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(NewsMax)   From the 'It couldn't happen to a nicer guy' department: Israelis wrap pigskin around the bodies of dead Palestinean terrorists to deprive them of paradise   ( divider line
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2002-02-28 01:48:30 AM  
I have heard of this being done... but I never believed people did it for real :)
2002-02-28 01:49:43 AM  
Why the hell is the COOL tag on for this
2002-02-28 01:49:44 AM  
damn, thats harsh. gotta love mankind's ingenuity.
2002-02-28 01:50:24 AM  
And the war goes on....

Pointless, utterly pointless. Not cool. It's shiat.
2002-02-28 01:51:33 AM  
This is such bullshiat. Drew is really whoring the company line with tags like this.
2002-02-28 01:52:12 AM  
Hmm mmm,I can forsee the consequences already:
1.Palestinians retaliate with their typical suicide bomb attack
2.Israelis retaliate on a settlement
3.World outcry.
4."Permanent" ceasefire/peace accord reached.
5.One side or both break ceasefire,go to 1,repeat ad naseaum.

It's pretty tiring.
2002-02-28 01:52:20 AM  
"Israeli settlers " => JEWISH OCCUPIERS

2002-02-28 01:52:47 AM  
It has gotta be pretty rough on the family to have a funeral with the deceased body crammed into a pig.
2002-02-28 01:53:21 AM  
Worst use of cool tag. Ever.

Question: by purchasing and using these pork products are the Israelis defiling themselves too?
2002-02-28 01:54:20 AM  
Were they kosher? ? ?
2002-02-28 01:54:42 AM  
Ouroborus: Come to think of it, this sort of makes this story less and less likely. This has urban myth stamped all over it.
2002-02-28 01:55:05 AM  
I've seen eight-year-old Pokemon traders go about their business with more tact and maturity than these two ASSCLOWNS of "nations"...
2002-02-28 01:55:31 AM  
Palestinians, however, insisted that the killers went to heaven anyway. "The keys to heaven are not in the hands of settlers," Hamas member Sheik Hassan Youssef told the newspaper.
There's something humorously childish about that statement.It's like two kids playing with GI Joes,and when one kid says he's killed and blown away the other kid's figures,the kid doesn't admit defeat and responds that his figures aren't dead,they're just very wounded.
"We defiled your dead so they aren't going to paradise!"
"Umm umm,they've gone to heaven anyway!"
2002-02-28 01:57:22 AM  
ya, someone willing to commit suicide and take out their "enemy" as much as possible will really change his mind once he finds out their body parts will be covered my pigskin...
2002-02-28 01:57:33 AM  
Sounds like two kids playing cowboys and indians.

They're not going to heaven.
They are to going to heaven.
No they're not.
Yes they are......
2002-02-28 01:58:25 AM  
It's the person who submits the article who chooses the tag, not Drew or a moderator.
2002-02-28 01:59:02 AM  
Anyhow,probably the best solution to the whole mess is to let both sides duke it out.If other Middle Eastern nations are so truly concerned about their Palestinian brothers,they can officially join in on the Palestinian side.

Israel would probably still win.
2002-02-28 02:00:19 AM  
Kthulhu, I think they call that a World War.
2002-02-28 02:00:19 AM  
Sadly the Sheik Hassan Youssef is correct, according to the koran when a muslim martyrs himself in a fatwah he immediately goes to heaven. No ammount of bacon slapped on one of these guys would keep them from going to heaven... all it will do is piss off the Palestinians a little more.
2002-02-28 02:00:27 AM  
Kanonball: Yeah, except that palestine has never been a nation. Ever. Not even for a short time. The Romans named the region palestine.
2002-02-28 02:00:30 AM  
Yeah, desecration of the dead is always cool. Hey, raise your hand if you posted this, I'd like to find your grandma's grave and hump her carcass. Thanks.
2002-02-28 02:00:41 AM  
fark THEM ALL.
drunk. bored. nukes. whatever
2002-02-28 02:02:28 AM  
Well duh!
2002-02-28 02:02:48 AM  
Lord - But who chooses the articles?
2002-02-28 02:02:50 AM  
This type of shiat reminds me why I'm an atheist. When two peoples, both with an absolute mandate on The Truth come into conflict, the absurdities are endless. The jews also walled up one of the gates of old jerusalem because in the koran, the messiah will enter through those gates to save the muslim people. Completely wacko.
2002-02-28 02:03:25 AM  
Kthulhu: Israel has won that war 5 times.
2002-02-28 02:03:47 AM  
I'd wrap them up in used lambskins, as in used condoms.
2002-02-28 02:08:06 AM  
Acemv-If they're hyper religious and willing to commit suicide to get heavenly favor and all them virgins,and touching pork will keep them from that,it might stop them.More secular Palestinians would probably do it for the same reasons as Thich Quang Duc did during the Vietnam War,namely to be martyred or draw attention in a way for the cause.Being wrapped in pork after death probably wouldn't bother them.But who knows...
2002-02-28 02:08:43 AM  
Charon: "Yeah, desecration of the dead is always cool."

Actually, Charon, the desecration of dead suicide bombers is ALWAYS cool. fark 'em.
2002-02-28 02:09:12 AM  
So a man wearing a pig skin can walk around anywhere in Israel without suspicion? Uh Oh....

Israeli Soldier:
Is that a scud missile under that bag of pork rinds?

Anonymous Person:

Israeli Soldier:
OK, move along.
2002-02-28 02:09:45 AM  
Bildo-I know they've done it once,but five times?Wow.Just proves my 02-28-02 01:59:02 AM post then.
2002-02-28 02:10:03 AM  
I hope someone wraps me in pork when I die. That or a nice juicy steak - I mean cow.
2002-02-28 02:10:52 AM  


According to a number of recent reports in the Israeli Media, the Israeli security forces have been increasingly troubled by an upsurge in hostile actions on the part of Jewish settlers. There are reports of acts against the Palestinian population, possible attempts to target high-ranking Israeli officials and the potential inception of a new Jewish underground.
2002-02-28 02:10:59 AM  

"all it will do is piss off the Palestinians a little more."

They can get pissed off more? Yeah, killing themselves isn't pissed off enough, now they'll have a more stern look on their face when they blow themselves up in a shopping mall full of women and children.
2002-02-28 02:12:25 AM  
Damn Yahoo, pic is here.
2002-02-28 02:13:04 AM  
Dammit, people, accept that palestinians have one religion, and Isreal has theirs! Honestly, I dont mind Muslims, Atheists or Buddhists (I know at least one person in each of the above) and im Christian. Were all seeking the truth to life, i believe ive found, they belive they have it, so were both happy. i dont blow them up and say "Your Wrong!" because i dont know that. In fact, I, myself may be wrong about the origins of life, but i picked the choice that made the most sense to me, just as they did. Dont fight for a few thousand years over it.
2002-02-28 02:14:42 AM  
I myself would like to see a renaissance of old fashioned siege machines like catapults and trebuchets. Can you imagine the Israelis with their tanks, jets, and choppers launching pigs (preferably whole, the sight is much funnier) out of settlements? Of course, they will have to buy their medieval siege weapons from the United States.
2002-02-28 02:15:19 AM  
I thought you went to heaven or hell based on what was in your heart, not what was wrapped around your body after the fact.

Guess I'm out of the loop.
2002-02-28 02:15:41 AM  
Hey , you got your PORK on my Palestinean !

Hey, you got your Palestinean on my pork !

two great tastes that taste great together !
2002-02-28 02:15:57 AM  
Awww how cute.
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2002-02-28 02:16:33 AM  

Best post I've seen in ages. Kudos!
2002-02-28 02:18:59 AM  
Oh yeah, defiling the dead really "cool".

And so are Israeli human rights abuses in palenstine, why don't we have a story about that.
2002-02-28 02:20:02 AM  
thank you , thank you very much
12 hour shift at work , makes ones mind very twisted
2002-02-28 02:21:48 AM  
Religion causing war is a very tired, overused, simplistic and primary school argument. It's always the acquisition and possession of land that causes war. Always.
2002-02-28 02:23:00 AM  
Mask: there are non muslim palestinians, you know.
2002-02-28 02:24:11 AM  
LordWatson: I have had articles which I submitted posted with a different tag. Apparently you can't call President Bush a [image from too old to be available] but defiling corpses is unarguably [image from too old to be available]. Very unprofessional. If I were an advertiser my opinion might matter..
2002-02-28 02:24:27 AM  
*deep breath, I can't believe I'm doing this, but..*

Hoosier Nature vs nurture. Just because that kid has parents who find it suitable to pose him for a pic holding a gun doesn't mean he should be blown to bits.

I doubt he even knows how to fire it.
However, (before you respond) yes, he will know how to, soon enough. I'm just at a loss these days, when does it end? And how? We don't dare nuke them, so what next?

I cannot believe I sound like a pacifist right now.
2002-02-28 02:24:51 AM  
Problem solved. Send in the crematorium guy from Georgia to "care" for the bodies. 331 and counting last I heard! Is that slack or what?
2002-02-28 02:25:53 AM  
I think it's talk like this that gives "the other white meat" a bad name.
2002-02-28 02:27:21 AM  
Hell with all that wastefull airport security. Just make the door to the cockpit out of porkchops. Problem soved.
2002-02-28 02:28:07 AM  
Israeli soldiers sell their weapons to Palestinians to buy drugs.

Palestinians use weapons to kill Isrealis.

Enraged Israeli army shoots Palestinian taking his pregnant wife to hospital.

Enraged Palestinians... etc...

It's all arse isn't it? How 'bout building an "Escape from New York" style wall round the whole region?
2002-02-28 02:29:59 AM  
bologna flaps ?
2002-02-28 02:31:17 AM  
Scaryduck: what the fark are you talking about? where did you get that shiat from?
2002-02-28 02:31:25 AM  
Kanonball: I think you're getting confused with "beef curtains", which will only keep Hindi terrorists out.
2002-02-28 02:31:44 AM  
Now I'm not saying *I* would have put a COOL tag on the story, but ever since that whole Georgia thing popped up, it does appear that corpse defilement is the new trendy thing to do.

It might just be hotter than that silly two wheeled scooter thing.
2002-02-28 02:31:58 AM  
The whole region is farked up. Any and all governments which are based fanatically on a single religion should be abolished.
2002-02-28 02:32:01 AM  
You know...I usually just let this sort of thing roll off me, but the COOL tag just doesn't sit right with me either. That's ASININE of the poster/moderator who set that tag. Both side are a bunch of farkwits. I say wrap them all in pigskin when they die. But you know...there's no way that's COOL either.
2002-02-28 02:33:01 AM  
or oprhah ( however the fark it's spelled )
2002-02-28 02:34:09 AM  
I think this is pretty cool...i mean, think about it:

Some asshole comes running into your settlement and blows himself up, killing your mom and favorite goat. What can you do? You just lost your mom and goat, and are filled with rage, but can't hurt the dead bomber. So you do the only thing you can think of, defile the corpse, and hope he can't go to heaven now. This happened to two IDF soldiers who were caught during the breakout of the third Intifada, they're bodies were shredded and thrown out a window.

So whatever, it is a cool idea.
2002-02-28 02:34:39 AM  
In other news: Ashcroft SINGS!
2002-02-28 02:37:08 AM  
Girthnpower: BBC2 Correspondant programme last Sunday night. Summary: The Israeli army is mostly conscripts who don't give a shiat about anything else other than serving their time. Drug use is a way of life, even selling their weapons to the Palestinians in Jenin to get money for their adictions. Frightening viewing. Your government has a copy if you want to see it.
2002-02-28 02:42:37 AM

nothing new here.
2002-02-28 02:43:42 AM  
Ooops one two three four...
2002-02-28 02:44:32 AM  
"It is sad that our only defense is a pigskin. There is a war on, and all we can do is send someone up to a kibbutz to buy some pork to defend us."

Not sure why but that just cracks me up.
2002-02-28 02:44:34 AM  
I'm a good American...
One Two Three Four...
2002-02-28 02:47:55 AM - almost 300 Israeli soldiers refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories.

Desecrating the dead is cool? Oh, only if it's the "enemy" being desecrated, I see. I just love hardliners.

