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(Reuters)   Plane passengers vote on whether to land or not when engine bursts into flames   ( divider line
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2002-03-04 11:08:38 AM  
2002-03-04 11:10:19 AM  
All of a sudden there is a democracy on planes.

Fark dat. The pilot should know to land it.
2002-03-04 11:10:32 AM  
vote? what is this....Monty Python?
2002-03-04 11:11:16 AM  
Taking democracy a bit far?
2002-03-04 11:11:17 AM  
i say keep going, i like to live life dangerously... or is it stupidly?
2002-03-04 11:12:18 AM  
Uh.... Yeah, I'd have the pilot land if only for one reason: A flight is not a democracy. I mean really, would you want the pilot leaning out of the cockpit and asking, "Hey, guys, there's another plane aimed right for us. Should we play chicken or veer off?"
2002-03-04 11:12:31 AM  
OK. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? When do passengers get to make educated decisions about their aircraft they are flying in? Maybe the next time I am on a flight I will ask the pilot for his advice on IT related issues.
2002-03-04 11:15:03 AM  
and who says there isnt democracy in italy!
2002-03-04 11:16:27 AM  
Sounds like the plane didn't really have any problems according to the pilot.
2002-03-04 11:16:35 AM  
Yeah i bet all those liberal terrorist hugger passengers voted to keep the plane flying so it could hit a building. Stupid terrorist huggers.
2002-03-04 11:17:07 AM  
The pilot managed to get the plane into the air ....

OK. Let me get this straight. He sees flames in the engine, and decides after takeoff to see if the passengers want to go back. Was he trying to prove to them that there's nothing wrong? Does he get paid by the mile?
2002-03-04 11:18:13 AM  
"O.K., if we aren't going to make it back, who votes for a water landing and who wants me to ditch into the trees, c'mon, lets see some hands people!"
2002-03-04 11:18:45 AM  
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2002-03-04 11:18:47 AM  
This is how I read that article.

The plane's engine was on fire, for what was APPARENTLY a legitimate, common reason (restart after a stall). The pilot tried to convey this to the obviously shaken passengers.

I mean, in the same situationn, with everything having been explained to me, I would have voted to land too ... but this pilot was at least good enough to calm the passenger's fears by basically saying "Hey, it's no big deal really, but we can go back if you guys are nervous".

Sounds like a pretty cool guy to me.
2002-03-04 11:19:53 AM  
Engine catches on fire and the pilot wants to continue???

Why didn't they vote who gets to beat the fark outa the pilot after they got back on the ground?
2002-03-04 11:22:13 AM  
Homer Simpson: "When will people learn? Democracy doesn't work!"
2002-03-04 11:23:26 AM  
Down with democracy.

The voting was tainted by special interests and quid pro quo payoffs.
2002-03-04 11:25:11 AM  
CandyPink: Kennie Broklestein, aka Kent Brockman, also said that quote.
2002-03-04 11:26:52 AM  
Homsar I am down with your interpretation. That would be the bast why to calm them down. Though it would have helped if the O2 mask had come down and everybody was getting high.
2002-03-04 11:28:14 AM  
Assume crash positions
2002-03-04 11:28:30 AM  
Homsar-just curious how many actually read that part of the article before they just started spouting off.
2002-03-04 11:30:58 AM  
[image from too old to be available]

Show of hands, should we keep going?
2002-03-04 11:33:56 AM  
I really don't see how an engine fire is normal...Any pilots know if this is true.
2002-03-04 11:34:07 AM  
"Whatsa matter? Luigi bring-a thees nice-a pizzas for you.."
2002-03-04 11:35:51 AM  
It says the passengers voted "overwhelmingly" to return to the airport. So I guess there were a few that wanted to go on, wow.
2002-03-04 11:37:11 AM  
Perhaps there should be an electoral college of flight attendants that speak on behalf of the passengers.
2002-03-04 11:41:05 AM  

That is farking AWFUL - but I can not stop laughing.

