 AM  
LEPERBOY I CAN'T GET YOUR VIDEO LINK TO WORK. PLEASE HELP!
 
2004-12-30 10:43:34 AM  
joelawyer

They certainly are not as rare as honest lawyers.

/kekeke
 
2004-12-30 10:45:05 AM  
You people trying to inject your partisan party attitudes need to get your heads and your priorities examined. I don't care if you're red or blue. In the face of such a humbling, human tragedy, you should be ashamed.
 
2004-12-30 10:45:34 AM  
Quit arguing about money! We're trying to save lives that have already been shattered, you callous farks!
 
2004-12-30 10:45:54 AM  
NOW is it worse than the iraq earthquake?
 
2004-12-30 10:46:22 AM  
Kyng - exactly!

Glad you see the light.
 
2004-12-30 10:46:27 AM  
I've studiously avoided these infinity threads about the tsunamis, because I knew that they'd be full of nothing but bloviating dipshiats politicizing a human tragedy. Based on what I've seen from the few posts I've bothered to read, I was right.

Congratulations. Your point of view won. Lots of people died, but you've got your political hobbyhorse (left or right) to cuddle up to and keep you warm.

Look, if you think it's the right thing to do, donate some money if you have it. If you don't care to donate, then don't. But for crying out loud, quit making political hay out of a horrible event.

I guess it's just a sign of how great we have it in America that we can be so petty about something so awful.

Now feel free to ignore this and carry on not doing anything meaningful. I'm outta here, in search of folks who can live up to the monniker "human beings."
 
2004-12-30 10:46:50 AM  
This is without a doubt the largest natural disaster in human history.

Obviously body counts were higher in the two world wars, but as for a single event taking so many lives, I'm having a hard time finding a comparison? Hirsohima? The Somme? Dresden?

Watching 60 minutes of coverage on the CBC last night gave me a sense of how bad it was... whole towns abandoned -- totally destroyed, most of the inhabitants killed, and so isolated now that roads/highways/rail were destroyed that aid might NEVER come.

Time to do some serious reflection about how fortunate I am to live in North America.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:26 AM  
Oh yeah and Macabre, I went to a preppy Catholic high-school that worked with a program called "Building With Books" that went into the 3rd world and built new school-houses.

They use your donations to buy the materials then they send over the architect guys and about a dozen people from different high-schools. By the time I had graduated my school, Lumen Christi, had built 3 schools. 1 in India, 1 in Nepal, and 1 in Kenya.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:29 AM  
Once we've donated, can we keep arguing?
 
2004-12-30 10:47:44 AM  
How about we cut the red state/blue state shiat for a second for some good news.

A couple who were scuba diving hit it hit, dove under it and survived. They made it to shore find thier hotel destroyed. They helped out for a while and went home safe.
 
2004-12-30 10:47:53 AM  
I couldn't begin to imagine, so I did a little experiment:

What does 115,000 look like?
http://www.toddbinder.com/toll.aspx
 
2004-12-30 10:48:43 AM  
Diogenes:

You people trying to inject your partisan party attitudes need to get your heads and your priorities examined. I don't care if you're red or blue. In the face of such a humbling, human tragedy, you should be ashamed.

bbcrackmonkey:

Hey douche-bags turning this into a Republican/Democrat flamewar, shut up, tsunamis don't give a shiat what political party you support and neither do the vast majority of us.

Add another to the pile. bbcrack said it best. Nature doesn't care who you are. She'll kill or help you indiscriminatly, and I think we humans should do the same. (Help, that is.)
 
2004-12-30 10:48:59 AM  
Ubergrendle, this is not the largest natural disaster. There have been earthquakes and floods in China, Bangladesh, and India that killed half a million people before. If the death toll rises as much as I think it will, probably to about 300,000, then it will merely be the worst natural disaster in modern times.
 
2004-12-30 10:50:06 AM  
I knew it was only a matter of time before the "our country gave more than your country" childishness turned into "red states give more than blue states".

However, if a misplaced sense of competitive antagonism results in running up the $$ totals, I'm all for it. Bring on the immature triumphalism!

/suck it, Missouri!
 
2004-12-30 10:50:19 AM  
Ubergrendle

from Korb...830,000 killed in China in 1556, or the 650,000 believed to have died in a 1976 China quake.

This is not the largest in human history, but still plenty large.
 
2004-12-30 10:50:42 AM  
Macabre:

"Hater of all things Southern and Midwestern."

Wow, just wow.

I guess it takes a "freethinking liberal" to be so intolerant.
 
2004-12-30 10:51:07 AM  
times like these i wish i could trust charity organizations.
 
2004-12-30 10:51:10 AM  
just for all you people complaining abotu America being stingy:
on average we contribute 40% of all funds and supplies to disaster releif over the world....we only pledged $35 million to begin with because that was the amount currently free in the trelief fund...before GW can give more actual cash he needs Congress to authorize it...he can send actual aid worker like thwe warships which are going to produce freshwater....perhaps it owuld of sounded better if he ahd pledged a grandiose $1 billion (which the us will undoudbtly end up spending) but he instead went with the current real number....the guy who called us stingy was referrign to the fact that the US aid totals in a year don't even equal 1% of its GDP despite the fact they in actuallty far out strip other nations in real amounts......
 
2004-12-30 10:51:18 AM  
terrific toddman...

Staggering, isn't it?
 
2004-12-30 10:51:57 AM  
3) Also, I believe bbcrackmonkey is correct when he says that the true number will never be known. These numbers you are hearing this week are just guesses. It was "11,000", then "23,000", and since then it has doubled almost every day. That's a sure sign that NO ONE understood the extent of the damage, and that casualty counts are just coming in for some areas. Many outlying parts of Sumatra are just now being reached five days after the quake hit, and towns of 10,000 or more may have no more than a few thousand survivors. How can they possible organize an accurate count of their dead? These numbers like 115,000 are merely rough estimates.

The true number of dead will never be known, and in the end, it doesn't really matter what the number is. It's just a number, after all, and an attempt to quantify things that are otherwise incomprehensible. Perhaps it is more important that we remain mindful of the fact that each of those 'ones' that make up that unknowable final number was an individual with a life story and loved ones, just like you and me.
 
2004-12-30 10:52:22 AM  
flatspin

Missionary work is done out of vanity and ego to lure poverty stricken people into believing some phantom God. 'Here, take this bread and water - by the way, did you know Jesus loves you? By the way, here's a Bible for you..." Proselytizing is the name of the game.

Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you.
 
2004-12-30 10:53:11 AM  
Buddah, if you would bother to read... there has been a response to your question.
 
2004-12-30 10:54:10 AM  
The people complaining because Bush is on vacation need to realize that no matter where the president goes, his work comes with him. His phones still work and his advisors and staff still do their jobs.
 
2004-12-30 10:55:35 AM  
macabre --
"Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you."


I have a better idea, hop in and spend some time with some of the misionaries in Central and South America. You'll get a first hand account of just how ignorant you really are.
 
