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(Detroit News)   In a society designed for couples, singles are hit with higher taxes, higher insurance premiums, work more holidays and get fewer benefits. It's the glorification of couplehood   (detnews.com) divider line 382
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2004-12-29 05:02:25 PM
I'm not seeing it.

Before my husband and I married, I put him through school and he didn't work. He got all kinds of need based grants, wavers and extra low interest loans and it made it so we could afford it. Now it's my turn and we're married now. He makes half of what I used to make (and we are now on the tax years that take his income into account and not mine) and we get NOTHING. If we had waited to marry, I'd be getting the same kind of aid that he got. Without being rude to the people in the Financial Aid Department, I asked, "Should we just get divorced until I graduate?" (not that there is any way I could even consider doing that).

Back when he was in school (and the rules are still the same), there is no place on the forms to ask if anyone is supporting you. If you're under 25, you have to go by what your parents make even if they don't pay a dime toward your education, but if you are over 25, they don't ask anything about anyone else non related to you supporting you. He was even my opposite sex domestic partner (for health insurance), but that didn't matter in the slightest (until we make it legal!).
 
2004-12-29 05:03:37 PM
Eh, singles pay less taxes and get better SS benefits.
 
2004-12-29 05:09:38 PM
Fast B: eddyatwork: I agree with Ditto.

See kids, redundancy is your friend :)


Damn, I totally didn't see that.
 
2004-12-29 05:41:24 PM
I thought married people had to pay more taxes. Is that not correct? I remember hearing something referred to as, "the marriage penalty tax" Maybe I just dreamed it up. I got married this year and I wouldn't mind getting more back than normal.
 
2004-12-29 05:42:05 PM
Come'on, we all know married people only have sex to make more tax deductions.
 
2004-12-29 05:43:05 PM
What's your point? Get married.

Unless you feel great about spending your whole life alone...;)
 
2004-12-29 05:44:11 PM
The pain and suffering of being married does not even come close to being alleviated by the meager tax breaks offered.
 
Bf+
2004-12-29 05:45:19 PM
marriage penalty = tax on stupidity.

/if only it was true.
 
2004-12-29 05:46:55 PM
I'm missing something here. I got married two years ago: Insurance rates exactly the same. Days off exactly the same. Benefits exactly the same. Taxes definitely higher.
 
2004-12-29 05:47:29 PM
Bonkthat_Again: So what your saying is we need to concentrate the government benefits on people with children not just because they are married. Though currently there is a large tax benefit for an unmarried parent, making less than 30K. Either way I agree make marriage and non marriage equal benefits, but lets help out us working parents, cause its hard.
 
2004-12-29 05:47:47 PM
Bacon and grapes.

New keyboard please, Cake Hunter. Nice one.
 
2004-12-29 05:47:48 PM
The benefits of not being married are few, but precious. For one thing, I don't have to deal with all the pre-wedding planning crap. I'm a female and have seen enough of it to turn me off from marriage 4ever.

Also, with all the U.S. states banning gays from marrying, the institution of marriage is starting to look like a whites-only country club. NO THANKS! Go ahead and tax me... I just want a monogamous heterosexual relationship without the hassles.

And posting to Fark is going to help me with that.. yehrite.
 
2004-12-29 05:48:32 PM
Fact: Married men live longer than single men.

Fact: Married men are more willing to die than single men.
 
2004-12-29 05:49:09 PM
Majik_Smoke: Fact: Married men live longer than single men.


No, it just seems that way

/Dad's old joke, probably true
 
2004-12-29 05:50:56 PM
Here's a fun twist...I'm a single parent of 1 child I have res custody of.

So you'd think I get the best of it eh? I'd think I do and I often wonder htf it is copules make it.

For example:

I make about 50k/year w/child sup figd in, and I have 2 ppl to support. Living a lower middle class lifestyle, we scrape by.

Htf is that possible? Many, many families of 4 make it on the exact wage (and job prob) that I do--yet I think I'm barely makin it. So how is it a family twice my size makes it? I've seen so many do it I've kind of come to the conclusion this post makes: married couples get perks I don't and thus their income is more relative then mine. I don't agree w/that tho.

Partially since I do get it great: I get a huge tax bonus for being a parent and I only have to support myself and a child w/a bit of child sup to boot.

/has been drinkin
 
2004-12-29 05:51:19 PM
Maybe I'm missing something -- but how about married filing separately?

And let's get this "gay marriage" thing worked out. I want to be able to move into an apartment with friends and "marry" them to enjoy the benefits but maintain the same non-sexual relationship.

"What? Are you gay?"

For tax purposes, sure why not?
 
jwd
2004-12-29 05:52:56 PM
single people pay more taxes, but at least you get to keep your balls.
 
2004-12-29 05:53:37 PM
I'm sorry, but "Why aren't you married?" is the most infuriating question. Every time some knucklehead asks me that it's either a horrible come-on or someone so friggin' oblivious it drives me nuts.
 