I am a bad person ... :)
2002-03-04 11:46:43 AM  

I am NOT a pilot, but I have read in numerous places that small amounts of flame are possible/somewhat common when:

1) the plane's engines restart
2) if there is any amount of excess oil that happens to go through the engine turbines, it burns itself off
2002-03-04 11:49:54 AM  
Sometimes, when an aircraft experiences a compressor stall flames can shoot out. Usually, the aircraft is perfectly fine. What happens is that there is not enough air coming into the engine to burn the fuel properly. Thats what causes the flames, and smoke. It's not normal for a compressor to stall unless something disturbs the air. Jet engines are so simple that if the pilots instruments looked good, then the engine is probably fine.
2002-03-04 11:50:18 AM  
So are there Shadow Pilots hidden in the overhead luggage compartments?
2002-03-04 11:51:56 AM  
Same as my senior years, third times the charm.

Thank you mods.
2002-03-04 11:53:54 AM  
I worked in the aircraft industry a few years ago, and -well, maybe i'm stating the obvious but-
yeah, i think i'm gonna say land the farking plane
just because you know how to drive a car doesn't make you an automechanic.
2002-03-04 11:58:29 AM  
Thanks for the info...still it is a little scary to see a plane engine burning.
2002-03-04 12:00:22 PM  
Hello passengers, this is your Captain speaking:
Put your trays in their upright position, Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
2002-03-04 12:06:41 PM  

"Um...cake, please."
2002-03-04 12:23:25 PM  
I read the first sentence of the article about 10 times. Is it just me, or does it sound like the pilot himself caught fire?
2002-03-04 12:23:42 PM  
"One of the engines stalled very briefly. It turned itself off and then on again and there were flames. Apparently it is quite normal," he said, declining to be named.

Note to self... never fly again 'til I sprout wings outta my back.....
2002-03-04 12:24:43 PM  
Duh... the engine is on fire? Nah, let's not land, everything is perfectly fine!
2002-03-04 12:28:46 PM  
It's not all that unusual for flames to coem out of the engine for the reasons mentioned above. Think about it. The engine is already burning fuel. It just happens that during the restart the excess fuel burned outside the engine exhaust. But I guess if this is a dangerous situation, all those dragsters in racing should immediately shutdown and eject after the green light because of the flames... right? Same kind of thing.
2002-03-04 12:34:39 PM  
Did they exclude everyone who's name was an "80% match" to the names on a list of convicts from Florida + Texas?

(ie Brown, Jackson, etc...)
2002-03-04 12:39:39 PM  
voted overwhelmingly in favor of returning to the ground,

Well... in any case, the plane's got to come down SOMETIME.
2002-03-04 12:45:05 PM  
Democracy in the air, and they were flying to Cuba.
Anyone else see the irony?
2002-03-04 01:05:48 PM  
Fire & smoke on engine start is a very, very normal occurance, it even has a name "wet start".

But, it can be pretty unnerving if you're not familiar with it (like most airline passengers), so I can't blame them for wanting to turn back.

2002-03-04 01:22:00 PM  
Ahhh, Italy the home of Democracy.
2002-03-04 01:22:38 PM  
"It's okay, I'll handle this. Calm down! CALM DOWN! [SMACK!]
"Here, let me try: Calm DOWN! [SMACK!]"
Next in line:
Boxing gloves
Monkey wrench
Brass knuckles
2002-03-04 01:30:00 PM  
I hate it when the plane turns around cuz a toilet's not flushing or something stupid like that. Whatta buncha weenies.
2002-03-04 01:38:03 PM  
Realm of Possibilities Puppet Theater presents:

How about this: Most passengers (most people actually) aren't aviation experts, so being a little freaked out about flame from the engine and smoke in the cabin is certainly understandable. but...
What if the a slim majority voted to continue and almost half the passengers had to continue on while freaking out? Plus it was Florida- what if the vote outcome was questionable? Would the governor have to intervene? Oh the possibilities... discuss.
2002-03-04 01:52:25 PM  
As an aviator, I would have to say that any pilot who would have to ask his passengers whether or not to land in a situation like this is a total [image from too old to be available]. If one of your engines is on fire, get your ass back on the ground NOW.

This pilot should be fired. And he should have his pilot's license revoked.
2002-03-04 01:53:04 PM  
oops i'm dyslexic- why'd i think that said miami?
Nevermind. I'm stupid. But since I took the time, here:
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2002-03-04 02:14:54 PM  
3horn is right about wet start...and the pilot was right too, it was a chartered flight; the passengers in this case are collectively the pilots employeer. The pilot has every right to ask "nervous boss? okay...let's go back".
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