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2004-12-29 04:49:31 PM  
On the subject of teachers unions, please give me a good reason as to why pay is not merit based. Several of my friends wives are teachers, with tenure, and could tell me now exactly how much they will be making in 5 years, regarless of what happens.

Thats a crock in my mind. Tenure below the highschool level is rediculous as well.
 
2004-12-29 04:51:35 PM  
Flame on!
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2004-12-29 04:52:44 PM  
Seth_J

You had it right without the slash...a high middle school kid could do that job.
 
2004-12-29 04:54:46 PM  
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2004-12-29 04:55:04 PM  
Company loyalty went out the door in the 70's, it boarded a plane and headed out of the country in the 80's.

Sorry, when companies proved that all they cared about was the bottom line, the employees did the same. What do you expect?

I can't farking understand for the life of me why companies these days don't just close the doors as soon as a union forms.

LineNoise, Tenure is bullshiat at every level.
 
2004-12-29 04:55:39 PM  
Getting paid to manage a billion dollar airline is disproportionate to throwing boxes around. You do either one bad and you should get fired.

Just curious... how are they a billion dollar airline if they're begging for corporate welfare?
 
2004-12-29 04:56:43 PM  
I knew a man who hung drywall
He hung it mighty quick
A trip or two to the blue room
Would help him do the trick
His foreman would pat him on the back
Whenever he would come around
'Cause these dammed blue-collar tweekers
Are beloved in this here town.
 
2004-12-29 04:56:52 PM  
What moxie

/Marty Bass reference

How about just running your company properly?!?!

/another Marty Bass reference
 
2004-12-29 04:59:41 PM  
why don't the executives go down and do some real "hands-on" work instead?

you know, for the good of the company?
 
2004-12-29 05:00:57 PM  
Nanners
"ust curious... how are they a billion dollar airline if they're begging for corporate welfare?"
do you really need help answering that qustion?
 
2004-12-29 05:02:42 PM  
One step closer to slavery.
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Excelllent.
 
2004-12-29 05:03:53 PM  
brazil

Life is to be seized and reveled in. To be enjoyed and pushed for all it's worth just for the joy one receives from accomplishment and the rewards therein.

You realise that this is precisely what union members are trying to do, and you're just being ironic, right?
 
2004-12-29 05:04:23 PM  
If I worked for US Airways and was oblivious enough to have missed their first two bankrupcy filings, I think this article would kick off my job search.

/capitalist pig
//oink oink
 
2004-12-29 05:04:53 PM  
Anything that is wrong with a union is wrong with a company. What a union does it is it allows a group of people sell their services to a company with a better position. If the argument is that a company charging too much will go under, so will the union.

Unions are not anti-capitalism. They are two-way capitalism. Either reject the whole thing or none of it, no double talk.
 
2004-12-29 05:04:56 PM  
If the idiot execs at the airlines would stop trying to run 8 flights a day to a destination when the plane is only half full, just MAYBE they wouldn't be in a financial straight.
 
2004-12-29 05:05:10 PM  
Yeah!

Work for free so that the US Airways execs can have their 6-figure bonuses. Suckers.

This is why I like Steve Jobs. When Apple was in trouble he was only paid $1 per day, until the company was back on its feet.
 
2004-12-29 05:07:47 PM  
I just flew on US Airways last week.

They were very nice, and they have better snacks than Delta, which I'd tkaen the week before (Snyder's pretzels vs. crappy bisuit cookie).

I will be sorry to see them go.
 
2004-12-29 05:07:50 PM  
No one should have to suffer a pay cut because of the incompetence of management. I support the flight attendants and baggage handlers in their "wildcat strike." It's about time management felt the pinch of their bad decisions. I'm sorry about all the customers who suffered, but something had to be done.
 
2004-12-29 05:09:34 PM  
Omega Ohm

LineNoise, Tenure is bullshiat at every level.

I don't know about that... I think that at the high school and university levels there is something to be said for it.

My sister is a professor, and she's getting pushed out because she's fighting for her program while the school itself is scaling back. She volunteers her time on campus w/ many students and different programs, she's come up w/ several innovative programs that the students enjoy (and are worth it, not just take-this-and-get-an-A type stuff)...