Suck on this:
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2002-02-28 02:51:38 AM  
if the pigskin doesn't work, maybe stuffing 'em full of fried pork rinds will do the trick.
2002-02-28 02:51:42 AM  
PlatinumDragon: I see your doctored Isreal/Palestine flag and I raise you this:

[image from too old to be available]

*runs for cover*
2002-02-28 02:52:08 AM  
The Hell with BOTH regions. Blow their asses UP. Nuke them. I'm sick and god damn tired of those two never being able to achieve peace. If we're ever going to have a World War 3, I won't feel so bad about tens of millions dying so long as we started with these idiots.

Geezus. Makes me wish that magical fairies and crap like that really existed. One of the first things I'd wish for, would be a giant snow globe or spiders-web like material to encase the entire region, let them all fight each other until they've all eventually starved to death or run out of breathable oxygen. See how they feel THEN.

"You can't come out until you cooperate."


*gasp* *choke*
2002-02-28 02:58:26 AM  
It's sad.. these NewsMax-reading Freepers are the same ones who write letters to NBC saying they're so mortally offended by Bill Maher suggesting that the President might be incorrect about something.. and now they're gloating about people's corpses being defiled.

No shame. No shame at all.
2002-02-28 03:00:07 AM  
WOW, that is really cool. we should drop pigs from our bombers on those heathen arabs so they get killed by falling swine. i bet allah wouldn't really appreciate that very much. it'd be cool too if everyone dipped their bullets in pigs blood before killing an arab. we should drop hundreds of the biggest, fattest pigs the U.S. can produce on Mecca. that would be super-duper cool. maybe someday we'll be able to clone killer pigs that search out Muslims to eat.
2002-02-28 03:01:41 AM  
Scaryduck: I like that. Your work? Mind if I keep it and use it sometime?

Rebrane: Always remember; Dinesh D'souza told Maher first that the hijackers couldn't be called cowards. He started it and got no flak from the FReepers.
2002-02-28 03:06:51 AM  
PlatinumDragon: It's (almost) my work and you may use it anytime. The original idea came from a Big Country album "Peace in our Time". And that's showing my age. And my dodgy musical taste.
2002-02-28 03:06:59 AM  
Ill call your USAR flag and raise you the deadly alliance against america.... mexanada!

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2002-02-28 03:08:19 AM  
Worst use of cool tag. Ever.
Amen Dude

Sounds like a waste of a good swine skin to me.
2002-02-28 03:23:27 AM  
yeah. COOL should be replaced by ASININE. They care about their dead bodies just as we do about the Sep 11. victims.
2002-02-28 03:28:58 AM  
oh, now see I'll be the first to get fired up about 9/11. But how do you reason with animals?

1)Bomb within 24 hours the sites of Al'Queda (post 9/11)
2)Call in anyone with ties, within 24 minutes.

But that's just me.

No warning (like we had any..) and no Mr. nice Prez
2002-02-28 03:29:18 AM  
Riiight Smirnoffice. Our 3000 Sep 11 suicide bombers?
2002-02-28 03:30:32 AM  
Forget Mexanada - hello, Cannibanada!
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2002-02-28 03:46:43 AM  
LOL I was just gonna open up a new asshole on the stupid farker that thought this was cool until I saw all the ass-reaming already...cooled me off a bit...(And not a stupid silly paraniod trick the jews like to play. The orthadox ones are really insane). I'm looking for my link I had to an article last summer where planes with jews flying around in israel were purposely avoiding flying directly over graveyards...some magic "beam" or some shiat that goes straight up out of the graves will defile them, same as walking over a graveyard. Stupid dorks. They get all they deserve (Still pissed at my $37 fine for posession of a New Testament over there, and them asking if my relatives were "Nazis" since I had some German blood in me. Grandpa was in the Luftwaffe, but I wasn't telling THEM that. Ass-munchers!
2002-02-28 03:47:47 AM  
Defiling corpses is a helluvalot cooler than defiling live people while they try to do such warlike things as go shopping.
2002-02-28 03:48:01 AM  
With one exception, all you Farkers calling Drew a putz, or biatching about the COOL tag have pretty high membership numbers.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You have a right to your opinion, as do others. You might want to let it slide a bit when someone offends you, as you would expect others to do when the positions are reversed.

My personal opinion is that defiling the dead is pretty uncool, but it's far cooler than suicide bombing a bunch of civilians.
2002-02-28 03:48:52 AM  
A few tweaks and...

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Naturally, the national anthem's gonna be "Because I got High"
2002-02-28 03:49:12 AM  
Worst case of flamebait rigging ever. So instead of reading yet an other example of biting each others head off trying to support either the palestinians or the israelis I bid you farewell in this thread, some c4 under the seat of the person who labbeled this 'COOL' and a cheesy end tune.

Saddle up boys, and sharpen your scytes
2002-02-28 03:53:53 AM  
Gah... would you believe I originally had the flag like that because the original .gif I used for the flag was indexed to 2 colors? I really wanted the green in the leaf, though; I think that's an essential part of depicting the plant.

I woulda picked "Get Up, Stand Up" by Marley, myself, even though it's not weed-related; toke just goes good with any Marley tune.
2002-02-28 03:56:28 AM  
OK just out of curiosity, how many americans can tell me off the top of their head one of the colours on the Aussie flag??? OK that's just arrogant ranting their but it really pissed me off over their everyone got the flag wrong - and you sing about your red white and blue when the same colours are used by FIFTY OTHER COUNTRIES!!! OK, I must calm down now - where is that hot tub flash??? Aaaaaahhh that's better.
2002-02-28 04:10:14 AM  
what about the pig!?!?
2002-02-28 04:15:58 AM  
Re: the whole 'holey land' thing:

"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
-Ripley, Aliens
2002-02-28 04:16:14 AM  
Ivory, it uses the same corolrs as ours, but the stars are arranged in the shape of a constellation of the southern cross, with the union jack in the upper right corner.

I won my States Geography Bee :)
2002-02-28 04:17:08 AM  
Drew this is sick. Just because you are in talks with a jewish investor about FARK doesn't mean you should immediately start labeling the dirty acts of the Israelis as cool.
2002-02-28 04:19:12 AM  
Sadly, not the spelling bee. Colors.
2002-02-28 04:20:36 AM  
For an extra challenge, count:

1) How many people make degrading comments about Arabs and Muslims, implied or direct.

2) How many people make anti-Judaic comments, implied or direct.
2002-02-28 04:21:25 AM  
Since its on Newsmax its truthfullness contant is probably below 10%
2002-02-28 04:24:40 AM  
This reminds me of the rumour that non-religious jews (mostly russian jews, who actually like to eat pork) drop small pieces of pork on the site of a bombing in Israel.

Since there are always ultra orthodox jews walking around after a bombing, gathering every single small piece of human flesh for burial, they are bound to accidentally pick up some pork as well. Makes the ultra orthodox jews furious.
2002-02-28 04:45:52 AM  
now that's new to me
and i live here...

Dat Israely Guy
2002-02-28 04:53:23 AM  

Don't confuse the flag problem with American ignorance; it's really just a deep-seated antipathy for the whole Yahoo Serious bit in the 80s. What the hell were you guys thinking?

All kidding aside, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like. You've been good allies in peace and war.

That said, I'd NEVER to try to outdrink one of you.

2002-02-28 05:03:02 AM  
PlatinumDragon has the answer to most of this shiat....

And by the way, you don't see groups of jews hijacking jets and suicide bombing. The Palestinians might have been "hanging out" there first, but their terrorist actions have shown that they don't give a fark about any kind of peace. They just wanna kill Jews because they are close by.
If they had more money and resources, they would probably be trying to repeat the atrocities of the third reich.
fark 'em. Kill all the terrorist motherfarkers. It seems that the Israelis are just defending themselves. You think they'd be starting shiat with anybody otherwise? Doubt it.
If the Israelis were'nt nearby, the Palestinians would be farking with the next people in line. If someone is living where you want to live, you don't firebomb the whole neigborhood.
2002-02-28 05:11:23 AM  
Jazel - You need to read more books before you start talking.
2002-02-28 05:15:52 AM  
So Jaze do you advocate some sort of "Final solution" just killing all Palestinians.

If your country was occupied by a foreign army would you not fight back?
2002-02-28 05:18:58 AM  
I can't believe the racism on this thread. It's insane. Cool my arse.

I saw a very interesting film made about how similar the Israeli state is to the old South African Apartheid state. I think the people on this thread are behaving in a way disturbingly similar to the way conservative whites behaved and still behave when confronted with the disgusting behaviour of those they've sided with, or people doing bad things. The Israelis are not just defending themselves. They're trying to keep land they stole. The Palestinians are not just terrorists. They are fighting a war to get back land they feel was stolen.

How come everyone who doesn't agree with you is a terrorist. You can bomb them, butif they hit back, they're "evil". You both are. Isn't it obvious that war is war? It's sick, it's crap, and it's just as sick and crap if white people do it...

You're the tree huggers really. You just only hug one kind of tree: Yours.
2002-02-28 05:25:39 AM  
Erm... Jaze? Not all the Palestinians are terrorists.

Survey of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories

A lot of the Palestinians, perhaps most, are willing to settle for a state in the West Bank and Gaza, even though their ancestors come from the entire region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Many still want the right to return to their ancestors' lands in Israel, but there are also those willing to settle down, as long as Israel pulls its military out and stops trying to colonize the West Bank and Gaza.

This is not a denial of the existence of hardcore militants that will take nothing less than the complete elimination of Israel, whether that mean the establishment of a secular state, or just killing all the Jews (the former of which smells like a cover for the latter, though not always). However, like Israelis, Palestinians are not all a faceless, monolithic group that all think the same thing. Not all Israelis are hardcore settlers looking to occupy all the land up to the Jordan and kill Arabs, and not all Palestinians are anti-Judaic mujihadeen looking to martyr themselves.
2002-02-28 05:31:24 AM  
Jazel149 And by the way, you don't see groups of jews hijacking jets and suicide bombing

no there were never any fanatical terrorists of jewish origin in palestine....
2002-02-28 05:35:43 AM  
that cool tag can get f¨³cked.
2002-02-28 05:36:55 AM  
Why the hell would you nuke a country that has fark all to do with you? I don't give a shiat about them. I don't give a shiat about any of the countries that fight. I don't give a shiat about Catholics and Protestants in N. Ireland.

This is how we get the reputation of being a bunch of bossy pricks, who stick their noses in other people's business.
2002-02-28 05:44:33 AM  
2002-02-28 05:46:22 AM  
Its also bollocks, as someone pointed out Jewish people have just as great a taboo about pork as Muslims (because one religion is decended from the other)
2002-02-28 05:59:56 AM  
Christian crusaders were the first to do this against the Muslims way back when, and it did scare the hell out of them.

Right now, I'm tired of everyone. Half the Jews and Muslims here at school want peace and all that, but the other half who have actually lived in the area all say "They won't stop until we're all dead, so we have the moral right and responsibility to kill them first." Literally. Both sides. It's HOPELESS.

Use nukes to make a canal around Israel/Palestine and turn it into an island, and airdrop millions of make-up kits/condoms/kegs/porn, and millions of guns. If on the inside they're regular civilized folk, they'll use the first set of stuff. If they decide to use the second, we cover our ears, turn around, and don't let any of them spread their war over here.
2002-02-28 06:04:57 AM  
can't pass up a Homerism:

2002-02-28 06:06:04 AM  

You see, some people believe that it's great for the American arms industry to supply weapons to Izrael, even thought the American government pays for them with taxpayer dollars as military aid. The big question is, why the fark should you pay for their war.
2002-02-28 06:17:43 AM  
"Not all the Palestinians are terrorists."

True, but a surprisingly high number of suicide bombers ARE terrorists.

A lot of you people seem to be in such a hurry to be outraged that you're overlooking the fact that these were terrorists of the same ilk that flew into the WTC and brutally murdered a journalist. Do you really care how their bodies are treated?

I think Israel is just as bad if not worse than any of the countries we currently view as hostile, and it sickens me that we take their side. However, I see nothing noble about killing innocent people with suicide bombings. If you're so farking brave, do it like a man and fight with other soldiers.
2002-02-28 06:22:54 AM  
I sort of thought that the body of a suicide bomber would be pretty difficult to recover. I have this mental image of horsdouvres (sp?). Little bits of towel head wrapped in bacon with a toothpick through it. :-)
2002-02-28 06:28:05 AM  

Do you really care how their bodies are treated? .. I see nothing noble about killing innocent people with suicide bombings. If you're so farking brave, do it like a man and fight with other soldiers.

