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(The Tennessean)   Showing that the army doesn't fold to PR: Soldier who asked Rummy "the question" has entire unit armored the next day. Sheer coincidence, claims administration   (tennessean.com) divider line 272
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2004-12-16 12:13:45 PM  
Sounds great to me. The guy asked for it, Rumsfeld went to bat for him and he got the armor.

The SENATE votes on the money to go this armor. They shot it down and that's why Rumsfeld is getting lambasted. SecDef cant go and ask for the money from the Prez. SENATORS have to get this done. Rumsfeld's answer should have been: ask your senator.
 
2004-12-16 12:18:38 PM  
Rumsfeld went to bat for him

Excuse me while I go laugh my ass off.
 
2004-12-16 12:22:35 PM  
Sounds like a smart soldier to me..
 
2004-12-16 12:27:46 PM  
Rummy had to do something to get his fat out of the fire.
 
2004-12-16 12:29:47 PM  
In response to the clamor provoked by Wilson's question, the Army on Friday revised a production contract with Armor Holdings Inc. to boost production of factory-built armored Humvees from 450 per month to 550 per month at its plant in Cincinnati.

SecDef cant go and ask for the money from the Prez.


Umm, sure he can... they got a blank check for a lot of this, and can spend it how they want (that's part of why some senators opposed the bill ;) )
 
2004-12-16 12:36:37 PM  
nothingyet:

First, Congress as a whole votes, and appropriations bills start in the House, not the Senate.

Second, the money that has already been appropriated for the war is not earmarked down to the penny for any one particular purpose. Congress doesn't fill out a fifty page form enumerating each and every expenditure the army is to make with that money. The executive is given the funds, with some restrictions, e.g. "spend this on military operations in Iraq" and is given a great deal of discretion in determining how it gets spent to further that purpose.

The money is there for the Pentagon to spend. There's no one to blame but them.
 
2004-12-16 12:57:58 PM  
kronicfeld
But how are you supposed to blame the democrats then??
 
2004-12-16 01:18:19 PM  
senate shot it down...


wtf!

the 87 billion that had the armor was THREATENED WITH A VETO BY PRESIDENT BUSH. btw, thats teh one that kerry voted FOR.
 
2004-12-16 01:20:30 PM  
Sounds like a smart soldier to me...

Especially knowing he was fed the question. labeling the soldier as 'smart' is a gross overstatement.
 
2004-12-16 01:22:42 PM  
Sure, first the armor, next a Code Red.

/you can't handle...nevermind
 
2004-12-16 01:22:53 PM  
They shot it down and that's why Rumsfeld is getting lambasted.

ps: That bill passed...
 
2004-12-16 01:32:31 PM  
Hmm....

Someone's career is over.
 
2004-12-16 01:36:07 PM  
Weaver95

Hmm....

Someone's career is over.


Ding, ding, ding. Weaver95 wins the thread.
 
2004-12-16 02:01:41 PM  
demoralizer


Especially knowing he was fed the question. labeling the soldier as 'smart' is a gross overstatement.


i spose the two thousand cheering soldiers were fed....wheaties?
 
2004-12-16 03:24:36 PM  
nothingyet,

They shot it down and that's why Rumsfeld is getting lambasted.

Incorrect, sir. The spending bill passed, although some did vote against it.

The money was there.
 
2004-12-16 03:33:26 PM  
heap

"i spose the two thousand cheering soldiers were fed....wheaties?

I spose you could call them 'smart' if they had chosen not to join the military. Wheaties will only get you so far...
 
2004-12-16 03:34:54 PM  
I spose you could call them 'smart' if they had chosen not to join the military.

Oh, I see - so, then everyone who choses to serve in the military is 'stupid'?
 
2004-12-16 04:00:03 PM  
I don't think the soldier is 'smart' because he asked The Question of Dumbsfeld. It's a fact he was fed the question. Was he smart to ask it? Maybe he was, but maybe not if you consider the consequences to his military 'career'. He might have been 'smart' to decide to go along with the reporter who's idea it was. The reporter actually hatched the plan, so I would call him 'smart' in this case. He used the soldier to infiltrate the censors. I think that was a creative tactic. 'Smart' in this case is relative to where you sit.

