Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(MSNBC)   Teen drinking report flawed, based on flimsy "we pulled the number out of our asses" statistical method   (msnbc.com ) divider line
    More: Followup  
•       •       •

6191 clicks; posted to Main » on 27 Feb 2002 at 8:46 AM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



64 Comments   (+0 »)

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2002-02-27 08:51:23 AM  
OK. But 11.4% should still be alarming.

Perhaps too many kids are drinking. Maybe they need a stress management course.

Perhaps our laws are idiotic.
 
2002-02-27 08:53:27 AM  
Hell. Maybe I was wrong. Drew doesn't consume 25% of all alcohol in the US. The people doing this survey did. (Right before they compiled the statistics.)
 
2002-02-27 08:56:08 AM  
The news media always focuses on the problems and not hte solutions. Always so negative.
 
2002-02-27 08:56:19 AM  
maybe if we just lower the drinking age to 16 like all others countries this number won't be so bad.
 
2002-02-27 08:56:22 AM  
[image from img.fark.com too old to be available]
 
2002-02-27 08:57:55 AM  
Way to screw up.
 
fb-
2002-02-27 09:00:38 AM  
Arthur Anderson is the father?
 
2002-02-27 09:01:41 AM  
I like how they give tips on how to keep your kids from drinking and doing drugs..."eat dinner together, know your children's friends and where they go.." In other words ACT LIKE A PARENT WHO GIVES A shiat. If some organization has to tell you this stuff, your kids are basically doomed.
 
2002-02-27 09:02:28 AM  
"It said that using the adjustment would bring the figure down to 11.4 percent, but added that it believed that percentage was low due to. . .the fact that children under 12 weren't surveyed. "


Yeah, I bet adding those kids would have made it jump to at least 25%.
 
fj
2002-02-27 09:03:07 AM  
So teen drinking accounts for less than 25% alcohol consumption? Now you little bastards are really slacking. You better start pulling your own weight or you're friggin' fired. Lazy bastards.
 
2002-02-27 09:09:12 AM  
The percentage of drinkers who are under 21 would not be so high if people over 21 would just drink more booze. Come on people, let's get to work!
 
2002-02-27 09:12:25 AM  
I like how they say, "regardless of the real numbers, it still proves our point."

Its pretty screwed up when a kid old enough to be in the military, and risk his life, is considered too young to have drink.

Is it me, or is just about everything farked up these days?
 
2002-02-27 09:14:32 AM  
Federally approved addiction, yet weed is illegal.
 
2002-02-27 09:14:46 AM  
Really great way to discourage kids from drinking... lie and tell them that all their friends are doing it.

Farking bastards.
 
2002-02-27 09:16:19 AM  
25% actually sounds just about right to me.
 
2002-02-27 09:22:09 AM  
I must object to the headline. www.pulledoutofmyass.com has nothing, nothing at all, to do with this study.
 
2002-02-27 09:24:03 AM  
I knew that sounded high. 25% is too damn unbelievable. Kids drink in Highschool but come on, I mean they can't even buy it that easily. sure, some have fake IDs and all but it is truly not that accessible, especially in some states than others. For instance, I grew up on LI, NY and a 6 pack was much easier to come by than in VA where I went to college.

That original number was definitely skewed.
 
2002-02-27 09:33:02 AM  
TVs_Frank, what about those little kids drinking vodka yesterday? I'm sure all those under 12 kids will raise the amount consumed bvy 14%.


"Center President Joseph Califano Jr., a former U.S. Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, defended his group's decision not to make the adjustment."

In other words, he defended his right to knowing lie to the media and America. Lies, damn lies, and statistics, people.
 
2002-02-27 09:33:52 AM  
But see, it doesn't matter. They put the numbers out there yesterday it was on TV news and such, all over the place. Today they say 'oh those numbers were a little high' I bet I don't see any TV news people reporting that. Thats where most people are getting their news anyways. Ah the media...
 
2002-02-27 09:41:34 AM  
Matzug, when I was in high school, all the nice honor-student kids didn't buy alcohol; they just took their parents'.
 
2002-02-27 09:45:02 AM  
Come on, what's everyone so worked up about? Everyone knows that any lie (or anything else) is OK if it just gets people to refrain from er, self-medicating.
/sarc
 
VD
2002-02-27 09:47:20 AM  
Statistics don't lie -- people with bad math skills lie.

So, they oversample the kids to get better data, and forget they did that?

Then try to cover their asses by saying the kids were probably lying anyway? How about get less biased data?

This is one think tank that needs to do a little more thinking and a little less tanking.
 
2002-02-27 09:52:50 AM  
I liked my headline better:

Teen drinking study flawed. "We were drunk when we wrote the report," say researchers.
 
2002-02-27 09:53:19 AM  
Mythago: You can only steal so much alcohol from the 'rents at one time w/o them noticing. I never had that problem. I worked at a deli and a friend of mine was the daytime manager after school and we would just help ourselves to whatever beverages we liked after hours. It worked out well for us.
 