I see nothing brave or good about messing around with a dead body.
2002-02-28 06:31:20 AM  
Enemy Frank:
a surprisingly high number of suicide bombers ARE terrorists

How very insightful!
2002-02-28 06:31:26 AM  
EnemyFrank: I posted that in reply to Jaze's post which came dangerously close to calling all Palestinians terrorists, which is not true. I don't see anything brave about attacking civilians, either.

Defending against military incursions, on the other hand, is something I have no problem with, and the military forces should be pulled, pronto. The Israeli settlements, while illegal under UN resolutions and Oslo, shouldn't be attacked by gunmen and bombers; I've heard of nonviolent protests against bulldozing of land wanted by the settlers, so it's not as if there are no other options. Israel had no problem forcing settlers out of the Sinai after coming to an agreement with Egypt after the 1967 (I think) war, though I doubt the settlers would like it very much, and I know Sharon is hell-bent on expanding settlements instead of dismantling them.

Can we just revive Yitzhak Rabin in exchange for Sharon? Or Yigal Amir, the guy who killed Rabin? Oh, and can we package up the leaders of the militant movements and drop them in a cold place somewhere? Arafat may have a huge problem with trying to make everyone happy at the same time, but remove one major influence on him (ie; the hardline militants who won't stop until every last Israeli is swimming back somewhere), and he'll play peace very quickly. He's a survivor, and I think at this point he'll take any conclusion, as long as he's left alive. Best to offer him a peaceful way out that will marginalize the hardline elements (pull out the military, get the settlers out and call his bluff), rather than leave him little option but to support further attacks on civilians (keep right on doing what Sharon's doing now)
2002-02-28 06:37:05 AM  

Apparently I'll have to use humor tags when you're in the house.


Anything that might deter the next suicide bomber is ok with me.

Are you people actually sympathizing with these savages?
2002-02-28 06:41:30 AM  
Enemy Frank:
Sorry mate, a little early in the day to recognise sarcasm. I'll go and buy a double expresso before I make any more comments.
2002-02-28 06:42:16 AM  
Anything that might deter the next suicide bomber is ok with me.

Great .. you really believe that is going to work? Why don't you just get a voodoo doll and start sticking pins in it??
2002-02-28 06:42:42 AM  
The ones who decide civilians are legitimate targets, no.

The ones who whip rocks at oncoming Israeli tanks, or just try to live under military occupation and obstruction, hell yes.

And the children... they are the ones I sympathize for most of all. Israeli and Palestinian, since they're the ones who will have to undergo programming from their opponent-hating parents - or just watch their peace-wanting parents live in despair of a bright future. Those children will either decide to work for a lasting peace, or join the IDF to kill Palestinians/Hamas or Islamic Jihad to kill Israelis.

If you don't stop looking at them all as savages, they'll never stop looking at you as an oppressive force, because that's all you'll ever treat them as - and them, you. Someone needs to take the first step away from complete antagonism, even if only to fail and inspire others.

Idealistic, perhaps - but I have my own dreams and hopes, some of which may involve going over there to do what I can, if anything. I'll see.
2002-02-28 06:48:19 AM  

No prob - sorry if I sounded a bit harsh.


I've tried that. It doesn't seem to be working. Seriously though, whether it works or not, why does everyone care so much? These were bad, defective humans (and I use that term loosely). We're better of without them, and I just can't see a downside to any bad treatment of their bodies.

I believe it was Suicidal Tendencies who said: "Two wrongs don't make a right - but they make me feel a whole lot better."
2002-02-28 06:51:10 AM  

I only referred to the terrorists as savages, not all Palestinians. I stand by that statement.
2002-02-28 06:54:50 AM  
Threr is a Palistinian state, part of the Balfor declaration
declared that jordan was also TO be part of the Jewish state, but the jews gave it up for peace. Jordon is the Palistinian state.
2002-02-28 06:56:41 AM  

To be honest EF I do not understand how you can get enjoyment out of messing around with a dead body. I think it is a question of morals.
2002-02-28 07:00:11 AM  

The real enjoyment starts with the deboning processs. First you take a large, I mean, what are you implying? That I mess around with bodies? Who told you that? What do you know about the beans?

Good day sir!
2002-02-28 07:03:09 AM  
A lot of you people seem to be in such a hurry to be outraged that you're overlooking the fact that these were terrorists of the same ilk that flew into the WTC and brutally murdered a journalist.

By ilk, do you mean the same Ethnic type? If so then most Israelis are pretty much arabs as well. Does this mean that white people are responsible for everything any white person does?
2002-02-28 07:03:23 AM  
Well, with the possible exception of Kazamak if you take the implication of his statements, I haven't seen any support of the terrorist operations, only criticism of Israel's treatment of its Palestinian subjects, and support for resistance within the West Bank and Gaza, so I'm trying to figure out who that "Are you people actually sympathizing with these savages?" was aimed at.
2002-02-28 07:08:21 AM  
I dont think anyone could argue that the Palestinians do not have a legitimate grievence and a legitimate right to fight back against occupation.

At the same time I dont think anyone agrees with Suicide bombings against civilain targets.

Do we agree, or this being fark does saying that nake me some sort of terrorist myself?
2002-02-28 07:13:12 AM  

Wrongo, boyo. The Balfour Declaration originally included the Transjordan as part of the future Jewish state. However, that was later disregarded, and Jordan was changed to a Hashemite monarchy-ruled state, not a Palestinian Arab state. The region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean was to be split between the Jews and Arabs, 55% and 45% respectively.

The years leading up to 1948 were just a spectacular mess, with atrocities by both sides, that would take pages to explain. However, there were Arabs living in the Palestine before 1948, before 1917 for that matter, and their descendants are the Palestinian refugees living within the Occupied Territories, in parts of the surrounding Arab nations, and around the world.

If I recall, the West Bank Palestinians tried to knock over the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan when that nation controlled the West Bank, and lost. Miserably.

Suffice it to say, the Israelis aren't going into the sea, and the Palestinians aren't going into the desert.

The peace plan advanced by Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is effectively the same concept that's been advanced fifty times before by people serious about peace in Israel and Palestine. It's only special because this time a powerful Arab leader is advocating the plan, rather than an Israeli civilian or Palestinian. I think the collective cry you hear all over the joint these days is "About freaking time an Arab leader said it and meant it - OK, ball's in your court Arik!"

I really hope Sharon won't be stubborn on this one, but I hold little hope, and I also hope one of the hardline factions won't try to be martyrs and completely destabilize this chance, but I'm not holding much hope for either set of warhawks to suppress their baser urges.
2002-02-28 07:13:30 AM  
Next use of the 'cool' tag:
"Palestinians decide Israels are kosher, eat them to preserve resources"

You, sirs, are utter dumbasses.
2002-02-28 07:15:23 AM  
Sharon has opposed every single peace deal for the last 20 years.

I dont have much hope he will go for this one, his govt contains a lot of extremists who believe in a greater Israel and wish to expell all the arabs in the west bank and gaza.
2002-02-28 07:17:16 AM  
It has already been established that you are a terrorist.
2002-02-28 07:17:29 AM  
To be a bit more precise about the two-state solution advocated up until 1948... I shouldn't have referred to one side as 'Jews', as there was a small Arab Jewish population in the area. I refer to the settlers arriving from around the world to build Israel. 'Zionists' might have been a better term, though unless one is very careful with the language it can easily be misinterpreted as an anti-Judaic euphemism. Suffice it to say, one state would have gone to the new arrivals, and one would have gone to the current residents. I doubt even that would have worked very well, as the two populations were still intermingled, and bureaucrats drawing arbitrary lines on maps has rarely worked (see: Pakistan, India, and Kashmir)
2002-02-28 07:30:04 AM  
If the only thing that deters suicide bombers is forbidden access to Heaven. I say let the pigs blood flood the street!

Too bad the Jews don't like pig parts either.

Mmmmm pulled pork sammich
2002-02-28 07:34:34 AM  
Thats nonsense Brisvegas

say that again and I will have to blow you up!

2002-02-28 07:43:10 AM  
Latest news:

Israel denies its soldiers trapped in school

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian gunmen say they have trapped up to 14 Israeli soldiers at a school in the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank during fierce fighting following an Israeli raid, but the Israeli army denied it.

One gunman, contacted by mobile telephone at the camp near the northern West Bank city of Nablus, said the fighters had surrounded the troops and were refusing Palestinian Authority appeals to release them.

Another fighter, from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade force affiliated to President Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction, hinted that the trapped soldiers might not get out alive.

"We will not accept any kind of negotiations," the fighter said.

An Israeli army statement said troops had taken over the school as part of an operation to crush what it called a "terrorist infrastructure" at the teeming refugee camp, the biggest in the West Bank.

"There is no siege on the soldiers in the building. Palestinian claims in this regard are baseless," it said.

Other Palestinian sources said an Israeli Apache helicopter had fired on the fighters blocking the soldiers, wounding one gunman. They said the troops were wearing black, indicating they were special forces.

At least nine Palestinians and one Israeli soldier were killed on Thursday when Israeli forces raided Balata and another refugee camp in the northern West Bank town of Jenin.

The Palestinian Authority accused Israel of mounting the assaults to scupper a Saudi initiative to end 17 months of Israeli-Palestinian violence.
2002-02-28 07:43:53 AM  
NewsMax, what a shiatrag.......
2002-02-28 07:44:54 AM  
Wow, a whole lot of people are in an uproar over what some religious fanatics are doing to the corpses of some other religious fanatics on the other side of the world.

I'm trying really hard to care. Really, I am. I want to be hip and cool and all up on current events and play sensitive about this whole Israel Palestine Jewish thing so maybe chicks will dig me and my goatee when I'm sitting in the campus Starbucks, but it's just not happening.
2002-02-28 07:46:09 AM  
Maybe the Palestinians and the Israelis will annihilate each other, then we can level and grade the region and put up a Wal-Mart.
2002-02-28 07:48:18 AM  
Damn, wish I'd kept my goatee. I'm glad there's no Starbucks on my campus, as I avoid the joint anyway - the coffee is disgusting.

If only being conscious would get me da chickz... if that were true, I would have started getting aware about this shiat years ago!

Does get me a lot of concerned looks, though.
2002-02-28 07:50:07 AM  
Oh, what a load of horseshiat.

What idiots. Arguing over whether or not someone is going to heaven or not.

Any god that might actually exist is either a psychotic tormentor who orgasms over misery, or doesn't give a FlyenFuque about anything that's going on.

You sure can't prove otherwise from the conditions on earth. The christian/jew/muslim thing is nothing but condensed misery.

Fools. Live now as best you can, because you're only so much rotting meat when you die. The only afterlife you get is in someone's memory.

Heaven... shiat, how gullible can you get?
2002-02-28 07:51:14 AM  
I was the one who picked this tag.

I stand by it. It couldn't happen to nicer people. It may be a bit much to deprive them of paradise in that manner since they are going to hell anyways.

I'd say that Suicide Bombers already defiled their corpses by blowing them up. Some pigskin isn't gonna cause that much defiling by comparison. :)

I'd say that while alot of Palestineans want just the West Bank and Gaza, the majority want all of Israel. Not surprising that the majority of a Muslim area is making a moronic choice, since the majority of the Muslim world is still in denial over the 19 hijackers being Arab, the US bombing Afghanistan and so on.

Screw the Palestineans and the Suicide bombers.

2002-02-28 07:56:21 AM  
Is there a tag for

2002-02-28 07:57:05 AM  
Actually I would change sick to sad.
2002-02-28 08:01:48 AM  

If Palestine liked their land so much, they shouldn't have teamed up with 6 other countries to try to push the Jews into the ocean in 1967. I'm disappointed Israel gave back any of the land when they whipped their arab asses in 7 days. They should have rolled into Cairo and kept it all.
2002-02-28 08:06:52 AM  
The Palestinians' problems stem not from the Jews, but from Palestinian leaders who collectively have shiat for brains. All the leadership wants to do is pick a fight with someone - race or nationality be damned. They picked a fight with Jordan several years ago and got their asses kicked out of Jordan. They picked a fight with Israel and got 'em kicked again. The leadership is the problem.
2002-02-28 08:09:11 AM  
Did you hear the Saudi proposed peace plan a few days back? It is in their best intrest to be a peacemaker in the region. (They know they are getting in bad graces since 9/11).

