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(mosnews.com)   Russia to launch satellite capable of sending messages to other interstellar civilizations, your UFO wants caller ID   (mosnews.com) divider line 44
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2004-12-29 05:46:19 PM  
Other interstellar civs? In order for there to be others, doesnt that mean there needs to at least be one??
 
2004-12-29 07:17:42 PM  
This is the kind of thing that interstellar civilizations may be interested in.

*cough* space-nerds *cough*
 
2004-12-29 07:23:06 PM  
I don't think they want to consolidate their debts or enlarge their penii.
 
2004-12-29 07:29:27 PM  
maybe they could use a new home mortgage?
 
2004-12-29 10:45:30 PM  
What I want to know is this:

Let's assume some advanced alien civilization exists. If we send them a message, how will they know it's a message in the first place?

What if instead of binary or decimal, they use a base-13 numbering system? Hell, other life in the universe may not even be carbon based. What makes us think we could communicate with a being completely foreign to us?

Hell, other life in the universe may not even be carbon based.
 
2004-12-30 01:08:05 AM  
I have an idea. Let's let the telemarketers develop and implement the technology. If anybody could, it would be them...
 
2004-12-30 01:10:44 AM  
Verizon better not be sponsoring this...

"hello, can you hear me now...hello?"
 
2004-12-30 01:11:51 AM  
The problem is, in about 250 years the Klingons will use the satellite as target practice.
 
2004-12-30 01:14:43 AM  
your UFO wants caller ID

moran
 
2004-12-30 01:19:36 AM  
amorphous blob: Let's assume some advanced alien civilization exists. If we send them a message, how will they know it's a message in the first place?

I don't know the details, but I am pretty sure they are signaling with radiation (radio, optical, etc). Let's say it's radio signal, OK? As far as I have seen (and I have seen a lot in the sky), there is no natural astrophysical source that emits signals like "0001000100010101010" with some kind of artificial pattern. So if an extra-terrestial species has technological capability to detect radiation (if not, they'd better be in other dimension) and has some mathematical skills to distinguish what is natural and what not, then so as long as we send some clearly engineered signal (non-random, but periodically patterned signal), they will know we are out here.

Now how about if you want to "communicate" with them? Then we'd better be smart about how to send out primers for decoding. Sending a picture of human body (NSFW or not) ain't gonna do us any good, probably.
 
2004-12-30 01:23:22 AM  
...tinfoil?
 
2004-12-30 01:25:15 AM  
The priority will lie with information about the planet Earth and its civilization

Geez, why don't we just paint a big target on Africa with big letters under it that say "Aim phasers and photon torpedos here you alien bastards!"
 
2004-12-30 01:32:38 AM  
Most governments do a good job of discrediting anyone with different story than theirs.


I want to believe!
 
2004-12-30 01:43:43 AM  
Why do we want to find aliens?

I don't.
 
2004-12-30 01:45:25 AM  
Can we send a photo of Will Robinson in one of those "Have You Seen Me?" ads?
 
2004-12-30 01:49:33 AM  
Your FARK.com readers want creative headlines.
 
2004-12-30 01:50:04 AM  
correct me if i'm wrong folks,but are'nt radio and tv signals broadcast out to space anyway?
 
Azz
2004-12-30 01:54:46 AM  
Can we please stop with the "your ___ wants ____" headlines?
 
2004-12-30 01:59:18 AM  
Pfft, Russia doesn't have enough money to send a rock into space, much less a SETI box.
 
2004-12-30 02:05:25 AM  
BullsEye2: are'nt radio and tv signals broadcast out to space anyway?

Yes, but AM radio and TV signals have been out.
 
2004-12-30 02:11:18 AM  
IUJHJSDHE: Me neither. Scares the hell out of me. I don't care how much the Star Trek dorks think that other species will be friendly, they way I see it, if a civ lasts long enough to have high tech, they probably killed a lot of other species to get there (just like us). They could be friends, sure, but in the "Everyone keep their hands on the table" sort of way.

BullsEye2: They are but they aren't very strong. You'd need a pretty big dish to pick our tv signals from 50 or 60 light years away. And this just talks about "panels". It doesn'T say anything about how the information is being sent.

/Star Wars and Firefly dork, that might be why I don't trust the buggers.
//Doesn't think Utopia will happen, but is pretty sure no one will notice that it didn't.
 
2004-12-30 02:14:56 AM  
p.s. Glasnoss-M (the satellite in the article) is the Russian version of GPS. This thing can't communicate with aliens, they're just putting advertisements on it. Load of crapola.


/just looked it up.
 
2004-12-30 02:17:24 AM  
Another vote for passive observation. Let's just lay low and try to find them before they find us. Then build really huge farking weapons just in case.
 
2004-12-30 02:19:27 AM  
Most of the messages will read "Help, I'll only live till 60!"
 
2004-12-30 02:38:00 AM  
Ummm... RTFA

There is no mention about beaming signals to space at all. They deliver a set of 'message panels' into 'space' by affixing 6 alluminum message panels to what sounds like geostationary satellite (which will be in space for millenia). Thats the only thing I saw about messages.