2002-02-27 09:56:11 AM  
Oh true, but where I went to school, parents didn't care much if the kids drank as long as they a) drank the good stuff b) didn't use *pot* (shudder) and c) kept it out of the rest of their lives. Nobody cared that the honor students and S.A.D.D. leaders were getting tanked every weekend on Daddy's good Scotch.
 
2002-02-27 09:57:13 AM  
Really good scientific detective work.
"We just kind of guestimated, even though it's only 11%. If we'd really done it the right way, we're positive it would have been 30%

BECAUSE WE SAY SO....THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN"

Farking MADD sponsered study.
 
2002-02-27 10:00:02 AM  
I wonder what % of the consumption was in the 18-20 year old bracket. I was 18 when I went to college, and let's just say my alcohol tolerance increased tremendously in that 2 year time period...
 
2002-02-27 10:02:18 AM  
The problem with statistics and reports like this is that there is always a political or financial agenda behind it. We must always take that into account.
 
2002-02-27 10:13:24 AM  
Right on the money Lexus2nv.

Time to drag out the old soapbox....

I do not care nor should I be forced to care about the offspring of those who chose to breed. The most infuriating part of the article:
"Whether children and teens drink 15, 25 or 30 percent of the alcohol consumed," the center insisted in a statement, "the reality is that America has an underage drinking epidemic."

Bull. The only "epidemic" in this country is the pleathora of baseless, fact-twisted so called studies that basically scream THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN in an attempt to sympathy/funding for special interest groups.

I've thought about the children, and they are an uncivilized, parent emulating, ignorant mass who deserve nothing from those of us without spawn.

/soapbox

Gee, I feel better.
Blah.
 
2002-02-27 10:14:54 AM  
39% of all statistics are just made up without any research anyway.
 
2002-02-27 10:21:14 AM  
I heard the figure was closer to 42% ChernobylOne.
 
2002-02-27 10:25:20 AM  
This is probably a real pain in the butt survey to conduct. They gave us a bunch of these surveys in high school and I knew a ton of people who filled out theirs to say that they had done crack, smoked, drank, etc., when they really hadn't. On the other hand, there were a lot of underage drinkers and the figure of 25% doesn't sound that far off to me. The cute little honor students would get wasted on the weekends from their parents' liquor shelf. I never saw the point of drinking just to get drunk, but I guess I'm just not cool enough for it.
 
2002-02-27 10:28:38 AM  

[image from carcino.gen.nz too old to be available] Beer Coolers prolly helped with the statistics

 
2002-02-27 10:28:49 AM  
Okay, time for Uncle Fumanshu's little rant here. First off:

It said that using the adjustment would bring the figure down to 11.4 percent, but added that it believed that percentage was low due to underreporting by the teens being surveyed; the fact that the survey doesn't account for binge drinking; and the fact that children under 12 weren't surveyed. Adding those factors in, it said, could raise the percentage of alcohol consumed by underage drinkers to 30 percent.

OK, the most glaring statement needs some clarification here: children under 12 weren't surveyed. Is the focus of this study supposed to be teenagers? Please, someone inform me, at what age do teenage years begin? Could it possibly be those years that are 10? 8? 5? Should we investigate drinking that begins in the womb? I can't count the number of times when I was a fetus (not scraping the wheel) and was hammered on Jack and Jagermeister.

So if we include those three factors in order to get to 30%, why not include the number of gerbils currently inhabiting Richard Gere's ass, and also add in the amount of lard contained within Roger Ebert? Multiply that number by 10^20, and I'm sure we'll get a suitable, accurate result.

"Whether children and teens drink 15, 25 or 30 percent of the alcohol consumed," the center insisted in a statement, "the reality is that America has an underage drinking epidemic."

Main Entry: 1ep·i·dem·ic
Pronunciation: "e-p&-'de-mik
Function: adjective
1 : affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time

People need to be reminded what constitutes an epidemic. The Black Plague was an epidemic. Stupidity is an epidemic.

The center's report included other analyses as well as a survey of 900 adults that together led to the conclusion that underage drinking is an epidemic. The survey found that 87 percent of adults who drink had their first drink before age 21.

What %age of those 87% of adults who had their first drink when 18 was the legal drinking age?

Most teens who experiment with alcohol continue using it. Among high school seniors who had tried alcohol, 91.3 percent still were drinking in the 12th grade.

This is just laughable. All that supposed "correcting" and they STILL didn't catch this? This statement just illustrates the banality of the entire study.

The Distilled Spirits Council of the United States immediately called the center's estimate "flat-out wrong...

Nothing to rant here, just thought it was cool that there's a Distilled Spirits Council. I'm imagining it to be something like the Jedi council. I can see it now:

Yoda: Drink or drink not, there is no "dry".

/end rant
 
2002-02-27 10:29:52 AM  
It's just farking alcohol. The drinking age should be 18, if you can die for this country, you should be able to drink. The drunk driving laws are strict enough, and should resemble the gun laws (remember, car wrecks kill people, not drunk drivers... right?)