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- Crown Prince Abdullah and European Union Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana discussed the prince's proposal for Middle East peace Wednesday, Saudi sources said.

Solana, who met Tuesday with Ariel Sharon, said the Israeli prime minister was interested in the plan and was willing to talk with Saudi officials, publicly or privately.

Solana cut short his visit to Israel to fly to Saudi Arabia for a meeting with Crown Prince Abdullah.

The Saudi prince has said that he has been considering a proposal for the Arab world to normalize relations with Israel -- providing the country with assurances of security -- in return for Israel withdrawing from the Palestinian territories, going back to borders which existed before the 1967 Six Day War.

After meeting with Abdullah, Solana boarded a flight to Cairo, where he was expected to talk with Amr Moussa, the Arab League secretary general, as well as Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. He will then go to the Jordanian capital of Amman for talks with King Abdullah, his spokeswoman said..

Israel Radio quoted a Saudi official Wednesday as saying Saudi Arabia does not intend to get directly involved in peace negotiations. The diplomat said the proposal is intended to send a signal to Israelis that peace is possible.

President Bush called Abdullah on Tuesday to express his appreciation for the initiative. Saudi officials have said that peace in the region must involve direct talks between Israel, the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer called the Saudi proposal a "vision" for settling the conflict. He said the United States would continue to pressure Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to curb violence in the region so that the two parties can start implementing a series of proposals from a commission headed by former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell.

The Mitchell plan calls for a cease-fire, a cooling-off period during which confidence-building measures would be put in place and the resumption of peace talks.

One senior U.S. official said the Saudi initiative was significant but "isn't doable" until Israeli-Palestinian violence subsides. "The short term needs to be about what we can all do to help the sides climb down," the official said. (Full story)

Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza since the Six Day War but began granting Palestinians limited self-rule in 1993 under the Oslo accords. The territory controlled by Arafat's Palestinian Authority remains dispersed and intersected by Israeli civilian and military installations.

Egypt and Jordan are the only Arab states that formally recognize Israel.
2002-02-28 08:09:26 AM  
Some people are all for the idea of just nuking the whole lot of them, while others violently protest this sort of violent protest. I don't see anyone pointing out the REAL solution here.

Yes, we nuke it. We turn this so-called "Holy Land" into so much irradiated glass, unfit for even microbial life. But we don't harm any innocent people - we chase everybody out of the area first, then start dropping bombs.

It's like when the kids are in the back seat fighting over the Ninja Turtles action figure, and Daddy takes the toy away and throws it out the window. No toy, no fight.
2002-02-28 08:13:06 AM  
i read just enough of these comments to realise you guys are blind and stupid. it must be nice to sit about and accuse whoever did the bad thing at the time. i'm laughing at this article, and anyone who sat around saying this isn't cool, fark this, fark that, defiled corpses.. who gives a flying crap what you do to the body of some worthless pile of crap that thought so little of human life to blow up theirs and other peoples.. you guys are sick, grow up, their is no utopia, it's impossible, the only way to reach absolute peace is for everyone to die. so give up on it and learn that there will always be bad people. including yourself.
2002-02-28 08:13:33 AM  

I think I've made my point.
2002-02-28 08:13:36 AM  
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2002-02-28 08:18:01 AM  
You're right Jester. Everything is black and white, so simple. We shouldn't even try to think since it's futile. We should just masturbate and play GTA3 all day. (Thank God I'm in America!)
2002-02-28 08:20:49 AM  
oh sorry about that, for one moment i was trying to influence other people.. that's not my intent here.. damnit.. well, i'll go back to laughing at you guys who are actually all hung up on this and tied in little emotional balls of coronary hemoraging.. look at the armchair politicians ma, they's funny..
2002-02-28 08:25:22 AM  
frolixo.. do you think that was my point? did i say don't think? you people don't listen to each other, you don't actually think openly, you grab facts and apply them to your world view.. a generalisation but the people who don't do this know what i mean.. i'm pro thinking, but if you know anything about human nature and history bad people pop up all the time, do bad things, and if i were to go along with more than have of what i read in political message areas i'd say, aw damn, that hitler was bad, but lets not hunt him down, and let's not do anything we can to stop him.. sacrifice is part of life.. and some have to be made here..
2002-02-28 08:27:35 AM  
"I'd say that Suicide Bombers already defiled their corpses by blowing them up. Some pigskin isn't gonna cause that much defiling by comparison. :)"

Well maybe not, but how would you feel if you mommy died and the mortitian who handles her farked her corpse, i mean she won't notice right? She's already dead, And oh she died from a brutal rape so what difference does it make if he farkes her somemore?

BTW then he drives a pole thru her heart just to be sure she's not a vampire :)

Imagine that story got posted on FARK and someone used the COOL tag on it? Would it make you feel happy or perhaps a bit disturbed?

Lie down on the coach and tell me.

Ok, how was that for a flame? Am i doing alright?
2002-02-28 08:28:21 AM  
Jester, I am shocked and outraged at your babble. I happen to have a lot of experience at politics and I'm the CEO of a fortune 5000 company (SEI). I was the class treasurer in my middle school, and although I was impeached because of a fraud scandal, I know how the system works.
Like most of America's young retards, I don't really give a flying fark, but ranting is better than working, and invokes more thought than commenting on a "Heinz has more ketchup colors!" thread.
2002-02-28 08:29:46 AM  
Mandela about Israeli Apartheid

A letter written by Mandela to Thomas Friedman

To: Thomas L. Friedman (columnist New York Times)
From: Nelson Mandela (former President South Africa)

Dear Thomas,

I know that you and I long for peace in the Middle East, but before you
continue to talk about necessary conditions from an Israeli perspective,
you need to know what's on my mind. Where to begin? How about 1964. Let
me quote my own words during my trial. They are true today as they were

"I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black
domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society
in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal
opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve.
But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Today the world, black and white, recognise that apartheid has no future.
In South Africa it has been ended by our own decisive mass action in order
to build peace and security. That mass campaign of defiance and other
actions could only culminate in the establishment of democracy.

Perhaps it is strange for you to observe the situation in Palestine or
more specifically, the structure of political and cultural relationships
between Palestinians and Israelis, as an apartheid system. This is because
you incorrectly think that the problem of Palestine began in 1967. This
was demonstrated in your recent column "Bush's First Memo" in the New York
Times on March 27, 2001.

You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to
be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of
Palestinian refugees.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military
occupation and Israel is not a country that was established "normally"
and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not
struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just
like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.

In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour
Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it
occupied in 1967; that settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under
exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an
independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with
Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.

Israel was not thinking of a "state" but of "separation". The value of
separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the
Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could
have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If
this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular
democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of apartheid
not only de facto, but also de jure.

Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you
clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who
openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of
"I hate Arabs" and "I wish Arabs would be dead". If you also follow the
judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against
Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories
you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that
represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian
life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two
different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is
not recognised as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an
additional factor. The so-called "Palestinian autonomous areas" are
bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of
the Israeli apartheid system.

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just
in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel's racial
discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a
Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which
non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a "Jewish" state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of
Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of
gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically
incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules
of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a
civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from
the removal policies and apartheid policies respectively, shed light on
what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a
just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its apartheid

Thomas, I'm not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I'm not going to indulge
you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will
support you. If you want formal apartheid, we will not support you. If you
want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose
you. When you figure out what you're about, give me a call.
2002-02-28 08:31:45 AM  
Oh, then there must be some confusion Jester, for we are on the same page. I am pro-action and all for killing the farkers.
I just think Bush and gang are a little nuts and want a major war on many fronts. Rumsfeild reminds me of George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove.
2002-02-28 08:35:04 AM  
hey kung, how does my mother getting farked even compare to the bodies of murderous people, i wouldn't care if they were made into taxidermy displays labeled "this is the face of terrorism" i say you kill you lose any right to being treated decently.. but to you i'm probably a deranged individual.. but what are you going to do about it? yell at me, because violence wouldn't be nice, i deserve respect because what if someone hit your mom?
2002-02-28 08:35:41 AM  
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2002-02-28 08:37:30 AM  
frolixo, it's okay, i'm often confused.. i'm just here to say what i feel until i get bored at the reactions or they get repetitive.. i know they don't listen to what i say, simpley formulate a response.. it's all my therapist does too for that matter..
2002-02-28 08:37:33 AM  
The difference is the targetting of civilians. Palestinians definitely have a legitimate reason to be angry. And if they were blowing up Army bases, police stations, government institutions, that would be striking back against the government that oppresses them. But as long as there are Palestinians who attack the civilians and the rest of Palestine seems to be cheering them on (and I haven't heard any Palestinian voices arguing against the morality of bombing civilian establishments), it will be very hard for the Israel people to make peace.

If this was done to those Palestinians killed in protests or counter-attacks, that would be horrific. If they do it to a suicide bomber going after civilians, it's downright spiffy.
2002-02-28 08:37:52 AM  
I respect Mandela's word more then any ultra-conservative, far-right winger, Christian fundie, US president ass licking bigot like "RobbieFal".
2002-02-28 08:40:15 AM  
what's harmonia on about now? by the way, hi harmonia, been a while.. you ever going to apologise to me?
2002-02-28 08:41:50 AM  
Mandela should worry more about South Africa than the Middle East. Talk about a farked up place! I would rather be vacationing in Kabul than in South Africa. Highest murder rate in the world, and over 70% of the population is HIV positive. But I digress...
2002-02-28 08:43:42 AM  
sounds like a swinging party.. i just miss that bantu steven biko fellow.. he was cool.. but they killed him.. i've wanted to go to south africa for a while now.. maybe i should wait until the murder rate is at least second highest, eh?
2002-02-28 08:45:04 AM  
Frolixo, just take a condom with you and you'll be fine.
2002-02-28 08:46:20 AM  
i'm a scottish/german/norwegian/irish/welsh/cherokee deist/buddhist actually, and i'm serious.. so i guess i've been apologised too.. persistence pays off..
2002-02-28 08:47:23 AM  
LOL at Jester.
2002-02-28 08:48:03 AM  
left out american.. damn.. oh well, they don't like me here anyway..
2002-02-28 08:48:46 AM  
Mods, can we do something about this little anti-semetic git who is impersonating me?

Jester, I sont know what you need an apology for, Was it one of the sad little f*cks impersonating me that said something?
2002-02-28 08:49:51 AM  
you insulted me once based on an assumption and i fealt that you just ignoring my counter by pointing out it wasn't true warranted you admiting it, not pretending the conversation didn't happen.. but maybe you were busy..
2002-02-28 08:50:25 AM  
Are you sure it was me and not that little sh*t above?

check the profiles
2002-02-28 08:50:38 AM  
is fb in here posting and i can't see it? or is harmonia losing it?
2002-02-28 08:52:02 AM  
no it was you, i remember, it was the same day we had a hell of a time getting you to tell us what you think george bush should have done since you always pointed out how bad his decision was..
2002-02-28 08:53:01 AM  
have fun there harmonia.. tell the queen i said hello..
2002-02-28 08:54:05 AM  
please don't tell me you think i'm fb, he's an asshole, only farker i truly loathe..
2002-02-28 08:54:27 AM  
2002-02-28 08:55:08 AM  
You have done it before and the profile is right down your street, if it wasnt you why dont you condemn it then oh master of stupidity and ignorance.
2002-02-28 08:56:06 AM  
Jester the tone of your comments suggest that you are "bigger than all this discussion shiat".

how smallminded can you be? it's just that sort of arrogant attitude that causes conflicts.

engage, discuss and resolve....THE only way to develop understanding amongst people and bring about peace. it is sooo weak to just say "heck there are always going to be bad people doing bad things...nothing changes"

fark should be humourous but it can can also be full of insight...and incitement. this is a unique medium where people of all levels get to offer their 2 cents.

break down the barriers mate and stop being an elitest intellectual shiat
2002-02-28 08:57:29 AM  
Mail sent flamebait.
2002-02-28 08:59:28 AM  
Am I the only one who is tired of seeing these posts on Fark? I'll admit- it's a timely topic, and when something truly newsworthy happens (as opposed to something designed to shock or inflame existing levels of rage) it would be worthwhile to post. But I've waded through two threads in two days, filled with the same rhetoric and overt hatred.