No binary no antenna no nothing.. it doesnt sound like the satellite was designed specifically for this as much as it sounds like they are slapping some messages on satellites they are sending up anyway.

No story here at all and what sounds like a stupid reporter too.
 
2004-12-30 02:43:03 AM  
I don't think this is a reputable news source. Check out this other article from the same site:

http://mosnews.com/news/2004/12/29/axis.shtml

Or maybe it's just taht Russian scientists suck.

/too lazy for html. good night
 
2004-12-30 02:51:47 AM  
fransaskois: I agree with you, the source sucks, but actually the second part is true. Except that the earth day is 3 microseconds shorter, not longer like that article says.

Reuters...stolen from Slashdot
 
2004-12-30 02:56:01 AM  
If it doesn't send out a signal then how the hell are we supposed to communicate with extrasolar civilizations? Sounds like a space-billboard to me. Surfs up dude.
 
2004-12-30 03:11:50 AM  
PSA: Your _________ wants _________ = SUCKY CLICHE
 
2004-12-30 04:50:22 AM  
*Ring Ring!*
*Alien Speach* "Dear don't pick it up its those damn earthers!"

/bada-bing
 
2004-12-30 05:55:56 AM  
Jodie Foster must be involved somehow....

0100101000100100101001010100101001010010101
0100101010101011101010101010000100101010010
010101010100101010010101010100101010010101001001010001001001010010101001010010 10010101
0100101010101011101010101010000100101010010
010101010100101010010101010100101010010101001001010001001001010010101001010010 10010101
0100101010101011101010101010000100101010010
0101010101001010100101010101001010100101010
 
2004-12-30 06:10:38 AM  
Your cliche wants retirement

/actually though it was a pretty good use of it
 
2004-12-30 06:38:49 AM  
Setekh:

Geez, why don't we just paint a big target on Africa with big letters under it that say "Aim phasers and photon torpedos here you alien bastards!"


Do you have something against Africa or is it just your red neck showing?
 
2004-12-30 07:29:45 AM  
Sounds like a ploy to figure out how many people are interested in other civilisations and contacting them.
 
2004-12-30 07:46:22 AM  
I for one welcome our new UFO overlords...

/sorry one cliche to another...
 
2004-12-30 08:17:11 AM  
What Asteron said.

The article said that satellites can make great "interstellar postmen". The problem is that their method with this satellite is the equivalent to writing a letter to your friend, setting it on your porch, and sitting around to wait for your friend to come pick it up.

That's not very effective communication...
 
2004-12-30 09:13:56 AM  
Add your message to the bottom of this satellite, and send it to five other alien civilizations.... The last civilization not to send on this satellite was consigned to the Yetar Mines of Oobliax 6. A civilization that did send on this satellite achieved transcendance and now exists only as beings of pure light.
 
2004-12-30 09:18:33 AM  
CAN WE STOP WITH THAT OLD AND BUSTED CLICHE?

[image from home.satx.rr.com too old to be available]
 
2004-12-30 09:22:13 AM  
Asteron

>Ummm... RTFA
>There is no mention about beaming signals to space at all.

The first sentance of the article:
Russian satellite experts have developed new panels that will allow people to send messages into space where they can be intercepted by interstellar civilizations.

Just wondering what I missed...

/no idea how to bold/italicize. Total newb. Flame away.
 
2004-12-30 10:36:00 AM  
I don't believe this for a second. If it was is in Pravda I might.
 
2004-12-30 11:50:35 AM  
Crazy Horse:

>Ummm... RTFA
>There is no mention about beaming signals to space at all.

The first sentance of the article:
Russian satellite experts have developed new panels that will allow people to send messages into space where they can be intercepted by interstellar civilizations.


Reading comprehension is your friend. All that sentence vaguely says is 'send messages into space'. Not beam a signal... they are turning sattelites into bilboards. I'm sure they can be intercepted by aliens too.. as long as the aliens take the time to drive all the way to earth orbit to look at the satellites... If they're coming that close just leave the message in your house and wait for the aliens to come there.
 
2004-12-30 12:38:34 PM  
Aliens response..."Stop sending us spam!!"
 
2004-12-30 06:02:30 PM  
Asteron

Yes, these "new" panels will allow messages to radiate off into space, just like every other non-directional energy transmission source already being used. And yes, the primary purpose is to advertise to humans, not about humans to the litle green men.

I was just pointing out that there was indeed a mention of sending signals into space. Beaming, no. Sending, yes. The rest of your post I agree completely with - very eloquently put, actually.

And reading comprehension is my friend, but only because I give him a ride to work.

/Woohoo - I got second place in the special olympics!
//I'll STFU now. Sorry.
 
2004-12-30 11:20:31 PM  
If there are any intelligent life forms out there, they'll probably just be pissed off with us polluting beyond our crappy planet, as if there isn't enough shiat orbiting the universe now they'll have to dodge crappy art work, letters to Santa and rantings. We might as well just launch an porta-john out there, at least they could scientifically study the fecal matter.

I can just imagine the crap we'll be sending them, it'll be comparible to a finger painting by a 4 year old by their comprehension. "George - AGe 3" except it will be in Russian, which looks extra-terrestrial to me anways with their crazy mish-mashed ways.
 
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