Omega Ohm-

And they have the same responsibility to make the world a better place for their children. "That involves putting an end to thiungs like racist hatred" on their side as well.

"They" are. See: Civil Rights, NAACP, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X

You try again.

slygal


Judges sign on to this when they take the oath. It's a totally different set of standards than what binds ordinary citizens, or even politicians.


Even politicians? I thought they were held to much lower standards, if any.

ciretose

Honestly, and I don't mean this as a cop out, it's the truth, I think depends on the joke.


ok then see

2004-12-14 11:00:39 AM JabbaTheButt
"
I saw a racist t-shirt once, it said:

"If we'd have known they were this much trouble, we'd have
picked our own damn cotton"
"

would that joke warrant the suspension of a judge if he laughed at it?

Wow, Steve French, you get your panties in a bind for being called "cracker"? That makes one of you. Trying to equate that word with the "n"-word is just hyperbole. Why do you think the Fark filter doesn't give a rats ass about "cracker"? Because the target of that epithet doesn't give it the power that the "n"-word holds. Your righteous indignation is transparent. Reverse discrimination? Please.

::Steve French ::"I give back what I get"

go on tv and make the statment "those ni66ers called me cracker!"

see the reaction you get.

/can we call this one?

This thread is useless without pics.

EdudBor

I think that there would be less people willing to go out of their way to make a big issue out of it, since black people are understandably more sensitive to potential indications of racism than white people are. And less of a public outcry means less chance that the people who can suspend this guy would ever hear about it or be any sort of public pressure to look at the situation.

Though I also think a white guy doing this would be a whole lot more of a dick than a black guy who did it, just because the stereotype of black people being criminals is a lot more damaging than the non-existant stereotype of white people being criminals.

There was a movie starring Kiefer Sutherland and Dennis Hopper which contains a scene where Hopper convinces Keifer to put black creek mud all over his face (because of poison ivy?). Then he tells him to raise his right hand and sing Mammy.

I was trying to find a vidcap of that to go along with bandy's pic, but found this instead:

NSFW?

/now, to clean the coffee off of my monitor and wall.

okay okay
my college has been showing white chicks on the video network and i've caught 5 mintues here and there. the movie isn't about 2 black people passing as white, it's about them passing as 2 people who are white. there's a difference. it's not the same as this. it's closer to jamie kennedy in malibu's most wanted acting like he's from the hood than it is to people dressing up in black face to pretend to be black. now, the movie IS offensive to the general movie-going public because it is so terrible, but that's a different story.

Which tv show is more representative of the black family:



COPS
Court TV


//Flame away!

Omega


"Get a dictionary and think really really hard. You can do it, I have faith in you."


Hmm... a dictionary?? Which word do you imagine someone might not understand?

It's just a moronic statement. Guess I'm all set.

Why do you think the Fark filter doesn't give a rats ass about "cracker"?

Ummm, doesn't that elevate the status of the Fark filter a little much?

I mean, for crying out loud, it filters out "Ferrst Poest."

"They" are. See: Civil Rights, NAACP, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X

Wait a second. So all this time the message of the civil rights movement, the NAACP, and two prominent dead guys was "Black people should be nice to White people"? Dang. I never should have slept through all those history lectures.

The 'fark filter' is irrelevant.
'Power' is irrelevant.
What you think is...well, clearly 'thinking' is beyond your limited capacity.

You either call people names, put them in categories according to their ethnicity and perpetuate stereotypes...

Or, you don't.
That is all. Simple, eh?
Cash in on a clue, morans.

Omega Ohm

shipud --
"Which rights were violated?"


The one to act like an ass while not on the job.



As slygal said, judges don't exactly have that right. Not in this particular manner, anyhow.

I love how some people on this thread have no concept of context - as if everything anyone says or does exists in some vacuum, where "cracker" is just as offensive as the n-word. Where if there's a "Black Entertainment Television" there should be a "White Entertainment Television", etc.

People - everything you say and do has a context and a history to take into consideration. If you think "cracker" is just as offensive as the n-word, then go explain that to someone whose ancestors were whipped while being called the n-word. Go explain that to someone who has been called the n-word by a cop or other supposed authority figure. Gee, have you had the same such experiences with the word "cracker"?

Bottom line: The judge was a douchebag for not thinking this might actually offend someone. He, like everyone, has the right to do and say as he pleases, but that involves paying the consequence for a dumb decision. It's not an infringement on his free speech.

I love how some of you actually defend this judge's bonehead move just to air the grievance that white people are somehow the victims of reverse racism. Speaks volumes.

For example, a non-race specific joke would be fine like

A small group of (Any group will do, I'll pick West Virginian's) came to New York as part of a tour group. During the tour their guide took them to the top of the empire state building. The guide said "There is an interesting effect of the wind currents at one point at the top of this building, watch."

To the shock of the West Virginians, the Tour Guide jumped off the side of the building, as they ran to the edge they saw him fall about 10 stories before slowing down, and then raising back up to the roof and landing on his feet right behind them on a soft mattress laid out just for that purpose.