I'd much rather see a Grammy's post. Or more domo-kun. I'd even prefer boobies (quite a statement as a heterosexual female). If I wanted to be confronted with the ramifications of the failure of Middle East Peace initiatives, I'd read the paper.
2002-02-28 09:00:57 AM  
Harmonia, you've got quite a fan base. A pathetic, impotent loser who spreads lies about himself on a website pretending to be some sort of a celebrity and a stalker. I think they both want sex with you, Harmonia. Show 'em what Scottish meat is made of!
2002-02-28 09:01:55 AM  

Contrary to what your stupid paranoid mind is telling you, I never have and never will setup or post under another account. I guess you just manage to make enough of an ass of yourself that you have pissed off some of the other 20,000 people that post here.

Go talk to Drew. Drew has the IP logs. Go waste his day. Stupid shiat.
2002-02-28 09:03:32 AM  
i'm not an elitest, i am however a realist, and whenever i TRY to have a discussion online in a base like this i hear a lot of people talking about theoretical politics and theoretical philosophy that is beautiful but not practical.. and the name calling and the stupidity, especially if people like fb are about are sickening.. i've done a lot of reading, studying, and listening but i still realise when there is no choice but to respond with brutal efficiancy, i wish it wasn't true, i really do, i'd like a world where people didn't kill each other.. but i can admit i'm wrong, if i came across elitest i'm sorry..

but i don't think these murders have rights anymore than i think insanity is a reason not to sentence a murderer to death or that tight pants make a fat ass sexier..
2002-02-28 09:06:42 AM  
actually, i'm not pissed at harmonia, i just wanted an apology so i could justify thinking the guy is cool even if my politics are different and i'm living in the evil america.. hehehe.. and my details might seem strange to you there harmonia but it's all true, i'm a loser, i'm broke, but i don't lie.. hehehe..
2002-02-28 09:07:04 AM  

Let me see if I got this right... you fancy yourself a pseudo-intellectual poser and you want to silence and dissenting opinions others may have. Especially anybody that might express their opinion with less grace than your Oxford charm you are so kind lay down on us.
2002-02-28 09:07:19 AM  
Whooo-eee...lookit all the angry people. Dibbitz schmibitz, I said more ham.

You know, when I get to heaven, I don't want 72 virgins. Even if you can talk them into headin down south, they treat you like a chew toy. No...I want 72 slutty girls. That's heaven.
2002-02-28 09:08:00 AM  

It seems that you have pre-determined the outcome of what is to be done with these disputed territories. The truth of the matter is that UN resolutions 242 and 348 gave Israel control over these regions as an occupying force until such time as the parties involved: Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Syria can come to an agreeable peace.

Egypt settled their territorial dispute with Israel in 1979. Israel dismantled dozens of settlements in the Sinai as part of its agreement with Egypt. As a kid, I remember when the Israeli army had to forcibly remove some settlers as part of the agreement.

Jordan settled their territorial differences with Israel with the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty of 1994. It should be a matter of relative simplicity to extend the provisions of this treaty to the 5% of "Palestine" in which sovereignty has not yet been finally determined. What we have today is a third party between Jordan and Israel in the form of the "Palestinian Authority" -- which has caused and will continue to cause immense problems to both Israel and Jordan.

It's interesting to note that Jordan had possession of the West Bank from 1948 to 1967, yet there were no "Palestinian" complaints of an occupation. You see, the "Palestinians", as they say in the vernacular, "have issues" with Jews.

Anyway, with regard to the West Bank and Gaza, 242 and 348 have been fully implemented. Syria has resisted negotiating a lasting peace over the Golan Heights because they refuse to address the Israeli pre-condition of peace.

So the settlements are, in fact, legal and are not the real issue here. If Arafat had agreed to Barak's proposal, the state of Palestine could have included some of those Jewish villages. However, even one Jew in Palestine, is an anathema to the Arabs -- this is the real issue.
2002-02-28 09:08:25 AM  
Lets all become Scientologists. We'll all be happier when we're Clear.

2002-02-28 09:08:57 AM  
"In the years preceding World War I, General John J. 'Black Jack" Pershing was commander of the American forces in the Philippines. The small Moslem community on the island nation began to wreak havoc against the Philippine
government and American forces. The American troops captured a large group of these terrorists. During the interrogation by the Military Court, the fanatics were heard to repeatedly shout, 'Allah Achbar! Allah Achbar! Jihad! The Philippines are the lands of Islam!' "Pershing ordered the Amalekites executed one by one in the presence of the whole group. (The author is referring to the prophecy in the Bible that the Amalekites would be a very
vicious and war like people down through history.) Moslems will not eat pork believing that no one could enter Paradise if there is even the smallest amount of swine flesh in their bodies. Knowing this, the General first ordered the firing squad to shoot large hogs. After they skinned the swine, the executioners rolled their bullets in pork fat and passed fat through the barrels of their rifles while the condemned watched. As each condemned terrorist was executed, his corpse was wrapped in hog's skin and buried on the spot. The entrails of the swine were dumped over the corpse before the grave was covered. Three of the convicted Amalekites were released to take the news back to their Islamic Communities. That ended the Islamic Jihad in the Philippines. Terrorist incidents from Islamic Fundamentalists were unheard of until a decade ago when the U.S. State Department recognized the PLO as legitimate 'Freedom Fighters' "
2002-02-28 09:10:33 AM  

And why is the land occupied?!?! Because the Palestinians tried to run the jews into the ocean in 1967. The Jews kicked the shiat out of them in 7 days. You start a war and lose it.. guess what, YOU LOSE YOUR farkING RIGHTS TO THE LAND
2002-02-28 09:11:17 AM  
thanks fb.. i've never been told i have charm.. i still hate you though.. it's nothing personal, well, yeah i guess it is.. maybe if i was related to you i could learn to pretend to like you at a family reunion though..
2002-02-28 09:15:45 AM  
Fb, the Israelis started the 67 war.

i was going to say so earlier but watching you screw up was too enjoyable.

After mounting rumors of military preparations on both sides, Israel attacked Egypt, Syria and Iraq, and subsequently Jordon. UNSC calls for a cease-fire were accepted on June 10 only after Israel completed its objectives of destroying the Arab air forces and securing what it considered defensible borders at the Suez canal, the Jordan River, Gaza, the Golan Heights and Sharm al Sheik."
2002-02-28 09:16:37 AM  
I See my number one fan wants to make a point.

hey number one fan, why not do it under your own name?
2002-02-28 09:19:06 AM  
woah, i didn't even see that . at first, thought hell had frozen over.. how long has that been going on? i hadn't seen it before, now i'm wondering how many posts i've read and been mislead by..
2002-02-28 09:21:27 AM  
damn.. it was the imposter who apologised.. you still owe me! oh well..
2002-02-28 09:22:44 AM  
Do I? you want to show me a link to what I am supposed to have said JM?
2002-02-28 09:24:51 AM  
CleverBlonde: The Palestinians are not just terrorists. They are fighting a war to get back land they feel was stolen.

So, if I "feel" that all the gold is Ft. Knox was stolen from me, I'm entitled to wage war and blow up girls for eating pizza?
2002-02-28 09:26:04 AM  
no, if you want to do that fine.. i pointed it out at least five times to you while you were still there.. i'm not going to bother showing you again, either you have a shiatty memmory or you just like to play like you can't make a mistake.. besides, i can't remember which damned comments thread it was in and i'm not going digging for it when you wouldn't apologise then, doubt you will now..
2002-02-28 09:26:43 AM  
Ok, so if the Palestinians had no problem with Jordanian rule, what was that business with the attempted overthrow of the monarchy by the PLO back in the 1960s?

Get this straight. The Palestinians are the people, and the descendants of people, who lived in the region between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River and left the area before advancing Israeli forces could reach them in the '48 war. If the Israelis can make a land claim based on a nearly 2000-year-old link to the land, I think people who have a century-old link also have a right to live there.

Under Oslo, the settlements were supposed to stop. Under every peace plan advanced, the settlements stop, because they are an attempt to exert and maintain Israeli authority over the Occupied Territories. If that land is Israel's, then the Palestinians should be given full citizenship and movement rights within Israel's borders. If it's not, the Palestinians should be given authority over that land. This occupation limbo cannot be maintained indefinitely, a forced transfer of the Palestinians would only bring another war with the Arab nations, an attempt to destroy the Israelis would only provoke military intervention by Western nations and an even worse conflict. This ends with full citizenship for Palestinians as part of one nation or another on the land they live on, or this doesn't end.
2002-02-28 09:27:09 AM  
Your body just rots when you die. Sorry people.
2002-02-28 09:28:11 AM  


"Israel's military strike in 1967 was unprovoked."


A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior and, ultimately, an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

While Nasser continued to make speeches threatening war, Arab terrorist attacks grew more frequent. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.5

Meanwhile, Syria's attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union-which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt-gave Damascus information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.6

An enthusiastic echo was heard May 20 from Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad:

Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.7

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel's only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. The following day, President Johnson expressed the belief that the blockade was illegal and unsuccessfully tried to organize an international flotilla to test it.

Nasser was fully aware of the pressure he was exerting to force Israel's hand. The day after the blockade was set up, he said defiantly: "The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war."8

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight," he said on May 27.9 The following day, he added: "We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948."10

King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced:

The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations.11

President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map."12 On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft ringed Israel.13

By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel's best option was to strike first.On June 5, the order was given to attack Egypt.
2002-02-28 09:29:02 AM  
linemanbear, not if you have it burnt, or pickled or something!
2002-02-28 09:29:34 AM  
What's an IP address

2002-02-28 09:32:17 AM  
"02-28-02 09:08:57 AM Dr Tad Winslow
"In the years preceding World War I, General John J. 'Black Jack" Pershing was commander of the American forces in the Philippines."

Thank you, Tad, I can't believe it took this long for someone to dig that up, regardless of wether or not it's true. I got that in the mail right after 911.
2002-02-28 09:32:25 AM  
Jester, you are so right! I want to be marinated!
2002-02-28 09:32:26 AM  
Fb-, that was a fantastic post!!!
2002-02-28 09:33:36 AM  
Fb-, where's you philosophy on providing links rather then copy and pasting gone?
2002-02-28 09:36:11 AM  
Fb's post might have been more impressive if he didnt just pull it from the first source you get on a google search of the subject:

Funny he is always going for me for posting articles not links, but perhaps he didnt want you to know the source, a totally biased and one sided site.

harmonia=1 Fb=2

BTW Hitler invaded Poland claiming they were about to attck germany, its an old trick
2002-02-28 09:36:32 AM  
i want to be deep fried in batter.
2002-02-28 09:36:33 AM  

After I realized that Harmonia didn't know what an IP address was, I figured I couldn't trust in his ability to click on a link. Hope I didn't disturb your masturbating session too much with the long post.
2002-02-28 09:37:24 AM  
That was the fake harmoina Fb.

Why didnt you quote the source?
2002-02-28 09:37:40 AM  
Harmonia: Fb, the Israelis started the 67 war.

It was more like a pre-emptive strike due to acts of agression on the part of the Arab world.

* Egypt's deployed troops to the Sinai

* UN ordered out by Nasser

* Egyptian navy blocked the Straits of Tiran

* Jordan joined the Egyptian-Syrian military alliance

* Jordan placed its army on both sides of the Jordan river under Egyptian command.

* Syrian troops shelled villagers from the Golan Hts
2002-02-28 09:39:15 AM  

Yeah, the only difference between Germany/Poland and Israel/Arabs is that Poland didn't have a quarter million troops, thousands of tanks and aircraft amassed on the border. Poland did't cut off German shipping lanes.
2002-02-28 09:39:16 AM  
fb, well, it wouldn't have been to bad that you interupted the masterbating, but talking about it ruined the mood.. damn.. call me charming again, maybe that will help!
2002-02-28 09:42:24 AM  
Why didn't you quote the source FB?

Did you want everyone to think you wrote it?