2004-12-29 05:54:12 PM
adam_cole:

I thought married people had to pay more taxes. Is that not correct? I remember hearing something referred to as, "the marriage penalty tax"

It has to do with the relative incomes of the couple. In a couple where one partner earns all the money, there is a significant tax break compared to singles. In a couple where both earn about the same amount, there is a significant penalty compared to singles, though there is currently a tax relief bill on the books which allows couples to file singly to avoid this. There is legislation up for deliberation that would extend this option indefinetely. So... Bottom line is that the marriage penalty doesn't currently exist, and is likely to not exist any time soon, while the marriage tax break does still exist. Make sense?
 
2004-12-29 05:54:14 PM
GoodyearPimp: For tax purposes, sure why not?

Hey, you're right! In fact, the same thing could be said about a man and a woman sharing an apartment - they might "marry" solely for the tax benefits. Better outlaw straight marriage too!
 
2004-12-29 05:54:23 PM
SailorNaboo

Have a couple of kids. I make right around the median income for my area, my wife doesn't work, and we have two children. I also attend school full time, and get plenty of financial aid. Of course, I'll be paying off loans until I die, but I also get Pell grants and state aid grants.

As for the tax thing, I think the reason people with kids get tax breaks is because the government recognizes that raising kids is very expensive, and operates under the theory that since a single person with no kids has more disposable income than someone making the same amount with kids, they should pay more in taxes. It's a progressive tax systems. It's the same reason rich people (who are less likely to use many government services) pay more than poor people.

I have no problem with people who don't like or want kids. Personally, I love my kids, and I am glad I had them. Even when I am having troubles with my spouse, I can look at my kids and realize that it was all worth it, and this tends to help me get over whatever problems I'm having with my spouse at the moment. I don't know what the statistics are for divorce rate among people with and without kids, but I know that overall my kids have been good for my marriage.
 
2004-12-29 05:54:32 PM
disgruntella said...

"I'm a female and have seen enough of it to turn me off from marriage 4ever."

I'm a male, getting married next month, and it's about done it for me. I thought that all I had to do was ask, and she'd "take care of the rest". Oh, how wrong that turned out to be...

/won't be the last thing I was wrong about, I'm sure.
//starting to wonder if this was a good idea.
 
2004-12-29 05:56:11 PM
SueDisco:

I'm sorry, but "Why aren't you married?" is the most infuriating question. Every time some knucklehead asks me that it's either a horrible come-on or someone so friggin' oblivious it drives me nuts.

So, why aren't you??
 
2004-12-29 05:57:34 PM
Well the article isn't about single people. Its about people who aren't married living together and complaining about not getting the benefits of marriage!

Good grief people make a commitment or don't make a commitment, but don't complain when you can't have your cake and eat it too.

And the one couple in the article that's going in on a mortgage together. I can't even fathom how nuts that is. What's going to happen when this couple breaks up? Who gets to keep what half of the stuff? The social idea of marriage means you get a (hopefully) unbiased arbitrator in those matters automatically.

But to each his own I guess.

/ 3rd anniversary today
// happily married
/// sad that marriage doesn't mean anything to most people anymore
 
2004-12-29 05:57:52 PM
SueDisco:

I'm sorry, but "Why aren't you married?" is the most infuriating question. Every time some knucklehead asks me that it's either a horrible come-on or someone so friggin' oblivious it drives me nuts.

So, Sue why aren't you marri.....

/running away
 
2004-12-29 05:57:59 PM
My ex was a bridesmaid and dragged me to the bridal shop with her to get fitted for her dress.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER EVER GO TO A BRIDAL SHOP.

I still have nightmares.
 
2004-12-29 05:58:00 PM
Dear Unmarried Farkers:

Fark you; I got mine!

Love:

Programmer Cat (who got married on 31 October 2004)
 
2004-12-29 05:58:24 PM
Actual joke.. Don't remember who..

Married men live longer..

So do indoor cats..

I'm happily married.. All you suckers who are not, get a life.. Let the flaming begin..
 
2004-12-29 05:58:39 PM
moth:

Many, many families of 4 make it on the exact wage (and job prob) that I do--yet I think I'm barely makin it. So how is it a family twice my size makes it?


You shouldn't base how you're doing on what other peoples' lifestyles are worth unless you have full and complete access to all of their financial records. You would be amazed at how many people maintain these lifestyles through crippling revolving debt. If you have what you need, and are not taking on debt, than you can count yourself as successfully "making it," even if you don't have a boat as nice as the neighbors'.
 
2004-12-29 05:58:43 PM
Marriage: The First Step to Divorce

/obvious
 
2004-12-29 05:58:44 PM
There's something wrong with that graph at the end.

"Marital status for the population 15 years and over"??

I didn't realize there were that many married 15 year olds...
 
2004-12-29 06:00:40 PM
DaveX --
"//starting to wonder if this was a good idea."


It's not, it's pretty damn stupid from a guy's legal point of view, especially after there are children.
 
2004-12-29 06:01:00 PM
SailorNaboo--That's actually only partially true about having to report your parents income if you are under 25. If you can prove by yours and your parents tax returns that they did not claim you and you filed on your own, the government considers you basically "emancipated".

//nowhere on those forms to say you are divorced, and your parents haven't supported you since you were 18.
///OK, will not start ranting about federal financial aid. Or lack thereof.
 
