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(WCCO)   Indian official randomly issues tsunami warning after mgnitude 5.7 aftershock. No word on why the 18 or so magnitude 6+ aftershocks didn't warrant such a warning   ( divider line
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2004-12-30 07:34:14 AM  
In other news, India to start a color-coded tsunami-threat warning system.

/Flame on
2004-12-30 07:35:27 AM  
not random but out of an "abundance of caution"

/sounds familiar
//buys some more duct tape
2004-12-30 07:36:10 AM  
I have often wondered what they would have done if they had gotten a warning. I heard that the earthquake set of seismographs in NYC. This would have given India up to 6 hours warning. If the guys in NYC had known who to call, would the warning have been given ?
2004-12-30 07:44:10 AM  
HA! Christina Blomee! What a great name!
2004-12-30 07:47:14 AM  
Maybe they're outsourcing their seismologists.
2004-12-30 07:51:27 AM  
The Culprit?

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/one ticket please
2004-12-30 07:52:07 AM  
Thats pretty crazy that up to 100,000 people just lost their life in a blink of an eye..damn I can't believe it..All I see on the news is about a stupid model surviving..
2004-12-30 07:53:09 AM  
Because if an earthquake doesn't occur near water, then there is no tsunami.

/didn't rtfa
2004-12-30 07:54:12 AM  
The earthquake scale is logorythmic right?

So this 5.7 is more than 300 times smaller than the big one...

I dunno, one of you geeks help me out.
2004-12-30 08:05:02 AM  

From the USGS site:

Magnitude is the most commonly reported measure of an earthquake's size. It began as a completely empirical measure defined by Beno Gutenberg and Charles Richter in the 1930's. They wanted a quantitative way to compare earthquakes, based on instrumental recordings, independent of the location of the observer. They borrowed the idea of a magnitude scale from astronomers, who used it to classify the brightness of stars. They defined it in terms of the amplitude of ground velocity recorded on a particular seismograph, scaled by the distance from the instrument to the earthquake.
It has since been shown to be proportional to the energy released in the earthquake but the energy goes up with magnitude faster than the ground velocity, by a factor of 32. Thus, a magnitude 6 earthquake has 32 times more energy than a magnitude 5 and almost 1,000 times more energy than a magnitude 4 earthquake. This does not mean there will be 1,000 times more shaking at your house. Bigger earthquakes last longer and release their energy over a much larger area.

How big was the earthquake? That should be easy. Why do the scientists always seem to have problems coming up with a simple answer to a simple question?

Many Californians have felt some version of this frustration after each earthquake where one seismologist always seems to be contradicting another. In fact, earthquakes are very complex. Measuring their size is something like trying to determine the size of an abstract modern sculpture with only one use of a tape measure. Which dimension do you measure?

Seismologists have tried different dimensions leading to several magnitude scales. These include local (also sometimes called the Richter scale since it was the first one defined by Richter), surface-wave, body-wave, duration and coda. All these scales measure the amplitude of some aspect of ground motion (velocity or acceleration at different distances and in different frequency bands).

In recent years, seismologists have developed a new scale, called moment magnitude to describe the size of an earthquake. Unlike other magnitude scales that measure only one part of the ground motion, moment magnitude is based on a physical quantity, called moment, that can be determined either from the geometry of the fault plane or from the total energy recorded on a seismogram. It is equal to the area of the fault times the amount of slip across the fault times the rigidity of the rock. Several recent earthquakes have confirmed that moment determined by geologists measuring the fault in the field matches the moment determined by seismologists from a seismogram.

Moment magnitude has many advantages over other magnitude scales. First, because it uses the complete seismogram, it doesn't saturate, allowing us to measure the largest earthquakes. Second, because it can be determined either instrumentally or from geology, we can use it to measure the size of old earthquakes and compare them to instrumentally recorded events. Third, estimates tend to be more reliable so differences of 0.2 in moment magnitude do mean something (just dont compare with some other type of magnitude.)

/just geeked out....
2004-12-30 08:06:24 AM  
I wonder how many people were in the middle of phucking when the waves hit them.
2004-12-30 08:10:24 AM  

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You aren't alone about feeling pissed about the amount of coverage the model's getting. Newspaper people are currently having a field day with this cover. Just think if some paper decided to run this on 9/13 (two days after), and consider how people around here would respond.
2004-12-30 08:10:26 AM  
So cool... do an unfiltered GIS on Panic. Lots of goodies over yonder, googlie-wise. Like this one:

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Not Bush-Bashing, by the by... well, okay, maybe a lil'
2004-12-30 08:15:14 AM  
Just when I start thinking all sorts of morbid thoughts about the utter magnitude of this disaster, American Napalm really puts it all into place.

2004-12-30 08:18:05 AM  
Mongoose42: Yes American Made Napalm can do a lot of distruction, but it is an odd comparison

(yes i realize your refering to American Napalm the user, but thats the first thing that hit me)
2004-12-30 08:18:17 AM  
So then this quake is more like several THOUSAND times smaller than the 9.0 (except of course that its energy is distributed differently blah blah blah science blah blah blah)
2004-12-30 08:20:52 AM  
i just spent a hour looking for (and finding) video of the tsunami's, and some show people just tripping out on the "big" waves while standing on the beach(then the screaming started). it sure is not like in the movies,at least these were not.
the first thing i thought of when i heard of a quake over there, was a tidal wave, just a passing thought then on with my life. i wonder how many people had the same thought there and left? or because of the actions of the goverments not wanting to lose money, stayed?
2004-12-30 08:24:39 AM  
People are now expecting the death toll to hit over 100,000.

