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(BBC)   Permafrost in Arctic regions becoming neither permanent nor frost   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 996
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2004-12-29 01:30:34 AM
I hate snow and welcome global warming.
 
2004-12-29 01:52:46 AM
I hate coastal cities and welcome global warming.

Moran.
 
2004-12-29 01:55:24 AM
"Will the Arctic be a carbon sink, or convert to a carbon source?" posed Dr Nelson. "It's a big unknown."

Nothing to see here, move along.
 
2004-12-29 02:01:42 AM
knucklebreather

Good point, I don't like those either.
 
2004-12-29 02:03:16 AM
Quick, somebody do something!
 
2004-12-29 02:15:39 AM
Not an attempt at flaming here...

If all the global warming hysteria is absolutely, completely correct...

What do we do about it?
 
2004-12-29 02:16:27 AM
The problem is when the weather gets more variable and violent.
 
2004-12-29 02:21:36 AM
Scientists attribute the thaw to climate warming. As the air temperature warms, so does the frozen ground beneath it.

Thank goodness we have these scientists to explain things like convection to us.
 
2004-12-29 02:22:12 AM
Juansmith:

If all the global warming hysteria is absolutely, completely correct...

What do we do about it?


How long can you tread water?
 
2004-12-29 02:37:53 AM
Philbb: Thank you, Mr. Cosby :)
 
2004-12-29 03:14:27 AM
?Juansmith: What do we do about it?

Party!

/wants entire world to be a cool 80 degrees.

My temperature range
70- = freezing
70-75 = cool
75-80 = room temperature
80-85 = warm
85-90 = very warm
90-100 = hot
100+ = boiling
 
2004-12-29 03:20:29 AM
Damn, I used to live in Fairbanks. I wonder if my school is sinking? It was right near the river...
 
2004-12-29 04:59:35 AM
Not to worry, because the scientists keep saying that global warming will result in a new ice age.

So the permafrost will be back soon.
 
2004-12-29 05:00:54 AM
I hate coastal cities and welcome global warming.

Obviously a Republican...
 
2004-12-29 05:03:55 AM
Not to worry. My TV told me global warming was just a scare-tactic made up by those lying liberals. I'm sure pumping billions of tons of assorted pollutants into the atmosphere won't result in anything other than bunnies and pancakes.
 
2004-12-29 05:04:47 AM
Kinda old news, this.

Tiga, I don't think Fairbanks is far enough north to be affected. Permafrost doesn't really extend below the arctic circle anyway.
 
2004-12-29 05:07:45 AM


/unavailable for comment
 
2004-12-29 05:12:30 AM
We're all going to diiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

*cough.... ahem
/nothing to see here
 
2004-12-29 05:18:17 AM
Dryland!
 
2004-12-29 05:23:24 AM
Odd, that article doesn't mention that the Antarctic Ice Sheet has been growing. You'd think they'd point out the counterbalance to their observations.
 
2004-12-29 05:24:40 AM
but that CAN'T be true.... ^^^^
 
2004-12-29 05:28:22 AM
b230fbuddy: but that CAN'T be true.... ^^^^

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=192
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/cold-science/2002-01-18-wais-thicker.htm
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
 
2004-12-29 05:30:18 AM
The trick is to know how much the water will rise. Then you can buy some land at what will be the beach.
1. Buy land where the water will rise.
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!
 
2004-12-29 05:39:21 AM
Soon to be extinct:





 
2004-12-29 05:51:59 AM
Uh, this is why you build your foundations beneath the permafrost. I'm pretty sure they discovered years ago that houses were sinking because the indoor heating was melting the frost.
 
2004-12-29 05:52:54 AM
derferman:

Sarcasm or the common mistake of theatre goers everywhere?

Dennis Quaid does not equal Kevin Costner
 
2004-12-29 05:53:56 AM
I guess I'm just saying the the battle of grizzled middle ageds movie stars for ecosystem awareness, quaid's much more current.
 
