The general response in this forum to his rant pretty much proves his point. At least the first few dozen that I bothered to read.

I used to be a democ-rat, too, but then I opened my eyes to reality.

democ-rat OMG LOLLOLO!L!!O!L!!

I thought Xerox invented TCP/IP at PARC in the 60's and basically thought it was useless and gave it away...

just like the mouse

and the GUI

Ogdenwernstrom same here!

It's not uncommon to hear very critical speech from Canadians these days.

WorldCitizen

I think you've summed everything up quite nicely.

Sheesh.. go for a salad and miss a lot of posts. Eh, call me a grammar nazi, at least I can be superior at gatherings and other parties when people start babbling about things and have no clue what they are actually saying... reminds me of that skit on "In Living Color".

Berklee, I actually wouldn't doubt some Americans put winning a lawsuit as a plan for retirement or whatever, right along with winning the lottery. I think it was mostly facetious. Or I hope so anyway, otherwise there are suddenly way too many trailer dwelling trash types being asked to respond to polls.

Dave.bowman

Did I ever say the US hadn't invented something useful? You were the one saying that US had invented all the important things, remember?

I made mention of one invention in my post (which wasn't even the point of my post), which was the Internet. I made no reference to the US inventing all the important things, you just put those words in my mouth. Go back and re-read what I wrote and you will find that you are, as you put it, "wrong".

Also, the Internet doesn't equate to the world wide web. People who don't know about computers just think it does. IE: yourself.

Internet: worldwide network of computer computer networks that use the TCP/IP network protocols to facilitate data transmission and exchange

WWW: The complete set of documents residing on all Internet servers that use the HTTP protocol, accessible to users via a simple point-and-click system.


Spazkid:1 Dave.bowman: 0

Before I wish everyone a good weekend, I'd like to tell everyone of a frightening evening I had on Weds night.

I was watching West Wing and on the show the president played by Martin Sheen had 2 chess games going at the same time with 2 of his staffers all the while he was discussing the finer points of foreign policy with both of them.

Now the scarey part, during one of the commercial breaks there was a short news update and there was some footage of GWB.

Patriots!!!! Whoo-hoo!!!! #1!!! #1!!! Whoo-hoo!!!


Okay, I sorry. I stop now.

Gotta love how a singular person actually draws conclusions about the masses of ANY nation; America or not.

I read other news sources, in fact I even pay to get a bunch of European news and chinese news and arab news. Okay, I don't pay much, but still, I find it interesting.

I know who Putin is, more about China than them being labeled "bad guys", I don't only watch American movies, in fact one of my favorites is actually a French flick and I happen to like watching British TV...I know that the American way isn't the only way, but I still like it and I won't trash the country, but I will trash the government.. I know other countries do good things and that everything outside the U.S. isn't a 3rd world. I know we aren't always right.. but I also know that we are still a rather "young" nation in the scheme of things and I'm rather tired of people who label and stereotype the "vast majority" of Americans and expect us all to somehow be perfect and are most probably rather gleeful every single time we make a mistake.

How anyone in the rest of the world has any right to label Americans this or that is amazing to me. Jump all over Americans for thinking or doing whatever, and yet you are quite guilty of it yourself.

What would be nice is if people everywhere would quit with the stupid stereotypes and labels and maybe start giving others human something called the benefit of the doubt.

As far as who invented TCP/IP, it was Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn. Both Americans who worked for DARPA.

GO

SOX!!

asshole.

Yankees fans can kiss my what?

Well said, Karmic Hoax

I smell a massive DNS attack coming, anyone want in? The farking balls on this biatch, he should come say some shiat to my face, then I would show him that American can do spirt. farking Canucks. What do expect for any culture that was bastardized[sp]from the French. I don't spell well but I can shoot like a sonofabiatch.

Sohare: asshat?? That was sarcasm I was using, ya dumb sonafabiatch. If you had read the entire post, including the quote at the end you probably would have eventually figured that out. Christ, now I know why people use the tag...for iggnerent monkey humpers that take everything literally.

Wow bam...way to add to the stereo-typical american!