2004-12-30 10:57:58 AM  
Ubergrendle

This is without a doubt the largest natural disaster in human history.


actually, not true:


Black Death (bubonic plague)

There were three major epidemics - in the 6th, 14th, and 17th centuries. The death toll was 137 million victims.


1099 - The Netherlands and England

A combination of high tides and storm waves on the North Sea flooded coastal areas of England and the Netherlands, killing 100,000 people.


1201 -Near East and Mediterranean Sea.

The worst recorded earthquake in history took an estimated 1 million lives.


1556 - China

More than 830,000 people in the Shensi Province, China, were killed by this earthquake. It caused the collapse of caves that people had carved out of cliffs and used for homes.


December 28, 1908 - Italy

Italy's worst earthquake occurred on December 28, 1908, striking both sides of the Straits of Messina and killing more than 200,000. The hardest hit area was the city of Messina, on the northeastern coast of Sicily, where some 84,000 were killed and 90 percent of the city was reduced to rubble.


1931 - China

Flood, Hwang-ho river, China 3,700,000 died


1956 - China

Earthquake, Shensi Province, China, 830,000 died


1959-61 - Northern China

The world's deadliest famine killed an estimated 30 million people in China.


/enough, I think
 
2004-12-30 10:58:15 AM  
money pledged vs. GDP (in millions)


EU $44m
US: $35m 10,881,609
Canada: $33m 834,390
Japan: $30m 4,326,444
UK: $28.9m 1,794,858
Australia: $27m 518,382
France: $20.4m 1,747,973
Denmark: $15.6m 212,404
Saudi Arabia: $10m 188,479
Norway: $6.6m 221,579
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m 161,549
Kuwait: $2.1m 35,369
Netherlands: $2.6m 511,556
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m 148,553
Singapore: $1.2m 91,342
 
2004-12-30 10:58:23 AM  
From the BBC; funds pledged so far:
EU $44m
US: $35m
Canada: $33m
Japan: $30m
UK: $28.9m
Australia: $27m
France: $20.4m
Denmark: $15.6m
Saudi Arabia: $10m
Norway: $6.6m
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m
Kuwait: $2.1m
Netherlands: $2.6m
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m
Singapore: $1.2m


If Singapore can give $1.2m, I wonder how much the Sultan of Brunai has donated. He's usually a pretty generous guy.
 
2004-12-30 10:58:53 AM  
sorry it wasnt all mushed up like that when i previewed it.....
 
2004-12-30 10:59:08 AM  
120,000 dead...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041230/325/f9emq.html

It's just unbelievable...
 
2004-12-30 10:59:08 AM  
"Get up in the morning, death, death, death, death, death, death, death lunch- death, death, death - afternoon tea - death, death, death - quick shower.."
 
2004-12-30 11:01:17 AM  
RedfordRenegade: Celebrities among the thousands caught up in deadly Asian tsunamis

So there is justice!
 
2004-12-30 11:01:35 AM  
We in the highly developed nations tend to take so much for granted... Money/supplies/relief for our citizens, technology for warning systems, easily accessible media for both info distribution and education of citizens concerning how to react to disaters...

This catastrophe struck some very poor nations who have very little of the above, and are therefore enduring more than most of us can imagine. Please, PLEASE remember this when you post here. It's easy to bandy numbers back and forth, but not so easy when you try to put a face to every number.
The suffering there is great, and will be greater still all too soon.

This is a case where just a little compassion can go a LONG
way. Let your conscience be your guide. And if all you can afford to give is prayers, then take comfort that you're still doing more than many of your fellows.

/crying for the dead children
 
2004-12-30 11:01:42 AM  
I've taken to looking in the World Almanac to put this in perspective for an American who can't quite wrap his head around the number that well. Let's say a fictional group of aliens came down and vaporized one American city, killing everyone in it. Just wipes it off the map. I'd obviously want to look for one with a population as close to the death toll as possible.

It started as Eau Claire, WI. Then it became Decatur, IL. Then Yuma, AZ. Then McAllen, TX. Now the alien vaporization city is Inglewood, CA.
 
2004-12-30 11:01:46 AM  
macabre

Show me evidence of missionaries donating their time and efforts without expecting conversions, and maybe I'll agree with you.

Show me evidence of YOU doing anything and maybe I'll listen to you. Do you actually think that the clinics give free medical care and give out bibles instead of lolipops? Unreal..

Like I said earlier. Please people, not only give money but also give your time and expertise. It's easy to give money but money doesn't fix everything and sometimes makes things worse (in general). Red Cross needs help and this won't be the last tragedy.
 
2004-12-30 11:04:13 AM  
Blade2567: //NO ONE has ever owned me you flaming retard. NOBODY!

That is so stupid. Can't people forget their own egos for one MOMENT to remember that so many people died and are dying and will die, to forget that being owned on the internet is about the same as being stung by a mospuito?!

Are there any people on this thread who aren't trolls?
 
2004-12-30 11:06:08 AM  
I'm donating to doctors w/o borders and ignoring the trolls.

Remember people: insults only count if you respect the source.
 
2004-12-30 11:06:25 AM  
sheikah

How interesting would it be if every post on this thread shared the same opinion?
 
2004-12-30 11:06:54 AM  
Boddah_Buddah

Yes it is true, they had a similar quake in the region a couple of years ago (9 on the richter scale I think) but it didn't cause much damage at all. So they kept quiet about this one as it was weaker than the last one, you don't want to scare off the tourists.
 
2004-12-30 11:07:29 AM  
Boddah_Buddah

I heard similar rumours, but not from or about any government sources. Last evening, the radio was suggesting that seismologists at the earthquake/tsunami warning centre (in Hawaii?) had a fair idea that there was going to be a major problem, but they had no contact numbers for the Indian Ocean region (Tsunamis are pretty rare in that area).

I guess it's just people being wise after the event.

In answer to whoever it was asked how likely it was than there was just one reported fatality in Kenya, that's fairly easy to explain. Someone there heard the news coming from Thailand etc, got a map out, drew some straight lines and made some phone calls. Apparently, the police there moved people back from the seashore in the nick of time.

They were lucky to be a couple of thousand miles further away from the epicentre.
 
2004-12-30 11:07:34 AM  
Mother Earth is doing what she can to get back at us before we destroy her...
 
2004-12-30 11:07:43 AM  
synesthesia

"You must get up very early in the morning."
 
2004-12-30 11:07:49 AM  
My horrible thought is this:

We all knew it was going to top 100,000.

The question is...how much higher is it going to go?
 
2004-12-30 11:08:38 AM  
Buzzboy Make that 27 million Euro as now for the Netherlands
 
2004-12-30 11:08:42 AM  
Are there any people on this thread who aren't trolls?

I'm an Ogre. Thats OK, right?
 
2004-12-30 11:08:49 AM  
MikeRaphon:

sheikah

How interesting would it be if every post on this thread shared the same opinion?



Good point, but saddening.
 
2004-12-30 11:09:42 AM  
LittleSmitty: I'm an Ogre. Thats OK, right?


I'd like a Big Friendly Giant.

/laundry
 
2004-12-30 11:11:45 AM  
My estimate is that the death toll will get to about 250,000 or 300,000 eventually. Might take a few months to tally up all the 'disappeared' people and the whole villages that don't exist anymore.