2004-12-29 05:54:43 AM
2004-12-29 02:15:39 AM Juansmith

Not an attempt at flaming here...
If all the global warming hysteria is absolutely, completely correct...
What do we do about it?


seed dead areas of the ocean with iron, causing phytoplankton boom, sucking up carbon dioxide, phytoplankton die, sink to bottom of ocean: voila, instant carbon sink to counteract our love for making CO2

i think we should worry less about preserving the earth's environment as if we never existed, and realize we're farking with it mightily with our love affair with fossil fuels, and so we should get busy doing what humans always have done best: modify our environment to our whim and fancy

and so, we should regulate the global thermostat up and down as we see fit

but right now, all we're doing is just turning the thermostat up, up, up with all of the hydrocarbon burning, so let's start other processes to turn it down, shall we?

like seeding dead areas of the ocean with iron

we have to think less about preserving the earth, and more about maintaining it so it doesn't kill us for being stupid and not thinking about the consequences of our actions
 
2004-12-29 05:57:28 AM
Mercutio74:

I guess I'm just saying the the battle of grizzled middle ageds movie stars for ecosystem awareness, quaid's much more current.

Huh. News to me. I thought Quaid was dead - or maybe that was just his career.
 
2004-12-29 06:02:18 AM
SlothDC:

You do know that the Cooler Heads Coalition was expressly formed to counter data in support global warming, right?

Personally I would be very skeptical of a "scientific" group who's formation is based on trying to a prove a particular theory. Especially when that group is as concerned with the economic fallout of global warming as Cooler Head Coalition seems to be.

My preference has always been for scientists that are willing to collect and analyze data and THEN formulate theories.

I'll take their info under advisement, but to be honest, a group that has a "clean air villain of the month" award doesn't hold a lot of credibility in the scientific community.
 
2004-12-29 06:03:49 AM
Sloth:

I don't know... Cold Creek Manor should have killed his career. I guess Roland Emmerich had a voodoo priestess raise it from the dead.
 
2004-12-29 06:07:07 AM
circletimessquare:

That's exactly right. The earth will shake us off like a bad case of fleas... So, let's change it to suit us better. The earth and life will survive higher temperatures. We, however, may not.
 
2004-12-29 06:15:04 AM
This is what happens when you don't build your structures on concrete slabs.

/obscure dune game reference
 
2004-12-29 06:15:14 AM
But of course, anyone who suggests that in consequence the US should sign up to Kyoto is a steeenkin' communist!
 
2004-12-29 06:20:29 AM
?Juansmith: What do we do about it?

Party!
/wants entire world to be a cool 80 degrees.

My temperature range
70- = freezing
70-75 = cool
75-80 = room temperature
80-85 = warm
85-90 = very warm
90-100 = hot
100+ = boiling


w00t

less than 21C = freezing
21-24C = cool
24-27C = room temperature
27-30C = warm
30-32C = very warm
32-38C = hot
100C = boiling
 
2004-12-29 06:22:55 AM
lordargent:

My temperature range
70- = freezing
70-75 = cool
75-80 = room temperature
80-85 = warm
85-90 = very warm
90-100 = hot
100+ = boiling


Bah, keep your hellish temperatures, this is how it goes.

-20 - -10 C (-4 - 14F) Nice winter weather

0 C (32F) Ok for a couple of days in winter, for snow-fights.

10 C (50F) A nice weather for outdoor work

15 C (59F) The optimum temperature to sleep in

20 C (68F) Bearable summer weather, maximum indoor temperature

30+ C (86F) Hell indoors and outdoors

70 C (158F) Minimum sauna temperature

71-100 C (158-212F) Good sauna temparatures

120 C (248 F) The kind of sauna where an insane father of your new girlfriend will take you so see what you are made of.
 
2004-12-29 06:27:56 AM
mungo

"But of course, anyone who suggests that in consequence the US should sign up to Kyoto is a steeenkin' communist!"

Which, goes to prove how much of an uninformed, uneducated, environmentalist wacko you are.

The Kyoto "Accord", "Protocol", "Bullcrap agreement", whatever, IS A MONEYMAKER!

It gives each country within the agreement "exemption points", meaning each country is given a certain amount of pollution its allowed to release into the air, based on its size and industrial output.

