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2004-12-29 02:57:34 PM  
I could sum up that in two words: no shiat.
 
2004-12-29 03:00:37 PM  
What this study totally fails to take into consideration is drinking culture. I come from a place where only one state-run store can sell alcohol, and you have to be 20 to buy it, and it's heavily taxed, and the penalties for buying it for youngsters are severe. Basically, access doesn't get much worse than that outside Saudi Arabia.

Yet most of us started drinking regularly at ages 14-16. Now I live in a country where you can buy beer at 16, it'S available in every supermarket and convenience store, and from what I can tell teen alcoholism isn't much of a problem at all.

If you were to go back to where I grew up and change the laws to be the same as here, all hell would break loose, for a while. Then people adapt, it's simply not that big of a deal if it'S all around you and you associate it more with old men on benches than hip youngsters in clubs...
 
2004-12-29 03:03:41 PM  
morrisonsl

Exactly, are we talking alcohol use, or alcohol abuse.
 
2004-12-29 03:07:32 PM  
My guess is that they studied "use", and it was inferred to reflect "abuse".
 
2004-12-29 04:51:38 PM  
Not true, it's probably *easiest* for them to buy it in France, but no one there gets plastered to celebrate 21 trips round the sun.
 
2004-12-29 08:10:29 PM  
America - alcohol = can't have til 21. it's taboo, u can't have it, which makes people want it.
result- we have tons of drinking problems

rest of modern nations = drink when u are old enough to hold the cup on your own, no big deal..whatever.
result- hardly any problems

i'm just trying to find a way to blame this on Bush.. or whitey.
 
2004-12-29 08:26:00 PM  
You'd be amazed at the underage people that try to bribe me at my job to sell them alcohol or tobacco products. I tell them my job is worth more than they could offer, or any jail time I might get!

/convenience store clerk

Also, just to add, I started buying alcohol when I was 18, but it was legal then. They didn't raise the age here in Louisiana until a year after I turned 21. Haven't stopped buying to this day.

/pickled liver
 
2004-12-29 09:18:03 PM  
I'd like to see some studies done on the differences between countries that make such a fuss about drinking and the countries that don't.

Because I grew facial hair at a rather young age, I was able to get into just about any bar or club when I was a teen. By the time I turned 21 drinking just wasn't that big of a deal.
 
2004-12-29 10:41:00 PM  
morrisonsl: you associate it more with old men on benches than hip youngsters in clubs


I think something similiar would happen with crack and heroin if we adopted more sane policies.

Let the junkies have their fix. Then let the kids watch the effect it has on the junkies. If we stopped making all these substances taboo, if we let nature take its course openly, I think most kids would be smart enough to choose moderation.
 
2004-12-30 12:52:23 AM  
I heard a great quote on the radio the other day. "Studies are great for 2 things, pointing out the painfully obvious, or being flat out wrong."
 
2004-12-30 12:53:08 AM  
Look at Quebec in canada, where it is common for beer and wine to be drank at a young age with meals.

The drinking age is 18, but in the culture you will find a much different attitude towards alcohol and abuse of said drug is much less prevalent.

Then you get 10000 americans and canadians invading who cross in and get pissed on the weekends ;)
 
2004-12-30 12:55:19 AM  
Some of us joke about drinking a lot, but this girl who is only 20 years old destroyed her liver from drinking. Now she needs a transplant. Or she'll die. Not cool.
 
2004-12-30 12:55:37 AM  
you'd think just having to live in Canada would drive the rate up.

/just sayin
//rather have a bottle in front of me...
 
2004-12-30 12:57:05 AM  
I've never imbibed a single drop of alcohol in my life.

/worst college student ever
 
2004-12-30 12:57:08 AM  
I'm 20, but have been able to buy alcohol since I was around 18 easily. I look much older than I am. I don't drink much anymore since I have better things to spend my money on. I never did see the logic in having the drinking age be 21.
 
2004-12-30 12:57:30 AM  
you're damn right he does
 
2004-12-30 12:58:25 AM  
in my book if your old enough to die for your country, youre old enough to have a beer.

but some country that thinks a younger drinking age will lower military recruits feels differently.

(no names were mentioned so it could mean any country:))
 
dam
2004-12-30 12:59:44 AM  
Crosshair: I never did see the logic in having the drinking age be 21.

Have you ever been around drunk 18 year olds? I see the logic. I say raise it to 30. You and I may be mature and responsible enough to handle drinking at 18-21, but unfortuntely there's a lot of asshats in the world who ruin it for the rest of us.
 