Or is it because, as you always sat "no .org site can be trusted"

Cmon admit you screwed up this time, I will repect you more for it (Not that respecting you more would be hard)
2002-02-28 09:43:27 AM  
It's sad when somebody has to hack an account to attack somebody rather than debating them with logic. It's like waving a white flag.
2002-02-28 09:43:39 AM  
hey harmonia, i'd respect you more if you'd have apologised when i asked the first time..
2002-02-28 09:44:23 AM  

The post is spot on. That's why you can't attack the info inside it. All you can do is ask for the link that you already found.
2002-02-28 09:44:28 AM  
ed.. respected.. damn me no talk good sometimeseser..
2002-02-28 09:44:53 AM  
No, i read it. But anyone can dig up one sided stories. That was an Israeli version. If you want to read an Arab version click here
2002-02-28 09:45:31 AM  

Nobody hacked any account. Somebody made a new one that appears similar to Harmonia.
2002-02-28 09:45:59 AM  
Link for Arab version of the story:
2002-02-28 09:49:36 AM  
Screw the palestinians and screw the jews. Nuke them all and the world will be a much better place. As for the cool tag, perfect.
2002-02-28 09:50:26 AM  
Jester: you are the village idiot yes?
2002-02-28 09:51:26 AM  
Same thing, still very stupid. But you know what they say about arguing on the internet...
2002-02-28 09:52:47 AM  

Israel began planning the re-conquest of the Sinai soon after its forced withdrawal in 1956. In 1967, as in 1956, Israel waited for favorable circumstances to put its plan into action.

That's a bold statement to make without any proof backing it up.

In the early hours of 5 June 1967, Israel announced to a credulous Western world that the Egyptian Air Force had initiated hostile actions. In fact, it was the Israelis who had attacked the Egyptians and destroyed virtually the entire Egyptian Air Force while its fleet was still on the ground.

Hence the term 'pre-emptive strike'

"All this story about the danger of extermination has been a complete invention and has been blown up a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territories"

No plan for extermination? 7 countries put almost half a million troops around your border in all directions. Send thousands of tanks and fighter jets to your border. Cut off your shipping lanes and start shelling your villages? No plan for extermination?!? What were they doing then? The article doesn't answer that question.

The claim that the Arabs were going to invade appears particularly ludicrous when one recalls that a third of Egypt's army was in Yemen and therefore quite unprepared to launch a war.

Yeah, a third of their army was in Yemen. The other 2/3's were armed, equiped and on the Israeli border ready to invade.

This is some of the saddest Arab propaganda I've ever seen. They can be much much more creative.
2002-02-28 09:54:33 AM  
Fb only likes Israeli propaganda.

Glad to know I will never have to hear your ".org sites are no use" crap ever again
2002-02-28 09:58:14 AM  

Just trying to open you up to new ideas and thoughts. You seemed awfully mired down in your anti-west, anti-jew mindset. Sorry. I always took you for the guy that was willing to read and learn. Always open to new ideas to get a better understanding of the world. I was wrong. Only read your self-serving stuff. I wouldn't want you to have to think before you form an opinion.
2002-02-28 09:59:49 AM  

I never said it was all true. It's just like the one sided Israeli story you dug up. There's no justification in just finger-pointing at one side. I'm certain both were responsible. It's impossible to find what REALLY happened since there's several stories flying around with a different beginning, middle and an end.
2002-02-28 10:01:43 AM  
Blah, blah, blah. It's probably not true anyway.
2002-02-28 10:04:09 AM  
Harmonia: What do you think all those troops in Sinai, the Golan Heights and the West Bank (occupied by Jordan at the time) were going to do? Have a campout and roast weenies and marshmallows?

Nasser and the others planned to attack in mid-June. They just got caught with their pants down.

By the way, do you know how Nasser planned to explain how his air force was destroyed on the ground? He and Hussien were going to say the US and the UK launched the attacks that destroyed their planes. Can't have a pesky little state doing it to them. This farce was exposed by intelligence wire taps and King Hussien acknowledged that Nasser and he had said what was reported.
2002-02-28 10:04:16 AM  
10 PRINT "Palestinians retaliate with their typical suicide bomb attack"
20 PRINT "Israelis retaliate on a settlement"
30 PRINT "World outcry."
40 PRINT "Permanent ceasefire/peace accord reached."
50 GOTO 10
2002-02-28 10:04:19 AM  
Have to agree with Fb on the 7 Day War. They looked to be posed to wipe them out entirely, but Israel was smart enough to attack first. Otherwise they would have been doomed.
2002-02-28 10:06:14 AM  
1. This story reeks of bull, er...pork shiat.
2. What the hell is the cool tag doing on this?
3. The Jewish settlers in West Bank and Gaza are living in *someone else's country* which they have set up as an occupied Apartheid state. Why don't the media seem to get this?
2002-02-28 10:10:47 AM  
El Bulbil Emir,

Don't want your land taken away? Then don't plan to commit a war of genocide and lose.
2002-02-28 10:11:14 AM  
Anti-jew Fb?

Are you so out of arguments that all you have left is;

"Anyone who disagrees with Israel is an anti-semite?"

Sad, but typical.
2002-02-28 10:13:16 AM  

C'mon, you're telling me that you love the Jews? You hate their culture and challenge their right to exist on a daily basis.
2002-02-28 10:15:18 AM  
El Bulbil Emir has a valid point.

Muslim and Jew (more or less) managed to co-exist until the 20th century, at time the Jews decided to sign all the real estate over to themselves.

While I'd truely love to see Osama locked up at San Quentin with a big, hairy sex starved fell named "Big Earl" ( Hey my little puppy now. )the fact remains that this behavior in South Africa was called aparthied. If I recall right, most everyone worldwide condemmed that...
2002-02-28 10:15:53 AM  
Jews steal all our money and women
2002-02-28 10:17:02 AM  
If you knew my family background fb you might realise what shiat you are talking.

BTW Marx was jewish as was Trotsky and a lot of great British Socialists you wouldnt have heard of, I first got involved in politics after a speech by a man call Ygail Gluckstein.
2002-02-28 10:17:17 AM  
Shiat. first is cool and second is hero.

Damn these fingers!
2002-02-28 10:18:34 AM  
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The cool tag is there because it's very deserving and a great way to disgrace those POS palestinian suicide bombers. Screw your "fatwah" and shiat. Anyone who kills innocent civilians the way they do out of hatred of religion should get anal sex from a pig while they are still alive. bastards.
2002-02-28 10:18:35 AM  
Frolixo, it's probably because they're more successful and have larger penis' than you.
2002-02-28 10:19:55 AM  

Don't want your land taken away? Then don't plan to commit a war of genocide and lose.
2002-02-28 10:27:19 AM  

You've never made a decision based on fact in your life have you?

"Fb, the Israelis started the 67 war."

Nasser's own words:

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight." (May 27)

"The meaning of Sharm el-Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." (May 27)

"We will not accept any coexistence with Israel. Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel. The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." (May 28)

President Aref of Iraq said:

"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map." (May 31)

When Egypt commenced a blockade against Israel they committed the first act of war.
2002-02-28 10:31:03 AM  
So I'm guessing the Orthodox jews would go completely apeshiat if the bombers started lacing their bombs with bacon.

Man, I can't believe anyone still believes any of this shiat. Hello, it's 2002, dumbass.
2002-02-28 10:33:07 AM  
The Israelis have anything they get coming to them. And the pigs they rode in on, too...
2002-02-28 10:33:30 AM  
This is definitely not cool. Pigs deserve more respect.
2002-02-28 10:35:14 AM  
And Isreal just happened to sieze Jerusalem the West bank and Sinai.

And they would love to get rid of them, but somehow ended up building vast settlements on them and creating an apartheid state.

Really Bildo, do try and question the lies you are told.
2002-02-28 10:35:16 AM  

What's the difference between them and the numerous Israeli cabinet members (who Sharon and his predecessors signed in) who want a mass Palestinian expulsion of West Bank and Gaza? And the ones hell bent on segregation and Eretz Israel?
2002-02-28 10:38:03 AM  
BTW, Rmdw. You never answered my last question. Explain to me why Israel isn't an apartheid state after reading this:

The ownership of land in Israel is under the jurisdiction of the Israel Land Authority, which applies as a "fundamental criterion" of land use, religion and nationality. As noted by Professor Uzi Ornan, "Those registered as `Jews` have full rights in regard to most of the land, cities, and settlements; those who are not registered as `Jews` are barred from owning real estate in most sectors of the country" ("An Amazing Resemblance to South Africa," Ha'aretz, Feb. 10, 1991). These restrictions apply to over 90 percent of Israeli land, within which, as Israel Shahak states, "the non-Jewish citizens of Israel--and of course all the non-Jews of the rest of the world too--simply cannot live; they cannot rent a house or an apartment, or open a business, unless they surreptitiously sublet it from a Jew." Shahak goes on to say: "One can imagine what a storm would be raised if such official policy of discrimination was practiced against Jews" ( Lies of Our Times, May 1991).
2002-02-28 10:39:15 AM  
Does this remind anyone of the Xiao Xiao episode where the fighters continue to kick each others asses after they've killed each other?
2002-02-28 10:41:45 AM  
Look what happens when I leave the thread and start to work. My penis size gets mocked. (again)
Digit-I was not being serious. Hence, making fun of all the racist bastards on the thread.

But I must say that black people should steal less and play more basketball.

2002-02-28 10:48:45 AM  

"Muslim and Jew (more or less) managed to co-exist until the 20th century, at time the Jews decided to sign all the real estate over to themselves."

Are you really that stupid? The Jews did not take the land. They bought it. In 1944 Desert farmland in Israel was selling for over a $1000 an acre when rich midwestern farmland in the U.S. was selling for $100 an acre.

70% of the land in what is now Israel was owned by the British government in 1948. With the creation of Israel that land turned over to the Israeli government.
2002-02-28 10:48:50 AM  
Anyone wants to go pour pig fat on the grave of Baruch Goldstein (the zionist nutcase who gunned down 29 praying arabs in a mosque in 94)?
2002-02-28 10:50:17 AM  
They don't have time for basketball, Frolixo, they're busy showing your girlfriend the truth of the saying "Once you've had black, you'll never go back!"
2002-02-28 10:52:49 AM  
"It is sad that our only defense is a pigskin."

...and F-16s, and Apaches, etc. etc. etc...
2002-02-28 10:54:28 AM  

From ""

"Whereas most of the land inhabited by Jewish Israelis is owned by the state, exempting them from paying property tax, the majority of Israel's private land is owned by Arab citizens. As a result, Israel's Arab sector suffers a disproportionate tax burden, paying 80% of land taxes in Israel. In May, months of negotiations between a SHATIL-facilitated committee of Arab landowners and the Minister of Finance paid off with the amendment of Israelþs Property Tax Law by the Knesset. This major achievement is one more step toward closing the socio-economic cap separating, Jewish and Palestinian Israelis."

The government of Israel isn't going to sell its land to anyone, that's pretty obvious.

However you are correct in one respect (and I've never seen you admit anyone who disagrees with you is even partially right, must be nice always being correct), Arabs are "second class citizens" in Israel. They are not allowed to serve freely in the military, however they do have rights that residents of Bantustans didn't have.

Name another Arab country where the people vote directly in representatives to the government. There are Arabs serving in the Knesset.

There are the Land Day protests in Israel every year. How many Arab governments would allow their people to protest their government?

I have a question for you to answer. How should Jews who were forced to leave Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria and other countries from 1948 onwards be compensated. They were victims of the same "apartheid" type decisions that you rail against.
2002-02-28 10:55:09 AM  
Sorry, I don't have a girlfreind anymore. A dirty Arab stole her away on his camel and the law could not follow because all the tax money is being used up by the lazy Mexicans.

~fuels fire and hides~
2002-02-28 10:58:43 AM  
The entire region should be officially referred to by the U.N. as "The Nation of Assclown". Palestinians and Israelis should be officially called "Assclowns" until they quit acting like farks. Humiliate them on the world stage until such actions are taken.
2002-02-28 10:59:45 AM  
Dave.bowman: I'm all for that. And how about Hafez al-Assad's grave in Syria? I'm sure there are some relatives of the people of Hama who'd love to get him for that.

In case you don't know about this one, Assad killed between 20,000 to 40,000 of the residents of this town b/c it was a hotbed filled with many who were opposed to his despotic rule
2002-02-28 11:07:14 AM  
Well this debate hasn't raged on quite enough in several threads.

I'll sum my opinion up, not that I expoect anyone to care, with:

2002-02-28 11:10:20 AM  
1) stupid mysticism.

2) Being a giant liberal myself, I've never quite understood my lefty friends' desire to consider the Palestinians an oppressed group. Clearly innocents are being immeasurably harmed on both sides, but c'mon.

3) When you go to war with a country (stating your intention to push it into the ocean) and LOSE, you don't have a lot of choices in how the land gets divied up.

