Then: Homosexuality is sick, and a disease
Now: You can't choose it, you're born with it; it's not sick, it's just different

Now: Pedophilia is sick, and a disease
Future: ???

Jackson, 46, has pleaded not guilty to charges of child molestation, conspiracy and giving alcohol to his accuser, a cancer-stricken boy who lived for a time at the ranch.

So not only did Jacko molest a kid, but he molested a kid with CANCER? Man, this guy is one sick evil fark. Put him in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison NOW.

Is there something illegal about looking at porn magazines?

No, but there is something illegal about allowing an underage person to look at said porn magazines with you.

2004-12-12 07:01:43 AM scrowdid

Then: Homosexuality is sick, and a disease
Now: You can't choose it, you're born with it; it's not sick, it's just different

Now: Pedophilia is sick, and a disease
Future: ???

Paedophilia is sick and a disease. Homosexuality is practiced between consenting adults. Paedophilia is not.

/bit worried you couldn't see that for yourself

scrowdid:

Then: Homosexuality is sick, and a disease
Now: You can't choose it, you're born with it; it's not sick, it's just different

Now: Pedophilia is sick, and a disease
Future: ???

stiff_upper_lip:

Paedophilia is sick and a disease. Homosexuality is practiced between consenting adults. Paedophilia is not.

I think you are missing the point stiff_upper_lip. I think scrowdid is saying that what if one is born with the predisposition?

Knob_Gobbler: What do you think MJ's cock looks like?

Back in 1993 it was said in reports that Jordy Chandler was able to "identify markings" on Wacko Jacko's penis; and Wacko Jacko was photographed to confirm the markings were as the boy said. Think about it - if you were applying a (presumably quite harsh) bleaching agent to your skin, how willing would you be to use it on sensitive areas...?

Then: Homosexuality is sick, and a disease
Now: You can't choose it, you're born with it; it's not sick, it's just different

Now: Pedophilia is sick, and a disease
Future: ???

ok disclaimer, i'm answering your question not promoting this

Future (maybe) = allowable only in the case of consenting parents and child, ( child independantly interviewed, i.e. emancipation). The child then being considered independant (reduction of ageist reliance on the age 18)

//anyone know if it's still child porn if the child is emancipated? (not for my own purchase you sickos)

Xcanadian: I think scrowdid is saying that what if one is born with the predisposition?

What if someone is born with a predisposition to be violent? Does society just let them get on with it with no punishment?

Who is harmed by a consenting gay relationship? No-one.
Who is harmed by a (consent not possible) pedophilic relationship...?

Since when is Boy's Life considered a porno mag?

From what I understand, it is not just fingerprints that were found, but genetic material, thus explaining why they took a DNA sample from him last week.

I bet the kid's parents pupils just literaly turned into dollar signs, like you see in cartoons.

2004-12-12 07:44:29 AM Xcanadian

I think you are missing the point stiff_upper_lip. I think scrowdid is saying that what if one is born with the predisposition?

One learns to control it? Or volunteers for emasculation?

Seriously, I'm surprised such a comparison even came about. I saw the op's point as being the changing morals of society over time. I'm merely trying to point out that I can't (I hope) ever see a situation where non-consensual sex is accepted by society.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy is one thing. Child-Rapists Eye for the Pre-School something else entirely.

Michael Jackson has porn?

To you guys discussing "the changing morals of society over time" with regards to peadophilla...

What about little boy RealDolls ?

Oh yeah, I just went there.

Michael:

Great Janitor

Possible news story for early 2005:

Michael Jackson was found dead today from apparent suicide following the guilty verdict from his recent trial.

You know that will happen if he's found guilty.


We can only hope so. That would make my life!

xcanadian
I think you are missing the point stiff_upper_lip. I think scrowdid is saying that what if one is born with the predisposition?

Doesn't matter if someone's born that way or not. People are born with genetic dispositions toward being psychopaths and sociopaths, and we still don't let them run around killing people because they were born that way.

Remember, pray daily for the death of Michael Jackson!