2004-12-30 01:01:23 AM  
samimgreen
/than ever get a frontal lobotomy
 
2004-12-30 01:03:28 AM  
My dad had forced me to have a sip of beer when I was 5 years old. I must confess but I didn't touch that shiatty stuff til I was 15. Anyway, I've learned to drink with my family and learned how to drink responsibly from my dad. Well, not based on good examples. Mostly learning from his mistakes...
 
2004-12-30 01:05:15 AM  
dam

i've seen drunk 18 yr olds. and i've seen drunk 40 yr olds. and in my opinion drunk 40 yr olds cause just as much trouble as drunk 18 yr olds. what does that mean?
 
2004-12-30 01:06:31 AM  
dam

i'm with you man

/21 years old
 
2004-12-30 01:10:33 AM  
Can these "Your X wants Y" headlines please stop? Pretty please? They were never funny, ever.
 
dam
2004-12-30 01:11:18 AM  
glacier26:

i've seen drunk 18 yr olds. and i've seen drunk 40 yr olds. and in my opinion drunk 40 yr olds cause just as much trouble as drunk 18 yr olds. what does that mean?


That means these so-called 40 year olds never grew up, and at 40 there's probably no hope for them and laws will never help them mature. There might still be hope for a 21, 23, or 25 year old. But who knows, I could be wrong.
 
2004-12-30 01:11:41 AM  
2004-12-30 12:59:44 AM dam [[TotalFark]]

Crosshair: I never did see the logic in having the drinking age be 21.

Have you ever been around drunk 18 year olds? I see the logic. I say raise it to 30. You and I may be mature and responsible enough to handle drinking at 18-21, but unfortuntely there's a lot of asshats in the world who ruin it for the rest of us.


I hate being around drunk 18 year olds too. That's why the drinking age should be 18, to get rid of the "I'm drinking illegally, this is taboo, this makes me cool!!" factor.

Notice at 21 it stops being such a big deal and people stop getting quite so shiat faced (at least in the numbers 18 year olds do)

or make pot legal so the 18 year olds will just sit and eat pizza, instead of puking all over the place and getting in fights
 
2004-12-30 01:15:33 AM  
the drinking age here is ridiculous.

it's way to hard for me to just buy some damn beer.
 
2004-12-30 01:20:54 AM  
dam


so there is no hope for people who are 18 and drink?
what do you think about 18 yr old soldiers fighting for your country? are they not mature? why send kids to war? why cant they drink a beer?

i'm not trying to argue at all... i'm just curious as to why some people dont think 18/19/20 yr olds are old enough to drink.... but old enough to join the military/old enough to start a family/old enough to vote
 
2004-12-30 01:21:26 AM  
last january i turned 18 and i just realised something now. i havent had a drop of alcohol at all this year (unless you count the beer roasted sausage, which i dont). its not like i drink much normaly, but this is like the first time in 3-4 years i havent had any at all.

meh whatever, i guess im one of those few kids out there that dont plane their week around how their gonna get booze for the weekend...
 
2004-12-30 01:22:31 AM  
or make pot legal so the 18 year olds will just sit and eat pizza, instead of puking all over the place and getting in fights

My freshman year and sophomore years in college, it would have been easier for me to find and buy pot than it would have been for me to buy beer. Not that I did either, you know, cause that would have been illegal. But I'm just saying, you know, hypothetically.
 
2004-12-30 01:26:58 AM  
It's so pointless to keep the drinking age 21. When will this country grow up and become civilized like our European counterparts?
 
2004-12-30 01:44:15 AM  
Cause, meet Effect.
 
2004-12-30 01:46:44 AM  
Location has a large affect on if the clerk will sell it to you. At my mom's for example, I can go to three different places and get it(mostly 7-11's), but at my dad's, nobody will sell it.
 
2004-12-30 01:46:57 AM  
Pot has always been easier to get ahold of where I'm from.
 
2004-12-30 01:50:36 AM  
if the government thinks that 17/18/19 yr olds arnt adults then they shouldnt allow them to be able to vote/drive/join the military/drink a beer... as they are still children if not adults.


its already been proven by ALL of europe/canada/asia that 17/18/19/20yr olds can drink just as responsably and just as wreckless as 40 yr olds.
 
2004-12-30 01:53:46 AM  
Teenage alcohol USE is much, much different from alcohol ABUSE. Use in moderation is actually good for you, despite what the temperance advocates and the anti-drunk driving groups would have you believe. It takes a lot of booze to wreck your liver, and a beer a day won't even have an impact; and it does good things for your heart. I'm under the drinking age, and I have, in my entire life, known one guy my age who really and truly abused alcohol, and plenty who had a beer every so often and never even came close to the point of abuse. Just lower the drinking age, and they won't want to drink so badly. As said before, this study looks at use and simply infers the same for abuse. If they looked at abuse, the results would be much different. That said, I never touch the stuff. I'm genetically loaded for addiction; so much so that I'm skitzy about some OTC painkillers.
 