I just saw the most chilling and disturbing picture on Ogrish. I've seen some ugly stuff but that picture was awful. It was just a harbor with tons and tons of debris covering the waterfront up to 60 feet out. The bottom of the picture is off-screen and when you scroll down and get a closer view you'll notice that half the 'debris' are floating bodies that have turned brown because of the decay.
 
2004-12-30 11:12:19 AM  
I turned on the tv last night only to hear a end snippet of an interview with some dumbass on Entertainment Tonight (dumbass+E.T.=redundant). ANYway, the conversation was about this disaster and all I heard was him say, "this only would be second to 9/11."

I freaked out. SECOND to 9/11?? Why, because it happened in a country other than the U.S.? I was infuriated. This tsunami disaster OWNS 9/11. We are LUCKY we didn't lose more people or have to walk by dead bodies every day or worry about supplies getting to us in time. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get their head checked.
 
2004-12-30 11:12:25 AM  
Allah 3,000
God 120,000 and counting

What's the over/under?
 
2004-12-30 11:12:29 AM  
sheikah

you should see me do laundry. and by that I mean no one should ever witness that
 
2004-12-30 11:12:47 AM  
Blade2567
It shouldn't take 250K to die for the idiots to see the need for a warning system...even if it's Leroy in araft with a whistle.

On NPR's all things considered they talked about how in the 1980's Thailand (and thier neighbors) did in fact consider installing and maintaing a system of buoys and seismic sensors which would monitor the region for earthquakes/sunamis.
In the end it was determined that the initial cost plus the millions it would take to maintain it wasn't cost effective.
In other words they would have spent billions of dollars to prepare for an event which only occurs once or twice ever 500 years.

btw....Yes, you were owned and you are owned again....just keep pounding your chest and procaliming your superiority...it will get you far in life.
 
2004-12-30 11:13:39 AM  
If you live near a body of water, you gotta expect shiat like this.

People who live in California expect earthquakes.

People who lives near forests expect forest fires.

People who live in volcanoes, well, people don't live in volcanoes. I would.
 
2004-12-30 11:14:14 AM  
i hope this disaster doesnt delay production of my sneakers.


at least the people left are good swimmers, so this wont happen again. NIKEs I NEED air force 1s
 
2004-12-30 11:14:37 AM  
Along the lines of the alien vaporization project

Bye Bye Virgin Islands - pop 108,775 (July, 2004)
Guam, you're next - pop 166,090 (July, 2004)
 
2004-12-30 11:15:05 AM  
"Do you think they will change the child sex tours to necrophiliac sex tours?"

Man, you are so going to hell for that, and I'm so going too for laughing at it
 
2004-12-30 11:15:27 AM  
Phi Phi Beach pronounced Pee-pee beach.

//shut up Beavis
 
2004-12-30 11:16:34 AM  
Do you think they will change the child sex tours to necrophiliac sex tours?
LOL.

And now I now how to correctly pronounce Phuket, Thailand.
 
2004-12-30 11:17:01 AM  
LittleSmitty - - - NICE CITY OF HEROES REFERENCE
 
2004-12-30 11:17:38 AM  
Noting the international outpouring of support after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Post reported that even some administration officials familiar with relief efforts said they were surprised that Bush had not appeared personally to comment on the tsunami tragedy. Its kind of freaky, a senior career official said.
 
2004-12-30 11:17:52 AM  
[image from murdoch.edu.au too old to be available]


We're prepared for the next one.

Are you?


/back to our grief...
 
2004-12-30 11:18:42 AM  
On the positive note, not one animal dead!!


[image from imagecache2.allposters.com too old to be available]
 
2004-12-30 11:19:04 AM  
toddman2k:

I couldn't begin to imagine, so I did a little experiment:

What does 115,000 look like?
http://www.toddbinder.com/toll.aspx



That's just stunning beyond words.
 
2004-12-30 11:19:05 AM  
Boddah_Buddah: NICE CITY OF HEROES REFERENCE


dude.. the caps lock hurts my eyes..
 
2004-12-30 11:21:20 AM  
Dingo19:

toddman2k:

I couldn't begin to imagine, so I did a little experiment:

What does 115,000 look like?
http://www.toddbinder.com/toll.aspx

That's just stunning beyond words.



I agree. I hadn;t looked till now.

I wish I had money to donate. Perhaps I could get BunnyMan_Bob to do it for me?
 
2004-12-30 11:21:25 AM  
Perspective - Al Quada, PLO, Tamil Tigers, Indonesia, the worlds most populous Muslim county, a weak government, separatist movements, corrupt officials and Haven to terrorists.

What have any done to raise the spirits and human condition. Nada, Epis, Zilch.

Indonesia hardest hit.

Europe and North American to the rescue once again - freely and willingly, and yes Japan and Australia too. $10 from Saudia Arabia - duh?

Mostly non-Muslims helping Muslims.

In the meantime the asswipe OBL and his ilk continue their activities.

It is time for the 1st World to let the 3rd World know full well who is their brother's keeper. And it ain't OBL and his goon squad.

/shakes head
/retires this user ID forever
 
2004-12-30 11:21:40 AM  
farkvergnugen: I'm donating to doctors w/o borders...

And excellent idea. Docs and medical supplies will be what they need most at this point in the recovery (and food). I think I'll do the same.
 
2004-12-30 11:22:23 AM  
Granted this isn't the largest natural disaster in history, if you count the dead.

However, barring epidemics, has there ever previously been a natural calamity that has affected such a widespread area before? 11 countries across over 4,000 miles have been affected, and this is one of the factors that will make the relief effort so much more difficult....
 
2004-12-30 11:22:28 AM  
Priapulid
Sad about all the dead people, but I wonder if they would have given a flying fark if this was Americans?

You don't recall the vigils held worldwide after 9/11?
 
2004-12-30 11:22:30 AM  
........Wow that sucks...OK TREE HUGGERS thanks for slackn on the tree hugging cause mother earth is pissed!
 
2004-12-30 11:22:38 AM  
If anyone would like to donate to the cause...

(no html)

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/home.asp
 
2004-12-30 11:23:03 AM  
Dashredda:
How the fark can you say shiat like that?
 
2004-12-30 11:24:12 AM  
Digital_Meltdown

*snort* Ahhh, Izzard.
 
2004-12-30 11:26:09 AM  
Blade2567

Kiss it you phony ass-wipe

thats your idea of a constructive reply.....hmmm

I made a valid point .

Valid? how? i think underdog underscored the fundamental flaw in your twisted line of thinking, which i had explained even further. I dont seem to see any actual reply disproving it.

I have no pity for the stupid

Likewise, Einstein would have a field day with you... hell half of the people on Fark would do so, given your feeble retarted attempts at contributing in the said forum.....

It shouldn't take 250K to die for the idiots to see the need for a warning system...even if it's Leroy in araft with a whistle

lets try this again. It should'nt have taken 3K in the NY WTC's to die for the idiots to see the need for a warning system...

