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(Artbell.com)   Man offers $250,000 if you can prove evolution.   (drdino.com) divider line 414
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2002-03-01 12:47:20 AM
Hmm... I wonder how much he'd give me to prove that you can light farts on fire?
 
2002-03-01 12:48:27 AM
let me guess.. Jerry Falwell?
 
2002-03-01 12:49:14 AM
You can't really "prove" evolution. You can't "prove" anything that happened so long ago. You can have a lot of evidence pointing towards something, but unless you have a time machine, you'll never know for sure.

Either way, this thread is going to be a good flamewar.
 
2002-03-01 12:50:39 AM
There is no spoon.
 
2002-03-01 12:51:01 AM
There SERIOUSLY needs to be a "flamebait" tag.
 
2002-03-01 12:51:21 AM
He should have made it for $2,500,000,001, to beat out the guy who is offering $2,500,000,000 for it.
... i think.

"Pancakes and women. The guy's got it made." ~Fox Mulder
 
2002-03-01 12:51:55 AM
I offer all the money in the world for proof of creationism.
 
2002-03-01 12:52:25 AM
Evolution was a bad movie. Why would you want to prove a movie?
 
2002-03-01 12:52:26 AM
 
2002-03-01 12:53:20 AM
And I'll offer the same to disprove evolution.
 
2002-03-01 12:53:48 AM
Almost forgot... *grabs popcorn*
 
2002-03-01 12:54:26 AM
Old news...this quack has already been exposed:
http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/challenge2.html#panel
and
http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/critics.html
 
2002-03-01 12:54:33 AM
Seriously though, once humans learn the secret of the Perpetua Universe most universal secrets will begin to make sense.
 
2002-03-01 12:54:39 AM
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution...is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence.

How is that even possible to do?
 
2002-03-01 12:54:41 AM
I will start this with, "A Fool and his money are soon parted."
 
2002-03-01 12:54:46 AM
Exick, you just made his point, that evolution is a faith as much as creationism is
 
2002-03-01 12:55:02 AM
EXACTLY Exick.... I'll add to that.
 
2002-03-01 12:55:04 AM
What an interesting proposition that is.

Someone should counter with an offer of 250k to whomever can prove that:

1. God exists and is all-powerful.

and

2. God created everything.

Anyway, don't public schools acknowledge that there are different theories about the origin of life, the universe, and everything?
 
2002-03-01 12:55:43 AM
Ugh, did you know they made an evolution TV show on Fox Kids?
 
2002-03-01 12:55:46 AM
It's great that his proposition has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
 
2002-03-01 12:56:53 AM
Someone is clearly unclear on the concept of what a 'theory' is.
 
2002-03-01 12:58:00 AM
Oh hell,
I'll give $10 if someone can prove Creationists deserve to live on the same planet as rational human beings.
 
2002-03-01 12:58:12 AM
Here's the theory of Quantum Evolution for anyone interested.
 
2002-03-01 12:59:23 AM
No, Off_Topic_Post, Exick just illustrated the built-in failsafe of Hovind's challenge; it's worded in such a way that it's impossible to meet, because it asks for someone to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever (to judges of HIS choosing!) that evolution is the ONLY possible way to explain it. I could say that it's possible that super intelligent talking spiders made everything in the Universe, and thus dismiss any evidence provided for evolution by saying that it's not the ONLY possible explanation. It's fluff and a trap for the unwary, and a tried and true Creationut tactic; try to discredit a rival explanation to make your own wacked explanation seem 'just as possible'.
 
2002-03-01 12:59:34 AM
This fruit cake also runs dinosaur adventure land.
Check it out :http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/

The video is the best - there's
even a fossil area where you can handle rare fossils that prove man and dinosaurs coexisted

Check this link out for an article on how dinosaurs are still alive today (from the same web site) http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=15
,
 
2002-03-01 12:59:46 AM
Nice tag, Quick1 ;)
 
2002-03-01 01:00:01 AM
Yeah, great, you little farktwit. Except for the fact that Darwin knew a hell of a lot more science than Christ, your "theory" is great. (Speaking to writer or article)

Yeah, I'd like to prove that the Big Bang happened, but you'd claim that only seeing is believing, wouldn't you? WOULDN'T YOU?!?
 
SGF
2002-03-01 01:00:06 AM
I can, but it's a work in progress.
 
2002-03-01 01:00:19 AM
Bring out the arm-chair-scientists! Let the show begin!
 
2002-03-01 01:00:39 AM
Religious women suck, but Scientific women swallow. Next topic.
 
2002-03-01 01:01:10 AM
Off_Topic_Post: The point that I was trying to make was that it's a theory. Much like creationism is a theory.
 
2002-03-01 01:01:17 AM
You wanna teach religon in schools? Fine! You wanna teach a religous point of view on creation? Fine! Just make sure you teach ALL of the world's religons, not just christianity. That means, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, and anything else you can think of. Otherwise you're saying "MY religon is better than YOURS" and having that government endorse that fact. And that, would be a CLEAR violation of ALL of our rights.
 
2002-03-01 01:02:19 AM
What a God damn psycho I feel the need to repent suddenly,
I think the corner church needs some more money, maybe they can afford to buy the priest a new Lincoln
 
2002-03-01 01:02:21 AM
Trowshep: Nice reference.
 
