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(ESPN)   In wake of BALCO scandal, record for home runs in one year reset to 49   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line 116
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2004-12-07 01:12:00 PM  
I really like this article. This is exactly how I feel... if we want to change the culture of baseball, start cracking down on steroid use. Don't go on a witch hunt for who might have used in the past. Implement regular testing. Kick guys who are caught using out of the league. Period. But you can't seriously talk about changing the records for previous seasons. It's all speculation, guys.
 
2004-12-07 01:29:52 PM  
HA! That is why baseball sucks. We should just scrap the whole sport and devote our time to sports with more wholesome professionals. You know, like football and basketball. Oh, wait.
 
2004-12-07 01:30:22 PM  
This is just stupid. The jump from using steroids to the expansion year thing is beyond ridiculous. The expanded schedule, adding more teams, lowering the mound, etc... were all changes that affected the entire league together and were agreed upon. It's like the author is saying we should let Bonds keep his records because "hey, the game changes and now people are using steroids, get used to it."
 
2004-12-07 01:34:20 PM  
Since when is it speculation that McGwire used Andro? He admitted it.

Bonds apparently testified that he used the clear and the cream, but didn't know they were THE clear and THE cream. That's not speculation.

Let the records stand, but know that they mean nothing.
 
2004-12-07 01:34:29 PM  
Tell Them I Hate Them:

This is just stupid. The jump from using steroids to the expansion year thing is beyond ridiculous. The expanded schedule, adding more teams, lowering the mound, etc... were all changes that affected the entire league together and were agreed upon. It's like the author is saying we should let Bonds keep his records because "hey, the game changes and now people are using steroids, get used to it."

It...was...a...joke?
 
2004-12-07 01:35:48 PM  
OneHandFapping: It...was...a...joke?

Of course he was being sarcastic (and comical), but he was clearly making a point.
 
2004-12-07 02:02:26 PM  
Balki Incident?
 
2004-12-07 02:15:06 PM  
Babe Ruth, 60, 1927: With no black players allowed, Ruth wasn't even facing the best pitchers. Stricken!

Alex Rodriguez, 57, 2002: Nobody has accused A-Rod of taking steroids, but any total in the juiced player era (1994-2003) is questionable. Guilt by association.

Cecil Fielder, 51, 1990: No designated hitters allowed. Stricken!


So, basically, to find out who's hit the most home runs in a single season, we just pick some guys at random and declare that everyone else doesn't count because of some reason or another? In that case, I decree that *I*, with zero home runs, have the world record, because everyone on that list has used aftershave at some time or another, and they're not sitting with their legs folded at this particular moment, twirling a pencil with their toes.

Yay, I'm famous!

And what the fark is this BALCO shiat? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.
 
2004-12-07 02:40:00 PM  
Mark McGwire, 70 home runs, 1998: Used Andro, which raises the level of testosterone in the body and is considered a pre-cursor to steroids. When combined with weightlifting, this will help build muscle mass. Strike it!

1) Andro wasn't illegal in baseball at the time and I'm not sure if it's considered an illegal drug, outside of baseball.

2) Pre-cursor to steroids != steroids. You can't bust someone for doin cocaine if they're smoking weed because weed is a "gateway drug."

3) Taking other supplements, like Creatine, can also help increase muscle mass when combined with lifting and is not illegal.

Yay...home run record is now 70!
 
2004-12-07 02:42:15 PM  
Alexis, BALCO is a company that was supplying steroids to either athletes or, in the case of Bonds, a trainer. The steroids were designed in such a way that they were undetectable by then current testing procedures. Eventually a sample of these steroids was given to the authorities and a number of athletes tested positive and/or have since admitted to taking them knowingly or otherwise.
 
2004-12-07 03:18:43 PM  
Andro wasn't illegal in baseball at the time and I'm not sure if it's considered an illegal drug, outside of baseball.


Androstenedione was banned by the IOC and the NFL while Big Mac was on it. I think the NCAA and NHL also banned sometime before 1997 but I'm not sure.

As for the "it wasn't illegal" argument, that's the best argument Barry and the BALCO Boys can make: "Hey Selig: you didn't say we couldnt' take 'the clear' and 'the cream', so go ahead and suck it mmmkay?"
 
2004-12-07 03:30:29 PM  
This is going to get real slippery in terms of what is legal and what is not when they start producing designer drugs. If one guy can create (previously) undetectable supplements, what do you think a company in a foreign country could do?

Personally I wish Sosa would have been tested in his heyday. Made Bonds' weighgain look natural.
 
2004-12-07 03:40:21 PM  
I want to see all of the loudmouth, jealous media geeks and grandstanding politicians take drug tests, first.