4) When the protests are violent, you immediately lose your moral high ground. There are *many* oppressed people in the world. The Palestinians, however, are living under marshal law because of their leadership's tacit support of terrorist diplomacy for *years* and *years*.

I feel bad for everyone, but the past is the past. Isreal was created, rightly or wrongly (much like the US), but it's here and not going to go away.
2002-02-28 11:10:24 AM  

(In the country we see an Interviewer, with microphone. Behind him a man sits on a wall, with clip-board, binoculars and spotting gear.)

Interviewer (John Cleese): Good evening. Tonight we're going to take a hard tough abrasive look at camel spotting. Hello.

Spotter (Eric Idle): Hello Peter.

Interviewer: Now tell me, what exactly are you doing?

Spotter: Er well, I'm camel spotting. I'm spotting to see if there are any camels that I can spot, and put them down in my camel spotting book.

Interviewer: Good. And how many camels have you spotted so far?

Spotter: Oh, well so far Peter, up to the present moment, I've spotted nearly, ooh, nearly one.

Interviewer: Nearly one?

Spotter: Er, call it none.

Interviewer: Fine. And er how long have you been here?

Spotter: Three years.

Interviewer: So, in, er, three years you've spotted no camels?

Spotter: Yes in only three years. Er, I tell a lie, four, be fair, five. I've been camel spotting for just the seven years. Before that of course I was a Yeti Spotter.

Interviewer: A Yeti Spotter, that must have been extremely interesting.

Spotter: Oh, it was extremely interesting, very, very - quite... it was dull; dull, dull, dull, oh God it was dull. Sitting in the Waterloo waiting room. Course once you've seen one Yeti you've seen them all.

Interviewer: And have you seen them all?

Spotter: Well I've seen one. Well a little one... a picture of a... I've heard about them.

Interviewer: Well, now tell me, what do you do when you spot a camel?

Spotter: Er, I take its number.

Interviewer: Camels don't have numbers.

Spotter: Ah, well you've got to know where to look. Er, they're on the side of the engine above the piston box.

Interviewer: What?

Spotter: Ah - of course you've got to make sure it's not a dromedary. 'Cos if it's a dromedary it goes in the dromedary book.

Interviewer: Well how do you tell if it's a dromedary?

Spotter: Ah well, a dromedary has one hump and a camel has a refreshment car, buffet, and ticket collector.

Interviewer: Mr Sopwith, aren't you in fact a Train Spotter?

Spotter: What?

Interviewer: Don't you in fact spot trains?

Spotter: Oh, you're no fun anymore.

(ANIMATION: Then a girl in bed. Count Dracula enters. The girl reveals her neck. The vampire goes to kiss her but his fangs fall out.)

Girl: Oh, you're no fun anymore.

(A man at the yardarm being lashed.)

Lasher:... thirty-nine... forty. All right, cut him down, Mr Fuller.

Lashee: Oh you're no fun anymore.

(Back to camel spotter.)

Spotter: Now look, if anybody else pinches my phrase I'll throw them under a camel.

Interviewer: (giggling) If you can spot one.

(Spotter gives him a dirty look. Knight in armour appears beside him. He hits interviewer with chicken.)
2002-02-28 11:12:01 AM  
To hell with both of Israel and Palestine. Those lands are no more "Holy" than my back yard - I'm tired of the ignorant arrogance of both of these (and other) organized faiths. People killing each other over some mythological paradise or ideal.

The only good ignorant idiot is a dead one.
2002-02-28 11:13:14 AM  
hey fb-, nice post.

I checked your profile, you seem a little 'braggy' about your 5th mtn. div service...or did I miss the joke?

Semper Fi
2002-02-28 11:20:06 AM  
Flek if Fb served in the Army i am a republican.
2002-02-28 11:25:59 AM  
Rmdw: "I have a question for you to answer. How should Jews who were forced to leave Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria and other countries from 1948 onwards be compensated. They were victims of the same "apartheid" type decisions that you rail against.", since they were oppressed, they have the right to turn around and oppress a different group of people? I guess the word "hypocrite" isn't in their language?

On a way off side note, I ASSUME you are also pro Affirmative Action because that logic is the same (only your Israel case is FAR more extreme).
2002-02-28 11:27:22 AM  

funny stuff.
2002-02-28 11:27:55 AM  
Flek: Fb- wasn't in the 5th Mountain Div. He served under me in the Dreadnoughts, a Special Forces division of C.O.B.R.A.. You wouldn't understand...way too top secret.
2002-02-28 11:30:50 AM  
if that's true, then it sucks to be him...sheesh.

I mean, you can be as correct politically as you want, but lying about military service is almost as bad as being a liberal.
2002-02-28 11:30:51 AM  
You start a war and lose it.. guess what, YOU LOSE YOUR farkING RIGHTS TO THE LAND

Is that what happened with the native americans?
I quote the KRS-ONE:
"There could never really be justice on stolen land."

2002-02-28 11:32:15 AM  
Rmdw wrote:
And how about Hafez al-Assad's grave in Syria?

I don't know much about him, but he sounds like the kind of guy we should save some pig fat for.

The government of Israel isn't going to sell its land to anyone, that's pretty obvious.

And "anyone" is defined as any non-jew...

However you are correct in one respect, Arabs are "second class citizens" in Israel. They are not allowed to serve freely in the military, however they do have rights that residents of Bantustans didn't have.

And jews had some rights in Nazi germany as well, but that doesn't really matter, does it? It's the rights they don't have that matters.

Name another Arab country where the people vote directly in representatives to the government. There are Arabs serving in the Knesset.
There are the Land Day protests in Israel every year. How many Arab governments would allow their people to protest their government?

Why is it that all pro-Israeli people I meet always brings this up? The fact that most arab countries isn't even close to democracy doesn't mean that it is OK for Israel to have racist laws. Those issues are NOT related in any way.

I have a question for you to answer. How should Jews who were forced to leave Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria and other countries from 1948 onwards be compensated. They were victims of the same "apartheid" type decisions that you rail against.

They should be compensated in the same way that the Palestinians who were forced out of their country will be compensated.

It's so farking ridiculous when pro-Israeli's (I don't mean you, Rmdw, you seem to be at least somewhat informed) try to argue that their country is really democratic and part of the western world, when they know that they have racist laws.

They argue that they "live in the middle east, and not in Europe", as if that should give them right to treat arabs like shiat. And no European or American has the right to criticize them, because they "don't know how it is to live in Israel".

The fact is, as long as Israel is a country for one ethnic group, it will NEVER be part of the western world.
2002-02-28 11:42:35 AM  
"There could never really be justice on stolen land."

All land is stolen land.
2002-02-28 11:43:29 AM  
WarmBeer: I never said that it was a blank check to harass or oppress anyone. What I meant was that you can make a case for anyone getting compensation. People have been screwing over other people for years.

Dave.bowman: Um, he was the leader of Syria for nearly 30 years. A statement like that can really hurt your credibility even in a crackhead forum like this.

And if Israel doesn't sell its land to anyone (Jew or not) how is that discriminatory?
2002-02-28 11:45:22 AM  
MrGumboPants, well said. Very.

If you don't mind I'm going to shamelessly steal that every time this argument gets repeated.
2002-02-28 11:50:18 AM  
Odietamo, wont Rush be upset that you are using someone elses arguments?

2002-02-28 11:50:40 AM  
Odietamo, wont Rush be upset that you are using someone elses arguments?

Planning to use this bit too:

"Being a giant liberal myself"

2002-02-28 11:54:35 AM  
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I'm surprised that Fark would use the 'cool' tag to describe this. But I'm more surprised that Fark would let all this pork go to waste. Look at it all.

2002-02-28 11:55:50 AM  
Rmdw: Why can't I criticize Israel for racism today without knowing who the leader of Syria was a couple of decades ago?

Israel doesn't "sell" its land to anyone, but it only lets jews live on it. There has been several law suits in Israel about that, where Israeli arabs won land in lotteries and were not allowed to live there.
2002-02-28 12:00:36 PM  
Harmonia, you socialism worshipping Scottish goof, as I have explained before there are many varieties of conservative, whereas there are few variations in liberal ideology. I'm not a Limbaugh fan. I'm also not what most conservatives would consider one of their own. And I'm CERTAINLY not a Republican, at least half of whom have abandoned conservativism and most of whom have voted with liberals in favor of some of the worst decisions for this country ever.

Planning to use this bit too?
A good point, that. No. That will certainly be ommitted.
2002-02-28 12:09:32 PM  
Odietamo agrees with me.

Something has gone horribly awry. :)
2002-02-28 12:10:14 PM  
Dave.bowman: He died a year or two ago and he was one of the biggest players in the Middle East. Just harping on "(Insert country here) is bad" and not knowing the residents of the neighborhood is not a way to win your point.

Bottom line, would you rather be an Arab in Israel or a Jew in an Arab country?
2002-02-28 12:11:01 PM  
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2002-02-28 12:19:08 PM  
That isn't cool at all. I guess who-ever submitted the story doesn't really understand what is happening over there, they just believe whatever CNN tells them...
2002-02-28 12:20:56 PM  
This is like the ROK Tigers (Republic of Korea soldiers -- my Taekwondo master was one of these bad mother-effers) in Vietnam who would cut off the ears of viet cong or NVA soldiers so the dead wouldn't be able to get into heaven. Consequently, the VC would run the other way when seeing ROK's and would rather fight US soldiers, tho they eventually started collecting ears too...

Oh, and there IS NO HEAVEN except in the mind.

2002-02-28 12:22:15 PM  
Regardless of whose side you're on, this isn't "cool"--it's just weird. Is there a "disturbing" tag?
2002-02-28 12:26:24 PM  
MrGumboPants, *grin* Sorry. I didn't mean to throw you, big guy.
2002-02-28 12:27:57 PM  
Rmdw: My mistake, I didn't know Assad was also known as al-Assad, so I assumed you were referring to whoever was the leader of Syria back in the 40's or something. I guess I should have read the name more carefully. I do know who that is, and yes, he was a very nasty guy. Glad to see him gone, but his son seems to be even worse...

Bottom line, would you rather be an Arab in Israel or a Jew in an Arab country?

Here we go again... That question is pointless. Why do you keep arguing that Israel has the right to treat arabs badly, as long as they are not treated as badly as jews are/were treated in the arab countries?

Why don't you just tell us why you think that Israel, unlike all other democratic countries in the world, should have the right to treat its citizens differently based on what ethnic group they belong to? Note that I'm not referring to Palestinians here, only to Israeli citizens.
2002-02-28 12:41:54 PM  
Dave.bowman: Show me where I ever make this statement:

Why do you keep arguing that Israel has the right to treat arabs badly, as long as they are not treated as badly as jews are/were treated in the arab countries?

And for the record, I don't think they should have the right to treat its citizens differently. There I said it. Hasn't the situation improved there already?

What I am saying is instead of just focusing on Israel's shortcomings, we need to look across the borders as well.
2002-02-28 12:44:45 PM  
haha, nice, hoosier
2002-02-28 12:55:54 PM  
When pork is outlawed, only outlaws will have pork.
2002-02-28 12:59:32 PM  
These people were opressed in life, and now they're being opressed even when they are dead.
As for the 1967 war, Israel attacked first, it was a pre-emptive strike but how could the egyptians be so farkin stupid!! they were all wankin off inside their F-16's. that totally pisses me off everytime i hear off the war. You can always count on the israelis for a sneak attack
2002-02-28 01:01:38 PM  
Wow. Someone's been reading/listening to George Carlin. Now if they can just make the aerosol pork grenade...
2002-02-28 01:04:41 PM  
Smirnoffice: Sure, like in '73.
2002-02-28 01:22:19 PM  
You know what i've noticed. All the pro-israel posters are jewish while the pro-palestine posters are not necessarily muslim. That to me says a lot. Too bad we don't have any arabs in here or else it'd be a massacre!
2002-02-28 01:33:48 PM  

Two Things

1. I'm not Jewish.

2. You ignored my comment, what about '73? Well I'll tell you. The Egyptians and Syrians staged a pre-emptive attack on the pre-emptive strike the Israeli's had planned for their original attack. So each side has done it.

