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(Detroit News)   In a society designed for couples, singles are hit with higher taxes, higher insurance premiums, work more holidays and get fewer benefits. It's the glorification of couplehood   ( divider line
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2004-12-29 06:39:03 PM  
I just want to have pulsating vaginas installed on my doorknobs, then my single life will be complete.
2004-12-29 06:41:09 PM  
Yeah, whatever. Last time I checked, I was paying almost four times what my single co-worker in the same position did for benefits like medical, dental, and vision insurance. His take home was roughly $250 more than me per paycheck, which is after taxes.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
2004-12-29 06:41:16 PM  
I hate to say it, but DinoVomit wins this thread, what with the hookers snorting coke off wangs and pulsating vaginas on doorknobs and all.

2004-12-29 06:41:55 PM  
Without pictures of gay men farking, this story is irrelevant.
2004-12-29 06:42:28 PM  
Hmmm. Either my lifestyle is extraordinarily different than everyone else's, or there's a lot of people here who are talking through articles, and not experience.

Examples in relation to things posted on the thread:

Pre-wedding? What pre-wedding? My fiance and I are flying to Hawaii, getting married on the beach by snagging two likely looking people off the beach and bribing them with alcohol and pictures into being witnesses, and then chilling for a week or so without moving from said beach. No parents, no siblings, no far-flung-relatives.

Never apologizing for watching porn. You apologize? Why don't you watch it with your guy/girl? Am I weird that I do? We can critique the girls-only scenes together. When we're actually watching it, anyway.

Never apologizing for farting. ...Again, you apologize? Dude, if you don't apologize when you're single, you're not going to apologize when you're married. The world doesn't shift on its axis and turn Clark Kent into Superman when the marriage vows are swapped, I promise.

Mean, old women. Without intending to be offensive, not every girl is going to turn into your mother/grandmother/spinster aunt/sister/teacher. In agreement, however, not every woman is going to turn into a centerfold, too, so I guess that's really an opinion thing.

As for the taxes issue...Ah, well. I'm sure my fiance and I will just suck it up and go along. Our tax returns are never used for anything very important, anyway, it's just play-money.

Anyway. Marriage isn't as bad as divorcees and movies make it out to be. The key, however, is finding the right person to get married to.

Not to belittle divorcees, either, I"m sure it sucked for them.
2004-12-29 06:43:27 PM  

I don't think that I could quit over that, but it's a little thorn in my side. On a recent 5 month hitch to the middle east. A fellow soldier was making almost 600 a month more than me because of the difference in pay and his family separation pay. I don't want to cheapen him missing his family, but that's a little steep. I was able to focus on work and just missing having sex with hot young women he can't date anymore, but he had was always having thoughts about his family and how they were doing, etc. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, but money is not the way to resolve the issue. I ve been doing this life for over six years and intend to keep pressing through as a single soldier.

I do know menay soldiers that marry just for the bennifits, and then dont have any kids. I can see where they're comming from but there is no way that I'm going to put that stress into my life.
2004-12-29 06:47:36 PM  
I read somewhere that statistically, men are happier married and women are happier single. Which probably explains the social pressure on women to get married. But screw that. The guy would have to be absolutely freakin' PERFECT for me to consider marriage.
2004-12-29 06:48:02 PM  
I hate to say it, but DinoVomit wins this thread, what with the hookers snorting coke off wangs and pulsating vaginas on doorknobs and all.

ladies, I'm available.
2004-12-29 06:48:28 PM  
"I've been wrong before and I will be again. Infallibility would be a bore."

/name that quote
2004-12-29 06:50:04 PM  
...Okay, so it's a praphrased quote. Leave me alone, it's been years.

/perfection is overrated
2004-12-29 06:50:23 PM  
What a load. I've done much better financially single than married. Maybe that's because I've always hooked up with women that like to spend tons of money on frivolous things like food and clothing. What's wrong with beer, doritos, and an old pair of jeans?
2004-12-29 06:51:26 PM  

>I've been back living with him as housemates for six months
>now. We get along better as roomies than we ever could have
>thought of as spouses. Strange but true.
>And no, my current boyfriend isn't weirded out by this at

2004-12-29 06:51:59 PM  

>>I hate to say it, but DinoVomit wins this thread, what with the hookers snorting coke off wangs and pulsating vaginas on doorknobs and all.

>ladies, I'm available.

No small wonder.
2004-12-29 06:52:33 PM  

So do you want more, or him to earn less?

/still mystified that single douchenoozle bitterly complains that we get paid the same, but I get tax break (I support wife and two children, he supports himself and a massive drinking problem).

Fark him.
2004-12-29 06:52:40 PM  
Just Ignorant: "If you date a married woman, you get the best of all worlds."

A very sad statment which happens to be very true...

They don't yell, they don't tell and they don't swell... and they usually go away in about two to four months...