2004-12-29 06:01:43 PM
disgruntella: For one thing, I don't have to deal with all the pre-wedding planning crap.

People make a big deal out of the pre-wedding crap because they think they have to. Trust me, you don't. My wife and I got married in a quiet ceremony at a small church that we attended at the time. Total attendance was me and my wife, the minister, my father, his wife, and her two kids. It was very nice, simple, and there was no stress. We've been married now for 6 years. The whole wedding industry is a crock.
 
2004-12-29 06:02:18 PM
I'll take higher taxes and less holidays if that means I can still do whatever I damn well please all the time.

/not even close to ready to be married and have kids
//not sure if I'll ever be
 
2004-12-29 06:02:43 PM
article and headline are wrong. Married people pay MORE taxes. That's why they call it the marriage penalty.
 
2004-12-29 06:02:46 PM
P.S. Also tired of being looked at funny "you're 43 yrs old and never married?" As a result of being single, I actually have been told that I must be a lesbian.

I'm 40 and unmarried, and I got the same crap at an office party last year from the wife of a coworker. She's also told me and other unmarried female employees at my workplace that unmarried women are doomed to be lonely, sad, sickly and impoverished in their old age if they don't marry. I have yet to tell her that her husband, my coworker, has attempted to grope me on at least two previous occasions, and groped other female coworkers as well (he stopped when he was threatened with loss of tenure, although he still leers). I'm waiting for the right occasion to tell her that I'd rather be sickly, frail and impoverished than tied to her randy old goat husband.

I'm sure there are men somewhere out there who would make delightful and lovely husbands to lucky women, but so what? As a single woman, my money is my own, my time is my own, I can go on vacation whenever I feel like it and not when the kids have time off from school, I don't have to fight for the TV remote, and if I meet someone I'd like to share more than time with ... like the song says, ain't nobody's business but my own. Keep the tax credits -- I'll keep my sanity.
 
2004-12-29 06:03:07 PM
lunchbox1972: I'm happily married.. All you suckers who are not, get a life

Hmm. I'm single and reasonably satisfied with my life. Is your existence so pathetic that you define yourself by your marriage?
 
2004-12-29 06:03:17 PM
SueDisco --
"I'm sorry, but "Why aren't you married?" is the most infuriating question. Every time some knucklehead asks me that it's either a horrible come-on or someone so friggin' oblivious it drives me nuts."


Just tell them what I tell my relatives...

"I won't cave to peer pressure."
 
2004-12-29 06:03:18 PM
Don't blame the government, state or federal, for setting things up in a manner that is disadvantageous to you. I don't blame the government for doing things despite my preference any more than I blame fish for swimming and monkeys for throwing poo. If you are going to throw stones, aim at the dining room window of your nearest neighbor that voted in opposition to you.

/tongue securely pressed against cheek
 
2004-12-29 06:03:23 PM
Funny guys...you're a real laugh riot.

I'm only 27 and haven't met anyone interested in me that isn't A)alcoholic B)chronically lazy or C)sorta crazy in a while...not that I haven't had fun with some of these guys, it's just that I'm not settlin' down with them. By the way, that is NOT the way to answer the question when it's posed by a well-meaning, older family friend.

My point is that the question sucks because if you have no answer they think you're gay or if you say "I just haven't meant the right guy" they treat you with pity like you're some starry-eyed ingenue waiting at home for the phone to ring. Neither is the case. If I met a great guy and a wedding was in the cards, great. If not, I'm pretty happy single too. I could live with my life more or less as is forever and be totally happy and fulfilled. People seem puzzled by that answer.
 
2004-12-29 06:03:33 PM
If not allowing gay marriage is about reproduction, where are the laws not letting infertile people breed? They have the same probability as two dudes as conceiving...
 
2004-12-29 06:03:40 PM
Bacon and grapes.

Cake Hunter, that is easily the funniest thing I've read in awhile. Thanks.
 
daz
2004-12-29 06:04:14 PM
Wait a minute, higher taxes for singles?

This article is talking about the USA right?

If so, then they are dead wrong, it's way more expensive to be married. That's why they call it the "Marriage PENALTY" (note the emphasis).
 
2004-12-29 06:04:15 PM
Being single means never having to apologize after you fart
 
2004-12-29 06:05:52 PM
Being single means not getting in trouble for watching porn
 
2004-12-29 06:07:05 PM
evlisevlis --
"article and headline are wrong. Married people pay MORE taxes. That's why they call it the marriage penalty."


Yeah, sure you do. My g/f and I could save a lot of money in property tax alone if we moved in together and sold one of our houses.
 
2004-12-29 06:08:01 PM
Cake Hunter: You know what I had for dinner last night?

Bacon and grapes.

Mmmm... bacony grape goodness!!


mmmm, unexplained bacon..
 
2004-12-29 06:08:33 PM
Being single means that once you apolagize, all is forgiven.
 
2004-12-29 06:08:49 PM
Omega Ohm:

Yeah, sure you do. My g/f and I could save a lot of money in property tax alone if we moved in together and sold one of our houses.

Sure, but you could do that without getting married, so how does that relate to the marriage penalty?
 
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