"See" He said, "The winds blow you right back up, watch again" And again he jumped off, went do twenty stories before being blown back to the top, this time he said "Would anyone else like to try." Several from the group raised there hands, but after a while tour guide managed to cajole the whole group into going together. The tour guide led them to the edge, where they all lept off at once, going down 20 stories, then 30, then finally all the way to their death.

The tour guide watched as the group fell, and a janitor cleaning nearby walked over to him. The Janitor said 'Damn Superman, you sure do hate West Virginians."

rimshot.

In otherwords, preconcieved beliefs weren't what made this joke funny. It was the joke itself. Some racist jokes are only funny if you actually believe the issue it's making fun of. In this case, with the blackface, we aren't talking about a reaction to a joke, we are talking about a thought out process, where he decided to wear blackface, bought the material to do so, and then did it. Premeditated if you will. Very different.

Ever see the 1970 movie WATERMELON MAN?

Black comedian Godfrey Cambridge plays a white(!!!) bigot who's transformed into a black man. I guess you could call it a dark comedy...

Ever wonder why stereotypes exist?

Get behind an asian driver on the freeway.

Go into a convenience store or a taxicab and inhale.

Take a brief driving tour through a trailer park.

Bye...

EdudBor: WOuldn't it be easier to have one set of rules that all races follow?

Sure, and it's definitely heading towards that, but for the moment it's completely understandable for black people to be far more offended by racist terms than white people.

I'll agree that it would be better if people didn't use the term "cracker". Apart from Chef in South Park, cause that's just funny. But then everything Chef says is funny.

ciretose

as much as I would love to stay and debate this with someone who has a seemingly consistent view of the situation for once, finals are calling me and I must answer the phone. We may meet again one day and if so I'll be ready... with a whole lot of racist jokes for you to approve or disaprove... then perhaps I'll find a room full of judges and see how well you were at picking out the funny ones.

DrunkenBuzzsaw-

I'm glad to hear that you are teaching your children to be good people. We could use more parents like you.

I'm not trying to say that you should "put up with" being being called "cracker" any more that you should put up with being called "asshole". But I the arguments I see from Omega Ohm, and a bunch of others around here comparing it to calling a black man "n166er" are just plain stupid. They are not the same. They carry completely different connotations, and one is clearly much, much more offensive and destructive than the other.

Is there "reverse" racism against white people? Sure. Do some people exploit things like affirmative action? Sure. But the scale is not balanced on this issue, and some people like to around here like to compare apples and oranges a little too vehemently for my comfort level. I suspect a sense of entitlement has something to do with it.

NecKromancer

As to your joke shirt. (which was kind of funny)

If a judge wore that shirt, yes. If he laughed at it in open court. Yes. If he saw on the street, and snickered, no. If forwarded it in an e-mail with no other purpose then to tell the joke and no other explaination...maybe.

shipud --
"As slygal said, judges don't exactly have that right. Not in this particular manner, anyhow."


Officially, they disagree.

But logically, this could very well fall under freedom of speech rights and you can't sign those away.

"Just because something is a certain way - doesn't mean it *should* be a certain way. If we went to 1940 and did the same thing, we'd get very different results."

true,and in 1940 blacks were being treated how? someone using the word ni66er then was acceptable because whites were still being oppresive asshats. cracker is aceptable now becasue why?

you tell me...

re: 'it be easier to have one set of rules that all races follow?'

Ya think? Especially since there aren't any 'races' - only the human one.

re 'I suspect a sense of entitlement'

Simple victim-identity. Yawn.

21-7-b --
"were a judge to streak at a sports event, and were a factory worker to streak at a sports event; should the employers of those people consider the two employees in the same way?"


Depends, is indecent exposure a crime in the state this is being committed? If not, then yes, they should be looked at the same way.

ogre27620-

My response was directed at the presupposition that a white person has to somehow bear name calling because of his ancestors...

I never said you had to "bear" anything. Just don't compare being called "cracker" to calling someone a "n166er". They are not even close to being the same.

Steve French:

re: "cracker" has no connotations of oppression'

So what? That makes it okay? I don't 'oppress' anyone, I have no power over anyone. Who did what to whom 2 hundred years ago has nothing to do with it.
I hear blacks calling white people names all the time, like it's funny or something - are whites just supposed to laugh about being stereotyped as an inbred retard because of what SOME of our ancestors did?
This imbecilic behavior just perpetuates the stereotype.

I give back what I get.
Call me names? Go fark yourself.

First of all, the word Cracker is used here in Atlanta by blacks to refer to ANYONE in what is seen as an oppressor. I have specifically heard it used in reference to black police officers. The term is a derogatory one used against people seen as oppressors of blacks and their culture, not as a racial label. That is what the word Honky is for.

Two hundred years ago? Try four hundred plus. Or better yet, let us now remember the 60's, when blacks had dogs sicced on them and their leaders gunned down like deer, all for wanting to vote.