The neat thing for the greedy bastards who wrote it up is, it allows any country in the agreement to SELL THEIR EXEMPTION POINTS TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!

In other words, Russia has alot of exemption points because its so huge, but it'll never use them all because they don't have the industrial power the United States or China does.

So, they can sell their extra or unused points to any country that might need them, because that country might exceed their given points under the Kyoto Protocol, because they pollute alot.

The result? Countries like Russia have the potential to make BILLIONS off of selling any unused exemption points given to them under the Protocol.

Oh, and by the way, China was supposed to be one of the sponsoring nations of the Kyoto Bullcrap Protocol, and they were also TOTALLY EXEMPT from having to follow it!

Its a money maker. Nothing more.

Your environmentalist mindset is worthless.

Let it go.
 
2004-12-29 06:36:10 AM
Oh, and to suggest that we, as humans, could alter the earth's weather and climate by using hairspray and driving SUVs, is arrogant, ignorant, and emotionally stupid.

Anyone who believes we humans are destroying the earth by the way we live, is a person who is searching for a "cause" to promote, because they want to feel "needed" and "useful", and they see the earth as a living thing that doesn't have a voice, so they take on the roll as that voice, because it makes them feel needed.
 
2004-12-29 06:37:15 AM
discuss
 
2004-12-29 06:43:09 AM

Discuss?
 
2004-12-29 06:43:39 AM
Oh goody. Mike_71 doesn't just know everything about God, he knows everything about the environment too. Thank goodness for that.
 
2004-12-29 06:44:23 AM
Mike_71:

Nice generalizations.
 
2004-12-29 06:48:15 AM
FrankGecko: I knew I didn't have to click your profile to see where you lived.
 
2004-12-29 06:50:39 AM
Mike_71:

Oh, and to suggest that we, as humans, could alter the earth's weather and climate by using hairspray and driving SUVs, is arrogant, ignorant, and emotionally stupid.

I see your point. Maybe if we did it as Ewoks? All that extra hairspray would be bound to have an effect!
 
2004-12-29 06:53:00 AM
Mercutio74:

You do know that the Cooler Heads Coalition was expressly formed to counter data in support global warming, right?

Personally I would be very skeptical of a "scientific" group who's formation is based on trying to a prove a particular theory. Especially when that group is as concerned with the economic fallout of global warming as Cooler Head Coalition seems to be.

My preference has always been for scientists that are willing to collect and analyze data and THEN formulate theories.


Umm, yeah, that explains why the first link published the data. The ABC and NASA pages don't have any connection to Cooler Heads that I can find.
 
2004-12-29 06:54:31 AM
mungo:

But of course, anyone who suggests that in consequence the US should sign up to Kyoto is a steeenkin' communist!

No, just an idiot - we should not sign a global anti-pollution treaty that exempts the worst polluters.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-12-29 06:57:14 AM
Welcome to the rest of the world, Alaska.

Two ways to reduce carbon:
1. Switch to nuclear power.
2. Reduce energy use.
Neither will happen.
 
2004-12-29 06:59:51 AM
Mike_71

it's always a pleasure to welcome a visitng professor from the limbaugh institute

DoorsFanRob


discuss


 
2004-12-29 07:03:02 AM
ZAZ:

Two ways to reduce carbon:
1. Switch to nuclear power.


There's a limit to the available fissile material. We need an economical fusion plant before this option becomes really feasible.

2. Reduce energy use.
Neither will happen.


3. Build an SPS system.
4. Make economical biomass fuels
5. Engage China and Russia in treaties which actually limit their pollution.
 
2004-12-29 07:03:46 AM
Mike_71:

I will agree with you on this... no matter how much greenhouse gas or pollution we contribute to the environment (even nuclear waste) we will not destroy the earth. Anyone who says that this type of behaviour will destroy the earth is misinformed.

However, it is possible for us to screw with the environment enough to knock the global climate just outside of the range where human life (outside of some sort of sealed building) would be sustainable.

The earth will be fine. It's humans (and other animals) that are in danger.
 
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