TheAnvil: I wanna see some black guys dress up in whiteface, straight hair, LL Bean clothes.

They did. It was a movie called White Chicks.

Ditto:

So, white people can't dance because they didn't have access to dances when they were younger?

No, because while their brain was developing rhythm, they were exposed to nothing but Perry Como and Air Supply.

in high school it was wierd because every white person in my high school was the he baggy pants gold chains, cap on backwards wearing ebonics speaking wannabe gang member "wigger" persona, and every single black person was the dockers and sweater, j crew, ll bean bryant gumble carlton banks "oreo" persona

but blacks actually have a reason to fear whites.

According to the FBI crime statistics (which you conveniently keep ignoring), just the opposite is true. And has been, for a long time.

/but any white who goes to a predominantly black school already knows it

Gun Control - Michael Moore is fat.

Intelligent Design - Liberal educators r teh gay.

Iraq-mire - Kofi and Clinton made it come to this.

Race - They can say it, I can't - they are bigger racists.

Dinner is served - Liberals want to tell you what to do.

But remember, majorhopper, only -you- are allowed to make similarly assinine and sweeping straw-man generalizations and attacks on your 'opponents' in this thread, because you are enlightened and rational, and these knuckle-dragging, mouthbreathing, closet racists aren't quite as human as you.

How do you make it through each day bearing the weight of such inane, glaring, hypocritical stupidity?

Must be hard.

Here's a puzzler:

On one side, generations back, ONE great-great-great-great grandfather was born into a slaveholding family, but they lost the plantation during the Civil War. No one else in the family was ever rich enough to have had slaves, and he was never old enough to actively participate. So that makes me 1/32 slaveholder stock.

But my Father moved here from Europe when he was 21, so NO slaveholding there.
So I am cleanly 31/32 NON slaveholder stock.

In what way, am I as a white man, culpable?

Put another way. I grew up in a majority black school. Many of my friends took the stance that ' Man, I couln't even tell you the name of anyone in my family who was a slave. Why would I care?'

Jimmy Crackcorn: You stated "Blacks are poor drivers"


BULLshiat friend.

I stated that the younger a person is when they learn to drive, the better a driver they will be, even later on. I see blacks walking, and whites driving at the age of 16, I am going to give humanity the benefit of the doubt.

I like that idea alot better than "black people can't drive for shiat."

Everybody needs to take a deep breath and go out and rent a copy of Bamboozled, the Spike Lee film from 2000. Yes, it's a comedy. However, it's grounded in fact. Spike pulled a lot of punches and made this movie a lot softer than he could have.

Lots of great vintage footage, vintage Black memorabilia and of course Spike's trademark Message, but (I emphasize) toned down.


It will be one of the best movies you have ever seen.

"So I am cleanly 31/32 NON slaveholder stock."

I have about the same proportions (a European dad), and I think this is the calculus:

You bear 0% personal culpability.

However, your dad (or at least you) are a US citizen and nations have decades or centuries old obligations due to bad things they've done. Ask young Germans.

So when you pick a place to live (or are born into it), you inherit some old obligations. I think that's the best argument for affirmative action.

webovation:

everyone in the house who is a slave, was a slave or who's parents were slaves raise you hands...... yeah thought so


Institutional prejudice against blacks did not end with slavery. In many ways, it only started in 1864, formally ended in the late '60s.

And just to answer your questions: most of my grandparent's family were slaves. No I'm not black.

dvstate: I want a W.E.T. channel. Its only fair.


There is one. It's called NBC.

Read the article.

It wasn't just blackface.

He wore a prison outfit, his costume was a prisoner, which as a judge is ironic. Wearing Blackface and and Afro wig on top of your orange jumpsuit and handcuffs. Who here is defending that? Anyone?

Are their black racists? As someone who worked in PG County Maryland doing home visits on youth on probation and has been called a cracka-assed-honkey-biatch, yes. And that persons opinion is as important in american life as Cletus the slack jawed yokel.

Are blacks in a position of power held to the same standards as Whites? Yes. Don't tell me no one criticizes Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson when they leave the farm and attack white america, because I have actually listened to talk radio. Don't tell me Farakan wasn't demonized as much as David Duke.

Ignorant poor people, be they black or white, are going to be ignorant poor people. We should expect more from Judges, that is why we pay them.

Picture Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas doing the same thing, with a whiteface and a mullet. Picture any black in a position of power, if you can think of any, in a position of power dressing up as a prisoner, in handcuffs, with blackface and a mullet wig, and tell me we wouldn't be having this flamewar.

Yeah, what an idiot.

If he really wanted to make a relevant statement, he'd have shown up in thug wear with a white girl.

/doesnt feel sorry for black men
//pulling more white ass then white men.