Osama Bin Laden's got nothing on God.
2004-12-30 08:27:05 AM  

"I read yesterday that in Thailand, at least, they had received such a warning but decided not to act on it because it was the peak of tourist season and the economic disruption in case of a false alarm would have been great. Hindsight being 20/20, it's easy to criticise that decision".

Better not tell that to the tourists who had their relatives washed away.
2004-12-30 08:28:05 AM  
"Osama Bin Laden's got nothing on God."

Yeah, forget him. When will the "War on Seismic Activity" begin?
2004-12-30 08:32:09 AM  
Good thing the UN saw this coming. They've done just as good a job with this one as they did with Rwanda.
2004-12-30 08:34:01 AM  

One of today's "most emailed" pics at Yahoo:

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(see also - Climate Change, Tsunamis, and The Rapture)
2004-12-30 08:39:02 AM  

You aren't alone about feeling pissed about the amount of coverage the model's getting. Newspaper people are currently having a field day with this cover. Just think if some paper decided to run this on 9/13 (two days after), and consider how people around here would respond.

Its just stupid..why focus on her? Only reason is because shes slighty famous..what a joke..what about the 100,000+ people that lost their lives?
2004-12-30 08:43:46 AM  

Is that the actual front page? Its not been photoshopped?
2004-12-30 08:49:03 AM  
Challenge, who can be the first to find this in Nostradamus
2004-12-30 08:54:19 AM  

Yeah, it is. That's why I said a lot of people in the news industry are coming down on it. (They're also coming down on an Indianapolis Star cover that gave Peyton Manning more play on the day after than the tsunami.)

Granted, the Daily News isn't the bastion of journalism that the Times is, but still.. change a few words and put in a couple of skyboxes/refers, and you have the cover of Star.

There's absolutely no power in that photo, just an overwhelming softening of a subject that has thousands of powerful photos coming off the AP wires AS WE SPEAK.

They should be ashamed of themselves.
2004-12-30 08:56:35 AM  
The army of the sea will stand before the city,
Then it will leave without making a long passage:
A great flock of citizens will be seized on land,
Fleet to return to seize it great robbery.

How's that?
2004-12-30 09:04:46 AM  

Yea its not hard to predict that there will be a large Tsanami, come on they happen often enough. Interesting would be one that aligns it in current time scales and place of happening.
2004-12-30 09:06:30 AM  
Perhaps they were too busy scrambling to provide aid and rebuild communication networks to worry about the first couple of aftershocks that happened mere hours after the big one.
2004-12-30 09:10:26 AM  
MindStalker: You're right. I shall delve into the quatrains immediately to find references to supermodels.

2004-12-30 09:21:26 AM  
radio just said 120,000 people dead... man...
I'm so glad I live in a stable area of the world.
dont joke about the "War on Seismic Activity",
all OBL has to do is set off this ... no more east coast...
2004-12-30 09:25:50 AM  
VeggieGuy: They should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm just speechless right now.

Words don't describe how asinine that page is.

Wow. Just freakin wow.
2004-12-30 09:32:11 AM  
good lord why are they smiling on that cover? it almost looks like they're happy that the children have shut up.
2004-12-30 09:49:19 AM  
Dude, Where is Laird Hamilton when you need him. I mean talk about big wave surfing!!!
2004-12-30 09:58:19 AM  

maybe someone at that newspaper wanted to make sure she goes from famous, to not famous, to infamous?
2004-12-30 09:59:07 AM  
I assume the article has changed? I dont see anything about a warning being issued. Unless I've missed it the 3 times i read it.
2004-12-30 10:02:04 AM  
Wait, i did find this.

"Tens of thousands of residents fled coasts in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand after unfounded warnings of possible new tsunamis Thursday."

Guess that's what everyone's talking about
2004-12-30 10:34:33 AM  
I beleive currently the Indian govt. is blaming the false warning on information received from a "terra Research" group based in Portland Oregon but nobody can find a record of them...
2004-12-30 11:21:09 AM  

2004-12-30 01:24:14 PM  
these ppl cant catch a break...
2004-12-30 01:34:54 PM  
The NY Daily News is such a rag. I stopped reading their headlines at the newsstand after a front cover story about how one of the actresses from Sex and The City had been dating women. /obviously because in NYC there is nothing else going on. dummies
2004-12-30 02:30:04 PM  
reminds me of the pun in Carl Sagan's book:

Terra Firma - the more firma.... the less terra!

2004-12-30 02:57:39 PM  
2004-12-30 09:55:04 PM  
Did we just fark CBS?
2004-12-30 10:10:02 PM  
to the submitter-

why the fark do you care

your headline doesnt sound like you care

i bet you dont give a fark

so why the fark do you give a fark

its not like they are warning YOU

they are warning their own people

none of your business

2004-12-30 10:31:49 PM  
Reason for no warnings on some earthquakes: Its not just a matter of how big, the thickness of sediment on the sea floor at the epicentre is just as important.
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