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2004-12-29 07:00:08 AM
On New Year's Day 1997, a Harris County man who had fired celebratory shots at a backyard tree went inside his home to examine his gun when the weapon jammed. The gun discharged accidentally, killing his 7-year-old daughter. A grand jury declined to indict him.

That same night, a man was killed by a stray bullet from celebratory gunfire. The shooter also wasn't indicted.

In 1999, a stray bullet struck a pregnant woman in her shoulder as she watched fireworks north of downtown Houston. She survived.

Police could not provide statistics on celebratory gunfire, but 8,601 incidents of discharging firearms were reported in Houston city limits over the past year, said Crime Stoppers executive director Kim Ogg.


Ok so now we need to make laws because a single person died as a result of a tradition that goes how far back? Honestly people. If it was REALLY a problem with it, it would've been taken care of a long time ago.
 
2004-12-29 07:01:12 AM
oi.. too many its in that sentence... its too damn late.
 
2004-12-29 09:16:59 AM
I remember that same incident, but it is one of many "celebratory injuries" that happen every July 4 and December 31.

The last sentence, that over 8,000 people called the cops about shots being fired in downtown, kinda helps put it in perspective.
 
2004-12-29 09:18:15 AM
Yeeee-ha!
 
2004-12-29 09:58:26 AM
Can we just change the name of the state to Dumbfcukistan already?
 
2004-12-29 10:13:24 AM
Not going to happen. :)
 
2004-12-29 10:16:03 AM
Modmins: Texas trying to get its well-armed residents to stop shooting their guns in the air for New Year's Eve

Thanks.
 
2004-12-29 10:22:33 AM
Is shooting in the air a first amendment, free speech, issue or a second amendment, gun rights, issue?
 
2004-12-29 10:36:48 AM
2004-12-29 09:58:26 AM Mr_Fabulous
Can we just change the name of the state to Dumbfcukistan already?


No, assholes like you have already claimed it for Illinois
 
2004-12-29 10:58:35 AM
On New Year's Day 1997, a Harris County man who had fired celebratory shots at a backyard tree went inside his home to examine his gun when the weapon jammed. The gun discharged accidentally, killing his 7-year-old daughter.

That's going out of the way to tie this idiot's inability to clear a weapon without putting his boogerhook on the bangswitch to stray bullets killing kids.
 
2004-12-29 11:01:35 AM
i rarely say this, but we're going to need a new tag for this state full of retards. the good news is, we won't have to deal with them for much longer. when i'm president, i'm giving texas back to mexico, obviously in exchange for all of baja. it's win-win. the collective IQs of both countries will rise significantly.

only two things come from texas...
 
2004-12-29 11:35:47 AM
Jay Gielle You can't actually "give Texas back to Mexico" because before TX joined the union in 1845 it was an independent country. We threw out Mexican rule in 1836.
 
2004-12-29 11:47:45 AM
bargirl24:

Jay Gielle You can't actually "give Texas back to Mexico" because before TX joined the union in 1845 it was an independent country. We threw out Mexican rule in 1836.

i agree there are some legal complications, but i have figured out most of them. i've gotta go run but i'll give more details when i get back in a couple of hours.
 
2004-12-29 12:05:44 PM
Whatever legalities you have figured out most likely don't figure in the fact that:

1. Texas is the second most populated state Many of us are armed and will fight against a policy to cede us back to Mexico
2. Texas pays more in federal tax dollars than we recieve back from the US Govt, which means a massive drop in revenue. The US economy would collapse without Texas and California proping it up. The United States would be in big trouble if TX and/or CA seceded from the Union today, however either (nation)state would prosper once it was able to keep 100% of its tax funds for itself.
 
2004-12-29 12:32:36 PM
bargirl24: No, assholes like you have already claimed it for Illinois

So nanny nanny doo doo!
 
2004-12-29 01:51:42 PM
I might be responsible for getting some idiot arrested on New Year's Eve, '97. (Maybe it was '96, I don't remember)

We were living in some crappy apartments west of Houston. Because there was a big parking lot, all the firebugs congregated there to do their fireworks. It was outside the city limits, so I figured we couldn't really complain.

Then I started hearing what sounded like explosions very close to the building. I went outside, only to find a drunken neighbor with several rifles lined up against a wall and a shotgun in his hands. I smiled, and did the head's up gesture, then went back inside and locked the doors. I didn't know the guy, so I had no problem calling the cops.

The only problem was that the cops came to OUR door- I guess they got the info wrong. We shared a common wall with the shooter, so we'd gone to the back of the apartment. I heard somebody beating on our door, and when I looked out the peephole, the cops were pointing their guns at me. I said something like "wrong apartment, I'm opening the door," and then I told them that I'd made the call and it was the next apartment over.

That dude never came home. I'm guessing he had warrants, or god knows what happened, really. But I did learn that when you call the cops on somebody, you should never give them your own address when they ask for it.
 
2004-12-29 02:53:57 PM
Like, we need another reason to stay away from Texas.
 
2004-12-29 04:19:51 PM
Dallas is considering such high-tech equipment and video cameras where the problem is most prevalent.

Polite way of saying "in the hood."