So what's the difference between treatment and punishment then? I couldn't give a shiat about MJ but I hate hearing reactionary idiots on any subject they have no clue about.

Irregardless: I blame Bush.

/In Michael's case it may be lack of bush.

Nice! lmao

OK. Throw this freak in jail. I don't care what he looks like, but it's kinda obvious he's being overly friendly with kids. He's a sick, demented freak who needs to get plowed in the ass a few times by his new husband.

Not very good at cleaning up after himself is he?

He probably needed the kid to turn the pages while he used one hand to fap, and the other to hold his face on.

Was this the "porn mag" in question?

Common trick of child molesters is to get a porn magazine and "read" it with the child to get them pseudo-aroused and thinking about sex, and thus making them more "willing" participants in the "activities."

I studied this sort of stuff for awhile. Really, right now, few things will get Michael away from this without even a little bit of jail time, and one of those things is his celebrity.

If the freak would have learned to wear BOTH gloves, there wouldn't have been prints.

Also, with MJ's love of self-altering surgery, couldn't he just have his fingerprints removed??? Yeah, I know they grow back....

/Nothing like a good MJ molesting story to start your Sunday

not that anyone's going to get to my comment, but here goes. while my personal opinion is that MJ is a freak and is probably guilty of something here, so far this "evidence" isn't very stable. so his fingerprints and the kid's fingerprints were on a porno mag. in the exact same article they stated that the kid and his family had been there alone for a period of time and given free run of the place. unless it's kiddie porn, there's nothing illegal about MJ having a porno mag in his own farking home - both their fingerprints being on it isn't proof of anything, when it's just as possible that the snotty little kid went snooping when MJ wasn't home and found the mag himself. same for the wine bottles (and they didn't say anything about fingerprints on those). since when is owning a wine cellar evidence of child molestation?

stupid fanatical article, really.

MJ's still a freak, though.

I hope he does go to a "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison. Maybe getting pounded a few times will make him more interested in adult men than little boys.

one day there will be no jacko stories and there will be rejoicing.

why do we get on here and say the same thing everyday when some one posts the inevitable mj story

/fark it, dont care

Q: How many Michael Jacksons does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Just one, but it takes three pediatricians and an anesthesiologist to get it out again.

stiff_upper_lip: Homosexuality is practiced between consenting adults. Paedophilia is not.

glitter: Who is harmed by a consenting gay relationship? No-one.

Ah, but the point here is that pedophiles say that it IS consensual:
*********************************************************
WELCOME! The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was formed in 1978. It was inspired by the success of a campaign based in Boston's gay community to defend against a local witchhunt.

NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

# building understanding and support for such relationships;
# educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
# cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
# supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom.
*********************************************************

Note how they attach themselves to other gay groups. And in truth, I can't tell you that I've ever heard NAMBLA publicly repudiated by them.

scrowdid: Now: Pedophilia is sick, and a disease
Future: ???

Google around and see if you can find a copy of "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal", by Moser and Kleinplatz. Also google around for DSM-IV and pedophilia, there are plenty of comments flying from both sides, one side says that the little kiddies are capable of deciding who to have sex with, the other side is readying the pitchforks and torches. I suppose by DSM-VI you will be getting the thumbs-up to have sex with dead animals, as long as you don't feel guilt or remorse.

You can't have a MJ thread without this:


From left to right: the wax mask, Joker, an extra from the Planet of the Apes remake and a hag with a dead cat on it's head.

ok, i just had to post this at some point and this thread is begging for it.

google thriller lyrics, now read those lyrics but with the context of a child at michael jackson's home.

you're allowed artistic license like changing changing "There Ain't No Second Chance Against The Thing With Forty Eyes" to "One Eye".

now after reading it in that context, tell me... am i alone in thinking this was like a giant forewarning that we all missed because we got distracted by the dancesteps?

i rest my case your honour.

Q: Do you know what's the best thing to watch at a Michael Jackson concert?
A: Your kids.


Remember folks, Taiping isn't just a city in China....and try the veal.

