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(C|Net)   New CD copy-lock technology nears market. In other news, you can still bypass CD-lock technology by holding down the shift key   (anandtech.com) divider line 129
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2004-12-17 01:54:03 PM  
Why does the industry still try?
 
2004-12-17 01:54:13 PM  
Maybe the next edition of this security technology will be bypassed by passing the shift...AND Alt keys!
/amazing
 
2004-12-17 01:54:27 PM  
Why bother with the shift key, why not just disable autorun alltogether and be done with it?
 
2004-12-17 01:55:43 PM  
Isn't it theoretically illegal to tell people about the shift key dodge?
 
2004-12-17 01:55:51 PM  
Wes5758:

Maybe the next edition of this security technology will be bypassed by passing the shift...AND Alt keys!
/amazing


Or using Linux, or Macintosh, or BeOS, or Atheos, or any other OS where their executables won't run.
 
2004-12-17 01:57:11 PM  
That should say *pressing*
/lousy world and its lack of spelchekrs!
 
2004-12-17 01:58:55 PM  
2004-12-17 01:54:13 PM Wes5758
Maybe the next edition of this security technology will be bypassed by passing the shift...AND Alt keys!


The we will outwit them by drawing a line with a black felt tip pen..
 
2004-12-17 01:59:05 PM  
Wait until the first time this doesn't work in a CD player after someone shelled out $17 for a new CD.

No copy protection will ever work, as long as computers have a sound-in port and a way to record the signal, both of which have been routine technology for at least 15 years.
 
2004-12-17 02:01:43 PM  
Hrm... Using Linux and Grip, it seems to MATTER NOT ONE BIT whether I use Shift, Alt, or Meta.

/don't really have a Meta key these days...
 
2004-12-17 02:03:15 PM  
Although, if you put an accent mark character (Filter, American Cliche` [thingy]), Nero doesn't like to burn it to a new disc. Now, *that*'s copy protection.
 
2004-12-17 02:03:32 PM  
music comes on CD's now? wow what a wonderful age we live in!
 
2004-12-17 02:06:01 PM  
When one figures out that laws are bought and paid for, rather than a question of right and wrong, it gets one ta thinking. Might it not only be copyright laws that put the fix in on behalf of business? Naw. Can't be.

/Big Media is the new Big Tobacco.
 
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2004-12-17 02:06:17 PM  
C.....D's?

who uses those nowadays?
 
2004-12-17 02:07:08 PM  
You know, I bet they could have produced much better music for the money they spent on this so called "security" :)
 
2004-12-17 02:07:30 PM  
I once bought a CD (I think it was "The Best of Joan Jett") that tried to install a player, but it was Quicktime 3.0 based, and 5.0 was the current Quicktime at the time, and in the end, even if I did install the software, it would have rendered the machine's playback of CD's inoperable.

So I put it in a Linux box, ripped to mp3s (now I use ogg), and played it over the LAN. Hell with that.

I had WinAMP on random play, and the first song it played was "Nag." Heh.
 
2004-12-17 02:08:03 PM  
If you read the full article there it doesn't say that you can defeat the new protection with the shift key. It says that about the old one. At least that is how I read it.
 
2004-12-17 02:08:43 PM  
well they'll have to put some anti-copy software on mp3's themselves otherwise its pointless =P
 
2004-12-17 02:13:21 PM  
can't you just make an ISO of the CD and burn the image to a blank disk?

A copy with the copy protection!
 
2004-12-17 02:13:28 PM  
I am befuddled at the way they can add HEAVY encryption and yet it is still playable by my $20 POS CD player. More like they are not adhering to the spec book in an attempt to confuse my computer's cd drive.

Sounds also like they are installing some sort of BS spyware to interfere with your system.

My computer system is cranky enough without them adding some sort of ham-handed crap to it that I don't authorize. Every farking CAD package I have has to add some other layer of dongle guarding and anti-copy crap. You have to load this one first, then that one, diddle the farking setups bleh. It's working as is, but add this stuff and who knows?

Personally, I'll load it up on a Linux system, eradicate their crap and make clean copies, just to piss them off.

Jeff, I see that our CIC has stroked the pen to the bill o'doom. Are the brass throwing themselves off the top floor of the cube yet?
 