Chicago is installing such a system, and five small cities across the country are taking similar approaches.

Wow, you mean this doesn't just happen in Texas? Who'd uh thunk it?
 
2004-12-29 04:42:08 PM
bargirl24:

Whatever legalities you have figured out most likely don't figure in the fact that:

1. texas is the second most populated state Many of us are armed and will fight against a policy to cede us back to Mexico
2. texas pays more in federal tax dollars than we recieve back from the US Govt, which means a massive drop in revenue. The US economy would collapse without texas and California proping it up. The United States would be in big trouble if tx and/or CA seceded from the Union today, however either (nation)state would prosper once it was able to keep 100% of its tax funds for itself.


actually, both of your concerns are not valid. i am aware that texas is the second most populus state, and that there are a number of armed individuals. that won't be my problem. that will be a problem for the mexican government. b/c the handover will be legal, armed resistance against the united states beforehand, or against the mexican government afterwards, would be a form of terrorism. it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are a great many supporters of terrorism in texas. in the current climate, engaging in terrorist activities would very quickly get you on everyone's shiat list.

your comment on the economy is wrong in a great number of ways. to start, texas receives 98 cents for every dollar it sends to DC. not bad as far as these things go. in aggregate, texas sends 122.1 billion and gets back 119.8 billion for a difference of 2.3 billion. That's not really a 'massive drop in revenue'; i think we can afford it. and since all military spending in tx will be redirected when the bases are moved, that number gets even better. here's the link:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/texas/taxingspending.html
(sorry, i can't html my way out of a paper bag).

The US economy would not collapse if CA or tx were to secede. would the US economy be smaller, yes. but there'd be fewer people, so GDP per person would remain unchanged. actaully, b/c tx is a relatively poor state, average GDP would rise. and since mexico is part of NAFTA, there'd be no new trade barriers. someone with a higher degree in econ could explain this way better if they took the time to write it out. if i took some time, i'd do a decent job too, but since the comment is so wrong, i don't want to get into it now. if it bothers you, we can revisit later.

don't worry bargirl24. since everyone (sort of) in texas is an american citizen, they'll be allowed to move to other parts of the US. and if they stay in tx, they'll be considered US citizen living abroad, though they'll be subject to whatever laws Mexico has about resident aliens. so you'll still be an American and you'll still be living in texas (if you want to stay).

sorry for not going into the details of the plan right now, but i got busy with some other stuff. i'll try to get it up here in a few hours or so. thanks for your patience.
 
2004-12-29 04:51:30 PM
Wow Jay, way to go man. I think you may have broke the record on the amount of retard spewed by one person over a thread that hasn't hit the main page yet.
 
2004-12-29 04:57:21 PM
The point it, bullets fired in the air don't magically "disappear". They fall back down at a very fast rate and if someones head is in the way, it's probably not a very good day for them. So now, someone is dead because some dickhead needed to shoot a gun in the air to celebrate the fact they have to buy a new calandar?

/"tradition" my ass
 
2004-12-29 05:27:19 PM
I always knew Texans and Arabs had something in common.

/I kid.
 
2004-12-29 05:27:40 PM
Local authorities are asking Los Angelinos not to fire at the spacecraft, they may inadvertently trigger an insterstellar war...

/obscure?
 
2004-12-29 05:27:56 PM
bargirl
It's a little early to be hitting the meth pipe, don't you think?

/I keed, I keed
 
2004-12-29 05:28:47 PM
For everyone's information, this is a "tradition" of the Hispanic community, not Texans in general. It would not be politically correct for a newspaper to point this out, but that's the case.
 
2004-12-29 05:28:51 PM
Can anyone name the last "good" thing that ever came out of Texas?

I hate that farking state
 
2004-12-29 05:30:05 PM
Your mom's hairy snatch?
 
2004-12-29 05:32:37 PM
Isn't Texas the only state that has it written that it could cede from the rest of the US if it wants to?

/just a Brit, so excuse the stoopid question
 
2004-12-29 05:33:11 PM
When this happens, its usually not rednecks (as i'm sure most of you are assuming) shooting weapons in the air, its usually blacks and mexicans living in urban (read: ghetto) areas. It happens in every large city in bad parts of town.
 
2004-12-29 05:33:18 PM
texas: where having a dirty roach clip is a felony
shoplifting a six-pack of beer is a felony

but...

beating your wife is a misdemeanor. and a class "b" at that!

texas is full of farking morons. no, i'm wrong, the ones that are visiting tend to have helped the gene pool over the years.
 
2004-12-29 05:33:38 PM
bargirl24:

1. Texas is the second most populated state Many of us are armed and will fight against a policy to cede us back to Mexico

Like Mexico would want you.

You're sort of like the gay kid in the extended Irish Catholic family; we put up with you because technically you're part of the family, but we still make fun of you behind your back.

And to your face.

/is gay in an Irish Catholic family, so can say that
 
2004-12-29 05:34:11 PM
This is a perennial article. It's an extremely rare event but it makes a good headline so the news heads can't resist.
 