Orosian: That's actually kind of funny. I Can't believe I never noticed that before. -Good find.

erewhon: Ah, but the point here is that pedophiles say that it IS consensual:

Well, DUH, ask a crackdealer on a playground if he's killing children and he'll probably insist he's providing a service to consenting invidividuals.

Children cannot give their consent, legally, morally and practically speaking. The whole idea of comparing rape or sexual coercion of children with consenting sex between adults is not only offensive it's ridiculous.

Michael Jackson's music has always sucked from day one. Loaded up with predigested beats and his slimy trick voice -- his career was 100% manufactured BS, bought into by the "I want my MTV" crowd.

/Why did Michael Jackson fall out of the tree? He was dead! Ahrr ahrr ahrr ahrr

Duuuude he had a swing away jukebox to a wine celler under his arcade. I WANT THAT!

"Jackson, 46, has pleaded not guilty to charges of child molestation, conspiracy and giving alcohol to his accuser, a cancer-stricken boy who lived for a time at the ranch."

What a sick f*ck.

morrisonsl:

The whole idea of comparing rape or sexual coercion of children with consenting sex between adults is not only offensive it's ridiculous.

And I quite agree with you. I wish the mainstream gay lobby would come down with both feet on NAMBLA's neck. But they don't. Or at least haven't yet, and the one or two times I've seen someone try to pin down spokespeople from ACT-UP they just change the subject.

The fact remains, however, that there is a small if vocal lobby to remove pedophilia from the list of paraphilias in DSM and they are having some influence. To add to the flames here, go find out who Moser and Kleinplatz worked for when they wrote the paper.

hey farker lawyers, can mj plead insanity to his charges if he desired? just curious

Note how they attach themselves to other gay groups. And in truth, I can't tell you that I've ever heard NAMBLA publicly repudiated by them.

You're kidding, aren't you? What is this monolithic organization of gays who are required to repudiate every little fringe group of sickos that comes along? Whatever it/they is/are, I hope you've been carefully monitoring their every pronouncement regarding your judgment that they haven't been publicly repudiated by them.

And if NAMBLA wanted to, they could say that they were working to gain acceptance among Republicans and the Southern Baptist Church. Does that somehow make the Republicans and Baptists culpable?

Pedophilia and other paraphilias should be removed from the DSM. In fact, removing homosexuality from the DSM and leaving pedophilia in there is a double standard. Why? Well, the paraphilias only refer to thoughts, not actions. One does not have to fark children to be a pedophile, just like one does not have to fark men to be a homosexual. Simply having thoughts about a taboo subject should not be considered a mental illness unless we want to go down the path of thoughtcrime. It's acting on those thoughts that is wrong.

It's also arguable that homosexuality should be put back into the DSM because both homosexuality and pedophilia are unhealthy from a Darwinian perspective. I don't really like the idea of considering homosexuality a mental illness, however.

Rob

Pluvius: Pedophilia and other paraphilias should be removed from the DSM.

i think its dangerous to not consider these disorders because they hurt children, straight up.

polysorbate80:

You're kidding, aren't you?

Um, well, no. I heard someone from ACT-UP asked the question during an interview, I believe, on some St Paddy's day parade issue, whether or not they supported NAMBLA (who was marching with them) and the spokesperson just smirked and said something on the order of "well, everyone has their own thing they enjoy".



Whatever it/they is/are, I hope you've been carefully monitoring their every pronouncement regarding your judgment

Do you support pedophilia? Probably not. Is thinking that is is wrong a "judgement"? If so, ok, tag me with it. I am EEEVVVILLL and JUDGEMENTAL. I think some things are, well, wrong. I have no moral relativism here. It seems pretty clear cut.

Do I care what adults do in private? Nope. Does it piss me off when they want to drag in kids? Yep.

And if NAMBLA wanted to, they could say that they were working to gain acceptance among Republicans and the Southern Baptist Church.

In which case I'd expect these groups to repudiate that connection, just as I would if the KKK or David Duke did the same thing.