//NO ONE has ever owned me you flaming retard. NOBODY!

in denial. hmm...i hear if you keep repeating it enough, it helps remove you from reality

and you would rather wallow in pity for a group of people you've probably never had asecond thought about

as far as faux concern goes...i have good reason to feel genuine concern you turd, i come from one of the affected countries....

/feel free to flame on though...seems to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside
 
2004-12-30 11:26:29 AM  
Jesus, there's time when you want to meet some of these FARK posters and kick their f*cking heads in.

Peace to the survivors and good luck in piecing their lives back together.

(UK farkers - if you can't get the DEC site to work, go to one of the individual charity sites, like the British Red Cross)
 
2004-12-30 11:26:54 AM  
I don't put much thought into that area of the world (sorry, but they prolly don't think about us much either). However, I can't fathom what it would be like to have that kind of human loss. Amazing.
 
2004-12-30 11:26:57 AM  
Can I suggest that anyone that's in control of a website with any kind of traffic include some form of front-page link to relief effort charities?

I've already done so, as best I can.

- R
 
2004-12-30 11:27:25 AM  
Sad about all the dead people, but I wonder if they would have given a flying fark if this was Americans?

I bet it would be like anywhere else...the majority would be sympathetic yet humble, and a handful (who would get the most attention) would be yelling about how great Allah is for killing the infidels.
 
2004-12-30 11:27:32 AM  
I thought I saw on the CNN ticker this morning that 'Linkin Park' apparently donated about $100,000 to the relief cause. Can anyone confirm this? If so that's awesome and I hope other entertainers, companies do so in a similar manner...
 
2004-12-30 11:27:34 AM  
stebain:

Priapulid
Sad about all the dead people, but I wonder if they would have given a flying fark if this was Americans?

You don't recall the vigils held worldwide after 9/11?


No matter how hard people try to close their eyes and forget, or sabotage the efforts of others, there are good people out there and if you refuse to recognize them they might get pissed and not help you anymore.. or at least think about you in their thoughts and prayers. Then you can biatch about how nobody is on your side.
 
2004-12-30 11:28:14 AM  
Yes, we need a warning system for something that happens once every 300 years or so.

You people are morans.
 
2004-12-30 11:28:34 AM  
RedfordRenegade

Well put.
 
2004-12-30 11:29:28 AM  
I hope this means there will be less Sally Field commercials!
 
2004-12-30 11:29:48 AM  
DaShredda:

These people are our enemy.

For every post I see about donating, I'm buying a pair of Nikes.



Yeah I'm sure that all those little kids who died surely wanted to kill you. All those orphans who now have nobody in the world left. All those people who lost their whole families, their whole livlihoods. Wherever you live, whatever you do, you cannot have any idea what kind of tragedy this is for them. So shut the hell up.
 
2004-12-30 11:29:59 AM  
Step One - Detonate Atomic Bombs Near Underwater Faults

Step Two -

Step Three - Profit
 
2004-12-30 11:30:17 AM  
[image from us.news2.yimg.com too old to be available]
 
2004-12-30 11:30:43 AM  
bludstone:

es, we need a warning system for something that happens once every 300 years or so.

You people are morans.



Doesn't mean we can't try to help our other human beings right?
 
2004-12-30 11:30:51 AM  
I don't really think it matters who got hit. Tsunamis don't discriminate. Some of the victims may not have liked us, but just as many might have been on our side, and the majority probably didn't care either way. Who cares what their religion is? It's 115,000 human beings.
 
2004-12-30 11:31:36 AM  
Yes, we need a warning system for something that happens once every 300 years or so.

You people are morans.


right. money is all important. life is 2nd to that.

/explain to all the people who died that it was just a cost/benefit analysis, in the end
 
2004-12-30 11:31:49 AM  
at80eighty

Quite clever of you to liken this natural disaster to the WTC disaster. However, early warning systems do exist to detect earthquakes. They just aren't used in that part of the world. Early warning systems do not exist for detecting planes crashing into buildings in any part of the world. You're metaphor is therefore invalid.
 
2004-12-30 11:32:37 AM  
Wow. I've added about 20 farkers to my ignore list after this thread.
 
2004-12-30 11:32:43 AM  
I think its sad that some supposedly developed nations regularly participate in campaigns that kill atleast as many people as this tsunami and yet in our culture we don't consider it a tragedy. The loss of human life is not something that should ever be ignored or taken lightly least of all when it is taken by other humans.

Some people say that the deaths in iraq caused by the war have reached 100,000. I think that's a bit of a dubious claim. But even the independantly verified count of 15-20,000 are still far too high. I think the war is the real tragedy. most of you jokers need to get with the program.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm
 
2004-12-30 11:32:56 AM  
stebain, I wish half the arrogant assholes on this thread who speak of how people should have expected to die, should have done this that and the other, would give the money that this woman is doing. I don't know who she is, but I'm sure she's been through tragedies, and knows that every cent counts.
:/
 
2004-12-30 11:33:27 AM  
cutstep Why is god angry?

Might have something to do with all that bulls*** everyone keeps doing in his name...
=Smidge=
 
2004-12-30 11:34:54 AM  
THIS JUST IN

What is the global daily death rate?

146,000 people per day.

Please donate to every other family who was unlucky enough for their relative not to have died in a tsunami.
 
2004-12-30 11:35:30 AM  
MikeRaphon

*ahem*

i mentioned earlier that this has not happened in living memory in the region....thus not justifying the inevitable massive expenditure...

/but please... do try again....
 
2004-12-30 11:35:45 AM  
macabre,
Man, reading your bio is freaky dude. You are too angry and too many different people.
 
2004-12-30 11:36:20 AM  
There's an ingore list? I'm putting my boss, my girlfriend, my mother and my sister on it!
 
2004-12-30 11:37:14 AM  
would be yelling about how great Allah is for killing the infidels.


I am having serious conflict with this.

my understanding is that in core islam, the only good infidel is a dead one. their goal is to make islam 100% world wide and that means either convert or die. there is no love in the moslem world for us 'infidels', truth be told.

yet we are EXPECTED to help out when ever some other country has problems.

when people have unfortunate problems, they are our brothers. yet their core belief system wants us all dead.

I really seriously doubt if a moslem nation would lift a finger to help the Great Satan if it needed help.
 
2004-12-30 11:39:40 AM  
Hey Tsunami--

don't be a quitter. Anthrax eventually moved on after their name-ordeal.

Now if your name was "Thai-Die Tsunami"... well, you'd need a change
 
2004-12-30 11:40:33 AM  
DaShredda
These people are our enemy.
For every post I see about donating, I'm buying a pair of Nikes.


Quick, everybody donate so we can bankrupt this asshole!
 
2004-12-30 11:40:34 AM  
NUKE THE SEA!!!
 
2004-12-30 11:41:04 AM  
at80eighty

I'm not baiting you into an argument. I agree with you in that there doesn't exist the trend in the region to warrant an early warning system. However, to make the leap directly to the WTC doesn't work except as a measure to troll others into the argument.
 
2004-12-30 11:41:18 AM  
2004-12-30 11:39:26 AM longsmoke

Tell us how you really feel.
 
