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(New York Daily News)   Bush wants to spend $300 million to encourage single mothers to get off wellfare by getting married. Doesn't matter to whom   (nydailynews.com) divider line 320
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2002-02-27 08:49:27 AM  
Our selected President displaying his overwhelming sense of intelligence once again....


what a farkng dork
 
2002-02-27 08:50:32 AM  
Brilliant. Since when does being married equate with being "responsible"? I'm sure there's plenty of single mothers doing a kick-ass job and plenty of couples scarring their little kids for life.

Bush sucks.
 
2002-02-27 08:51:56 AM  
Don't think of it as marriage = responsible. Think of it as why the hell is the US Govt taking my tax dollars to pay these losers to pop out kids?

Let them find their own damn funds instead of being given handouts.
 
2002-02-27 08:52:44 AM  
Betcha even Harmonia and Fb- would get married for $300 mil.
 
2002-02-27 08:53:18 AM  
is he serious? when are we going to get back to bush bashing so I feel comfortable he won't get elected again
 
2002-02-27 08:53:27 AM  
To each other, I mean. Damn, I'm stupid.
 
2002-02-27 08:53:37 AM  
This should be a nice, short, rational discussion thread.
 
2002-02-27 08:55:00 AM  
I submitted this story over a month ago.

I think this program should be called, "The National Dowery Fund"

If I'm not mistaken, I think St. Nicholas first took up the cause in early Christian Greece by dropping gold peices through chimneys to help women who were too poor to have dowerys and couldn't get married.
 
2002-02-27 08:55:06 AM  
Flameus Warrus.
 
2002-02-27 08:57:49 AM  
This is just the opposite of the long-standing policy that made women virtually inelligible for welfare if they had an able-bodied husband in the household, or boyfriend, or whatever. I spent years working in legal aid and worked with a lot of welfare mothers. It's sad. System is garbage and has been for years.

Excuse me, I should say welfare grandmothers. A lot of these mothers have three and four kids by the time they're twenty, then dump them on their own mothers to raise. But, what do I know, right? I only worked with people on welfare and talked to them about their problems, but I'm an evil conservative, so I must be wrong.
 
2002-02-27 08:58:02 AM  
There is no limit to Bush stupidity.
 
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2002-02-27 09:00:12 AM  
Next thing you know this guy is going to be paying people to become christian.
 
2002-02-27 09:02:22 AM  
D'oh
 
2002-02-27 09:03:15 AM  
Yes, Bush is stupid and the architects of the welfare state as we know it were brilliant for creating a permanent underclass in society.
 
2002-02-27 09:04:05 AM  
Robert Rector, a scholar with the conservative Heritage Foundation, said welfare now offers single moms more benefits than married couples receive.

"A couple gets a lot more out of welfare if they're not married than if they are," Rector said.


No shiat, sherlock. I used to know a married couple who was on welfare. They got a divorce so they could get bigger welfare checks - and they still lived together. It may be legal, but it amounts to fraud.
 
2002-02-27 09:05:47 AM  
I've got the answer: If they've got $300 million then they should build a giant meat grinder - Just feed single mum + child(ren) into it and then no more welfare needed - and you can make a fortune from the sausage companies/McDonalds.
 
2002-02-27 09:06:45 AM  
. . . said Deborah Weinstein of the liberal-leaning Children's Defense Fund . . .

That's the understatement of the day - like calling rampant heart disease a "health problem."
 
2002-02-27 09:06:55 AM  
I once talked to a couple. The mother was on welfare and the dad had a job. He wanted to get married an move in with his kids, but she wouldn't let him because they wouldn't get as much money from the government if he moved in, especially if he had a job.
 
2002-02-27 09:08:07 AM  
Once again we see our elected officials misusing statistics to their own political ends.

Children of married parents do better in school, do fewer drugs, are less likely to be arrested, etc.

Therefore if we spend money to get parents married children will do better.

Of course no one ever stopped to think that those children do better because of the values of their parents, and that marriage is a sign of those values and not the cause. Getting Ma' and Pa' "I don't give a damn" married isn't going to morph them into middle class America.
 
2002-02-27 09:08:41 AM  
Fb-
Next thing you know this guy is going to be paying people to become christian.

It makes finacial sense to pay for conversions.

lets say a person get $1,000 to convert, to get the money a person has to "check in at church" twice a month, if you miss a day you have to pay a penalty or refund the money back.
If the organized religion gets this individual a job they will be indebted to the church and up the ante at the collection plate.

lets say, $100 in the collection plate every year, the program will be making money by the 10th year.
 
2002-02-27 09:08:43 AM  
in Washington, Senator BigAl introduced his welfare reform bill, "the Soylent Green Act."
 
2002-02-27 09:12:16 AM  
Since when has being married imply responsibility?

Obviously Chimpy is doing a bang-up job teaching his daughters how to not be drunken sluts, and Jeb with his druggie daughter.
 
2002-02-27 09:15:06 AM  
I'm taking bets to see how long it will take for a gender discrimination suit to be placed upon this little brainstorm.
 
2002-02-27 09:16:09 AM  
There's certainly some farked rationale behind this one. Since we all know Dubya doesn't do him own thinking, makes me wonder which policy wonk stepped on his dick this time.
 
2002-02-27 09:17:09 AM  
Does it count for same sex marriages?
 
2002-02-27 09:19:07 AM  
BlockedIP: are you kidding? Remember, this is a Republican proposal.
 