But she's not tenured, so they can tell her to shove off...
 
2004-12-29 05:09:52 PM  
pentode:

I support the flight attendants and baggage handlers in their "wildcat strike." It's about time management felt the pinch of their bad decisions.

The downside to this strategy, of course, is that it isn't management that feels the pinch - it's the paying customer.
 
2004-12-29 05:10:48 PM  
Well, Hyernel, when you are a successful CEO of two major companies and have a net worth of $1.28 billion that you can afford a bit of a pay cut.
 
2004-12-29 05:11:00 PM  
Brazil: It [money] is a reflection of your character.

---wow.

I guess Ken Lay, the Girls-Gone-Wild guy, Howard Stern, and the local drug dealer all have better "character" than I do

...even though I could up my salary by 75% in the private sector tomorrow, give more than I should to charity, funnel most of the grant monies I win to underpaid and overworked students, and donate my research time to the local community, and stay where I am because I love teaching and trying to better my community...

...I must be real scum of the earth character-wise...because I don't hold a candle to those folks I listed above on your "character" scale
 
2004-12-29 05:11:07 PM  
USAir executive salaries are absurd. They have 15 VP's earning more than what the CEO of JetBlue get's paid. And that's while losing millions annually!

They claim they need to restructure and become competitive with the small carriers, but apparently that only applies to their union workers and equipment.
 
2004-12-29 05:11:17 PM  
PLEASE HELP!!

What's the name of that group with the 'american values' in television that has the fcc complaint link on their home page?
 
2004-12-29 05:12:26 PM  
Hyernel

This is why I like Steve Jobs. When Apple was in trouble he was only paid $1 per day, until the company was back on its feet.

Agreed... but that was his salary... any bonuses? How about stock options (which be worth a friggin' mint at this point)...

Didn't he also get unlimited use of the corporate jet?

/Jobs is still a good guy, just saying...
//Perot promised to put his presidential salary towards the national debt
 
2004-12-29 05:12:28 PM  
U.S. Airways asks non-union employees to work for free over the holidays

right... "asks"... US Airways also respectfully points out that non-union employees who refuse to perform slave labor will be "asked" to find another job...
 
2004-12-29 05:12:51 PM  
Who feels safe getting on a plane serviced by people not being paid?
 
2004-12-29 05:13:41 PM  
Its funny how all you high paid executives jump on the unions at fark. Google USAir and executive salaries. Its fairly enlightening. For example: In 2001, the top three executives were bought out of their contracts for $45 million. Perhaps its bad deals like this and not unions that will be responsible for their demise.

/flame on
 
2004-12-29 05:14:19 PM  
unions suck.
 
2004-12-29 05:15:14 PM  
Job pay is governed by the law of supply and demand, except in certain cases such as where unions have an effect. If you're a garbageman and want more money, try getting yourself an edumacation.

/Moving to a higher paying position with a new company this week!
 
2004-12-29 05:15:20 PM  
Union Busters need to make a reappearance. Unions are strangling much of the economy.
 
2004-12-29 05:15:36 PM  
EatHam: bs. As an hourly wage, teachers get paid relatively well.

Only if you are stupid enough to think a teacher's job ends at 3:00 pm when the kids get let out of school.
 
2004-12-29 05:15:39 PM  
What union worker at Us Airways is overpaid?
Serious, how much money do those people make?
 
2004-12-29 05:15:50 PM  
lunchinlewis
USAir executive salaries are absurd. They have 15 VP's earning more than what the CEO of JetBlue get's paid. And that's while losing millions annually!

My opinion is that "working for free" should start at the top. If the executives in the company and those above me feel strongly enough about it to do their job without pay or perks, then give me a call. My job isn't that bad, but if I'm not going to get paid I might as well stay home and watch anime.
 
2004-12-29 05:15:58 PM  
Eric Hexagon

Who feels safe getting on a plane serviced by people not being paid

I barely feel safe on the decent ones... some of them look and sound like an old car... I don't need to hear excessive grinding and whining-engine noises while in the critical 1 to 5,000ft climbing range...
 
2004-12-29 05:16:09 PM  
If you don't "volunteer", your name goes on the list to get canned in the next go-round.

This type of thing should be illegal.
 
