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(Some TFette)   Firefox is now 21.2% of the browser market, and more people are using Opera than Netscape 7.0   (w3schools.com) divider line 370
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2004-12-22 09:23:57 AM
More like 7%
 
2004-12-22 09:27:36 AM
How about the proportion of Opera users to Netscape and Mozilla users, since they're essentially the same engine?
 
2004-12-22 09:33:35 AM
You people are living in a fantasy world if you think those numbers are accurate. I'd look a little closer at how and where they collect their data. Firefox and Opera are popular among techies, but NOT the general public. Microsoft still controls 90+% of the browser market.
 
2004-12-22 09:33:45 AM
netscape and Safari work awesome for me on mac. No need to change.
 
2004-12-22 09:35:04 AM
How about the proportion of Opera users to Netscape and Mozilla users, since they're essentially the same engine?

I think this chart is actually kinda inaccurate. The "Moz" category includes people who are using the old Mozilla suite (old engine, same as Netscape) as well as Firefox/Firebird/Phoenix (new engine, new hotness). I'd like to see that separation before I jump on the 21% bandwagon.
 
2004-12-22 09:35:53 AM
Here's an article from September that talked about IE's share dropping to a new low... of 94%!

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1646583,00.asp
 
2004-12-22 09:36:51 AM
Something I hope emerges from this is for companies to have learned a lesson regarding open standards and compliance/adherence.

I cannot imagine the stink being raised in boardrooms (especially banking sites)
about having to recode portions to allow all modern browsers to connect and work.

In part because they locked in with MS and its proprietary extensions.
 
2004-12-22 09:37:05 AM
 
2004-12-22 09:39:46 AM
Seneca:

IE fell another 5% in November, and the rate of change in the drop is currently exponential.
 
2004-12-22 09:40:57 AM
And from early December... 92%.

http://informationweek.securitypipeline.com/news/55301621

My point is that these other sources don't show anything close to what the submitter's sources say. Now I'll admit that losing 4% of market share in a few months is HUGE, but don't fool yourself into thinking IE is dead.
 
2004-12-22 09:43:59 AM
Are these numbers just based on who goes to w3schools.com? Let's not assume that the numbers mean anything. For a short period, all the visitors to one of my domains was using Gentoo Linux and Mozilla. 100% market share! w00t!
 
2004-12-22 09:47:45 AM
Seneca Doane:

Here's an article from September that talked about IE's share dropping to a new low... of 94%!

And from November... 93%.

And from early December... 92%.



Baby steps, people, baby steps.
 
2004-12-22 09:54:16 AM
Since when does Mozilla = Firefox? How many of those 21% are Mozilla users and how many are Firefox users?
 
2004-12-22 09:57:01 AM
November 22 IE usage is below 90%, according to OneStat
 
2004-12-22 09:58:14 AM
Seneca Doane:

Now I'll admit that losing 4% of market share in a few months is HUGE, but don't fool yourself into thinking IE is dead.


Funny, they said the same thing about Netscape back in the late 90's.
 
2004-12-22 10:09:14 AM
neofonz: And people continue to use Netscape to this day.
 
2004-12-22 10:42:39 AM
So skewed. I mean, if I look at my site (whos visitors are from Fark, and my engineering friends), then Firefox has a good market share. But go into the real world and fuggedaboutit.
 
2004-12-22 12:46:17 PM
Drew/Jeff, why are Fark's stats now password protected? I always found those interesting.
 
2004-12-22 12:48:30 PM
Note that the Moz category includes a huge number of mozilla-BASED browsers that may not be firefox. There are a lot of windows K-meleon users, and K-meleon reports itself as a mozilla browser. Also Galeon and a number of other linux browsers report as mozilla since they are all gecko-based. And like others here have said, it also includes the old mozilla suite.

HOWEVER, if this number was not due largely to the growth of firefox, it wouldn't have surged from 8 to 21 in a single year. Galeon users, Mozilla users, and K-Meleon users have not migrated away from IE any more or less quickly than usual, and most have been using their browser for more than a year (this is based solely on conjecture, but I imagine it's mostly accurate). There has been SOME more linux growth than usual, but if you go to the next table in the link, you can see it's held pretty steady.

Also, these percentages in the link generally grew by pretty small margins, particularly toward the beginning of the year. In the past two months though, this monthly increase has increased as well, though it's difficult to know how significant that may be without a margin of error. This may be important, since only in the past two months has the Firefox push really kicked into gear.

So while I agree that the "Moz" stat is misleading, due to it not breaking down the different browsers that would classify as Moz, we know the browsers that would fall under that category, and I don't think we have any reason to believe usage of THOSE browsers has surged by any significant number in the past year, but know for certain firefox usage did.

Makes me wonder how accurate these numbers are at all. I can't really think of a reasonable explanation for this 21% besides false statistics.
 
2004-12-22 12:57:28 PM
Well, web developers that conform to standards are visitng w3c. This is good for Firefox users because that means more web pages will follow w3c standards, rather than what Microsoft pulls out of its ass.
 
2004-12-22 01:05:19 PM
... AND ... get the Farkit extension for Firefox
 
2004-12-22 02:19:18 PM
question for the techies....

i have been running mozilla now for about a year. love it and am converting friends and family all the time.

what is the difference b/w mozilla and firefox?

is one significantly better than the other?
 
2004-12-22 02:19:27 PM
I'll unfortunately have to agree that the numbers are misleading. IMO, the best that can be said is that the number is growing rapidly and is a significant percentage in some areas.