In addition, when are we going to decrimanalize marajuana? Ridiculous that someone smoking a joint gets jail time, should just be a class C misdemeanor.
 
2002-02-27 10:33:54 AM  
Don't you all know that 65% of all statistics are made up? And the other half are never correct!
 
2002-02-27 10:34:08 AM  
oh please, like none of you ever drank in high school! i dout very much that underage drinking amounts to 25% of alcohol consumption.

And they are completely wrong about the information being inaccurate due to some people not responding to the survey. Apparently, they had an incredibly large sample size and once a sample hits 1,500, the number rarely budges and usually only does by a fraction of a percent. The fact that they are including 20 year olds in the same group as 15 year olds is completely unreal. I think that they should just lower the drinking age to 20. Why is it 21 anyway? Does anyone know the answer to that? i'm curious.
 
2002-02-27 10:45:21 AM  
I never drank in high school. I was rebelling.
 
2002-02-27 10:47:26 AM  
Everything is good in moderation and I'm out of Cragganmore. Thats some good shiat.
 
2002-02-27 10:53:04 AM  
Goto http://www.casacolumbia.org/ and click on the Feedback section to remind them that they are dumbasses.
 
2002-02-27 11:45:12 AM  
I like that despite the fact that the first paragraph of the article says that the facts were wrong and yet the rest of the article constantly refers to the other findings of the report as if THOSE findings are ok.

I also like how they lumped everyone from 12 to 20 in one big group. As if a 20 year old drinking is just as bad as a 12 year old drinking. Let's be rational. 12-20 year old consume 11.4% of the alcohol. Now out of that 12-20 year old range who do you think is consuming most of that alcohol? the 12-15 year olds or the 15-20 year olds? As you get closer to that magical arbirtary age of 21 the more likely you are to drink. as if 18-20 year old college kids NEVER drink alcohol?

So not only is the result wrong, it is also misleading because it makes people think that htere is an epidemic of 12 year olds drinking. Now of course there are some 12 year olds drinking, but doesn't it sound safe to assume that there are many many more 20 year olds drinking?
 
2002-02-27 11:58:13 AM  
It all starts with a beer, and before you know it: snuff films.

Irascible, do we have a mutual acquaintance named Turtle?
 
2002-02-27 12:15:04 PM  
After a night of heavy drinking I bet a lot of teenagers pull crap outta their ass...and probably also wonder what the hell was stuck in it as well.
 
2002-02-27 12:25:08 PM  
From that website:

"A child who reaches age 21 without smoking, abusing alcohol or using drugs is virtually certain never to do so."
- Joseph A. Califano, Jr., CASA Chairman and President


Duh.
We call them 'squares'.
 
2002-02-27 12:33:15 PM  
Stupid laws, stupid claims.
 
2002-02-27 12:40:47 PM  
"The consumption figure was actually 11.4 percent"...

but that didn't make a headline-grabbing story. So we came up with a bunch of what-if scenarios that allowed us to justify (to ourselves) throwing out a completely insane number of 25% that would surely get noticed.

Never underestimate how low the media will go to grab headlines and ratings.
 
2002-02-27 01:07:40 PM  
What surprised me the most in the article is their definition of "binge drinking": 4 drinks for a female and 5 for a male! Come on! This is rediculous! Although this many drinks in an evening can't be considered "taking it easy", they certainly don't qualify as a binge, either. I bet the farkheads who did this so-called survey have never even had a single drop of alcohol in their lives.
 
2002-02-27 01:16:59 PM  
The first thing I thought when I saw that article yesterday was "scam". These folks have a vested interest in promoting this bullcrap, as that is how they get their claws on more and more money (even from the tobacco restitution fund, another farkin government extortion scam) and political clout.

Close'em down, I say. They are full of shiat.

Oh yeah...get ready to get sued (extorted) by every farkin governmental agency in the world, all you guys in the booze business. Governments don't need fatcs or fiugures to hustle you up big time, just "feeling" and polls. Bullshiat!
 
2002-02-27 01:17:15 PM  
The first thing I thought when I saw that article yesterday was "scam". These folks have a vested interest in promoting this bullcrap, as that is how they get their claws on more and more money (even from the tobacco restitution fund, another farkin government extortion scam) and political clout.

Close'em down, I say. They are full of shiat.

Oh yeah...get ready to get sued (extorted) by every farkin governmental agency in the world, all you guys in the booze business. Governments don't need fact or figures to hustle you up big time, just "feelings" and polls. Bullshiat!
 
2002-02-27 01:26:14 PM  
This one shoulda had an OBVIOUS tag. Drinking kids makes the news, but its not really a problem. more kids get killed from driving while TIRED than drunk. That's why I am launching a "Force little johnny and susy to sleep at least 10 hours per night so they get better grades and don't kill themselves in sensless car wrecks nation wide network of concerned parents campaign" or FLJASSL10HPNTGBGDKTSCWNWNCPC for short
it will cost the taxpayers 507683 bazillion dollars a second, a price I am sure you are all willing to pay
 
Displayed 50 of 64 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report