"hilarious... the most vehement post in a while comes from a grammar nazi. i guess we suck at the dictionary."

Words have meanings, and you've been confusing the word-meaning links between "patriotism" and "bigotry" this entire thread pretty much. To give you an analogy of the mistake you've been making, consider the following example: you say "I HATE ALL FOREIGNERS," and then someone flames you for it, followed by your response "DUMBASS DON'T BE SUCH A GRAMMAR NAZI OBVIOUSLY HATE=LOVE RETARD LOLOLOL." Understand now?

I like Yellow Times.org

I read inflammatory diatribes like that and I think "Gee are the cases he's citing true? Do they have any basis in fact?" It doesn't make me angry. It makes me curious. If at all possible I try to verify such statements for my own benefit.

For all you Americans who say this guy should just 'leave', you're bad Americans. You have the same fanatical hatred of other ideas that Islamic fundamentalists do. I say you should leave. This guy has every right to speak his mind. If you were a good American you'd believe that and defend his right to say it. You can say that his ideas are baseless, ridiculous or stupid; but to say he should 'leave' is shameful.

Curse intolerant Americans.

YAWN!
That was about as intellectually stimulating as a proctological examination.
I love it when Holier-than-thous claim that the Holier-than-thous are not so holy.
I think the key point is that people who love their country (any country, including the US) recognize we have problems.
The difference between the US and other countries is that we air our dirty laundry, and often revel in it. But we're also good at cleaning up ours and other peoples' messes.

Sure, there are blowhard patriots, but they live in every country. Al-Qaeda may not represent a country, but they are blowhard Muslim patriots. Who also happen to be intensely stupid. US blowhards are stupid, but they don't blow themselves up.

WorldCitizen - They walked around with an attitude of owning the place even though they knew nothing about the culture other than the small travel book they might have read on the plane over.

Oh and that is so much different than people leagally and illegally crossing the US borders to come over to this country and then promptly telling everyone we have to honor and respect their culture all the while not respecting ours. I have seen many people from other countries be very rude, but i guess that doesn't matter huh. Americans are the only offenders of this. Blame America first.

Will someone please tell us what country we should be more like!

silence fills the air....

What I find most interesting is I've seen "don't stereo type the world you damn fat, lazy, McDonald's eating, cow boy hat wearing, drug using, Texas ranch owning Americans!"

Does anyone else find that funny?

exactly boot.....

I think we should be more like a mix of all countries...oh wait....

"it is like the person at the cocktail party that has the most money and power"

In a way it's not like that at all. Yes, America's policies are swayed by money, but also by the influence of a wide variety of international interests, probably more than most nations. Yes, we dabble in the affairs of other nations, but it's not because we're like one pompous ass who thinks we're better than everyone else, it's because we ARE everyone else. Where did Mohammed Atta train to be a pilot? Where did Yasir Arafat go to college? Who trained al Qaeda? Someone has to be the richest and the most powerful, and whoever that is, is going to be lobbied by the rest of the world to come to their aid, and will step on the toes of the less wealthy and powerful. Complaining about it is like arguing on the internet.

Well AburKadabur, that was stupidly circular. You want Americans who don't agree with YOU to leave because they think that those don't agree with them should leave.

All righty.

"For all you Americans who say this guy should just 'leave', you're bad Americans. You have the same fanatical hatred of other ideas that Islamic fundamentalists do. I say you should leave. This guy has every right to speak his mind. If you were a good American you'd believe that and defend his right to say it. You can say that his ideas are baseless, ridiculous or stupid; but to say he should 'leave' is shameful.

Curse intolerant Americans."

Wow, is it possible you don't see your own hypocrisy? Incredible.

One of the places I go to for 'news' is www.azzam.com which is definitely NOT from my point of view, but it is interesting nonetheless. Jihad News. Check out the Afghanistan Jihad News page... all kinds of stuff. =o)

WorldCitizen
You've got a lot of great points. We as Americans do have to see China as more than "the bad guys" and get our news and entertainment from sources other than just the U.S. I know I do. The sad thing is that there's too many that get their news from Jay Leno and Jerry Springer and that's all they care about.