2004-12-29 05:35:09 PM
 
2004-12-29 05:35:30 PM
im a gun lover, i defend my 2nd amendment rights tooth and nail, i live in the styx in missouri, and i think celebratory gunfire is really really farking retarded

wtf is the matter with people? don't shoot into the air, retards. goes up, comes down, very simple.
 
2004-12-29 05:35:31 PM
chipaku: Your mom's hairy snatch?

People still call it 'snatch'?
 
2004-12-29 05:35:44 PM

Still the world's best shirt.
I wear mine every time it's clean.


i hate texas and would love it if we could give it to mexico. TEXICO!! MEXAS!!!
 
2004-12-29 05:35:55 PM
just get them to shoot straight up, and the problem will solve itself.......
 
2004-12-29 05:35:56 PM
I have a friend living in a house off of McCart in Fort Worth (while he is going to school). We went to a New Years party there and it sounded like I was standing in the middle of a war zone when 12 came around. Many black and Mexican people in the neighborhood...not so many rednecks.
 
2004-12-29 05:36:11 PM
Jay, your an idiot.
 
2004-12-29 05:37:09 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-HAW!
 
2004-12-29 05:37:15 PM
Ballistic projectiles are a biatch.
 
2004-12-29 05:37:47 PM
That would be like trying to get Rush Limbaugh to stop lying for five seconds: IT CAN'T BE DONE.
 
2004-12-29 05:38:12 PM
Jay do those tax numbers include corporate taxes paid by Halliburton, MaryKay, Southwestern Airlines, Dell, Curves International, The Dwyer Group and the many other corporations based in Texas?

Your biggest flaw of logic is assuming that Texans would sit idly by and become Mexicans again.

Let's assume all of the legalities are worked out and a transfer of land were scheduled to occur. A citizen uprising would indeed be percieved as acts of terrorism, which could actually lead TX citizens to raise arms against the govt. Assuming that TX is still a part of the US when this happens, that would mean the US Military would be called in to handle these "acts of terrorism" essentially starting another civil war. The United States can't afford another war, especially when you factor in that it would be occuring on what is at the time US soil. Not only would a bombing campaign against other Americans be wildly unpopular for the Administration, but it will be costly in lives, equipment and collateral damage.

Ft Hood, TX is home to the largest US Military installation in the world. If the Texas Militia were to seize or at least cut off access to the rest of the troops, the Army would be in deep shiat.

A Texas-US civil war could also be a deal breaker in the transfer to Mexico. Surely Mexico would want the US to rebuild all is destoyed if they still want to take a chance at annexing a war ridden, militant region. What's to say that we won't continue the fight against Mexico once the US withdraws? Also, what happens if Texas wins independance again? We are not party to NAFTA, so tarriffs both ways could be an issue.

My point is: No matter how much you want Texas to leave the Union, it isn't going to happen, especially if it means going back to Mexico
 
2004-12-29 05:38:37 PM
XenOblue is correct-this sort of thing happens in Detroit every New year also-the "Urbanites" start shooting,without considering that bullets shot into the air fall somewhere. This is not unexpected. After all, they are Democrats, and so do not consider the consequences of their misbehavior.
 
2004-12-29 05:38:39 PM
won't someone PLEASE think of the children!?

oops, I mean won't someone please post the pic of the crazy texan from the simpsons?!
 
2004-12-29 05:38:48 PM
Wiener envy must be a terrible burden for y'all.


/knows how to use apostrophe.
 
2004-12-29 05:38:52 PM
2004-12-29 10:36:48 AM bargirl24 [TotalFark]

2004-12-29 09:58:26 AM Mr_Fabulous
Can we just change the name of the state to Dumbfcukistan already?

No, assholes like you have already claimed it for Illinois

BWAHAHAHAHAHA......

And "Mr_Fabulous and the Hawaiian ninja: You're jealous aren't you? It's ok to admit it....the world needs limp-wristed-snot-nosed-whip-dicks too....
 
2004-12-29 05:39:10 PM
bargirl24
2. Texas pays more in federal tax dollars than we recieve back from the US Govt, which means a massive drop in revenue. The US economy would collapse without Texas and California proping it up.

Whatever would we do without that two cents on the dollar we get from Texas?

And for the record, Illinois gets 73 cents for every dollar taxed, New York: 80, Cali: 78. Texas isn't helping much. But we get to keep Austin.
 
2004-12-29 05:39:17 PM
jay, you are a genius! my hero for life.
 
2004-12-29 05:39:33 PM
The practice of celebratory gunfire has been a problem in cities like Miami, New Orleans, Phoenix and Los Angeles and in towns along the U.S. and Mexico border.(Source)

"Apparently in Philadelphia there's a rite of passage: New Year's Eve, people go out onto their front steps and shoot pistols, revolvers and semi-automatics in the air to celebrate," Abraham said.(Source: https://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/breaking_news/10486118.htm?1c)

It is intended to rally support for commitments by Detroit residents to end gun violence, including a pledge to stop the traditional New Year's celebratory gunfire.
(Source)


So, Phoenix police have launched their most proactive education effort ever, recruiting neighborhood leaders, residents and businesses, to tout the same message: Celebrating with gunfire is against the law and it can kill.

(Source)
 
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