2004-12-17 02:15:01 PM  
Figures that as soon as I get one of these iPod things someone starts coming up with ways to stop me from putting music on it. Are they going to mark these copy-protected CDs so I can avoid buying them? (As if they make anything on CDs that I would want to buy anyway... I am paying my son's computer-dork friend $50 to wire my turntable to the computer so I can get my LPs in the iPod too. These really are remarkable little devices; I think I understand why the kids are all plugged into one nowadays.)
 
2004-12-17 02:15:45 PM  
Why would you want to copy a CD anyhow? I mean they are nearly indistructable under normal usage. I mean I have some I have had for better than ten years and they still play like new.
 
2004-12-17 02:18:36 PM  
and in business news, Sharpie stock just rose 12 points.

jeez, will these people ever stop and look at the numbers? since the advent of MP3, music sales has INCREASED!

not to mention the PRICE of said music.
 
2004-12-17 02:20:13 PM  
Fark links to the Anandtech news board these days...?
 
2004-12-17 02:21:11 PM  
It should be noted that you can also defeat auto-play by setting a local access policy that restricts cd-rom access to the locally logged in user (the cd won't be able to play itself), for those of you using win2k+ systems.
 
2004-12-17 02:23:15 PM  
Riaa to the world, "All your bass are belong to us."
 
2004-12-17 02:23:31 PM  
2004-12-17 02:15:45 PM TurnerBrown
Why would you want to copy a CD anyhow?

BWaahahahahahahahahaha
 
2004-12-17 02:23:37 PM  
Hmmmm, the link lies, saying it is linking to CNET when it is really linking to a somewhat well known tech forum. Headline lies, stating that this can be defeated by holding the shift key, where the full article (the one actually on CNET) says it cannot.

How did this article get greenlighted? Did a Mod actually RTFA? Or is one of the Mods pimping traffic for Anandtech....?
 
2004-12-17 02:24:11 PM  
"I mean they are nearly indistructable under normal usage. I mean I have some I have had for better than ten years and they still play like new."

Riiiiiiight!
sarcasm?

i am wondering if just making an iso of the CD and then burning would work, in theory it should.

By the way stupid music exec people! Those CDs you give away to DJs, radio stations, etc end up being bought for $5 or less, or get copied and given to friends, or put on the web. Just pay artists more to make better music and sell the stuff at a reasonable price. farking morons.
 
2004-12-17 02:24:22 PM  
This story is so old. They have been doing this in europe for a while. What the hell is going on with the links that get green lighted lately?
 
2004-12-17 02:25:01 PM  
1. Insert CD in player.
2. Run line-out to line-in of MP3 recorder.
3. Profit...?
 
2004-12-17 02:26:21 PM  
In other news...
I can still plug my CD player into my sound card and rip it that way
 
2004-12-17 02:27:08 PM  
Is it legal for me to sell my CD's to a pawn shop and for them to resell those CD's?

It's a valid question, I always wondered about that. We bought hundreds of CD's at pawn shops for under $5 each over the years. And now I've ripped them all to mp3 on my network with iTunes and play them on the surround with xbox media center.

Technology is so cool.
 
2004-12-17 02:29:08 PM  
They are so out of touch. I ACTUALLY remember when I was LOOKING FORWARD to BUYING the next release by one of my favorite artists. The problem these days is that we're all tired of getting ripped-off by these piles of un-artistic crap. I consider it my personal obligation to circumvent any and all attempts at copy protection. Hopefully, eventually, only the artists will be left, who want only to create things of artistry, simply because they wish to be creative.
 
2004-12-17 02:29:44 PM  
i personally almost never buy cds new anymore
thank you half price books
 
2004-12-17 02:30:56 PM  
"Riiiiiiight!
sarcasm?"

Actually a troll

/Husband of a song writer
//hopes to make some money off her time and financial investment at some point.
 
2004-12-17 02:31:39 PM  
um...

dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/copy_of_cd.iso
cdrecord dev=/dev/cdburner ~/copy_of_cd.iso
 
2004-12-17 02:32:10 PM  
Does anyone know ways around copying DVD's? Want to burn a couple, have a DVD burner & software, but can't get past the encryption.