2002-02-27 09:20:23 AM  
In related news sales of sleeveless shirts up 50%.
 
2002-02-27 09:22:44 AM  
1/2 the problems we have in our society are a result of single mothers having kids they can't take care of. If this works, then they should spend twice as much next year on the program because there's nothing they could do that would have a more positive effect on society than encouraging women with kids to marry.
 
2002-02-27 09:27:06 AM  
They can either give the women our money once when they get marrried. Or give it to them every year for the rest of their life. Whether its welfare or meals in prison. And I know some people out there come from single mother househoulds and turned out to be astronaughts or something. But the statistics don't lie. Oreilly had a debate on this. Its made some sense.
 
2002-02-27 09:27:53 AM  
Can't we just make Fb- pay for his kids? That will save the system millions right there!

-Da lupe
 
2002-02-27 09:31:45 AM  
using the stupid tag on a story about Bush seems a bit redundant.
 
2002-02-27 09:31:55 AM  
Man, the president is a real dumbass. I think he's done waaay too much cocaine in his past. If he keeps this up he may graduate to assclown.
 
2002-02-27 09:34:56 AM  
"1/2 the problems we have in our society are a result of single mothers having kids they can't take care of."

And the other half being men who who'll put their dick in anything with tits that isn't on fire?
 
2002-02-27 09:40:35 AM  
Bush is clearly turning into a liberal. You know - interfering in people's lives, telling them what is and isn't good for them. This move away from traditional right wing policies of... wait a minute....
 
2002-02-27 09:40:45 AM  
Dont blame poor George, his job is to do what he is told to do and say what he is told to say.

Blame the puppetmasters, not the puppet.
 
2002-02-27 09:40:45 AM  
I think the "on fire" part is negotiable.

Er, welfare in my state looks at the number of people living in the household. Doesn't matter if daddy is married to mommy or not if he's living there.

Since this money is going to the WOMAN getting married, what new incentive does this provide to the MAN she is supposedly gonna marry? Is she supposed to give him the "no ring, no nookie" crap? Agree to split the payment after the ceremony? What?
 
2002-02-27 09:44:41 AM  
I'll take the 300 million bucks and let the crack-whore stay at my place if I can beat her without those pesky DSS wanks hounding me!
 
2002-02-27 09:44:52 AM  
want to know the scary part...because Bush played so well during the few months after 9/11 nobody in the Democrat camp is going to be able to beat him during the next election. We got another 7 plus years of this dork and his uptight buddies running our country.
 
2002-02-27 09:45:53 AM  
Bush is married, and his kids turned out great. *sarcasm*

If it wasn't for his influence getting the law to not apply to them, they'd be required to be in prision right now after their repeated offenses.
 
2002-02-27 09:48:02 AM  
Underage drinking is a misdemeanor and is not a jailable offense, oh great legal scholar.
 
2002-02-27 09:48:18 AM  
I want to give to the Welfare Department a business proposal.

A website www.americanHottieMoms.org

Russian men that want to come to the U.S. have to marry these girls.

Doesn't it seem like a good attempt at parity, considering how many Russian brides are coming over?

I'd charge only a nominal fee.
 
2002-02-27 09:49:06 AM  
Tupsie, reminds me of the study that says that the decreae in crime in America is directly related to the legalization of abortion.

That's what I love about Republicans: "No, you can't use federal money to have an abortion, but feel free to have as many kids as you want, and if you marry some guy we'll give you cash!".

3Horn
 
2002-02-27 09:53:34 AM  
This ought be as successful as Dad's "family values" campaign. While I agree that "traditional" family structure can create an environment that's conducive to childhood development, I also agree with Ironbar in that this structure does not necessarily result in that environment. Bush's proposal is based on a statistical fallacy - post hoc ergo propter hoc - after the fact, therefore because of it.
 
2002-02-27 09:54:04 AM  
" My wife and I agreed when we decided to have our first child that no matter what happened between us we would stay married while our children are in the house."

I think your belief that the welfare of the children comes before 'fulfilment' is very noble, as is a commitment to seek other solutions (such as counselling) before choosing to split up....

...but I hope you don't really mean the above statement. Staying together "for the kids" in a rotten marriage isn't doing the children any favors or helping them beat the odds. Not to say that you or your wife would ever be assholes, of course. But the supposed welfare of the children should never be an excuse for subjecting them to a toxic family situation.
 
2002-02-27 09:54:44 AM  
Let's straighten this out. The current welfare system blows chunks. Agreed. Bush' solution to it is asinine. Agreed. I don't think anyone can dispute these points.
 
2002-02-27 09:57:10 AM  
That's about the size of it, WarmBeer.
 
2002-02-27 10:06:12 AM  
WarmBeer is right, although far too understated
 
2002-02-27 10:08:42 AM  
Yeah, they should be married if they have kids.


But Shawn Kemp wants to stay single and besides, you b!tches can't prove they are his kids!
 
2002-02-27 10:09:52 AM  
Capigula: I think that's noble, but naive. If you can manage to do that, you are an artist par excellence. My parents provided a very nurturing environment, and all things considered, I didn't turn out too bad. But living in a household where there is absolutely no love between your parents is a terrible existence. Kids are much more attune to their parents relationship than most people think.
 
2002-02-27 10:12:48 AM  
lonely computer geeks everywhere are going to re-elect him : )
 
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