How about the voting lists in Florida, where blacks were purged almost exclusively. In 2000, they even used a method whereby black sounding names of felons from TX were used to purge the Florida voter rolls. This is not debatable, this is a fact. Florida officials had to give up on at least part of the list before the 2004 election when it was demonstrated how slanted the list was. It was supposedly a list of all the thousands of felons in FL, but included only 3 Latinos.

Racism is not something you are allowed to simply file under "History, Ancient" - it is alive and very real to a great many people of color who suffer from it every day.

Your comment about hearing blacks calling whites names "all the time" makes me wonder where the hell you hang out, because you sound like the kind of guy who only interacts with blacks around a bonfire in the dead of a Mississippi night.

FYI: we all are from Africa.

This country is full of oversensitive jackasses. Unless this judge was a real serious dumbass, he was only joking. It may have been in poor taste by some standards, but all you PC prophets have blown this way, way out of proportion.

Suppose the guy dressed up like a white prisoner, and all the judges got offended because he was an imprisoned judge. If he puts on a blonde wig, does a white blonde prostitute have a complaint?

Lighten up people.

whatever happened to having a 'sense of humor'?


this political correctness syndrome sucks the life out of ALL races.

mmmm, crackers

"white people, are in general, less offended by racial remarks; and because our society as a whole doesn't take as much offense to someone insulting a white guy than it does to a black guy."

exactally, because white people cant come up with one garsh dung reason to be offended.

just as a side note, could you imagine a WHITE guy doing the comedy on the "chapelle show"

EdudBor:

I don't agree with the argument; when someone says attractive and successful African-American everyone thinks 'black' and when someone says 'cracker' everything thinks white.

Except that the negative connotations of the word Cracker were actually TRUE. They did actually crack whips on people because they believed they came from the mud and were less intelligent - which is NOT true.

And yes, that makes ALL the difference in the world.

21-7-b --
"i was ready for your little dodge."

It wasn't a dodge, it's the proper context for the discussion.

"what if both the factory worker and the judge wander about the local town shouting, running like a madman, every weekend. they are not committing an offense. they are drawing attention to themselves in an embarrassing way."

If it's not illegal, it's their consitutional right.


"should the judge's employer and the factory worker's employer view the behavior in the same way. and before you try to dodge that one. should the time at which the judge's behavior is seen to effect his ability to do his job not occur before that of the factory worker (who, to cover your next dodge, works in a safe environment)?"

Exercising your rights of freedoms has no bearing on the professionaly competency to do your job. The judge and factory both have a work history from which both competency conclusions can be drawn.

The judge is slightly different in that he is professionally working in the arena of law and must hold a higher standard of himself in that particular department only, meaning past convictions are applicable to the review of his qualifications.

mattybdogeater

I could be wrong about this, but I thought that most of Chappelle's Show's writers were white.

All you whining whiteys should shut the fark up and stop defending this guy and/or biatching about YOUR civil rights.

No matter how bad you have it, pretty much every minority in any country has it MUCH, MUCH worse than you.

YOU are not the ones discriminated against when you go for job interviews, when you pass people in the street, and when you are arrested or go to court.

This is partly because of negative stereotypes that people like this judge seem to get a kick out of perpetuating.

I bet his record on sentencing white people and black people for similar crimes would make very interesting reading.

Pet Me

whatever happened to having a 'sense of humor'?


this political correctness syndrome sucks the life out of ALL races.

I agree. Political correctness can get ridiculous. But then again, since we're talking about a judge, I can see how this could be viewed as more scary than funny.

The judge was just plain stupid for wearing this costume to the party. Of course it is offensive to many people and it does help to perpetuate racial stereotypes. Those of you trying to argue cracker and the "n" word as being equally offensive are just wrong.

"I could be wrong about this, but I thought that most of Chappelle's Show's writers were white."

That may be true but the presenter of the comedy is black, which in turn is making it ok to most people, if a white guy were the host? by the way chappelle dresses up like a white guy news reporter....

DO YOU WANT KARATE?!

Mike_71
11:22:26 AM Mike_71
"I DO get mad when people INTENTIONALLY warp the facts to suit their own agenda, then make false assumptions based on them, and present ANOTHER set of what they call "facts", which AREN'T, and try to defend their beliefs with them."

Does that mean that you have given up worshipping in God?

Sometimes I wish the FARK filter would change "cracker" to "attractive and successful Caucasian-American." But then I figure that it would end up just making me feel even more pathetic and self-pitying than usual, since I am neither attractive nor successful.

Al2001 is soo right, Italians, Irish, Indian, Japanese, Germans, Catholics, Jews et al have never been discriminated against.
Why don't you shut your Limey trap.

This thread needs more humor...

Jim: What did you just call me?
Huck Griffin: I thought that was your name.
Jim: That is our word. You have no right to use it.
Huck Griffin: Geez, I'm sorry. I didn't know.
[pause]
Huck Griffin: So, could you pass me the oar, 'n-word Jim'?