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tenaciousdave		2004-12-12 12:00:06 AM

How exactly is piracy cool?

stanyanstreet		2004-12-12 01:12:11 AM

Because studios are corporations and corporations are eeeeeeeeevil. Stealing from them is a-ok.

Pirates are commies.

Emerson999		2004-12-12 01:43:34 AM

tenaciousdave: How exactly is piracy cool?

When it's from a company that sues someone thousands of dollars for stealing a $10 cd or dvd.

Dimensiation		2004-12-12 01:44:23 AM

Don't you like free things? Piracy is making things free price-wise. And...

toad-666		2004-12-12 02:23:14 AM

Can somebody help out the BitTorrent clueless among us?
I have no idea where to start..

EvilToni		2004-12-12 02:29:30 AM

Piracy hurts the little guy, you know the sound engineers, the editors, the peoples whose names appear in tiny print in the credits at the end of the movie. But hey, you get to save $15 per movie, so it's all good.

toad-666		2004-12-12 03:14:00 AM

Piracy doesn't really hurt those little guys. They still get paid the same hourly wage, or salary, or whatnot. Piracy hurts the distributors; they're the ones getting a bulk of the ticket revenue. Movies are like anything else... raise the prices too much without a reason to back it up, and people are gonna find a way to get it for free..

nm		2004-12-12 03:27:50 AM

Yeah, lets such down BT. BT has far more legit uses than ore than any other filesharing application. I get Linux ISOs and other free software (incl. firefox on the first day when teh site was down) though this method. The great thing is that it allows GNU software writers to distribute apps without having to worry about bandwith as much. its the greatest internet development since http and has so much potential.
BT is far more legal in the spirt of sony v. unversal than even Betamax machines.

moobs		2004-12-12 04:33:45 AM

That's cute. bargirl24 still goes to the movies and she pays attention to the bullshiat propaganda they show before the movie.

phaedra		2004-12-12 04:34:09 AM

tenaciousdave
How exactly is piracy cool?

You get to wear the nifty eye patch?

lordargent		2004-12-12 04:37:12 AM

Pay for movies?

shiat I have HBO

Aviator		2004-12-12 04:38:13 AM

phaedra: You get to wear the nifty eye patch?

And a pegleg.

Yarrr

lordargent		2004-12-12 04:38:25 AM

/probably doesn't help that ticket prices are $9.50 in my hood now, whereas HBO only costs me $6/month (for about eight HBO channels).

Or, I could do netflix.

Sister_AbdulaX		2004-12-12 04:40:19 AM

tenaciousdave: How exactly is piracy cool?

umm you get to say arrrrr alot?

/scurvy dog

BillyTheCondescendingSheepherder		2004-12-12 04:44:39 AM

So far, Cohen said, he has not become a target of the entertainment industry
I think even the MPAA knows that would get laughed out of court(unless Mickey Mouse bribes the judge first...)

fuzzycuffs		2004-12-12 04:44:43 AM

If they really want to combat piracy, they should just lobby to make a law making it illegal to serve files over the internet entirel...

--CONNECTION TERMINATED--

RockIsDead		2004-12-12 04:47:23 AM

Because I can.

extra echo		2004-12-12 04:50:52 AM

it's only a matter of time till the ISPs start limiting uploading or redflagging people who've been uploading for days and days. thats when BT dies. without people uploading there is nothing to d/l.

AVARICE217		2004-12-12 04:52:19 AM

toad-666

Check out Azureus, which I think is the best bittorrent program around. It's cross-platform too, which is always a plus. Once you've installed that or another BT client, you need to find torrent files to download. The torrent files point the BT client to a server which tells it who else is downloading the file at the same time. My main use for BT is to download TV shows, for which I'd recommend TvTorrents. Another site where you should be able to find anything you could ever possibly want is suprnova. Once you've the hang of things, look into combining RSS and bittorrent. Magical things will happen.