Lusipher
"Nothing in there about anti-black or anti-white stereotypes. It says ANY racial stereotypes. So lets start upholding that. There is now legal precedent that you can use to take someone who calls you whitey to court. "

No there isn't. There is a precedent that if a JUDGE calls someone "whitey" he may be reprimanded/censured. Once again, Judges are required to follow a Code of Judicial Conduct.

sorry for the repetition, but here ya go:
"Public confidence in the judiciary is eroded by irresponsible or improper conduct by judges. A judge must avoid all impropriety and appearance of impropriety. A judge must expect to be the subject of constant public scrutiny. A judge must therefore accept restrictions on the judge's conduct that might be viewed as burdensome by the ordinary citizen and should do so freely and willingly."

Because every black person in prison is innocent

Majorhopper
Interesting that you should say that, because I used to wonder why that seemed to be true. Why can this girl not drive? Is there some poor-driving gene in the black pool? That's just stupid though, and I knew it.

I wondered about it alot, until I was driving past Wheeler High School in Marietta GA one day, and noticed all of the white kids pulling out of the parking lot in nice cars, while all of the black kids were walking.


Nope. You were clearly agreeing with an assesment that black people can't drive, but found a socio-economic cause for it rather than a genetic one.

You specifically noted that white kids had 'nice' cars at an age when black kids had no cars at all, and that therefore black kids did not learn to drive at the most advatageous time in their lives. By distinguishing between white and black kids you were clearly distinguishing between the two races.

You said it. I simply commented on it.

And my point is not that you are racist, but that ANY system that makes an objective assesment of a situation dismissable because it deals with race, is counter-productive.

"That was just instinct. Kind of like running from the cops." -- Virginia's Marquis Weeks, on his 100-yard kickoff return for a touchdown against North Carolina on Sept. 11.--

/not helping the cause

"yet movies that have black actors protraying white people to get into schools and whatnot aren't somehow as duplicitous?"

Movies are entertainment, you are not supposed to take anyone involved with them seriously.

you inherit some old obligations

Yes, but that obligation should be to fight reoccurrences of the "wicked old ways", not to institute ridiculous crap like affirmative action.

/not that I don't take advantage of it when I can
//me? hypocrite?

Hilarious custume for a judge. The state has no right for him to be punished for what his halloween coistume was. Not only does it have no right, but it is wrong to do so. It is not illegal to racially offend. The day it does will be a sad day indeed.

Again:


The guy with the whip feels morally justified in his racist hatred because the slave is but a mud people, put here for the use of God's Chosen White People.

The guy being whipped feels morally justified in his hatred of the whipper because he has tied him to a tree and is whipping him.

Only one of these positions has been proven to be factual.

Everything the black man has endured in this country's history was based on LIES.

Everything the black man hates the white man for, is based on historical fact.

I hate when I'm late to a flame war, and unfortunately I don't have the five hours it would require to read all comments. Could someone provide a brief summary of the discussion above...say in 100 words or less.

"Yes, but that obligation should be to fight reoccurrences of the "wicked old ways", not to institute ridiculous crap like affirmative action."

Listen, if everyone even agreed on the 'obligations' part, we might have been able to do something sweeping and one-time. Instead we leave it up to individual institutions, which is a half-assed and acrimony-inspiring answer at best.

And here comes the parade of ignorant, racist whiners. "PC! PC! I should be able to make fun of the darkies if they can make fun of me! It's NOT FAIR!"

Either get over it, or get over thinking you are clever for pointing it out. You're not. Everybody is aware that black people enjoy more freedom in mocking white people than the other way around. Intelligent, decent people are likewise aware that there are some damn good reasons for that - reasons which are quite complex and not easily reduced to a comparison of a bad movie and a stupid judge. Many of you will never accept that; many of you will bleat and squeal about how because YOU didn't personally enslave anybody, nobody should still be suffering from the consequences of that institution, and you should be able to call them n****** if they can call you a cracker and so on. Do you know how pathetic and stupid you sound with that nonsense that you imagine passes for rational thought?

Are you really that jealous? Or that offended? Does it make you look at your children and feel sadness and fear for their futures, wondering if they'll be free to get through life without a Wayans brother somehow cheapening their proud white heritage?

The difference, you morans, is the difference between a guy who makes a joke about your mother, and a guy who makes a joke about your mother while holding a gun to her head.

Bleating about how the gun isn't really there will not make it go away. Whining about how your mother should do something about the gun, take control of her own destiny, will not make the bullet any less deadly.
And pointing out that your mother is allowed to play with toy guns herself does not make her murder by gunshot fair and okay.

White Chicks sucked. This judge sucked. The judge sucked a whole lot more, and in a way that is actually dangerous, because unlike a movie, a judge can send you to jail.