/knowingly and unknowingly dated married women...
2004-12-29 06:53:02 PM  
2004-12-29 04:46:55 PM eddyatwork
I agree with Ditto. I'd love to be able to pull the kid card and get out of work.

Yeah, hopefully your kid gets cancer.
2004-12-29 06:53:57 PM  
re: 'Marriage isn't as bad as divorcees and movies make it out to be.'

No, it's much worse. Movies and TV portray an unrealistic situation pandering to schoolgirl fairy tales. You will find out for yourself soon enough.
Then there is the 'right person' fallacy.
There is no 'right' person.
Only right now.

2004-12-29 06:54:04 PM  
I'm just annoyed at the way people with children(well not all) end up getting back more in taxes than they actually even paid. Why do we reward people for their mistakes? By mistakes I mean if your one of those people getting a bigger tax refund than what you actually paid b/c of your number of dependants, you made a mistake. Your having kids everyone else has to subsidize. Never mind the fact that people with children are a larger "burden" upon tax supported services.

/bitter liberal
//yes I'm a liberal
///classic liberal != throwing money at stupid people.
2004-12-29 06:57:10 PM  
Halfmast Trousers There's probably a decent sized intersection of the tort "reform" lawyer-haters and the so called family value types.

/got married yesterday. 4 people at the ceremony including myself and my beautiful bride. Small wedding definitely != bad
2004-12-29 06:57:33 PM  
So... if the married folk are dating, what the hell did they get married for again?

I seriously don't get it. JUST DON'T GET MARRIED.

Sanctity of marriage, my ass.
2004-12-29 06:58:00 PM  

Not sure if I agree with your math there, chief, but I sent your post to your parents, and you are OUT of the will.
2004-12-29 06:58:11 PM  
Not allowing gays to get married is one of the most retarded things wrong with this country. Up there with the drug war...

/christian who believes in the bible... if Jesus were here today, he'd say everyone shuld have the same damn rights... Especially since it involves more than just some stupid title, it involves legal and financial benefits... /they shuld be allowed to adopt to.. and no one dare mention that "oh but the kids might grow up gay!".. yeah.. right... seems to me most gays grew up to a heterosexual couple...

/believes homosexuality is a sin but hey we're all sinners...has lots of bi friends
2004-12-29 06:58:15 PM  
In Canada we have it the other way - we are punished for getting married ...I used to get some tax back for being poor as did my wife ...but when you combine our income the "household" makes enough money they figure...not that we are poor but they make no distinction tax wise between a 1 person "household" I guess

In Canada you can also deduct all child care expenses ...unless you take care of your kids yourselves...then I guess there are no associated expenses with kids.

So the Canadian government is pro day care and pro non marriage.

Reading this article it appears Americans dont like the singles as much wonder why that is?
2004-12-29 06:58:37 PM  
Do you not have such things as common law spouses in America?
2004-12-29 06:58:47 PM  

After checking your profile, you seem equally as crude.
2004-12-29 06:59:59 PM  
Steve French, notice I didn't say "Mr. Right" or anything like that. There's plenty of wrong people out there, and they seem to like getting married to more wrong people. I'm not entirely living in a box -- I'm a product of a failed marriage and I've watched more than my share crumble around me, family or otherwise.

Funny enough, it's easy to learn from it.

The difference for me, and I think for quite a few people here, is that I don't believe that I'm so special that any choice I make will automatically work out. I don't think that I can ignore reality and "God" will make it work.

Too many people get those rose-coloured glasses on when they contemplate marriage. I have a healthy respect for all of you sitting back and making clear your expectations without resorting to poetry. :)
2004-12-29 07:01:21 PM  
Congrats, flaEsq!

Now, um...why the hell are you on Fark and not still celebrating with said beautiful bride?
2004-12-29 07:02:32 PM  
Marriage sucks!

Imagine having the same thing for dinner day after day for the next sixty years!

Imagine seeing the person "who you love the most" in their worst clothes and with no make up/hair maintenance. (Hell my wife takes more time to fix her private area when she getting ready for a appointment for her gyno then a typical night at home.

If there were no children in my relationship I would not be renewing my contract (oh wait! I signed up for life! Yes I know I'm a dumbass)

I think that the person I'm married to is a wonderful human bieng. Just tired of day in day out. Whaaaaaa!
2004-12-29 07:02:55 PM  
I was smart about it. When I got married, I made sure I got the most out of the timing financially. Since I was a student, I got married before the FAFSA submission deadline (putting me below the poverty level technically), but after Jan 1 for the tax benefit of being single. And that's how I paid for college. Yeah, I'm one of those married people that gets taxed less, but that's because my husband's a shiftless bum with little to no income (depending on whether he's found a temp job or not). I don't have any offspring, so I don't take much money out of social services (and I've already paid enough taxes working to cover all my financial aid as a student).
2004-12-29 07:03:01 PM  
At least being single has its benefits...