Crosshair		2004-12-12 04:55:00 AM

extra echo

it's only a matter of time till the ISPs start limiting uploading or redflagging people who've been uploading for days and days. thats when BT dies. without people uploading there is nothing to d/l.

People who play everquest will not be happy about that. Besides, just sitting here I am drawing bandwith. the only way ISP's will clamp a users internet is if someone complains.

Iczer		2004-12-12 04:55:45 AM

watch, next they'll be trying to make anyone who downloads files over IRC their next targets... And then it'll be word of mouth shortly afterwards!

proz512		2004-12-12 04:56:52 AM

To quote the great RvB Real Life vs Internet:

"Give to me RIGHT NOW."
"GIVE IT TO ME FASTER."
"I don't want it to be illegal, therefore it isn't."

Basically, we're all cheap dirty bastards who wants it FREE FREE FREE NOW NOW NOW FREE FREE GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE F*@K PAYING.

BLIAD THE IMPALER		2004-12-12 04:57:11 AM

vegasj		2004-12-12 04:57:49 AM

Crosshair:

the only way ISP's will clamp a users internet is if someone complains.

like the MPAA sending your ISP a DCMA violation and requesting action against you?

seen one of those....er, a friend showed me one once.

Crosshair		2004-12-12 05:00:55 AM

Billion dolar industries that overcharge for their products loosing sales?!?!

the oob		2004-12-12 05:01:09 AM

This is why I'm sticking to small, non-american DC hubs for my movies.

I mean, a friend... ah fark it.

Crosshair		2004-12-12 05:03:25 AM

vegasj

Ya, I had a....um, friend get one from Paramount involving sharing Futurama episodes. This was before it was released on DVD.....acording to my friend.

Crosshair		2004-12-12 05:04:52 AM

the oob

Yea, stay away from the US DC hubs......my friend was on that one when he was busted.

Tahl		2004-12-12 05:07:09 AM

Also, if anime is more your thing then you can start downloading unlicensed (means its legal to download in the US as far as I know) you can get tons of torrents at AnimeSuki (let me recommend Naruto.. someone has to)

UberSmyth		2004-12-12 05:08:01 AM

My Rant, by Ubersmyth

Bittorrent is great. It allows me to get television I can't get simply because the shows are carried outside the US. Harvey Birdman, which was once on Teletoon, is the funniest show currently on air and I can only get it reliably through Bittorrent. Likewise, South Park. Canada gets new episodes weeks after they've aired in the States, but I can grab them online hours after they've aired.

If these shows would be played up in Canada, and not weeks later - or never - then I wouldn't be doing this. I have a VCR with a timer if need be.

However, I refuse to download movies, simply because I'm not so cheap that I can't spend $5 to rent or $12 to see it in theatres (Canadian prices). And I'll only buy if I like the movie. Yes, I'd feel like I wasted my money if I paid to see National Treasure (which I have seen, and man, I'm glad I got in free to that one). If you feel like you're money's going to be wasted on a film you think will suck, don't see the film. Is it any better to waste 2 hours watching that film now that you've saved the admission fee?

And I find it gross that people will download the movies they love and hurt the people who mades those movies by not supporting them.

Likewise for music, and Bittorrent is in many ways worse. I only see full albums, not single files. Now instead of downloading that one song you like off the Eminem album, you're downloading the entire CD. If you like the CD, buy the CD.

Support the people who create the things you enjoy.

I hear a song, I like the song, but why would I buy a CD full of songs I don't like just to get the one I do like? Not to mention, Toto hasn't released Africa in ages and it's garbage like that which I download. Is it right? No. But I doubt the theme to Magnum PI or Jan Hammer's Cockett Theme are readily available on iTunes or in my local music store.

And the only reason I would download a computer game is because I can't rent computer games like I do console games. I want to try before I buy, unless I'm positive I'll enjoy the game (Half-Life 2, for instance). I see "Sacred" in the stores, I download it. I play it. I find out that an hour into the game, I'm bored. I haven't played it again and I've since removed it from my hard drive to free up some space. I just saved $50. Had I liked the game, would I have bought it? Maybe not right away, but eventually. Bought Hitman: Codename 47 a few months ago, but I played it a few years ago. But I bought Hitman Contracts without download it first (Hitman 2, by the way, sucked and I didn't buy it).