I don't think all that join the military are stupid, but I question their judgement.
 
2004-12-16 04:39:57 PM  
demoralizer,

It's fairly evident that you have a low opinion of troops and a disdain for the military, as a whole.

Just admit that you do. People may not like your opinion, but they'll respect you for having the balls to give voice to it.

This sidestepping crap you're pulling isn't fooling anyone.
 
2004-12-16 04:41:10 PM  
Correction:

They'll respect the fact that you have the balls to give voice to your opinion.
 
2004-12-16 04:57:47 PM  
He should be doing what he is paid to do, which is to shut his mouth and drive supplies to the front line regardless if his truck is armored or not. That's what he signed up to do.
 
2004-12-16 08:21:29 PM  
Weaver95: Someone's career is over.

I completely agree. You summed up the entire story perfectly. Good show.
 
2004-12-16 08:46:56 PM  
why does this submitter hate America?
 
2004-12-16 08:47:49 PM  
Good for that unit. If thats what it takes to get the needed supplies there are lots more soldiers out there that need to ask Rummy some questions.
 
2004-12-16 08:48:12 PM  
"Within 24 hours after" ? Chalk up another victory for illiteracy!
 
2004-12-16 08:48:23 PM  
Wow, how crazy...

of course there are about 15,000 more hardened humvees in theater now than were 18mos ago, but Rummie has nothing to do with that.. he only gets credit for the soldiers who get killed
 
2004-12-16 08:48:59 PM  
Weaver 95

Someone's career is over.

Would that be Rumsfeld's career or the soldier's?
 
2004-12-16 08:49:01 PM  
demoralizer:

He should be doing what he is paid to do, which is to shut his mouth and drive supplies to the front line regardless if his truck is armored or not. That's what he signed up to do.

Actually, during Rumsfeld's visit, the soldiers (to include him) were being paid to listen and ask questions.
 
2004-12-16 08:50:30 PM  
See, when they make stupid lies like this. I mean the really obvious ones, they wonder why we don't believe them when they really do tell the truth.

Our Country is run by morons
 
2004-12-16 08:54:26 PM  
He should complain about not having enough hot naked women next.
 
Teh
2004-12-16 08:56:57 PM  
Here's my question for the thread.

Why is it that the press has to feed lines to enlisted soldiers to get access to those with power?
 
2004-12-16 08:58:03 PM  
nothingyet:

The SENATE votes on the money to go this armor. They shot it down and that's why Rumsfeld is getting lambasted. SecDef cant go and ask for the money from the Prez. SENATORS have to get this done. Rumsfeld's answer should have been: ask your senator.



I'm pretty sure all funds asked for in Iraq were approved... Some senators might have voted against the funding, but that didn't stop it passing.
 
2004-12-16 08:58:28 PM  
It's clear Rumsfeld has done a splendid job, from the obviously well-planned "post hostility" period to Abu Graib to the issue of troop numbers, armor and supplies.

And so he has earned the right to be arrogant and unapologetic in the face of childish questions from the "fungible" portion of the military. After all, the mommies and daddies of America can more easily go into production of new Patriots than the Pentagon can armored Humvees.

Rumsfeld's distinguished career demands that he give caustic, verbose, and arcane replies to ordinary questions.

One wonders why so many people hate America, given that she was just sitting there minding her own business, as she has for centures, when Iraq suddenly knocked those two buildings down with a weed-eater-powered ultralight.

Man up and go shoot at towelhead!

.
 
2004-12-16 08:58:35 PM  
Hey Rummy
Could ya look into Quality control while your at it..
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2004-12-16 08:58:56 PM  
Guys, RTFA!
They were in the process of armoring the vehicles when this GI asked the question. They had 20 left for the next day. This isn't that the army caved. They were in the process of armoring the vehicles.