2004-12-30 11:41:19 AM  
This is insane:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1535&ncid=2337&e=41&u=​/afp/200 41230/wl_sthasia_afp/asiaquakemaldives_041230103137
 
2004-12-30 11:42:52 AM  
Preparedness is more than just an early warning system. It's about better land use planning, infrastructure development, improvement in housing in poverty-stricken areas, improved communications, improved disaster responsiveness.

Yes, and early warning system would be good thing, but the reality is that something of this scale is going to be inescapable for the majority. How we withstand and respond is equally, if not more, important.

Having dealt with the hurricanes (and having volunteered in the cleanup from Andrew) I hope I've picked up a little wisdom.
 
2004-12-30 11:44:03 AM  
" I cant even begin to fathom the horror of this tragedy. For all those people and children to lose their lives in such an unexpected way is tragic.
This link will bring the reality up close and provide you with options to channel your contributions. May God have mercy on their souls"
http://www.tsunamihelp.blogspot.com/
 
2004-12-30 11:44:49 AM  
"In Sri Lanka, survivors told CNN they were afraid and hopeless after losing everything they owned and seeing members of the families swept out to sea."


This type of reporting really makes me mad.
 
2004-12-30 11:44:56 AM  
calleliala

"the US is giving 35 million up front. Currently, that tops the list of donations. Not only that, but we're sending people to help keep things under control. Plus, the UN get s a huge chunk of their money from the US.

Know how much the UK has given? $100,000."

Please get your facts straight. Actually, the UK has pledged 15m which is just shy of $30m. When you compare the GDPs, it does make the US look a little miserly. But whay do you expect, there isn;t as much oil waiting to be 'liberated' in that part of the world, right?

Oh, and I don't see the problem with comparing man-made disasters with natural ones. There is no difference, when you really think about it.
 
2004-12-30 11:45:12 AM  
I love the smell of a Flame war in the morning

Actualy, no I don't, it smells like shiat, and is getting worse
 
2004-12-30 11:47:19 AM  
Horrible. Just horrible. Every time I want to feel down I think of the people over in Asia. Then I just feel lucky. Very lucky.

Last night I found myself praying for the souls of the dead. That they would watch over the living.

It truly is the luck of the draw that it wasn't me or my family. Or you and your family. You never know when mother nature is going to kick your ass.

/eyes Mt St Helens.
 
2004-12-30 11:47:23 AM  
"People who hate us died in a ginat wave."

You knew all of those people? Crazy.
 
2004-12-30 11:48:23 AM  
Supermodels, kung fu movie stars, poor fisherman and peasant of all skin color

Death is democratic.
 
2004-12-30 11:48:26 AM  
Longsmoke: When writing a post telling people they are retards, it is important to spell out exactly who you are talking about. Otherwise, you come across as someone who is generalizing... which is stupid, ignorant, small minded and makes you look like a retard.

I have been dreaming about tidal waves every night this week.. The fact that it was a beautiful day outside makes it more surreal. I mean, in a hurricane tidal surge you at least have wind, rain et cetera.. seeing video of people going towards the water's edge, then turning and running when they realize what's happening is chilling to say the least.

This is going to take years to recover from.. and even then, recovery isn't quite the right word.
 
2004-12-30 11:48:54 AM  
I think its sad that some supposedly developed nations regularly participate in campaigns that kill atleast as many people as this tsunami and yet in our culture we don't consider it a tragedy. The loss of human life is not something that should ever be ignored or taken lightly least of all when it is taken by other humans.

True, of course, but as soon as a story gets a wee bit complicated folks' minds like to check out. Natural disasters are easy to understand, there's clear cause and effect.

The tangled web we weave and the lies we concoct to conceal it are an entirely different animal. Especially if it attempts to expose the larger myths "civil society" relies on for continuity...

So Iraq is "about" weapons of mass destruction, a tsunami is mass destruction. Simple.
 
2004-12-30 11:49:37 AM  
Anyone else notice how this got under
the fark radar?


Saudi Arabia:$10M
Finland: $3.4m
Kuwait: $2.1m
Netherlands: $2.6m
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m
Singapore: $1.2m


Oil rich Arab nations collectively
contributing $14.1M? Oil sheiks who are some
of the wealthiest people on the planet,
and they can't come up with more than $14M?
Denmark alone came up with $15.6M initially.
Am I missing something here?
Please let me know.
 
2004-12-30 11:49:42 AM  
grateful_net: "my understanding is that in core islam, the only good infidel is a dead one. their goal is to make islam 100% world wide and that means either convert or die. there is no love in the moslem world for us 'infidels', truth be told. yet we are EXPECTED to help out when ever some other country has problems."

First of all I sinderely doubt that the core of islam is to either convert or kill infidels. I would imagine like almost all other religions the meaning is largely dependant upon how you interpret the original texts. In general the majority of muslims are very tolerant of other religions and races and are quite unhappy with the extremely distorted view of their religion. There are fundamentalist nutjobs in any religion, christianity included and to base your perspective of such a huge beleif system on a very small percentage of the beleivers actions is silly.

As for why you should help out? I think it has alot to do with being a generous, unselfish person. 'a good christian' if that's your thing.
 
2004-12-30 11:50:40 AM  
Rip

I apologized for that awhile ago.


(why can't I stop reading this thread?)
 
2004-12-30 11:51:10 AM  
skylabdown:

I have been dreaming about tidal waves every night this week.. The fact that it was a beautiful day outside makes it more surreal. I mean, in a hurricane tidal surge you at least have wind, rain et cetera.. seeing video of people going towards the water's edge, then turning and running when they realize what's happening is chilling to say the least.


That is REALLY weird.
 
2004-12-30 11:51:57 AM  
15m which is just shy of $30m..
lol

1 is just shy of 2.. but 15m is NOT just shy of 30m.
 
2004-12-30 11:52:22 AM  
DaShredda: Only if I was eaten alive by vampiric midgets.


How old are you again? Do you live in a basement? I thought you were going to play war craft.
 
2004-12-30 11:52:47 AM  
Well, to be fair, that $35 million was the U.S.'s entire budget for this this kind of thing. All of it.

On the other hand, it's December 30th. Not like there's going to be another tragedy this year that needs the money more. And we really should have siphoned off some money from a place that came in under budget, or something. I'm thinking the number the U.S. needs to hit is about $1,000 per victim, meaning $115 million at this point.
 
2004-12-30 11:53:34 AM  
The $35mill was the remaining amount that the US had budgeted. More will come, and you know it.

Don't make me defend Bush again, I don't like it.
 
2004-12-30 11:53:45 AM  
In other news, do you know how cheap a trip to these places will be next Christmas?

/planning vacation
 
2004-12-30 11:53:47 AM  
Bush is about to spend $40 million of private donations on his inauguration, and Kerry still has a whole truck full of money left over from his campaign. How nice would it be if they got together and gave all that soon-to-be-wasted money to the relief effort?

/not holding my breath
 
2004-12-30 11:54:05 AM  
monkeyrodeo-

I dont know if you think the US is being stingy but I think those countries gave about the same when it comes to the GDP??