My little orange crate moment....cause I'm unhip:

It gets pretty stupid when whites complain about a lack of representation. They use a double standard in a sad ploy to maintain control over another race.
No action can ever undo the scourge of slavery in American history. People who try to equivocate on behalf of whites are truly ignorant.
This may be the reason few German comics dress up as Jewish stereotypes in their comic bits.
"White Girls" was just an awful idea for a movie. Period.
Personally, I'm a mutt (Latino-White), so I'm outside the racial superiority BS. People should just be a bit more thoughtful as to the consequences of their actions.

"Everything the black man has endured in this country's history was based on LIES.

Everything the black man hates the white man for, is based on historical fact."

Both those men are dead now, pick something that has a bearing on the lives of people who are around right now.

/not trying to deny history, but it's just that -- history.

MrGumboPants
Cincy sucks. But, I like rural Ohio far better. Ohio has more in common culturally with the Southern states... in what ways?

ferfer72
That is because S.C. was part of the Confederacy. Old grudges die hard perhaps?

yet blacks biatch about how they're not equal, then when something like this happens, they all start crying racism. Can't anyone take a joke?

Nice post, ciretose
But if you read through the thread, it looks like there ARE those defending this, rather vehemently. Maybe those have not RTFA.

Jimmy Crackcorn:

You specifically noted that white kids had 'nice' cars at an age when black kids had no cars at all, and that therefore black kids did not learn to drive at the most advatageous time in their lives. By distinguishing between white and black kids you were clearly distinguishing between the two races.


Where did I say ALL blacks?

I also mentioned recent immigrants, who have only yesterday come to know the privilege of driving something faster than a burro or a bicycle.

I should have also mentioned that whites who don't get a car until they are twenty five probably don't drive too well either.

The only reason I dare tread such volatile ground is that there are many in this thread who seem to actually believe that blacks lack something in their DNA which makes them drive poorly.

majorhopper

As a man of Irish descent, I should therefore be perfectly entitled to be racist toward those of British descent? In fact, I should be MORE entitled than the average black man as my people were subjugated for much longer, and quite nearly had our entire race exterminated.

perfectly logical to me. I grew up in New Orleans, and yes, racism is alive and well in the South. And no I am not black, but like Natalie Portman, I too know what it feels like to be black. But more annoying to hear than racist jokes are racial jokes from people from rural areas with no idea of what it is really like to live in the quasi metropolitan south. New Orleans is at the top of the list every year in murders per capita. It's us and Washington DC, every year, vying for the title. You think people are proud of that? You think people would want to make a positive change, right? No, not in New Orleans, just gimme another Po Boy and pass the Zapp's potato chips, dawlin.

majorhopper
Everything the black man has endured in this country's history was based on LIES.

Everything the black man hates the white man for, is based on historical fact.



This is exactly equal to saying:

white racism is unjustified and evil
black racism is justified and good

majorhopper is rapidly proving himself to be the biggest racism in the thread...

majorhopper

you did not say ALL blacks. Nor do I think you meant it to be a racist statement. I was illustrating that ANY statement made generally about a specific race can be seen to be a 'racist' comment. In fact, assuming the original poster to be reffering specifically to blacks, you attacked him for making a racist statement, while making a statement that was just as 'racist'.

My POINT here is that is should be perfectly acceptable to make observations about ANY group. Otherwise we create obstacles for ourselves. This does not mean baseless accusations are OK, they are not.

For instance:

Rich people tend to drive nicer cars = OK
Rish people tend to eat babies = NOT OK

majorhopper, I'm sure your example sounds just fine to you, unfortunately, since you start off with a lopsided notion without any real desire to look at things from a current, individualist's perspective, it's not going to go very far.

The premise of your argument, in it's basest sense, is relatively sound. However, it a) Doesn't address some rather obvious cultural discrepancies, b) It doesn't address the nature of racism on an individual level, and c) it -is- essentially unteachable for reasons a+b, and in the connotations that come with it (essentially that black racism against whites is justified).

To address a):
Why don't we head to some rather choice parts of downtown Atlanta at 2am (btw, I live off canton road and I can't quite see Edinburgh Castle from where I am, maybe you're in Woodstock?), and I'll drop you off, drive back home, and have a nice cell phone convo with you about how being your apprehension at being a caucasion fella in the middle of that part of down in the dead of night is totally unjustified, because that's a racist stereotype and based on lies! Or why don't we find a wannabe gang-banger who has absolutely no education, no social skills, and no professional ability who blames the white man on his ability to land a decent job? As you can see, these examples don't fit very well with your all-encompassing paradigm, which brings me to:

b) This is not altogether surprising, because as one of a more liberal bent, you have a tendency to put people in little groups, and define them by group identity. Black man. White man. etc. In this very limited worldview, a black fellow who engages in racist practice against an Irishman who's lived in the states for 3 years is perfectly explainable because hey, the black man endured some stuff (even if he didn't personally get a fire hose turned on him or a dog sicced in his direction), and dammit, that cracker over there is responsible. I don't see any black folks pissed off at the descendents of African tribal leaders that sold them into slavery a few hundred years ago. Is it because of some sort of undefined statute of limitations? Or maybe because.. they can't tell who it is, because, like you, they can't separate that into nice little colored groups. No, this particular sort of discrimination is especially awful because it's REALLY EASY to tell who's at fault for what, thanks to the handy sorting category of skin color. Look. Either discrimination on the basis of race or cultural identity is right, or it is wrong. Period. You either want people to be treated precisely equally, or you don't. It will be impossible for society to be truly color-blind as long as people keep making it a factor.. this includes regular ol' evil racists, and folks like you. Unfortunate, because I can tell you think you're doing some good here, but true.

When it comes to understanding racist bigotry, some folks'll.
Then there's the other dim an' dumbass half, Fark's yokel.

(biggest racism = biggest racist)

majorhopper

So you defend ignorance and hatred today because of the sins of our fathers? I think people are ready to move on, but it is the likes of people like you that permit racism to exist under the premise of hating racism. Ironic, huh? Think how much more righteous it would be for the one who was sinned against to be the first to forgive and to walk away from the past. The best revenge is living well. White people aren't racist as a society anymore. Actually, the extreme opposite is true. Sure you will always have racists of all colors, but great lengths have been made to reconcile the past. I'm a white boy from Alabama and I have very dear black friends who never even talk about color. It's ignorant. We are all God's people and the ones who have treated another race as a subordinate in the past have to answer to God for that - not man.

Cthiax, you basically made an argument saying that sitting around your house, smoking pot, collecting welfare, and blaiming it all on "the man" for keeping you down, is ok.

I'm assuming majorhopper already posted that it's wrong for a white judge to wear blackface, but perfectly OK for a black judge to wear whiteface?

Or is that the only racist remark he hasn't said yet?

Mmmmm...murde...I mean...Po Boys...

/More PoBoys+Zapps=Less Murder
//How it should be
///Laissez les bons temps rouler!

southgoingzax

Summary of thread:
I am not racist but...
Yes you are!
First ammendment rights!
Crack ho's who become mothers should be sterilized!
If blacks wouldn't commit crimes so much they wouldn't be in prison!
Whoa, dude, don't bogart that joint
Alien spaceships leaving due to the insanity of the thread
Black racism versus white racisim (I kind of lost the "logic" of this part.)
and in conclusion...

white people can't dance

Ditto

You basically just demonstrated your lack of an ability to think rationally, or understanding of common logical fallacies.

Let me see if I got the basic message of this thread:

Argument #1: It's those damn PC thugs who are the real racists in this country what with their high-fallutin' ways. Those liberal troublemakers are ruining this fine country, not three inbred rednecks who drag a man tied to their pickup truck for three miles. The black man was treated adequately before the ACLU stuck its nose in and ruined everything.

Argument #2: Since the white man's hatred for the black man was built on falsehoods, the white man should not hate the black man. However, since the the black man's hatred for the white man is based on historical fact, that makes any black man's hatred for a white man to be A-OK. If your a carribean just off the boat and you meet a Canadian tourist, its okay to hate him. After all, some people from his race did some terrible things to some people from your race. And then the healing will commence.

Jimmy Crackcorn:

As a man of Irish descent, I should therefore be perfectly entitled to be racist toward those of British descent? In fact, I should be MORE entitled than the average black man as my people were subjugated for much longer, and quite nearly had our entire race exterminated.


Jesus farking H. Christ on a popsicle stick, show me where I said anything about ANYONE being "perfectly entitled" to be a racist.

All racism is stupid, and counter-productive. ALL of it.

I am responding to the "How come Dave Chappelle can make jokes about whites but whites can't make jokes about blacks?" crowd.

I am trying to point out that there is a cultural fear by many blacks of whites, a fear rooted in historical fact, a fear not easily undone - and it certainly won't be undone by whites regressing into factually bankrupt sterotypes of black people.

And, after checking other threads of those who hold this racist attitude of black inferiority, I found that they come down on other issues as a consistent body:

Con/Lib
War/Anti-War
Evolution/Creationism
Moore/Coulter

Red/Blue seems more like Black and White.

Man that'll teach me to make longish posts whilst having 4 SSH sessions open. :(

majorhopper and early career Malcom X message:
white racism is bad
black racism is good

Martin Luther King Jr. message:
all racism is bad
judge not by color of skin, but content of character


Which message and messenger has a memorial and holiday named after him because of universal admiration and respect for him?