Also the Egyptians did not have F-16s. They were equipped by the USSR, so it was MiGs. I only wish the Brits and French had done that to Germany in 1938.
2002-02-28 01:37:52 PM  
Smirnoffice: Ummmmm, no. No Egyptian F-16's in 1967 (and the Egyptian pilots were just finishing breakfast, not engaging in "harmonia.izing". Egyptian Air Force and Army officials were still sitting in Cairo traffic jams.The Egyptians may have been inept at warmaking, but that's no reason to malign their character. They fought bravely, and surrendered well, although their plan to draw the Israeli forces and then wait for the winter snows to counterattack was perhaps not the best idea they ever got from their patrons.;-)[Egypt was still a Soviet client-state].) Israel didn't have any F-16's either, FWIW. And it was hardly a sneak attack, as Nasser had already thrown out the peacekeepers and declared his intention to throw the Jews into the sea.
Oh, and one more thing: "these people" that you are referring to, the terrorist suicide bombers, they were being "repressed", not "oppressed"[insert Monty Python sketch here]. The Palestinians as a whole, could conceivably be called "oppressed", tho the root cause of this can be traced *both* to Israel's policies and the fact that the Palestinians have : a)never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace b)never missed an opportunity, from Haj Amin al-Husseini (Mufti of Jerusalem and personal friend of Hitler) to Yasser Arafat (hero of Munich, the Achille Lauro, the American Embassy in Khartoum, etc., etc., etc.) to select, or allow to be selected, the most irridentist bonehead to be the "sole legitimate representative" of the Palestinian people as a whole, c)refused, consistently, to even consider the possibility of agreeing to a peace which does not include historic Palestinian terrritory like Tel Aviv, d)refused to control the boneheads among them so as to prevent them from carrying out bombings of strategic military targets like bus stations, so that even someone like Peres, who would sell his mother to get another Peace Prize and/or chance at being PM can't negotiate with them-Barak, who tried to hand them Gaza (ok, that wasn't much of an offer, as Gaza is a dump), much of the West Bank, plus part of Jerusalem, was thanked for his efforts with a spree of bombing atttacks against civilian targets, thus handing the PM's office to Sharon on a silver platter............
2002-02-28 01:43:27 PM  
You are probably jewish :) that's why I did not want to bring the 1973 war up. Israel was getting its ass whopped until we stepped in. Anyway I have class now.. later.
2002-02-28 01:51:01 PM  
I do think this deserves the Cool tag, but not for the reasons most people are giving.

I think this will finally show people that religion is not a cause of terrorism, only an excuse. Once that excuse no longer makes sense, terrorists will make up another one and carry on as before. And certainly it doesn't make sense to carry our acts "in the name of religion" when that religion will deny you paradise as a consequence.

It won't stop terrorism one iota, of course. It might slow it down a bit while the "Islamic Jihad" changes its name to "People Fighting for the Liberation of Palestine" and various other acts to that effect, but that won't last. the only effect will be to force terrorists to drop the religious pretense, and maybe then people will see it for what it really is: just a bunch of psychos who want to kill people, using any excuse they can dig up to try and justify it.
2002-02-28 01:55:46 PM  
Somebody wrote: "You start a war and lose it.. guess what, YOU LOSE YOUR farkING RIGHTS TO THE LAND".

Well, wasn't that exactly how the jews got kicked out of the area to begin with, rioting against the Romans?
2002-02-28 02:13:21 PM  
Smirnoffice: Glad you know my faith better than me. Israel actually turned the tide and was pushing forward when a US arms shippment came in. In fact our good friend Sharon had crossed the Suez Canal into Egypt proper. He was a few days away from Cairo when the fighting was ended.

Glad to here you are in class. Hope you'll resume the scrum and not run away.
2002-02-28 02:57:44 PM  
Who gives a damn? Both peoples are fighting for a 'God' who has shown repeatedly over history to not give a flying fark about anything.
2002-02-28 03:00:51 PM  
"You know what i've noticed. All the pro-israel posters are jewish while the pro-palestine posters are not necessarily muslim. That to me says a lot. Too bad we don't have any arabs in here or else it'd be a massacre!"

I think I was a big pro-isreal poster, and I'm not religious in any way, shape or form.
2002-02-28 03:01:19 PM  
Don't want your land taken away? Then don't plan to commit a war of genocide and lose.

What war of genocide was that? Israel launched the 1967 war against its Arab neighbors. That's when the territories were seized.
2002-02-28 03:15:26 PM  
"Israelis wrap pigskin around the bodies of dead Palestinean terrorists to deprive them of paradise"

in muslim beliefs, having this done to you while dead wont prevent you from going to paradise...hell,even feeding them to sharks,burning the corpses,etc etc would do a thing. it's what you've done before you died that counts.
but whether you're muslim or atheist...this is farking sick. cant you have respect for the dead?
poor palestinean's just wanted to take back what's their's

may they rest in peace.
2002-02-28 03:16:16 PM  
Nobody has told me yet why I should even care. 8 billion miles away, and they're only dead bodies. Who really cares? People are getting blown up daily (yes, living people, not the dead ones everybody's so concerned about), and you geeks are up in arms over what happens to the bodies. You've fallen right into the "this has to mean something" trap, just like the Palestinians and the Israelis. Granted, least you're not so far gone as to start killing over a worthless little plot of land, but you're still amusing as hell.

2002-02-28 03:47:22 PM  
For those who think FARK used the "Cool Tag"

RTFM. The poster picks the tag. Schmucks.

BTW, can someone direct fb, harmonia, and jester to a chat room somewhere? ;-)
2002-02-28 03:55:16 PM  
I must agree with all those that said that this article is a pile of shiat!... I don't believe for a second that a rabbi would neither believe nor condone even touching something as nasty and unkosher as a pig by-product.

Secondly, Arabs have ran similar stories in the past have propagated shiat information just to make the ignorant sympathetic to their cause... Even recently a reputable Arab newspaper ran a "shock" article about how Jews assasinate Palestinians, then grind up their bodies and bake them into their matzoh for Passover.

(Yes, I know that the farkers here will be screaming for a reference to where I found that... I'll leave that up to them... But here is the info on who/when/where the article was published)..

What sort of peace can even be contemplated when the Arab world renews such libels as that in the October 26 issue of the Egyptian government daily newspaper Al-Ahram? The paper, which is the authoritative daily in Egypt and the Arab world, ran a lengthy article explaining how "bestial" Jews murder Arab children to drain their blood to make Passover matzoh. "Every devout Jew," explained the author, Adel Hamooda, "is forbidden to live in the cities holy for the Jews unless he eats one of the blood matzohs."

Now, if you believe crap like this, you also will also believe that Jews wrap up dead Palestinians in pig skins...

Nuff said about this sad thread.
2002-02-28 04:09:10 PM  
P.S. If anyone wants to read interesting opinions about the Middle East from an American Arab that does not agree with the whole media-endorsed pro-Palestinian party line, look up Joseph Farah and read some of his articles.
2002-02-28 04:18:50 PM  
Smirnoffice, I hate that the United States provides Israel with dime one. I also wouldn't care all that much if the country was wiped off the face of the map tomorrow EXCEPT if it was done by their neighbors, all of whom hate them.

Palestinians = bad guys. Bad people who support bad leaders. Face it. What MrGumboPants said above sums it up perfectly for anyone who objectively looks at the situation. I don't need to be a "jewish sympathizer" to have a realistic view of the situation.
2002-02-28 04:25:56 PM  
Kung Pula: "Well maybe not, but how would you feel if you mommy died and the mortitian who handles her farked her corpse, i mean she won't notice right?"

There is a difference between f'ing the corpse of someone and putting pigskin on it. To compare the two is plainly ignorant.

"She's already dead, And oh she died from a brutal rape so what difference does it make if he farkes her somemore?"

and this compares to my comment how?

"BTW then he drives a pole thru her heart just to be sure she's not a vampire :)"

and maybe I drive a pole up your ass for being a lameass flamer.

ClownCollegeGraduate: "I respect Mandela's word more then any ultra-conservative, far-right winger, Christian fundie, US president ass licking bigot like "RobbieFal"."

Son, either you are stupid or just ignorant. If you have followed me for long enough, you would know that I, a) am not the biggest fan of the President, b) am only a Pentecostal and I don't faith heal while I probably sin quite a bit (and I stated that under the beliefs of my faith, you don't get to heaven thru that, then again, if you are Muslim, you don't get Heaven in the first place), c) ultra-conservative? you are ultra-delusional. Unless you want to compare me to ultra-conservatives like Colin Powell and other moderates and d) You're a putz.

Mandela is not infallible. Just cuz he makes a comparison between Israel and South Africa doesn't make it true.

"poor palestinean's just wanted to take back what's their's

may they rest in peace."

yeah, since they couldn't live in peace.

2002-02-28 04:30:50 PM  
Though no nations admit it openly, there would probably be many dry eyes globally if the Palestinians pushed the Israelis out of the region altogether.
2002-02-28 04:31:29 PM  
Rmdw wrote:
Dave.bowman: Show me where I ever make this statement:
Why do you keep arguing that Israel has the right to treat arabs badly, as long as they are not treated as badly as jews are/were treated in the arab countries?

When I accused Israel of being a racist country, you responded with: Bottom line, would you rather be an Arab in Israel or a Jew in an Arab country?

To me, that sounds like you think that since arabs have more rights in Israel than jews have in arab countries, it is OK for Israel to discriminate against arabs.

And for the record, I don't think they should have the right to treat its citizens differently. There I said it. Hasn't the situation improved there already?

I did say that you seemed to be "somewhat informed", didn't I? :-)

But if you agree with me that Israel should treat all its citizens equally, you also have to make the conclusion that it can't be a jewish state. If it is a jewish state, it will implicitly favor jews and discriminate against non-jews.

What I am saying is instead of just focusing on Israel's shortcomings, we need to look across the borders as well.

I disagree with the word "instead". We need to focus on human rights violations in all countries in the middle east.

But since a lot of people in the west seem to think that Israel is the "good" guy in this conflict, I think it is important to inform them that that is not the case.
2002-02-28 04:36:19 PM  
This reminds me of the urban legends page debunking these kinds of things... people have the mistaken notion that pork is to Muslims as garlic and holy water is to vampires.

Get a clue... and the "I want sick gorey revenge because I'm a bloodthirsty daemon" posters are always welcome to put their feet in their mouths.
2002-02-28 04:41:50 PM  
Dave.bowman: This is where I have a bone to pick

Israel has the right to treat arabs badly

I never, ever said that. And I don't agree with it.
2002-02-28 04:47:14 PM  
If the palastinians have a beef, their leadership needs to declare war on Israel, and attack them with real weapons...not suicide bombers.

Oh, but that would take some guts on the part of Arafat et al. And, besides, Israel would win that war in like two or three weeks.
2002-02-28 04:48:28 PM  
Ironbar: Yeah, all the problems of the world would go away.

Oh that's right Israel has nothing to do with the following:

Civil War in Yemen

The Kurdish Question in Iraq and Turkey

The desires of Syria to expand its borders into a Greater Syria (they'd love to help the Palestinians achieve independence, just like the Lebanesse)

Sunnis vs. Shi'ites

And that's just the middle east. I'm sure North and South Korea will reunite peacefully once Israel ceased to exist.
2002-02-28 04:57:05 PM  
I was scrolling down the page at a fast speed and I noticed subliminal(sp?) messages in the long posts. They would have 3 inch long letters written in them.
2002-02-28 05:17:14 PM  
With much regret, I must leave for the day. I look forward to seeing all of you here tomorrow, same place, same comments.

I've become quite accustomed to this "talking in circles" thing that we have going here regarding Israeli-Palestinian relations. I know I can eagerly look forward to the exact same discusion in some other random link tomorrow.
2002-02-28 05:51:19 PM  
So you think that all Israeli citizens should be treated 100% equally? If you do think that, you can hardly accept that Israel should be a jewish state. I mean, if it treats all citizens equally, what's jewish about it?

To summarize, if you think that it should be a democratic state with no special rights whatsoever for jews, then we agree.
2002-02-28 08:50:42 PM  
What rights to a fine burial should a suicide (terrorist) bomber have? It is COOL!! Cool in the same way a block comedy is cool.
2002-02-28 11:40:22 PM  
I'm just looking forward to Johnny Cash's cover of John Lennon's "Imagine". It's sure to actualize whirled peas.
2002-02-28 11:55:18 PM  
Screw Israel. Screw Palestine. 'Nuff said.
2002-03-01 01:44:09 AM  
maybe they should simply send the corpses to that crematory in Georgia, where they would just lie around and get funky.
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