I blame it all on the public school systems and their over abundance of political correctness. Teaching in a way that doesn't insult anyone stifles free-thought and discussion.

That and pot-smoking! :)

Creep Vassalage: besides... how can "we" tell some guy from Canada to leave the U.S.?

But I agree... AburKadabur is being a Hypocrite... "Hey, he has the right to say that so you can't tell him to leave the country. You should shut up and let him talk and only listen to him. because Chuckman there is correct and no one else is right so stop critiquing him. It hurts his feelings and makes his dog walk around with its tail between it's legs."

not an assault on U.S. patriotism, an assault on the U.S. itself. really hostile, paranoid, and bitter stuff. he had some definite points, but overall hes making the weaker argument the stronger. and of course, this guy is just a magazine writer. he has to put a spin on it, for it to sell. the more outrageous, the more times he'll be on fark and get noticed

I'm not American I can tell anyone I want to leave America.

Phew!

Just point this out -

Third world contribution the following troops to UN Peace keeping -

Bangladesh 5,781,
Ghana 2,140
India 2,216
Jordan 1,096
Kenya 1,700
Nigeria 3,321
Pakistan 5,047
Ukraine 1,278

The US contributes 1. That's one whole person.

Phix-it, here's what I want to know. Is that American or the nature of humans? How many OTHER citizens of other nations actually *know* (not think they know) about American people? So far, I've read quite a bit of ignorance from non-Americans regarding Americans.

Do the majority of Egyptians or British people or anyone else read or watch multiple sources for news items?

So far, the big difference I can see between myself (American) and the individual non-Americans I've seen post is that I don't waste my time with sweeping judgments and labels for people I've never even met.

AburKadabur: you missed the point completely.

Feel the breeze?

And that is an asinine comment. "I'm not --insert your nationality-- so I can say leave --your country--."

Lilac: Where the fark did you get that crap? I can honestly say that unless things have changed drastically since 1997, we have far more then *ONE* US troop with UN peace keepers...

Wadda moron. Fhuk ya. And leave this country that you so obviously despise. Jackass.

This is the most entertainment I seen in a long time.

But seriously, we need some boobies. More boobies!

I have arguments to be made, but I just got paid and I wanna see some farkin boobies!

Karmic Hoax
I agree. Everyone else "knows" the U.S. through it's pop-culture and it's news. That's a sad excuse.

I'm sure I could make a bad assumption of -ANY- people if I only watched their daytime TV. :)

When my girlfriend was in England for a semester and someone asked her if she was from America they all started chanting "JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY"

Pretty ignorant eh?

But to answer your question. It's human nature. If we all dedicated to learn everything about everybody. We'd all be crazy and be about 120 before we could actually go on and live our lives.

Clarification... my gf didn't start chanting "JERRY" the brits did.

Karmic Hoax:
I would say, then, that you are in the minority when it comes to americans. we LOOOOVE to make sweeping judgements.

I mean, I went to my supermarket here in nyc andthere were those little vending machines for kiddies, you know, with bracelets and charms and stuff, and there was a sticker machine with anti-afghanistani shiny stickers in it! huh? we are teaching our kids early to make generalizations like that.

Kym

Just like the old stereotype that all Americans are cowboys. Sheesh.

lol

Seriously, rampent sarcasm is funny too.

I understand alot of the Americans reluctance to hear bad news about their own government. Nobody likes to be woken up while they're having a nice dream.
I think most people would agree that the "idea" of America is great. Could be one of the greatest cultures ever. Except the reality of what america is doesn't match up with what you all want it to be or think it currently is. Doesn't mean it can't be the land of hopes and dreams and milk and honey and pr0n. You just have to accept that your current government, like it or not, does not have your best interests at heart. They are looking out for the corporations that paid their way in.
So what can you do? Read. Everything, even stupid YellowTimes articles. Just like every movie has at least on good line, most of these articles have at least a grain a truth. Usually more. It's just a drag to hear it. There is no room for cynicism and withdrawal in our society anymore, you have to pay attention...or lose your rights.