I think-- some one else do the math for me- : )
 
2004-12-30 11:54:11 AM  
Yeah, what Gosling sed.
 
2004-12-30 11:54:50 AM  
BunnyMan_Bob:

thanks Dr. sheikah, hey i was just wondering how you make your diagnosis? you seem to love psychoanalizing pretty quikly, and over the internet too, you must be good.

Because I think that thinking that innocent children want to kill you, are your enemies, is pretty paranoid, and pretty stupid. I also think that people who are "amused by death" need to really experience death on a large scale. Maybe they won't be so amused. Thanks for trolling.
 
2004-12-30 11:55:33 AM  
your welcome
 
2004-12-30 11:55:56 AM  
MikeRaphon

However, to make the leap directly to the WTC doesn't work except as a measure to troll

refresh my memory. where did i troll exactly? then again, what's your definition of a 'troll'...you probably have your definitions all mixed up

/man, im sick of this...i'll be back...gonna go see if i can get some more clothes i can give away
 
2004-12-30 11:56:33 AM  
I see no reason why the world should look to theUS to give more aid, just because we have more money. These countries hate our foreign policy, except when it puts money in their pockets.

They made their bed, let 'em sleep in it.
 
2004-12-30 11:56:55 AM  
snoringtoad: 1 is just shy of 2.. but 15m is NOT just shy of 30m.


Pound signs don't show up on fark sometimes (wierd).

www.xe.com says...

15,000,000.00 GBP
United Kingdom Pounds = 28,823,453.58 USD
United States Dollars
 
2004-12-30 11:57:07 AM  
skylabdown: Obviously, I'm talking to all the "America!" and "they're our enemies!" people. It seems incredibly obvious to me and should be to you too, since I clearly spell out in the first three sentences who the message was intended to be for ("America, America", "how great you are because you're American", "get upset when people cheer a couple of buildings falling down"), but I guess you can't stop super-clever thinkers, such as yourself, who reuse the words of others in an attempt to look cool and witty. Wow, that's sooo amazing how you took my words and reused them, it really enchanced your non-existent point...?? Now take a few words from this post, and half of your next post is already written!
 
2004-12-30 11:57:31 AM  
2004-12-30 11:56:33 AM J.G. Longbotham

right on
 
2004-12-30 11:57:44 AM  
This was just awful, kind of humbles you and makes you appreciate what you have.
 
2004-12-30 11:58:16 AM  
...from the FarQ

Personal attacks made by anyone including name calling, threats, and any other form of directed attacks against other users will result in suspension of posting

C/mon folks. Let's stop telling each other to go die and go kill yourself. These are the same folks you've probably agreed with in previous threads on other subjects.
 
2004-12-30 11:58:20 AM  
"Ignore" is for trolls. Trolls aren't offering up a genuine opinion. They are there to provoke. They are the gadlflies of the internet. Why would I waste my time reviewing their posts when there is nothing worthwhile there to see?

There are plenty of people here whose opinions differ from mine. And there are plenty of them whom I respect, because there are real, thoughtful reasons for why they believe what they believe. Them I respect. Trolls aren't worth the effort.

"...What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence."

/nods to Wittgenstein
 
2004-12-30 11:58:21 AM  
just announced: UK goverement to send 50m pounds
 
2004-12-30 11:58:22 AM  
sheikah --
"Because I think that thinking that innocent children want to kill you, are your enemies, is pretty paranoid, and pretty stupid."

[image from worldpress.org too old to be available]


Yup, beyond belief.
 
2004-12-30 11:59:11 AM  
Come on people, it doesn't matter who gives what, as long as the rich countries and people are at least giving something.

As for religion, fundamentalists are different from the common man. In Delhi I witnessed sikhs, muslims, christians etc all living happily and respecting one another. The common core belief in all religions (and in my own atheism) is to live a good life, enjoy it and treat others as you would want them to treat you.

Finally, lay of Callielala, (s)he has apologised enough now.
 
2004-12-30 12:00:03 PM  
DaShredda -

You gotta skip about every ten posts but fellow farkers have posted alot of great links - pointed out different points of view than mine that I have found interesting and enlightening.

Thats why ignore button- to ingnore the trolls... : )

Or angry boys that got no game with chicks and play games in their parents basement.
 
2004-12-30 12:00:10 PM  
Longsmoke"

"must be French Canadian"

go kick you dog again.
 
2004-12-30 12:00:23 PM  
What would the world be like if everyone born lived a full life? As it is on average 40,000 children a day die of starvation or curable disease.
 
2004-12-30 12:00:42 PM  
DaShredda

If you wouldn't mind humoring me, name some things you consider to be immoral.
 
2004-12-30 12:01:07 PM  
2004-12-30 11:39:26 AM longsmoke
100 000 beer company employees

watch it kid-o, dems fight'n words
 
2004-12-30 12:01:43 PM  
geekpunk2

Supermodels, kung fu movie stars, poor fisherman and peasant of all skin color

Death is democratic.


Superbly said. boiled to perfection.

/really off now : )
 
2004-12-30 12:03:06 PM  
Only if I was eaten alive by vampiric midgets.

I think I'd pay $5 to see that.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:24 PM  
snoringtoad
15m which is just shy of $30m..
lol

1 is just shy of 2.. but 15m is NOT just shy of 30m.


15m pounds, dumbass.

In a week, that'll probably be worth MORE than $30m the way the world's making firelighters out of dollars at the moment.

/Think that all people who trade in currencies are parasites.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:26 PM  
If anybody wants to make a donation to a charitable orginization; Apple.com has pretty much devoted their front page to disaster relief orginization's websites.

Just in case anybody hadn't said that.
 
2004-12-30 12:03:32 PM  
If the USSR had experienced a natural disaster that killed 150,000 people in 1982 can anyone honestly say that we'd be jumping at the chance to send money and aid to them?

If Libya had experienced a natural disaster that killed 150,000 people during the early 90's, would we have lent a hand.

Maybe we would have, but public opinion would have dissented.

I'm not claiming that the countries in this region of the world are our enemies like Russia and Libya in the past. What I'm saying is that there is a modicum of merit to comments from people questioning America's quick leap into action whenever there is a world tragedy.
 
2004-12-30 12:04:10 PM  
bbcrackmonkey:

Hey douche-bags turning this into a Republican/Democrat flamewar, shut up, tsunamis don't give a shiat what political party you support and neither do the vast majority of us.


A-farking-men.
 
2004-12-30 12:04:15 PM  
does america really have more money? last time i checked we're pretty seriously in debt.

/not saying that's an excuse to cop out on aid...
//just sayin'
 
2004-12-30 12:04:21 PM  
This thread will self destruct in 10...9...8...
 
2004-12-30 12:04:23 PM  
Longsmoke So you hate Americans... ok. You've really outwitted me this time pal. It's amazing how you were able to completely pick me apart so efficiently... I am impressed indeed. I, for one, welcome you as overlord.