There's a circle of life and it does not involve yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum.

zombiebot		2004-12-12 05:08:36 AM

I prefer BT to anything else, honestly.
Because Kazaa (Lite ++ or any incarnation) just sucks the balls.

And I really don't give two tugs of a dead dogs c0ck about movie distributors.

vegasj		2004-12-12 05:09:54 AM

the MPAA is watching Bitorrent more than you may know.

RE: Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
Reference#: XXXXXXXX (X)
IP Address: XX.XXX.XX.XXX
Date of Infringement: XX Nov XXXX XX:XX:XX EST

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) represents the following motion picture production and distribution companies:

Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
Disney Enterprises, Inc.
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.
Paramount Pictures Corporation
TriStar Pictures, Inc.
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
United Artists Pictures, Inc.
United Artists Corporation
Universal City Studios LLLP
Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

We have received information that, at the above noted date and time, the IP address XX.XXX.XX.XXX was used to offer or to materially contribute to the offering of downloadable or streaming copies of copyrighted motion pictures. The title(s) offered included: XXXXXXX

Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: XXXXXXX
Filepath: XXXXXXX (XXXX) DVDRip-3ivx.torrent
Filename: XXXXXXX.mov
First Found: XX Nov XXXX XX:00:XX EST
Last Found: XX Nov XXXX XX:00:XX EST
Filesize: 827,603k
IP Address: XX.XXX.XX.XXX
IP Port: 6881
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent

We believe this information should prove sufficient for you to locate the material complained about herein; however, please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions or clarification requests you may have.

The unauthorized distribution or public performance of copyrighted motion pictures constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3)-(4). This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

As the owner of this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:

1. Notify the end user of the infringement(s).
2. Remove or disable access to the material identified above.
3. Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.

On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective agents, or the law.

Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

they're watching...

*shrugs*

Just say'n.

Mansell		2004-12-12 05:10:35 AM

A number of these large software companies have no qualms about resorting to anti-competitive and often illegal practices against smaller firms. To think that they can turn around and say, "ooo, but you guys play fair" is farcical. I have no sympathy for these parasitical entities whatsoever.

It's a lesson I learnt in politics when I was very young. If you keep taking and taking and exploiting and oppressing, then you're going to need those security guards and those iron gates, because the people you oppress are one day gonna rise up, tear your throat out and screw your daughter.

/slept badly

vegasj		2004-12-12 05:16:14 AM

Crosshair: Billion dolar industries that overcharge for their products loosing sales?!?!

that's what kills me.

the RIAA claims P2P is killing their profit, showing signs of a 12% decline of some 5% margin or whatever .... and it has nothing to do with SH|T they have been mass producing out of the Mickey Mouse Club ?

the MPAA claims ticket sales at theaters are dropping because of P2P... but that wouldn't have anything to do with it costing $10 to see some sorry ass remake of a 1980's cartoon or some sequal to a sh|t-hole series ?

yukichigai		2004-12-12 05:19:44 AM

There's different shades of piracy. There is the one the RIAA/MPAA would like you to believe is the only one: steal steal steal, don't pay because you don't want to, blah blah blah. Then there's the one I try to fall in: try before you buy. Seriously. Half the crap I download I delete after one view. Hell, thanks to Bittorrent I've bought a few CDs I had no intention of buying (Muse - Absolution) and shyed away from several others I thought were shoe-ins. (The latest Cake)

My problem with the RIAA/MPAA isn't really that they want to stop piracy, but more that they want to stop anything that could possibly make them less money. I suspect if they had it their way they'd make it illegal to rent movies, or even talk about them. The RIAA has done a great job of that with music; I have to resort to piracy to find out if an album is worth buying or not. (Unless I happen to be near a Virgin Megastore. You can listen to samples of every track from every single CD they have in the store)

So yeah, I'll be laughing as the industry fails at axing bittorrent.