2004-12-29 05:16:40 PM  
how dare employees try to sell their labor at higher rates as a union! only management gets to figure out how to sell their wares at as high a price as they can get! don't those pinkos know this is American capitalism?!?

We're gonna need lots more free working to stay competitive, kids. Take China...now *there* are some managers who understand free enterprise, bootstrapping, and productivity!

What I wouldn't give to have their motivational tools. We could be a real growth engine with that kind of thinking.
 
2004-12-29 05:17:46 PM  
1) Reduce everyone's salary (who is over) to $200,000.
2) Fire anyone one complains, replace with people who are smart enough to be extremely happy with $200,000.

Stock options? Never.
Stock purchase plan? Equal from CEO to janitor.
Anything else? No.

Don't like it? You're an idiot.

Thanks for playing.
 
2004-12-29 05:17:53 PM  
LineNoise:

On the subject of teachers unions, ....

Tenure below the highschool level is rediculous as well


Why?
 
2004-12-29 05:18:17 PM  
Only if you are stupid enough to think a teacher's job ends at 3:00 pm when the kids get let out of school.

Brotheralpha is correct. My mother was a teacher in the heart of Detroit (which should be worth bonus pay right there). And she was often grading papers and doing lesson plans until midnight.
 
2004-12-29 05:18:56 PM  
Unions allowed this country to be an economic powerhouse. Now with all that is happening.......over the last 10 or so years our economy is going down hill. Euros anyone??
 
2004-12-29 05:19:17 PM  
oh, and also, there are no bathroom breaks, and all non-union employees who "volunteer" are required to buy a $100 New Year's party favor kit at the company store (to create a festive holiday atmosphere on half-filled New Year's flights).
 
2004-12-29 05:19:17 PM  
work a free day, for a company that is planning on laying me off in the next 3-6 months when it goes boobies up?

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2004-12-29 05:19:31 PM  
BigTuna: Education is the most important tool we have to shape the future,

I have nothing to add to your post, I just think people need to read that line again.
 
2004-12-29 05:21:03 PM  
I liked this amusing part from another article:

In its message to its employees Tuesday, US Airways said the volunteer program "promises to be a rewarding opportunity to learn more about the operation of our airline and come face to face with our customers."

Yeah I'm sure those customers returning home who missed spending Christmas with their families and had their bags lost due to US Airways f*cking up are gonna be real happy campers.

They should have added to the message "After the face to face meeting with our customers your face may look differently than it did when it arrived. Bring sunglasses to conceal the blackeyes you will get. We recommend covering your clothing in flame retardent just in case anyone tries to set you on fire. Wear layered clothing to soften the blows to your body. Men, wear a cup."
 
2004-12-29 05:21:06 PM  
I bet those non-union workers that don't "volunteer" won't be around much longer.
 
2004-12-29 05:21:12 PM  
"My mother was a teacher in the heart of Detroit (which should be worth bonus pay right there). And she was often grading papers and doing lesson plans until midnight."

At least she gets the summers and Christmas off.
 
2004-12-29 05:22:29 PM  
mutilato


So am I. The Unions are decidedly part of that system. This prevents the means of valuing labor from being completely in the hands of administrators and permits EVERYONE to have a say in the value of labor.

What planet are you from? Unions are run by administrators themselves these days, you think the head of this baggage handlers union has ever lifted any luggage that didn't belong to him? Certainly not, Unions are just another layer of administration. I'm sure the union boss gets paid at least as well as the executives your blaming for the problem. The union looks out for itself, which might indeed work for the members short term, but when they kill the golden goose it's members will starve.
 
2004-12-29 05:22:54 PM  
chakalakasp:

Why all the union hating? Unions are just people organizing to look out for themselves. Captialism requires this. Companies certainly organize to look out for themselves, just like countries do. The one less that you can teach any anarchist is that the lonely man is the weak man. Further, capitalism is made stronger through competition, and the workers competing with their paymasters is a good system, as this allows a realistic and fluid balance between organizational profit and labor wage.

Individuals have to decide for themselves what they are worth, not a group that pays the same wage to the most productive as the least productive. Unions monopolize and restrict the supply of labor, subverting the free market.
 
2004-12-29 05:23:12 PM  
oh an close freakin BOLD

/so ashamed
 
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