The discussion of how much as been donated by each country is a little stale... The challenge is getting the stuff to the right place.. not necessarily having enough in the first place. Also, in the weeks to come, rebuilding infrastructure and commerce will be very important. The hardest part is going to be healing people's hearts and minds.. so much senseless death.. families missing multiple members... Fortunately, we as humans are fairly good at marching on in the face of adversity.
 
2004-12-30 12:05:59 PM  
It is really telling when a headline only needs to be a number and everyone knows exactly what it means.

This is huge. Hellava way to end a very turbulent year.
 
2004-12-30 12:06:11 PM  
This thread will self destruct in 10...9...8...


I'm afraid it self destructed already, it's merely burning off the remaining fuel
 
2004-12-30 12:06:48 PM  
VirgoSnake: "True, of course, but as soon as a story gets a wee bit complicated folks' minds like to check out. Natural disasters are easy to understand, there's clear cause and effect.

The tangled web we weave and the lies we concoct to conceal it are an entirely different animal. Especially if it attempts to expose the larger myths "civil society" relies on for continuity...

So Iraq is "about" weapons of mass destruction, a tsunami is mass destruction. Simple. "

That's all true, it's also one of the worst aspects of our society. We selectively ignore great atrocities and choose to mourn the ones with the greates sentimental value (no politics involved, innocent people, very uncomplicated). Because it allows us to feel like we are caring and unselfish individuals. It gives mindless emotional relief and gets you through your days thinking you are a good peson. Sentimentality will, however, rot your soul in the end.
 
2004-12-30 12:07:32 PM  
on a different angle, does anyone get a more deepened appreciation for how totally brutal and unkind 'nature' can be? and how really and truly powerless we are against that kind of force?

sort of makes one feel that there is really very little IN your control. really. if you think you control stuff, you're just fooling yourself.

every day you are 'allowed' to live is an extra day you 'beat the system' so to speak.

/maybe
 
2004-12-30 12:07:53 PM  
2004-12-30 12:02:32 PM RedfordRenegade

Please learn to differentiate between the politics of a "country" and the politics of its citizens.
Hey, since you know so much about this region you must have spent a lot of time there? Right? Right? Was it that pedophile-sex trip that one time?
Hey, you made your bed......


I have been to some of these places. Sri Lanka, Phuket, even Maldives. Few other places in the area that were not hard hit.

So I probably know more than most about the area. I also have friends who travel in these areas for work--they work for oil companies and have to travel with constant security, and often stay in compounds built specifically for foreign business travelers. Malaysia and Indonesia can be some very dangerous places for white Americans, especially with any business connection that certain groups might dislike.

Many of the people there are great. But as a whole, their governments are not supportive of the US and its policies. So as far as I'm concerned, those governments can come into line and accept our poicies outside of their own interests, or learn to live without our aid.

I feel that this is sound policy in any area, and with any country. YOu don't play ball, you don't get the contracts you want or the aid you need. You don't want us, we don't want you.

It's fairly basic, actually, and has nothing to do with a particular tragedy that will be forgotten in no time.
 
2004-12-30 12:08:06 PM  
I, for one, would like to hear what Dr. Kent Hovind has to say on the subject. Or the Reverend John Hagee.
 
2004-12-30 12:09:03 PM  
grateful_net

I bet you really don't understand sky divers and bungie jumpers :)
 
2004-12-30 12:09:25 PM  
For anyone that missed the videos...
Farkable server with all 5 videos I've found.
 
2004-12-30 12:09:45 PM  
2004-12-30 10:08:48 AM leperboy69

For some reason, your pic hit me the hardest. I have no idea why, but of the loads of horrible pics that came from this incident, yours hit me right in the farking balls.

Thank you?
 
2004-12-30 12:10:18 PM  
Swiss Colony

Come on people, it doesn't matter who gives what, as long as the rich countries and people are at least giving something.

That's exactly the point that has more than a few people here worked up (Longbotham, Bunnyman Bob, etc). The first thing I hear on Good Morning America yesterday isn't what all the different countries are doing to help, but that the UN and other countries think the US is being 'stingy'. When all is said and done, US private donations, corporations, citizen volunteers, and even the 'evil' Bush regime will ending up giving more money and volunteer hours than any other country.

The US is damned when they do and damned when they don't, just a fact of life for us. And to those complaining that this isn't about the US, it isn't, yet there will be calls from all around the world for it to be.
 
2004-12-30 12:10:41 PM  
I read somewhere on yahoo (sorry don't have link) that they count the dead by counting the number of people in a mass grave, and then multiplying that by the number of mass graves. Actually, there is a huge problem because they are not identifying victims or even taking their pictures before they are buried because they are afraid of diseases the corpses might carry.

This is truly horrid, horrid stuff... It makes all sorts of thoughts go through my head.....
 
2004-12-30 12:11:34 PM  
Thinking that this has put a dent in radical Islamists in the area is...well...retarded at best. But it's also stupidly short-sighted and ignorant if you follow that line of thinking.

Radical Islamism thrives in this sort of environment - poor, devasted, needy. It is in our BEST interest the help these people, lest we let our true enemies take advantage of the chaos.

/realpolitik
 
2004-12-30 12:11:46 PM  
bshur:

Cant imagine where we got the idea that little Muslim children in 3rd world shiatholes want to kill us. Oh, wait, maybe it's from all the little kids strapping themselves with explosives.
And by the way, we HAVE experienced death on a large scale. Remember Sept. 11? I think 3,000 innocents dead qualifies



Call me a romantic, call me stupid, but all I see is thousands and thousands of dead people, and even more people left without families.

3k innocents dead qualifies, but that kind of thing happens every day in 3rd world countries. We act as if it never does, we act as if we are the only ones ever hurt.

If daslasher or whatever would explain why he hates other countries so much, or at least why he thinks all those people deserved to die, I would be more receptive. All I see is some very xenophobic, hate filled comments, and they make me bristle.
 
2004-12-30 12:12:42 PM  
2004-12-30 10:08:48 AM leperboy69

A Sri Lankan man carries body of his son out from hospital at the town of Galle, 117 kilometers south of the capital Colombo. The death toll from massive tidal waves that struck Sri Lanka's coastline leapt to more than 12,000 .
Photo: AP

I am referring to this pic in particular. My apologies for farking up the board.
 
2004-12-30 12:12:46 PM  
Now what about the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Christians, the Atheists and all the others who died in this terrible tragedy? How did they deserve it?

I already said. there's no "deserve" about it. there's no plan, no god, no one watching.

/look ma, no hands
 
2004-12-30 12:13:43 PM  
Pfizer is donating $10Million in cash and another $25 million in medicine and medical supplies.

http://www.pfizer.com/are/news_releases/2004pr/mn_2004_1229.html
 
2004-12-30 12:14:56 PM  
Diogenes
Thinking that this has put a dent in radical Islamists in the area is...well...retarded at best. But it's also stupidly short-sighted and ignorant if you follow that line of thinking.

Radical Islamism thrives in this sort of environment - poor, devasted, needy. It is in our BEST interest the help these people, lest we let our true enemies take advantage of the chaos.


Excellent observation.
Probably best not to try to appeal to some people's better nature--they might not have one. Self intrest works every time.
 