And besides, NOTHING in the US government moves that quick. What do you think, they just placed an emergancy order, and the company made the armor and installed it in one day? Or maybe it was the armor fairy...
 
2004-12-16 09:00:26 PM  
It's Clinton's fault. Right, Pubes?
 
2004-12-16 09:02:32 PM  
I bet he wishes he had asked for more pussy, instead of armor.
 
2004-12-16 09:02:44 PM  
nothingyet: The SENATE votes on the money to go this armor.


Uh, huh. So you are saying the SENATE acted super fast to vote the money for the armor within day of soldier's query?


/money was there all along
//Just not There...
/// Where There is a will there is a way...
//Farkit kicks @$$!!!11!
/doesn't have the hang of the "/" thing
 
2004-12-16 09:03:18 PM  
Well, THIS certainly won't get anyone poking around to see what else the Pentagon could be supplying but isn't!
 
2004-12-16 09:03:41 PM  
The squeaky wheel gets the armor.
 
2004-12-16 09:06:19 PM  
Publikwerks is right, people. According to the article, well over 90% of the unit's vehicles were already armored before the soldier asked the question. So, this really isn't an instance of the military resonding to a PR problem.

That being said, WTF was Rumsfeld thinking when he said that? That was an incredibly stupid thing to say, coming from an administration known saying really stupid things.

While I may agree with the necessity of the Iraq invasion, I have to say I've become extremely annoyed with how this administration is going about it (even if I do think Kerry would have been worse).
 
2004-12-16 09:06:41 PM  
said protective armor plates were added to the last 20 vehicles of the Tennessee-based 278th Regimental Combat Team's 830 vehicles shortly after the exchange with Rumsfeld.

troll on
 
2004-12-16 09:08:40 PM  
BeowulfSmith

even if I do think Kerry would have been worse

Yeah, keep repeating that to yourself for the next 4 years...
 
2004-12-16 09:10:11 PM  
thedrunkpug

said protective armor plates were added to the last 20 vehicles of the Tennessee-based 278th Regimental Combat Team's 830 vehicles shortly after the exchange with Rumsfeld.

Soldier says he spoke to Rumsfeld about armor in '03

NASHVILLE, Tenn. A former Tennessee soldier says he told Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld about the lack of armor for National Guard vehicles in September 2003.
Brandon Sandrell of Maury County says he raised the issue with Rumsfeld at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where Sandrell was recovering from shrapnel wounds after a bomb exploded beneath a Humvee in Iraq.

The former guardsman says Rumsfeld personally thanked him for his service and asked him what the troops were lacking in Iraq.

Sandrell says he told Rumsfeld that soldiers needed up-armored Humvees. He says the secretary replied that he was working on it.


WVLT-TV Volunteer TV, Knoxville, Tennessee
(pops)
 
2004-12-16 09:10:28 PM  
Why don't they use more Bradleys, and fewer humvees?
 
2004-12-16 09:11:07 PM  
This thread could get ugly.....
 
2004-12-16 09:11:56 PM  
After asking Wilson to repeat the question, Rumsfeld replied: ''You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have.''

Personal thoughts about the current *war* aside, his response was correct.
 
2004-12-16 09:12:53 PM  
BeowulfSmith: That being said, WTF was Rumsfeld thinking when he said that?

Uh, how about the truth? Life isn't a big PR strategy.

And you know, leftists are going to complain, their media outlets are going to distort, and no matter how good or bad things are, they're going to whine. That is, unless their man is in office, and then everything's right in the world.

They gave it their best shot this year, and they lost the presidential election, and more seats in congress. It's not working anymore. For 10 years they've been losing their grip on the government, and more unfortunately, reality.

Let them whine. It's music to my ears.

Did I mention Haliburton?
 
eps
2004-12-16 09:13:01 PM  
seriously how has rumsfeld actually managed to keep his job ?
 
2004-12-16 09:13:47 PM  
'You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have.'

Or, you know, you don't go to war at all. And who would want that?
 
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