Otherwise, they should STFU.
 
2004-12-07 04:21:57 PM  
Andro was (still is? Not sure if it's made anymore) available over the counter, like creatine. It's nothing compared to the clear or the cream, which were steroids designed so they wouldn't be detected.
And I do have to say... the IOC and the NFL ban everything. You can't even take many types of cold pills without suspensions in these organizations.

Not that Andro is good... just saying.
 
2004-12-07 04:50:33 PM  
KLU! I second the article's author. Let the Big Klu hold the record.
 
2004-12-07 04:52:04 PM  
The "no black players" argument is silly. Suppose you add a few black pitchers who might be slightly better than the league average pitchers of the day. That might cost Ruth five or ten hits over his entire career.
 
2004-12-07 07:44:55 PM  
NetOwl:

The "no black players" argument is silly. Suppose you add a few black pitchers who might be slightly better than the league average pitchers of the day. That might cost Ruth five or ten hits over his entire career

Josh Gibson of the Negro Baseball Leagues hit 85 home runs in one season.
 
2004-12-07 07:45:37 PM  
And once they get done convincing us that Bonds' records are legit the sportswriters can get to work convincing us to donate money to help support Atest during his difficult financial straits.
 
2004-12-07 07:46:01 PM  
"Josh Gibson of the Negro Baseball Leagues hit 85 home runs in one season."

but he wasnt facing the best white pitchers!!!!

I call shenanigans!
 
2004-12-07 07:48:05 PM  
Remove the obscene salaries in professional sports, remove the cheats who are willing to play Russian roulette with their health.

Who would gamble on functioning kidneys at the age of 50 when you're only pulling in $100,000?

Can't be done, you say? BS - all American sports fans have to do is entertain their own fat asses for 2-3 years and not pay to see professional sports, and all of a sudden a hot dog at the ol' ballpark only costs a buck. But it's easier to watch others exercise than to do it yourself.
 
2004-12-07 07:48:49 PM  
re: Josh Gibson of the Negro Baseball Leagues hit 85 home runs in one season.

on a little league field maybe.
 
2004-12-07 07:49:57 PM  
Mark was juicing.
 
2004-12-07 07:50:20 PM  
"Josh Gibson of the Negro Baseball Leagues hit 85 home runs in one season."

Does this argue for or against *better* pitching in the Negro Leagues?
 
2004-12-07 07:50:42 PM  
Who cares. This crap has as much relevance as the Scott Peterson trial does. There are so many other things that are far more important, things that you'll actually care about twenty years from now.

If it comes out that Bonds sold his soul or stuck small rodents up his pooper in order to hit all those home runs, it will still be a 'Who gives a shiat' story.
 
2004-12-07 07:51:36 PM  
Mark was juicing.

No shiat?

As far as I'm concerned Mcgwire/Bonds are both unnatural freaks.
 
2004-12-07 07:51:46 PM  
haha, that was funny stuff.


It's funny because it's true!
 
2004-12-07 07:52:32 PM  
dettigersnw22: but he wasnt facing the best white pitchers!!!!

Ha ha! I was less than impressed with his "black pitchers" rambling.
 
2004-12-07 07:53:11 PM  
The Falco Incident?
 
2004-12-07 07:53:51 PM  
Dear Befuddled:
If this is a non story to you, please leave the thread. You're wasting your time and ours posting "it's a non-story".
Thank You,
everyone else
 
2004-12-07 07:54:17 PM  
haha bravo, this was just funny. this entire thing is just stupid. there is no possible way to claim a legit leader, you just have to go with what you have.(if that makes any sense at all)
 
2004-12-07 07:54:30 PM  
I would just like to go on record to say that I hate Barry Bonds.


Thank you.
 
2004-12-07 07:55:02 PM  
Is it me or does it seem that his hyperbole is seeming to imply that Bonds' records shouldn't be asterisked (is that a word?) because its just a matter of the game changing?
 
2004-12-07 07:56:46 PM  
barneyfifesbullet:

I want to see all of the loudmouth, jealous media geeks and grandstanding politicians take drug tests, first.

Otherwise, they should STFU.



That's right. Because everyone knows being on drugs makes you a better politician and therefore gives you an unfair advantage ...
 
2004-12-07 07:56:52 PM  
Hey English farkers (and all non american farkers for that matter) Heres you big chance to make a reasonable case for why "our football is better then your baseball". FLAME ON.


ps: still sorry about bush
 
Ral
2004-12-07 07:56:53 PM  
If players want to take steroids or andro, I think we should let them, but maybe give them a separate league or something. It's not fair to the players who don't want to fark up their bodies by turning into hyper-aggressive, muscle-bound freaks who develop bizarre injuries (by having muscles that are too strong for the other ligaments in their joints) and wind up old and busted at the age of 40.
 