2002-03-01 01:02:23 AM
I'll give $250k to the first person that can explain the scientific meaning of the word "theory" to this man. He believes it's being taught as fact to kids, when it's really taught as a theory. Heck, my biology class didn't even focus on it much, it was simply a tool for learning the Scientific Method (where you learn what a THEORY is).
 
2002-03-01 01:03:00 AM
HORY FRUCK!
 
2002-03-01 01:03:19 AM
Religion = mental slavery
 
2002-03-01 01:03:22 AM
I say, 250 grand to anyone who can bring up something that hasn't already been said 50 times on fark alone.
 
2002-03-01 01:04:05 AM
First off this after reading through the article again this guy is coming from a faulty point by stating that...

1. The universe is highly ordered.
The universe is not a highly ordered place, it is infact a very chaotic and disordered place on both a macroscopic and microscopic level.

3. Man appears to be the most advanced life form on Earth.
By what criteria does he say that man is the most advanced life form on Earth? Is it out ability to adapt to harsh enviroments or to create our own niche in an enviroment... well I would argue that many other life forms such as ants and archebacteria are much better at this than we are. Or is he claiming that our ability to think and reason makes us more advanced... this also is a shaky statement as we do not fully understand what makes an entity capable of throught and reason, and it is possible that there are mammals on Earth that are smarter than ourselves (Dolphins and Orca as an example). I would say the only thing that we are better at than any other life form is making tools... and I really do not see this as defining us as more advanced as a life form... we just have this one knack.

but any how I need to go... I may be back to go more in depth in to the falacies of this person's proposal.
 
2002-03-01 01:04:06 AM
This is such an old scam. If you had a 15 billion year long videotape of everything that happened in the universe and it showed every event, he could still say 'no' because the judging is based solely on his opinion, which will never be changed.
 
2002-03-01 01:04:33 AM
Is the evolution that he wants proven actually being taught in schools? In OAC bio my teacher just said, we aren't going to cover anything on the origin of life, now here's some microevolution.
 
2002-03-01 01:07:03 AM
I wonder if they realize why evolution is taught rather than creationism. Evolution has the most concrete evidence in it's favor. What does creationism have? Diddly poo (hurray for Mora). Faith is not evidence. Of all the theories out there, evolution, according to the evidence, is the most likely to be correct.

As far as proving it, humans have not and will not be able to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt. Take gravity for instance. We know something pulls us down; how do we know the law of gravity is completely correct though, beyond a shadow of a doubt? We don't/won't. Sure someone could prove evolution to extent that gravity has been proven one day. Course to the guy sponsoring the money, reasonable doubt could mean no doubt whatsoever. It's a no-win situation regardless how you view it.
 
2002-03-01 01:07:36 AM
Exick: Creationism isn't a theory in the traditional scientific sense of the word 'theory' because creationism is not able to be disproven through the scientific method. I mean, at least Darwin's evolution you can find some bones or something. Creationism is more of an idea. Like if I told you that five minutes ago the world did not exist and our minds were programmed with their current memories. You can't subject that to the scientific method because it cannot be disproven.
 
2002-03-01 01:08:20 AM
You will never prove this guy (or anyone like him) wrong. Though something be refuted a 100 times if it is still needed it will be found true again and again by that great proof of strength which the Bible speaks of.
 
2002-03-01 01:09:05 AM
There's a big argument that creationism should be taught in schools as well as evolution. I'm not saying that I think God doesn't exist, but don't they teach creationism in church? It seems to me that creationism is religious, so it should be taught in church, and evolution is scientific, so it should be taught in school. I say that as soon as churches start teaching evolution as well, then schools can teach creationism.
 
2002-03-01 01:09:37 AM
The "theory" of evolution is very solid. Creationism is NOT a theory. It is a MYTH to explain the origins of man. Huge difference between the type of things these two are.
 
2002-03-01 01:10:26 AM
Exick, that's the point he's trying to make, it's a theory, and it shouldn't be taught as fact, hell I went to a private catholic school and evolution was taught as fact, this caused a debate between one of the more ignorant students and the teacher. I believe in evolution, but I acknowledge the fact that its a belief based on limited information, that is essentially the point of the first half of the article, then he loses credibility by stating that creationism is the only option.
 
2002-03-01 01:10:39 AM
Proof that God Doesn't Exist:

God is either necessarily existant (nothing can exist without him so he has to exist), contingently existant (depends on something/someone else to exist - like humans), or God's existance is impossible.

God is not contingently existant because by the definition of God, he isn't dependant on anything/anyone else. He's the all powerful, ominipotent God.

If his existance is necessary, then what happens if he wants to commit suicide? If he does, than he isn't necessarily existant. Therefore, he can't possibly commit suicide. But he's omnipotent (i.e. all-powerful) by the definition of "God", so by not being able to commit suicide, he either does not necessarily exist, or is not omnipotent. In either case, this contradicts his necessary existance because he can't be necessarily existant but not omnipotent.

So if he's not necessarily existant or contingently existant, then his existance must be impossible.

QED

(I just wrote a philosophy paper on this.)
 
2002-03-01 01:11:02 AM
I'll give a wooden nickel to anyone who puts a farking bullet in this guys farking face. Hell, this guys life isn't even worth a wooden nickel. In fact, money is just a theory. I'll give anyone 250K if anyone can prove in the Canadian Dollar actually exists.
 
2002-03-01 01:11:37 AM
RageCage: Cool idea! When churchs start holding free chemistry and biology etc courses I'll be there every Sunday! I paid thousands to study it in school!
 
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