Any links, tips or help would be greatly appreciated, farkers.

/thanks in advance
 
2004-12-17 02:33:49 PM  
Bah.. I just download free music. Free as in speech, free as in beer. It's win-win.

OC Remixes, for example. Thousands of remixed video game songs, many of them quite good.
 
2004-12-17 02:33:58 PM  
erewhon:
Sounds also like they are installing some sort of BS spyware to interfere with your system.

That's exactly what I think too. Not spyware necessarily but something that recognizes the CD and interferes with the normal operation of your OS while the CD is in the drive.

No thanks. The funny thing is most people who would seek to violate copy protection won't be hindered by this one bit. It's only the 12 year olds that will get stumped by this, and they do a crappy job of ripping mp3s anyway! (dang 96 Kbps $%&@)
 
2004-12-17 02:36:35 PM  
TurnerBrown:
/Husband of a song writer
//hopes to make some money off her time and financial investment at some point.


If it's any consolation, relatively unknown musicians have tended to do better since the existence of the internet and/or P2P than before it.
 
2004-12-17 02:37:41 PM  
DecemberNitro

*cough*
DVD Shrink
*cough*

It strips out the regionalization and encryption and copies the .vob files to your hard drive. At that point, you can burn them onto a blank with Nero, Alcohol, etc.
 
2004-12-17 02:38:33 PM  
schezar

Bah.. I just download free music. Free as in speech, free as in beer. It's win-win.


Free beer?

Where!
 
2004-12-17 02:39:17 PM  
If you go to the original article that this one links to, it says:

"...could be fairly easily disabled simply by pressing a computer's Shift key while the CD was loading, for example. That issue has been fixed in the company's most recent version of its products."
 
2004-12-17 02:41:26 PM  
The good news is, considering how quickly information spreads these days (and it's only getting faster), and how just about anyone can produce their own stuff now, that true artists don't have to be dead before they are recognized (ie: recieve funds for their efforts.)
RIAA is living on borrowed time, no matter what they do, simply because they focus on the money first, rathet than the artistry. It's the other way around that made them the money in the first place. Truely creative people will create, regardless of fame and fortune potential. We should ALL do whatever we can to topple the RIAA and any similar organization that limits and controls true creativity. I'm proud to say that I'm doing my part (Personal message to Lars Ulrich: Bite my a**, you profiteering, unartistic, loser!)
I download music, delete it, then download it AGAIN, just to spite those a-holes!
 
2004-12-17 02:42:03 PM  
I hope the people who are doing this programming for the industry have sharpened their resumes. It really can't be long before everyone finally realizes how useless this is.
 
2004-12-17 02:44:45 PM  
DecemberNitro:

DVD Shrink works beautifuly- it's free, and tiny as hell too! Just Google it.
 
2004-12-17 02:46:18 PM  
Copy protection on CDs?

This is about as valuable as protection on 8tracks and reel to reels.
 
2004-12-17 02:49:25 PM  
DecemberNitro
Does anyone know ways around copying DVD's? Want to burn a couple, have a DVD burner & software, but can't get past the encryption.

As mentioned above, DVD Shrink is a beautiful tool. However, if you have problems, it can usually be solved by running the DVD in your DVD player software. Then try DVD Shrink again. That'll get by some encryption problems.
 
2004-12-17 02:51:28 PM  
I used to buy CD's. I bought hundreds of dollars in CD's when Napster was in its glory days. Now that I'm considered a criminal for converting my music to MP3's, I no longer buy CD's.

I haven't bought a CD in years. Filesharing didn't cause them to lose a dime. I argue that it only increased exposure of their artists. During that time I discovered dozens of artists I actually liked. Their pointless lawsuits are what is hurting them.
 
2004-12-17 02:52:40 PM  
Iollow,

Yeah, I'm not ripping the technology. It's changing the way distribution works and allowing more opportunity for the little guy. Nobody understands how monolithic the current system is as well as someone trying to bread into the biz.

I'm just ripping the people who make a bazillion free copies but never buy anthing , and don't give a crap about intellectual property.

I love the concept of online sampling of songs then you buy'em for a buck or less if you like em.
 
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