You don't have to endure the intolerable whipping caused by a wife.

If a gf starts that with a guy, he can just leave her and move on.
2004-12-29 07:06:28 PM  
Admittedly, I am waiting for a Mormon or something to log in and start talking about having more than one wife is great and being Mormon offers variety, etc, or something propagandic like that.

Why not?

I'm headed home, so if any Mormons do log on, I'll be sure and check it tomorrow for fun.

Be good!
2004-12-29 07:07:02 PM  

In a society designed for couples, singles are hit with higher taxes, higher insurance premiums, work more holidays and get fewer benefits. It's the glorification of couplehood

I used to feel that way until I clawed and scratched my way up the ladder. Now, some poor bastard knows I'm going to take over another one of his projects because he has to leave at 4pm every day to pick up his kids from daycare.

2-3 years ago, ok. Singles ate shiat. Now? We win.
2004-12-29 07:08:48 PM  

It doesn't matter to me, like I said in and earlier comment, I enjoy this work and this lifestyle, I will continue to do it regardless. I simply what the pay scale to even out at some point.

/back to preparations for the next global war on (insert cause here)
2004-12-29 07:09:03 PM  
The collective government, through the taxation system
has decided to elevate the "value" of marriage. Meaning
that through the payment of (or avoidance of) taxes, society's
behavior will be subtly shaped. This is a value
judgement that is made on behalf of a society by
a government.

This very thing goes on with cars, tobaco, alcohol, etc.

It is called regulation through taxation. Why is
anyone surprised / annoyed at this???
2004-12-29 07:09:48 PM  
Great Article:

For many men, women are now looked upon as a necessary evil. Long term cohabitation, short term relationships and pornography has replaced what was once the married, monogamous relationship. Happily Married in many cases is replaced with Conveniently Shacked Up, Courtships have become 9 Weeks and internet porn has all but killed intimacy.
2004-12-29 07:13:14 PM  
Today's subtle attempt at an opinion piece meant to advance a liberal agenda disguised as news brought to you by the Detroit News!

Those incentives were brought into being to reward people for making a stable, happy family to raise children. Everyone knows how single parented/non traditional/homosexual families work out...they usually don't. Just because incentives exist to reward families doesn't mean singles are getting unfair treatment. Singles get treated normally, married couples get a 'bonus'.

/and no, I'm not antigay
2004-12-29 07:14:33 PM  
But the downside is, you're married.
2004-12-29 07:17:08 PM  
SweetlyKali Congrats, flaEsq!

Thank you!

Now, um...why the hell are you on Fark and not still celebrating with said beautiful bride?

She had to go back to work this eve :( Which sucks except it did saved me the embarassing side effects of being >40 instead of the good old daze back in my prime teens/20s. Youth is wasted etc.

/I know I was
//as best as I can recall
2004-12-29 07:17:18 PM  

Happily Married in many cases is replaced with Conveniently Shacked Up, Courtships have become 9 Weeks and internet porn has all but killed intimacy.

If you're an emotionally immature self-absorbed jackass, yeah.

/waaay too immature to get married.
2004-12-29 07:17:23 PM  
Augustus Caesar put penalties io singles too.
2004-12-29 07:18:58 PM  
"Those incentives were brought into being to reward people for making a stable, happy family to raise children."

Do people need incentives? Are we better off with lots of kids and lots of married people?
2004-12-29 07:21:02 PM  

Uh... sorry. Just a line from the article... not my personal opinion, but it does seem that is the way society, or at least Western society, is moving.
2004-12-29 07:21:43 PM  
Sharing a joint bank account can be more intimate than sex.
/cant' be married in USA land of the free.
2004-12-29 07:22:00 PM  
I can't believe this thread doesn't have any pics....
2004-12-29 07:22:52 PM  
Cake Hunter- I'm with you. Last night it was two Coscto hot dogs and cookies.
2004-12-29 07:24:59 PM  
Why in the fark would a man in his right mind get married anyway? You're pretty much guaranteed to be a slave to your job, and absolutely will lose your house and half your shiat once she decides she's had enough of you.
2004-12-29 07:25:53 PM  
TheGoblinKing: Everyone knows how single parented/non traditional/homosexual families work out...

Uh.. my mom was a single-parent, and we seem to have "worked out" just fine, thankyouverymuch.

/not married
/not until student loan is paid
2004-12-29 07:26:54 PM  
Let's not turn this into yet another "women are evil" thread, eh? There're plenty of us on the other side of the game who feel the same way.
2004-12-29 07:29:05 PM  

Let me guess...

Mom left dad because dad was a 'bad guy.' Bankrupted dad, moved on to...whoever(s) and now you think single-parenting is 'ok' because your mom got a free ride compliments of your dad... right?

I pity your future husband...

/single Male parent
2004-12-29 07:31:04 PM  
Cake Hunter: Bacon and grape

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