Birdboy2000 - But I see no reason they shouldn't be given some bits of happiness...

I wonder if the victim's families every experience bits of happiness? I wonder if the rape victim experiences bits of happiness? I wonder if the dead experience bits of happiness?

Sorry birdboy2000, those who rape, maim, defile and kill don't deserve bits of happiness. They deserve a LOT of time to think about what they have done and work towards not only bettering themselves, but paying back society for their awful, horrible acts.

- "Respect my authority!!" - Eric Cartman

ihatedumbpeople
Yes! Because we sure as hell don't want to teach the prisoners how to live a proper life once they get out of jail ... Not that I think a life in luxury will be much help either.

Wouldn't this be seen as a good life by some of the guys hanging around where I live? The people who are too poor to afford video games, let alone clothes that were made after 1986? So some poor slob who can't get a good job goes and kills people and gets thrown in the clink where he can play Halo 2 (which is more than I can say!)

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS??? VIDEO GAMES ENCOURAGE CRIME!!!!

/sarcasm
//except about Halo 2... I'd kill some transients and cripples for that...

Rape victims can move on with their lives eventually, they don't go through half of what prisoners do... The families of victims have to live with the sorrow, the prisoners their guilt and frequent rape. And if a little happiness can change them, if video games can give them the desire to better themselves, if an anime series now and then can develop in them a sense of empathy, and maybe make them contributing members of society down the road, I think it's worth giving people a little happiness, not all of us our sadists...

/C'mon, a little help here!

/stirring the stir

Okay, birdboy2000 you are now officially crazy in my book. You just empathized with rapists. Do you realize how bad rape mindfarks someone? I really hope you're kidding man.

Anything that offers a time consuming alternative to fashioning a shiv out of a tooth brush is fine with me. While I'd like to see prisoners being punished for their crimes, I'd also like to see less injuries of guards and less butt-rape. If that involves buying prisoners a few Playstations, I'm all for it.

Seriously, some of you guys are out of control. It's fine. Most people in prison are not garbage, they just have problems.

Ok, some are garbage. But still, most probably have redeeming qualities. And they have no money and no job to look forward to. Let em play Mario Bros. It made me a better person!

Rape victims can move on with their lives eventually, they don't go through half of what prisoners do

Who gives a fark what a rapist goes through. He chose to rape somebody. He deserves his arse raped for as long as he's in prison.
I know a rape victim and she is constantly in fear wherever she goes. I don't think she'll ever get over it.

You are a farking idiot.

birdboy2000

I'm sure video games and anime will help prisoners develop the empathy they so sorely lacked in life. Come on? This is a huge load. I'm sure that video games, television and anime will help prisoners become contributing members of society. Sorry. Don't buy it. I doubt the "little happiness" that they may receive from viedo games/anime are going to be enough to magically change them from sicko rapist to model citizen. I don't even think it'll be a start.

Prisoners have it rough. I'm sure. I sure as Hell don't want to go to prison. So what do I do about it? I... Don't... Break... The... Law.

And as for, as you said earlier, "the idea of making our prisoners into intellectuals", this is what you'll end up with...

Lokilanie
"I say that all jails should be like Maricopa County, all hail Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Maricopa County has a excellent program where people just don't want to go back there. "

Ah Tent City! The memories!

110 F and no a/c, the body searches, the Mexican gangbangers, pink underwear, the bologna sandwiches with extra green slime.



The human rights law suits costing the City millions. The grandstanding for votes.

/not sayin'

birdboy2000
"Rape victims can move on with their lives eventually, they don't go through half of what prisoners do"

People who were raped did not put themselves in a position of the danger of being raped in prison. They did not choose to be violated or demoralized. A person in prison for rape did choose that by their own actions.
Your statement is ignorant and twisted.

Rape is a horrible thing... But I prefer empathizing with rapists then running them through a rape factory and increasing their chances of even more violent crime. Your screams for blood have led prisons to become as horrible as they are today, slavery doesn't have a good record of making people productive members of society, and you people want them in what amounts to slavery... You see where it's gotten us?

Your policy punishes quite well, but it sure as hell doesn't change anything...

/No digimon fan has ever committed a violent crime
//Just saying

"He deserves his arse raped for as long as he's in prison."