2004-12-30 01:54:35 AM  
Alcohol consumption is highest in bumfark rural areas where there's nothing else to do but get drunk and drive your truck through the cornfields.
 
2004-12-30 01:58:16 AM  
theres no increse in teen drinking, theres just more studies on it then in other generations.
 
2004-12-30 01:59:15 AM  
Where I grew up they would not sell us beer. We had to drive about 30 miles into Detroit where we had no problem. That was part of the fun at the time. It didn't stop us!
 
2004-12-30 02:01:11 AM  
and also, if your not old enough to drink a beer your not old enough to join the army
 
dam
2004-12-30 02:07:21 AM  
glacier26: so there is no hope for people who are 18 and drink?

My point was that at 18 you're still learning about responsibility and self-control, and there's still hope that you will learn those things. If you haven't learned it at 40, there's probably little hope. Apparently somewhere along the lines it was decided that at 21 you've learned responsibility and self-control by doing things like being in the military for a couple years, having had kids for a couple years, contributed to society by voting for a couple years, being in college, having a real job, etc. At 18 you have little experience in the real world.

This isn't going to work for everyone, seeing that it didn't work for those 40 year olds. One can only hope, though, that our laws will suggest to enough kids out there that drinking is a serious responsibility, not just fun and games and there will be less alcoholics running around out there.

Joining the military at 18 is an excellent life experience in responsibility, discipline, and self control. How does that experience compare to drinking alcohol? What does an 18 year old learn about the real world by drinking alcohol? I don't see how drinking alcohol is as equally an important right as serving one's country.

I don't think an 18 year old is ready to drink. But that's just my opinion.
 
2004-12-30 02:15:05 AM  
Moderation can be taught at just about any age. With education and responsible parental examples you end up with a young person who knows what it's about and is much more likely to be responsible themselves. Prohibition of any sort has never really worked and has actually created much more harm than allowing the public to regulate themselves.
 
2004-12-30 02:19:56 AM  
Hahaha, 18 year olds aren't responsible enough to drink but they can vote and fight and pay taxes and all that good stuff?

My parents never had a problem with me drinking in high school. They knew I would do it regardless or just sit at home all the time. They talked to me about drinking responsibly and most importantly stated that if I was EVER in a bind based on alcohol (i.e., stuck with my only driver being drunk) to simply call them. So many teens sneak alcohol. I never had to. My parents knew I was responsible. Heck, there is a lot more risk of driving a car than drinking. With the exception of some idiot college kids, most people are smart enough to know their limitations at almost any age. If they aren't, then praise natural selection.
 
2004-12-30 02:25:50 AM  
dam

i see your point...... BUT
(not trying to argue)

how can someone say an 18yr old isnt grown up enough drink a beer, but he IS grown up enough to die for others so they can drink beer. they put their lives on the line so i can have a beer! why cant they have one?
joinign the military isnt just a 'life experience' it's putting your life on the line for others! one can only expect both to have the same rights/privileges.

either youre an adult or your not, there is no middle ground there.

keep in mind that all of europe/asia/canada has already proven 17/18/19 yr olds can drink just as responsably AND just as wreckless as 40 yr olds.
 
2004-12-30 02:34:59 AM  
Oh Christ. These stupid underage drinking laws we pass and enforce to pretend like we want to fix things.

1. 18 year olds can die for their country, vote, and pay taxes.
2. MADD skews their "drunk" driving statistics to try and say that harsher enforcement reduces the amount of drunk drivers. In actuality, they're just very good at skewing the stats to favor their agenda.
3. The rest of the world's 18 year olds handle drinking than ours. THAT might imply a pretty nice corrolation.

Ahhh, the law. Most of it doesn't improve conditions, it only gives people the right to say "we try and improve conditions".
 
2004-12-30 02:39:44 AM  
If you kids dropped the competitive binge drinking, maybe the age law wouldn't be necessary.
 
2004-12-30 02:42:50 AM  
yes, madd does skew their statistics.


it's already a 'proven' fact that 17/18/19 yr olds can drink just as responsably AND just as wreckless as 40 yr olds.

says who? says all of canada, asia and europe.


woah, thats almost everybody.
 
2004-12-30 02:44:36 AM  
RockIsDead

kids binge drinking?!?!?!

i think youre wrong.
 
2004-12-30 02:48:21 AM  
For the love of God, LET US DRINK BEER!



/illegally drunk off beer
 
2004-12-30 02:49:56 AM  
I'm legally drunk off of beer right now.

I freaking hate MADD.
 
2004-12-30 02:51:58 AM  
i'm also drunk!

and i hate madd to (not their message, just their means)

long live alcohol.....
 
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