Clearly, Global warming is caused by scientists looking into such things, and the media reporting on it.
Just like Iraq.

BushCo logic works the same on everything.

Fact 1: None of you are scientists with any serious knowledge of climate patterns. At best you are well-read, objective, and offer an informed opinion. At worst you are Mike_71 who thinks reading a few Discover articles on flights gives him the authority to make such sweeping statements like Oh, and to suggest that we, as humans, could alter the earth's weather and climate by using hairspray and driving SUVs, is arrogant, ignorant, and emotionally stupid.. Yah, ok, mike, CO2 is steadily going up because, uh, the molecules are breeding, not because we pump billions of tons of the stuff into the air every year.. right?

Fact 2: Scientists (those guys who have a clue), largely agree that human activity is at least partly responsible for the current rapid climate change. Many warn that without immediate action the earth could experience catastrophic climate shifts that will be very detrimental to the lives of.... your grandchildren.

Given Fact 2, we can reasonably conclude that all your arbitrary opinions are 1. null, and 2. void.

2004-12-29 07:03:02 AM Sloth_DC


ZAZ:

Engage the United States in Treaties which actually limits their polution.


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Two ways to reduce carbon:
1. Switch to nuclear power.

There's a limit to the available fissile material. We need an economical fusion plant before this option becomes really feasible.

2. Reduce energy use.
Neither will happen.

3. Build an SPS system.
4. Make economical biomass fuels
5. Engage China and Russia in treaties which actually limit their pollution

CaptainBeefheart
I guess we're gonna have to rename permafrost. How about soggyfrost or amerifrost?

Freedomfrost?

Lesbian-Jesus: Engage the United States in Treaties which actually limits their polution.

Problem with that is that it's not the US' pollution that nearly killed the Baltic and is causing acid rain across Asia. We have environmental legislation, we've had it for a while, and it continues to get more effective - assuming, of course, Bush leaves office within 4 years and 1 month. The countries that are currently killing large parts of the planet and have been doing so for some time really need to have ecological controls imposed, and any treaty that exempts them is not helping the issue.

I cannot believe this thread is still going. I'm just about convinced that the fear mongers in this thread are out of work science types who cannot get grant money for another useless study to perpetuate the global warming hoax.

Wake up guys, there are Islamic terrorists out there who want to kill you, no matter how you feel about global warming.

If it will make you happy, I will concede that people in the US who drive SUV's caused the earthquake and Tsunami in Indonesia.

Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk, I got to spend some time over the holidays with some of the in-laws... truly members of the "common clay" of America. Their impressions on how global warming is nonsense because it's still cold in winter are the basis for what I was thinking. It's frightening to realize that there is a substantial base of the population that not only doesn't understand science but dismisses it outright.

And they vote.

cuprous2
Given Fact 2, we can reasonably conclude that all your arbitrary opinions are 1. null, and 2. void.

Saying 'Fact 2' when the 'fact' is that some scientists are of a certain opinion is not entirely factual. Sure, it's a fact some scientists think that. Doesn't necessarily make what they think a fact though.

Methink we're none of us as smart as we think we are when it comes to the world we live in/on/under.

Blah blah blah. Where's my farking rocket pack? TV told me decades ago that I'd have a rocket pack by now to commute to work with.

cuprous2

Quick flamewar lesson:

Mike71=troll extraordinaire, cheap entertainment at best.

What's more is he doesn't answer anyone's comments.

Waste of time.

Dolfin

I ride to work in a canoe made of whale blubber down a river of oil. I then set it aflame so no one can follow me.

Everybody is so quick to blame global warning on pollution and/or this person or another.

Has anybody ever stop to think that this may be the normal cycle of the earth?

We don't have records reaching far enough back to inform us of a greater pattern, but remember that this earth was once all molten lava and water, the we had the Ice ages. Oh yeah, and humans were not here at that time.

BuzzBoy


I cannot believe this thread is still going. I'm just about convinced that the fear mongers in this thread are out of work science types who cannot get grant money for another useless study to perpetuate the global warming hoax.

Wake up guys, there are Islamic terrorists out there who want to kill you, no matter how you feel about global warming.

Yeah! Terror fear mongering is more important than other fear mongering.

Don't you live down in inbreeder land? What terrorism have you got to worry about?

So, all Science is just a hippy liberal plot to get grant money?

Did any of you people complete public school?
Or, was that too just a liberal plot to control your washed brains?

Ah, nevermind.
/idiots on parade

ThorensTD125:

Longest. Post. Evar.

Did any of you people complete public school?
Or, was that too just a liberal plot to control your washed brains?

The deal struck at the end of the Civil War(The War of Rebellious Southern Traitors) was no more slavery but they still don't have to read books.

/Family Guy

re: 'the Civil War(The War of Rebellious Southern Traitors)'

That war is looking more and more like a serious mistake. Perhaps it would have been better, in retrospect, to let them seperate forming their own Republic of Jesusland?
That way at least the North could keep their faith based empire building and warmongering under control - easy to do, especially since their Cavalry would still be riding horses.

In 1981 James Watt (Ronald Reagan's first Interior Secretary), told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. "God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ will come back."

It is this style of thinking that we have the right to use and abuse the planet by divine right which is blinding so many people to evidence of human influence on the climate. But historicly we have had great influence on our own climate... there are numerous sights of ancient cities in the middle of deserts through out the world. Evidence has been coming to light in many of these places that these places became deserts because of poor resource management. So if ancient men were able to accidentally change hundreds of square miles into desert in only a handful of generations, then why is it so hard to believe that we could not now do the same thing on much larger scales?

Steve French: So, all Science is just a hippy liberal plot to get grant money?