Idiot. Your mom would be disappointed in you. No one deserves to get raped.

birdboy2000

I'd be willing to bet that making prisoners watch Anime could be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

WhatGall
Glad I'm not the only sane person here.

Do they get to play Grand Theft Auto?

Hey, how come I'm a TFer suddenly?

I would disagree with Espertron, but he is right.

So is Headlice, the threat of manditory Anime watching would keep me on the straight and narrow!

All-in with 3s:

If a prisoner assaults a prison employee, you make an example of him. Then, next time someone is thinking about assaulting the staff, they reconsider.

I would guess that most people who are in the prison system aren't there because they made good judgments at the critical moment. if a guy is thinking about shivving a staff member, I'd guess he's not going to think it through thoroughly and realize that there are stricter punishments. that's why he's in prison in the first place, most likely.

I don't want to empathizie with a rapist. That's too disgusting to even want to think aboutbirdboy2000. To empathize with someone is to put yourself "in their shoes", to try to feel what they are feeling. Who, in their right mind, would want to try to feel what a rapist is feeling? Sick.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see a torture factory for prisoners. They do deserve basic human rights, but not luxuries. Sorry. I do believe they should be rehabilitated. That can be done through hard work, vocational training and education. Not through video-games and Japanese adolescent semi-porn.

As a Missourian, let me be the first to say the obvious:

It works perfectly... Prisoners open their mind and develop empathy, bigoted morons stay out of jail ^_^

(We need something to handle the otaku though... What about making them watch bad dubs for two straight hours, before we show them the good stuff?)

MrGumboPants

I think if someone close to you got raped you'd think again.

birdboy2000 Is there any research to show that anything you have mentioned would help? I'd love to see the summary, "We took a prison popluation full of mass murderers, rapists and child molesters and found that watching Anime made them nver want to commit another crime again. But that may be because of the 100% sucide rate."

The only thing that prisons should be used for is ensuring that criminals do not commit crimes again.

Putting prisoners in an inhumane situation makes them more likely to commit violent crime again. While one might think that having more horrible prisons discourages recidivism, it actually encourages it. Instead of discouraging them from commiting violence, violent prisons teach them that violence is an appropriate solution to all of their problems.


If it were up to me, I would execute all prisoners within ten minutes of being convicted of a felony. It would keep them from commiting crime again. Since we can't do that, this seems like a good alternative. It seems a hell of a lot more likely that someone will come out more 'normal' by living psuedo-normally in a pansy prison than in a rape infested dog-eat-dog prison.

[B]Communist_Manifesto[/B]

No, because it's never been tried... But I've yet to see a viable alternative, and everything's worth a shot, especially with such a severe crisis on our hands that creates so many prisoners...

/Let them pay their debt to society as test subjects for new prison methods
//Who knows, it might work...

All-in with 3s:

If a prisoner assaults a prison employee, you make an example of him. Then, next time someone is thinking about assaulting the staff, they reconsider.

Or leave no witnesses.

Sorry, but I do believe in humane punishment of criminals. That is one reason they should not be allowed to watch...

Espertron

Ever here of subbed versions?

(I'm still working on a way to keep the otaku out, but I think this plan might just work.)

(On second thought, keeping them away from cons and AFF should work on most of them, and the thought of mandatory yaoi watching should work on the rest.)

When I went to prison in 92, it was not a pleasant experience. There was no tv's, weights, library, free phones or none of that other crap. I clear cut trees from ditches in central Florida, for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.

Do I believe that prisons should be nice? Hell no! Prison are supposed to suck. I do think that there should be some attempt at rehabiltiation but there should be no luxuries at all.

/New River east, Raiford, FL- some of the most crooked, bastard guards you have ever seen.

I'm for capital punishment, but against the death penalty.

/who needs video games in prisons if there are no prisons?

I smoke pot, throw me in jail.

And when you do, please remember to include a note to the Mexican indigent school that I support that they are better off with no education, then to...
Damn, sorry, I just can't se how those kids would be better off without my pot-smoking support.

(Disappearing for a bit now, will launch bid for office on Rhino party ticket soon)

Espertron

Ever here of subbed versions?