2004-12-30 12:15:10 PM  
grateful_net:

on a different angle, does anyone get a more deepened appreciation for how totally brutal and unkind 'nature' can be? and how really and truly powerless we are against that kind of force?

sort of makes one feel that there is really very little IN your control. really. if you think you control stuff, you're just fooling yourself.

every day you are 'allowed' to live is an extra day you 'beat the system' so to speak.



I have been thinking about it very much lately. It's hard to, from my perspective, think about how this is truly natural, in the midst of feeling so very compassionate towards the lives lost and maimed over there. :(

bunnyman_bob so did i answer your questions?
 
2004-12-30 12:15:21 PM  
wilbret and the other Bush apologistas here would have a little more cred if our embarassing Pres. actually came up with the aid he's promised. Remember the Africa AIDS package? Guess how many of the BILLIONS that were promised have been disbursed? That's right...NOTHING.

"put your Bush hating aside"? Man is that a lame excuse for an argument. The corpses are rotting in the street, and all you can come up with is some schoolyard nonsense? Bush is our leader, and he's failing us yet again. Deal with it, chump. Raise a stink, raise the roof...we need to do more.

Face it: the right in this country has constantly beat on foreign aide...slashing foreign aid has been a right wing pasttime for decades. This is more of the same, and it's EMBARASSING. Spain...farking SPAIN is making us look like chumps?

I'll let someone more eloquent than I fill you in...NYTIMES op-ed....

Are We Stingy? Yes


President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in Asia. He also hurried to put as much distance as possible between himself and America's initial measly aid offer of $15 million, and he took issue with an earlier statement by the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator, Jan Egeland, who had called the overall aid efforts by rich Western nations "stingy." "The person who made that statement was very misguided and ill informed," the president said.

We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

The American aid figure for the current disaster is now $35 million, and we applaud Mr. Bush's turnaround. But $35 million remains a miserly drop in the bucket, and is in keeping with the pitiful amount of the United States budget that we allocate for nonmilitary foreign aid. According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

Bush administration officials help create that perception gap. Fuming at the charge of stinginess, Mr. Powell pointed to disaster relief and said the United States "has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world." But for development aid, America gave $16.2 billion in 2003; the European Union gave $37.1 billion. In 2002, those numbers were $13.2 billion for America, and $29.9 billion for Europe.

Making things worse, we often pledge more money than we actually deliver. Victims of the earthquake in Bam, Iran, a year ago are still living in tents because aid, including ours, has not materialized in the amounts pledged. And back in 2002, Mr. Bush announced his Millennium Challenge account to give African countries development assistance of up to $5 billion a year, but the account has yet to disperse a single dollar.

Mr. Bush said yesterday that the $35 million we've now pledged "is only the beginning" of the United States' recovery effort. Let's hope that is true, and that this time, our actions will match our promises.
 
2004-12-30 12:15:53 PM  
Also, to Mr. Santry's article:

Poor nations don't give us support after our natural disasters because THEY'RE FARKING POOR. Would you see Paris Hilton's face on one of those cancer kid jars in convenience stores if she had some sort of disease? No... because she can afford to take care of it herself unlike the local no-legged boy that tries to play basketball by crawling around on his buttcheeks.
 
2004-12-30 12:16:42 PM  
J.G. Longbotham said, "YOu don't play ball, you don't get the contracts you want or the aid you need. You don't want us, we don't want you."

See, this is where many people like yourself are mislead. You're equating governments with people, and that's completely unfair. Even in a democracy (like America) it is still highly probable that the majority of the population does not support their government's actions.

Why would you want to punish innocent people? That punitive thinking what leads to large scale turmoil, more death, and more hatred.

At some point in your life you will need the help of those you disagree with, and on that day you will wish you hadn't burned so many bridges.
 
2004-12-30 12:17:57 PM  
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2004-12-30 12:19:38 PM  
The CBC just announced that the Canadian government is looking for Psychologists and Psychiatrists who can speak any of the native languages to send over.

I have a friend who just signed up. Any of you with the appropriate skills should definitely consider it too.

I hate the overuse of the word "tragedy", but this certainly qualifies.
 
2004-12-30 12:21:02 PM  
Alex Chilton: If you're feeling pressured into giving to a charity, chances are the person pressuring you stands to take a large cut. There are other factors to look at when considering who to donate to, but knowing what I know, I wouldn't give to any charity who's representatives come across like used car salesmen.

Please note that not all charities are like that -- as a professional fundraiser, I can tell you that all fundraisers of reputable organizations are salaried and our compensation is never based on a percentage of what we raise (the Association of Fundraising Professionals actually prohibits this as a guiding principle).

If you want to check out a charity before you donate, go to charitynavigator.org or the Better Business Bureau's Philanthropic Advisory Service (also online). They rate charities based on what percentage of the money they raise goes directly to program services. In the case of Mercy Corps (which is collecting for earthquake/tsunami relief right now), Charity Navigator gives their highest rating, with 91% of funds collected going directly to programs (rather than administration). A good guideline -- if more than 30% goes to fundraising and administrative costs, AVOID that charity.
 
2004-12-30 12:21:32 PM  
MikeRaphon


at80eighty

Quite clever of you to liken this natural disaster to the WTC disaster. However, early warning systems do exist to detect earthquakes. They just aren't used in that part of the world. Early warning systems do not exist for detecting planes crashing into buildings in any part of the world. You're metaphor is therefore invalid.


NORAD? Sattelites? Air Traffic Control? The CIA? The FBI? The NSA? The Military?
 
2004-12-30 12:22:43 PM  
What's interesting is the great amount of apathy of many Americans in regards to this incident, because it happened to "brown people". When 9/11 happened, with a mere tiny fraction of the casualties of the current disaster, Americans were looking out into the world and saying "Yeah, you BETTER send us some farking condolences".
 
2004-12-30 12:22:53 PM  
Two places that I donated to were the Red Cross Internatioanl (www.redcross.org) and Doctors Without Borders (www.doctorswithoutborders.com). Both sites accept credit cards and the Red Cross site allows you to donate in someone else's name or organization, so all you Farkers can donate and attribute it to Fark.

You people who are making jokes about these people deserving it (or otherwise making light of it all) are so demented that it boggles my mind.

JW
 
2004-12-30 12:23:03 PM  
One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic.

(Joseph Stalin)

/numbers can't explain
 
2004-12-30 12:23:44 PM  
OK I am full of shiat because I said I was leaving and I obviously haven't.

Blade2567
Hypocrit alert! Check out her favorite quote in her profile.

That's there just for you, baby.
 
2004-12-30 12:24:50 PM  
I would bet that 99% of the victims of this tragedy were far too busy scraping out a subsistence existence to give a fark what radical Islam has to say about America.
 
2004-12-30 12:24:53 PM  
Grateful_net:
If we want to play this game i can find you shady passages from the texts of any religion. But that by no means defines the core of the religion or the morality of its beleivers. It would be like taking the conflict in Northern Ireland and judging all christians based on how a stupid a relatively small minority has acted. It doesn't make sense. There are