YES! Of course it is! All the truth you need is in the bible. Burning bushes, parting of the sea, water to wine, yadda yadda yadda. And don't forget the tooth fairy...

hojohnjo:
Has anybody ever stop to think that this may be the normal cycle of the earth?

Yeah, plenty have. But don't you think we ought change our habits a bit until we know for sure? Yah know, just in case?

Only one man can save us now...



/Dumbest movie evar.

Code_Archaeologist - ""God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ will come back."

Brilliant! You have found a way to blame Christians for environmental problems! Now if you can blame hunger on the NRA, then you've got a killer platform for 2008!

Spoofman_v2.0

Haha, troll.

Steve French:
That war is looking more and more like a serious mistake. Perhaps it would have been better, in retrospect, to let them seperate forming their own Republic of Jesusland?

Yeah, can't we just retroactively call a truce? Then we blue staters could quit funding all those tax hating red-staters with OUR money. Let them tranform into a rural Amish hell hole with no money for a while and see how they feel.

scientists reported at the recent Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco.

Hey, my geology professor was at that conference! Now I know someone who was indirectly mentioned in a real news article. Sweet.

Steve French - "Perhaps it would have been better, in retrospect, to let them seperate forming their own Republic of Jesusland?"

You are a bigot. Imagine someone suggesting a minority form their own "separate" country. Maybe you'd like to see Christians riding in the back of the bus or maybe having separate water fountains?

Spoofman_v2.0
What if the climate change is a natural thing and the IR came about because the environmental conditions were just right?

Cool! What if the Dust Bowl caused us to use bad cultivation and soil conservation techniques? What if smog in our cities caused GM to buyout the trolley companies and shutter them so we'd be stuck with cars and buses? And hey! What if book burning caused the fundies to be so freaking stupid?

Yep. It's all part of a natural cycle I like to call "stupidity".

You know, actually now that I think about it, this might have been a more appropriate, yet less memorable reference:



(Right-click, check properties for ultimate hint)

BBanzai:Imagine someone suggesting a minority form their own "separate" country. Maybe you'd like to see Christians riding in the back of the bus or maybe having separate water fountains?

Imagined it, but it's not at all comparable to what he said.

I love it when the harmful majority tries to play victim.

BBanzai I am not blaming Christians... I am blaming fundamentalists. I do not want to bismirch the good name of Jesus by associating him and his followers with that ilk.

And it is not just them at fault... it is anybody who feels they are entitled to have what ever they want, no matter what the cost it is to the Earth or other people. It is the fault of people who remain willfully ignorant of the impact that they have on the world around them comfortable in the knowledge that they will likely be dead before the consequences come to pass. Those are the people I blame.

The tag should be amended to read "SCARY FOR ANYONE WHO ISN'T WILLFULLY IGNORANT"

Does anyone else "see" Napoleon Dynamite speaking when reading Mike_71's posts?


/this is a long thread

Question: Are there any meteorologists/climatologists on the forum today? I know it's a crazy idea, but I thought it might be sorta fun to hear from someone who actually specializes in this area and has non-political reasons for forming (informed) opinions on human-influenced climate change (or lack thereof) in general.

I'm just weird like that.

BBanzai:

You are a bigot. Imagine someone suggesting a minority form their own "separate" country. Maybe you'd like to see Christians riding in the back of the bus or maybe having separate water fountains?

When did ignorance become a protected attribute?

Christians playing the victim card is the funniest damn thing.

re: 'people who remain willfully ignorant'

What's hilarious is those same 'willfully ignorant' people utilize the Internet and computers, created by science, to espouse their imbecilic viewpoint - What has science ever done for me?
The rugged individualist he-men don't need no geeky science.
Jeesh.
Sometimes fark is like arguing with Homer Simpson.

Sloth_DC - "When did ignorance become a protected attribute?"

Why is is not enough for you to not believe in God? Why do you have to ridicule those who do? You are an intolerant bigot.

I love the red state/blue state arguments.

The red states are around 40-49 percent Democrat. The blue states are around 40-49 percent Republican. The blue states have a higher cost of living, thus, they pay more in taxes. The red states give more to charities.

The red/blue state seperatist suggestions make it hard to take the posters seriously on any topics that they post to, because you wonder about their thought processes. If they let partisanship override logic, how can I trust their opinion on anything?

doesn't this stuff happen all by itself? I mean, they had the little ice age from the mid-14th through mid-19th centuries and before that it was the medieval warm period from about the 10th century to about the 14th century.

I figure we're accelerating a natural process, but how much would happen any way without our interference?

(I knew about the little ice age, but not the warm period before it - information on dates pulled directly from The Iridis Encyclopedia.)

Koresh knows partisanship was not an issue from 1992 to 2000.

ArbitraryConstant:

The problem is when the weather gets more variable and violent.

The problem is when the assertion is that the weather gets more variable and violent. That way, there is no way to test any experimental hypotheses. The climatologists can just say, "The weather is more variable and violent now", and you have to accept what they say, because there is no way to know whether past events were sufficiently "variable" or "violent" to be considered 'variable' or 'violent'.

It is exactly normal here where I am right now - in fact, it is violently ordinary. We never had this violent ordinariness BEFORE!!!

Whoops, I meant that the reds are 40-49 percent Democrat, and the blues 40-49 percent Republican.

Have I lost it, or what?

Just remember righties, never, never, never let the truth get in the way of your politics. Never admit fault, and never change course when you are certainly on the wrong one.

Itzhak

So no solution is better than a flawed solution?

YES! every time. (See medicare prescription drug fiasco)

Also, I think the huge earthquake under the Indian Ocean and the effect it had on the Earth's rotation is a big sign that the Earth "will go when it wants to" and we have little to do or say about that.
Mt. Saint Hellens alone spewed more crap into the atmosphere in one day on 18 May 1980, than makind had in the previous 100 years.