2004-12-07 07:58:52 PM  
As I always suspected...

Killebrew = the greatest of all time, finally proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
2004-12-07 07:59:18 PM  

What's a home run? What's an at-bat?
 
2004-12-07 07:59:27 PM  
Dear Bob from accounting:

I shall file your recomendation right next to this aforementioned story as it is as relevant to me as this story.

You sure have balls in claiming that you speak for everyone.

Thank you, from just little ol' me.
 
2004-12-07 08:00:10 PM  
Ral, all I can think of in response is the SNL skit of the All-Drug Olympics.

 
2004-12-07 08:02:26 PM  
curtins (2nd post under Balki's picture) makes good points.

I won't even go into the racist mindset of the "black players" argument.
 
2004-12-07 08:03:06 PM  
I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting huge from all of these drugs.

/The Cream?
//The Clear?
///Cialis?
 
2004-12-07 08:03:58 PM  
I want my 3 minutes back.

/would have wasted it watching the lead-in to Rebel Billionaire anyway.
//how did it come to this?
 
2004-12-07 08:03:59 PM  
It wasn't only Bonds, most of the US 2000 olympic team was juicing through BALCO. You can't blame the guy for cheating... oh wait, you can!

/'the cream' and 'the clear' need real names, like 'Ball-Shrinking Career-Tainted But It Was Worth It Juice'
 
2004-12-07 08:04:41 PM  
read an interesting stat in a washington post column the other day. stats, inc. keeps stats both important and not-so-important in the baseball universe and according to their numbers ...

barry bonds: number of hr's longer than 450 feet:
1999 and back - ZERO
2000 and beyond - 21

for those of you who don't have a feel of what a blast a 450 footer is, i'm gonna ask you to trust me. okay, maybe not. there is a fabulous book entitled, "the physics of baseball" by dr. robert adair. good math, pretty solid research and even a little experimentation. the reading might seem a little dry but anyway, his contention is that no major league baseball can be hit further than 510 feet without some kind of wind help. i do not remember his position on the reputed 565 foot shot by mickey mantle against the senators back in the late 50's - early 60's.

we baseball fans know the distances of home runs can be quite dubious from ballpark to ballpark, but still ....

/just sayin'
//pittsburgher, never a bonds fan.
///can't figure out how he won so many gold gloves.
 
2004-12-07 08:04:51 PM  
curtins

(2) Pre-cursor to steroids != steroids. You can't bust someone for doin cocaine if they're smoking weed because weed is a "gateway drug."

This isn't an accurate analogy--Andro gets broken down by the body into testosterone, aka. anabolic steroid. Weed has nothing to do with coke, at least chemically. A better analogy would be "You can't bust someone for doin cocaine if they're smoking crack", except you'd be wrong.
 
2004-12-07 08:04:59 PM  
I know this is one hell of a threadjack, but i'd like to ask if the Totalfarkers are attempting to greenlight the article that talks about several coaches dropping Cal below 6th in the Coaches' poll, and how the Coaches' poll president doesn't find it suspicious at all.


here's the link

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMmgzc2pzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYw N0aA--?slug=ap-californiabcsblues&prov=ap&type=lgns



AS for my comment on steroids so i don't get banned, I don't think there should be an asterisk next to their records, but they should be banned from the hall of fame if they're caught usign steroids WHILE its illegal, not before...



and shame on the players' union reps for not fulfilling the players' wishes of stronger drug testing. The majority of the players want it, thats who you represent. So get it done.
 
2004-12-07 08:06:09 PM  
Speaking of Cecil Fielder, I read an article recently where he has gambled away all his million$, is in huge debt, has lost his wife (who claims not to have known about his gambling), and is basically in hiding now.
 
2004-12-07 08:06:57 PM  
HomeSkillet

re: Josh Gibson of the Negro Baseball Leagues hit 85 home runs in one season.

on a little league field maybe.


Josh Gibson, aka "The Black Babe Ruth," is the only man to have ever hit a ball out of Yankee Stadium.

His ghost just told me to tell you to "kiss his black ass."
 
2004-12-07 08:07:08 PM  
Screw that. If they won't let Pete Rose in, they shouldn't let Barry (and Mark McGuire). They all cheated, just in different ways.
 
2004-12-07 08:08:53 PM  
Barneyfifesbullet



they already do. You really thing politicians are shooting up or smoking pot or anything like that?


I believe one of the requirements for public office is no drug convictions and no CURRENT DRUG USE.



wow you're a moran.
 
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