BlueTypewriter		2004-12-12 05:21:52 AM

Fast Reliable downloads of just about anything for $10/month. No need to upload or share anything, no xxAA knocking on your door. www.easynews.com

sentient_being		2004-12-12 05:28:42 AM

The popularity of piracy among broadband users simply suggests that they really couldn't give a damn whether these industries collapse or not. And to tell you the truth, I don't blame them one bit. Why would I pay twenty bucks for a CD I can't rip, a movie CD I can't skip the farking 20 minutes of commercials on, or a seat in a theater that cost me an extra hour of my life because the movie starts farking 60 minutes after the last ticket is sold?

It's abuse, and the fact that they monopolize the industry leaves people no other choice than to take it. If they want their little monopoly, then they're going to have to play fair. No play fair? Too bad, I'm stealing.

And no, I'm not going to forego all of these things because some assholes decided to push the envelope of market tolerance when they damn well know it's as far as it goes already.

Tough shiat for me, fellas? No, tough shiat for you.

extra echo		2004-12-12 05:35:47 AM

lets see.....time warner is a major media company with film and television and music...blah blah blah....

time warner is also a isp with roadrunner....

people use bt to download music, movies, tv shows.....

you dont need to be a genius to figure how that will play out.

it's only a matter of time. ISPs will clamp down on people uploading. then BT will die. simple as that. i just did some research real quick. it appeasr that optimumonline (cablevision) is already capping people who upload for long periods of time. a cap of 15000b/s. theres more info about it over at the forums on broadband reports for optimumonline if anyone is interested in it.

Chariset		2004-12-12 05:39:26 AM

If they only make $1 billion profit instead of $10 billion, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep at night.

vegasj		2004-12-12 05:41:01 AM

but, but... you're taking $9 billion of food off some exec's table.

/sarcasm

FatherG		2004-12-12 05:50:57 AM

Just let me seek my soul, and I'm all gravy.

/shiate for movies, mecca for music

RevDru		2004-12-12 05:52:09 AM

I can't wait until someone figures out how to hook cannons up to bittorrent.

pest_control		2004-12-12 05:54:16 AM

I'm amazed that so many people do this when you know you can get sued. Nobody on Bittorent is anonymous. And its worse than Kazaa because you can't just leech, you have to upload - and it's the 'uploaders' that the MPAA and RIAA are going after. There's bound to be a fully anonymous program that's developed at some time in the near future; I think I'll just wait for that.

On second thought, I expect it'd be really long odds that you'd be one of the unlucky ones that gets singled out in a lawsuit wouldn't it? Hmmmm... thanks for the link to Azureus, Avarice. Heh. It's tempting.

Irregardless		2004-12-12 05:54:17 AM

I blame Bush.

BrotherAlpha		2004-12-12 05:58:25 AM

BlueTypewriter:

Fast Reliable downloads of just about anything for $10/month. No need to upload or share anything, no xxAA knocking on your door. www.easynews.com

I use them to download TV shows I either miss or don't get with my cable package. However, that doesn't stop me from going out and buying the same shows when they come out on DVD. I prefer the quality of the DVD over what you usually get online, and the special features are worth it.

However, sometimes the DVD encoding, bad chapter breaks, poor menu system, lack of special features means it's just not worth it.

In other words, if Hollywood gives us a product worth buying we will buy it. If not, then it's their fault.

BrotherAlpha		2004-12-12 06:01:11 AM

UberSmyth:

Likewise for music, and Bittorrent is in many ways worse. I only see full albums, not single files. Now instead of downloading that one song you like off the Eminem album, you're downloading the entire CD. If you like the CD, buy the CD.

I always download the full album, listen to it for a week and if I still like it I buy it. ... At least that's how I used to handle it before I started boycotting major labels.