I have, and trust me, it's far more tolerable. Those terrible voices they use for the english version are enough to make one take up crime.

Once again, a prison thread populated by tons of nitwits who've never dealt with individuals in a correctional facility setting.

DUMBASSES, THE GUARDS DO NOT WANT TO DIE.

At San Quentin in Northern California (home of the largest death row in the country), there are 915 custody staff WORKING IN SHIFTS who oversee about 6,000 prisoners in a facility designed for around 3,000.

YOU TARDS who want to ENDANGER the lives of correctional officers by turning violent criminals into SAVAGE ANIMALS by removing all incentives to behave SHOULD FARKING DIE.

If a violent criminal has NO incentive to behave, then why the fark should he? ANSWER: HE WON'T AND THEY'LL RIOT.

Jesus christ, you dumbasses are worse than liberals. I hate you.

It seems a hell of a lot more likely that someone will come out more 'normal' by living psuedo-normally in a pansy prison than in a rape infested dog-eat-dog prison.

I suspect that most prisons have a zero success rate with "rehabilitation". LOTS of prisons have gangs INSIDE the prison, dealing drugs and killing guys. Putting hardened criminals in a brutal environment merely puts them in their element. The least evil get raped, beaten, stabbed etc, the most evil become feared leaders commanding armies of inmates.

If I was sent to prison for doing something bad, I'm sure that years of beatings and forced sex would NOT make me a better person. It might fark me in the head so badly that I was unable to live a normal life afterwards though. People who support the prison system as-is are supporting a factory that makes the worst criminals tougher, and the minor crooks even more poorly socialized, or dead.

Wittgenstein'sPoker



I'm sorry that you "hate" me and my beliefs are worse than those of liberals and that I, to quote you, "SHOULD FARKING DIE.", but here are a few facts for you to remember:

1. I obey the law.
2. I have never endangered the lives of correctional officers.
3. I am not a violent criminal.

Maybe you should spew your vitriol at the people who truly endanger the correctional officers who proport to care for so much: The Criminals who willingly broke the laws that caused them to land in prison.

Take some and relax already!

For the record: I don't want to see prisons become hothouses of violence and human degredation. I would gladly like to see taxpayer money go towards making prisons places of rehabilitation instead of a place to put a violent felon away for a while.

What is needed is:
1. Hard work to repay society
2. Vocational training
3. Drug-Alcohol rehabilitation
4. Frequent psychological counseling
5. Education: I'd love to see a more defined prison-college program, ESL programs, literacy programs, GED programs.
6. Stronger security and state/federal oversight: Eliminate corruption amongst the guards, prevent drugs/weapons/alcohol from entering the prison in the first place.
7. Crime-within-Prison responsiveness.

In fact, a mantadory part of the parole process should involve a) good behavior, b) sincere remorse on behalf of the prisoner and a willingness to right their wrongs, c) an education (either vocational or higher-education). Tell a prisoner they don't get to leave prison until they get both serve their time AND get a degree would be a major stimulus to want to get out of their.

Espertron - get out of their.

errr... get out of THERE.

Missouri, they finally got something right. I see no problem with pacification of inmates. I think software should be developed specifically for the purpose of brainwashing prisoners into learning rules of civil conduct. In the meantime, it beats having them build muscle.

If all long-term inmates were sentenced to immediate death, we wouldn't have that problem. Prison is a farking free ride paid for by honest people. I say anyone serving 7+ years in prison or anyone in on charges for a harsh crime, should just be put down like the useless dogs they are. Die plz k thnx n00b.

I do not see how video games shouild be an incentive. They want some entertainment? Go watch teh news channel or read a f*cking book. My big issue is in most cases a criminal has infringed on someone else's rights, ie murder, robbery, etc. So if they can infringe on other rights we should infringe on theres. I have seen shots of prisons with tv in there cells? WHAT? put a tv in teh cafetria or maybe the library, or media room, games? let them play parcheesi. Sorry bastards. As for incentives, how about seeing the sun? How about deserts at lunch, how about a chance to get out early?

Side Note: I cannot wait until the day comes that military service is mandatory, I think the country would be a tad better off.

I_B_OTAY

Thank you.