Reliable figures are hard to find, but the total number of Internet users seems to be the 200 million ballpark. Firefox will probably hit the 15 million downloads mark within a week or two, so simple math says it can't be more than 7.5%. It's probably worse if you figure that every computer running Windows is a (potential) Internet user.

But this all ignores the real story. The fact is that many well-known sites are starting to see significant (if not "large") numbers of Firefox/Mozilla users.

Further, it's important *who* those users are. Early adopters and technical people in key positions can have an influence disproportionate to their numbers.
 
2004-12-22 04:09:33 PM
will n dowd i cant get that farklit extension to work. No problem with it otherwise.

That being said, here comes the computer snob flamewar.
 
2004-12-22 04:11:22 PM
rxdave

I'll postpone sleep for the up-and-coming flamewar. I'm, like, giddy with anticipation

/uses Mozilla
//uses Linux
///uses Fedora Core
////enough kindling for Windows folks? (here's hoping)
 
2004-12-22 04:12:22 PM
Ever since getting Firefox all other browsers are dead to me. Carry on.
 
2004-12-22 04:12:26 PM
Man, palisade_hacker you are the entire anti-microsoft trinity.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-12-22 04:12:41 PM
If you want non-mainstream, I'm posting this using w3m on Solaris.
 
2004-12-22 04:13:21 PM
just wait, before this flamewar gets to 100 someone is going to say "firefox, mozilla, msie, lynx, links, netscape, all those things, they all suck!!! us cool mac people use safari!"

and to them I say a pre-emptive "psh, ain't nothing faster than lynx"
 
2004-12-22 04:13:21 PM
Firefox was a great flick for the time in which it was made.

/didn't rtfa, and don't know shiat about the browser
 
2004-12-22 04:13:22 PM
Does using MyIE2, aka Maxthon count as using IE?
 
2004-12-22 04:13:26 PM
Those stats are ONLY from the w3school's website logs. Naturally, those interested in coding standards-compliant websites are going to visit w3school ... and those interested in building standards-compliant websites are going to use a standards-compliant browser. So the numbers are going to be skewed in FF/Moz/Moz-based-browser favour.

Furthermore, Firefox is not the only Moz based browser ...
 
2004-12-22 04:13:38 PM
Great, all this attention is only going to get more nerds working on firefox security hacks. It's my main browser, but sometimes it acts a bit fishy...
 
2004-12-22 04:14:10 PM
I dont get any of this...none of it...

I also have never had a problem with any browsers in 3 years. Where are there problems with a certain browser?

I just click, get on the internet, go to fark, and surf away....

/help?
 
2004-12-22 04:14:52 PM
This article is why Fark needs a [NERD] tag.
 
2004-12-22 04:15:18 PM
IE has 94% of the Bowser market ? sha na na na, na na na na na bow-ooom !
 
2004-12-22 04:15:21 PM
the h factor... you need to go to more pron and warez sites
 
2004-12-22 04:15:34 PM
You kids and your fancy "browsers". I still use Archie and Gopher, dagnabbit! Don't need all them fancy graphics, our Photoshop contests only involve ASCII art!
 
2004-12-22 04:15:38 PM
I like Firefox!

/that's it...
//what?
 
2004-12-22 04:15:39 PM
TheOnion: Does using MyIE2, aka Maxthon count as using IE?

Yes.

/Why used something based on IE? Bleh...
 
2004-12-22 04:16:10 PM
bullshiat
 
2004-12-22 04:16:31 PM
rxdave


Man, palisade_hacker you are the entire anti-microsoft trinity.


Actually, a former MS user who slowly started using competing products, because they gave me far less headaches. Jezuz, I wish I was a Linux nazi, that would help me in the coming flamewar.

But don't tell anyone I'm not l77t.

/shh
 
2004-12-22 04:16:32 PM
Don't forget that Opera can disguise itself as just about any other browser. So, some of the IE, Firefox, and Netscape percentages could really be Opera.
 
2004-12-22 04:17:17 PM
Firefox is now 21.2% of the browser market.

(Some Tfette)

haha. nice try, darlin.



biatchin.
 
2004-12-22 04:17:28 PM
I like cheese!
 
2004-12-22 04:17:47 PM
the only good thing about firefox is the FarkIt extension, Chatzilla, no spyware, no popups...

but I can't seem to run Launch.yahoo.com on it

oh well

trade offs
 
2004-12-22 04:18:17 PM
Question 2: Does Firefox have mouse gestures? Cause they're in MyIE2 and I don't think I can ever go back to living without them.
 
2004-12-22 04:18:33 PM
I run a few different websites that get from 500 to 10,000 visits per day and cater more or less to the general public. Firefox users account for 2%-7% of their traffic.

The other day I noticed a few visits from a browser with the OS detected as being CP/M. WTF???
 
2004-12-22 04:18:46 PM
Freakalocious

Don't forget that Opera can disguise itself as just about any other browser. So, some of the IE, Firefox, and Netscape percentages could really be Opera.

Otherwise known as the phantom of the Opera.

/yeah, fine, I'll shut up now.
 
2004-12-22 04:18:46 PM
Freakalocious

Don't forget that Opera can disguise itself as just about any other browser. So, some of the IE, Firefox, and Netscape percentages could really be Opera.

This almost sounds like a Vast Operatic Conspiracy.

/maybe I should get off Fark after 13 hours and do something useful
//yeah right
 
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