helix400

Knock it off.

No.

Either you have some psychological post tramatic stress disorder, or you've turned into a one of the most holier than thou morons that I've ever seen in my life.

I'll take neither. My disgust with Bush knows no bounds. Well, a few. But I will keep on the coattails of those who voted for him. I am saddened and moved beyond anything I've ever felt before by the state of this country. It honestly makes me physically sick to see Bush smirk while kids are dying overseas.

Whatever it is, you've definitely changed in the last month or two, and it's getting annoying fast.

Hey, sorry, dude.

Lostcom760 This is California's and NY's penance for going BLUE

Umm...I'm one of the bigger supporters of Bush on Fark, and that's one of the most idiotic things you can say. What, do you want Democrats to screw over your state when their turn comes for being president?

BrotherAlpha

Bush hasn't, and is not planning, to raise taxes on the middle class.

Bush sucks.

Get it through your heads, people.

Bush rocks!!! This is funny as hell... i hope you liberals get hit hard in your pocket books...

Lostcom760: Isn't this what your loser liberals want. Taking money from the rich and redistributing it to everyone else. There you go you F-ing communists.

Or maybe it's your side that are the communists who take the wealth and redistribute it?

Just take a look at how much you "rugged individualists" in the red states leech. Who is reditributing the wealth again?

This measure would hurt middle class taxpayers everywhere, but especially in states with high local taxes. The question is, how willing is the red state middle class to cut off its nose to spite the blue state middle class' face? Unfortunately, I suspect they'll be fairly willing--at least at first. Payback is a biatch.

HyperX:

Do you also hope that the conservatives in the blue states get hit hard? That will do wonders for the Republicans' base in those states, won't it? May cost some seats in the House and Senate in two years.

Would you think it was as "funny" if a Democrat got into office and raised taxes on (or cut federal funding to) red states?

newmoonpuppyhead It honestly makes me physically sick to see Bush smirk while kids are dying overseas.

Why is it that anti-war people somehow act like they are the voice for soldiers? You're not. You're the furthest thing from it.

People join the military knowing they can be called up for war any time, whether they agree with the war or not. They made that choice as an adult. Seeing as how they are the ones who could die over there, and that they are adults, and they know the situation better than we do, I'll let them represent themselves. And since soldiers overwhelmingly supported Bush over Kerry, and since they also support the Iraq war, I'll listen to them far more than the anti-war crowd who claims to speak in their behalf.

Look what you've done, Republicians. I hope you're proud.

newmoonpuppyhead
Keep up the good fight. Bush voters tend to be dumbasses, bigots, warmongers, hypocrites, prudes, homophobes, pussies, misinformed ignoramuses, or greedy selfish asshats.

If Bush even actually won the election, it still disgusts me and you and MANY others that so many complete fools are out there. My favorite part is how all the places hit by terrorists on 9/11 voted for Kerry.

Fark all you pieces of shiat. Be prepared to blame Clinton in 4 years when you're out of a job and your first born is drafted to Iraq and the the country goes bankrupt and more terrorists get recruited thanks to the growing hatred of muslims around the world from Bush's war for oil.

Dumbasses.

Oooh, here comes the red state vs blue state flamewars. Nothing could destroy America more.

Look, we're really not that different. A few states are definitely one color, but most of the US is just purple.

Up yours, Jesusland!

helix400
Go fark yourself. These people you refer to who join the military tend to be farking 18 year old KIDS from poor slums trying to get out of the rut the government put them in.

Fark you. You know nothing. You suck ass.

helix400

Awww... America is so pretty!

jfmcder

Alright. True. politics don't splut up that easy. Not always. In this case I think they do.

But let's start with the Clinton issue. After WTC 93, there was a massive law enforcement sweep to find those attached to this. many were arrested. I remind you that we were all new to this. Another plot to blow up the bridges and tunnels was also halted. We thought it was all taken care of. So, when we elected him in 96, we thought all was cool.

The point remains the same, and that is that you cannot place the blame on the shoulders of voters in that manner. With regard to universal healthcare, to my knowledge, we've never in our history had it. Does that mean that everyone who reelected a leader who made no strides towards universal healthcare is thus responsible for all the deaths due to a lack of healthcare?

No, it wasn't until the last few years or so the real extent of the insurance problem became known. It's a huge problem and Clinton did try to do something...cut off at the knees for it.

No politician runs on a platform of a single issue, (though it does seem that way, at times) so placing the blame on voters for any specific issue ridiculous. If Bush said, "I'm going to do everything the exact same as Kerry, except I'm not going to let gays get married", then you can blame those who voted for Bush for such an inequity. It's just not the case, though. We as voters, unfortunately, have to try to find the guy who gets as close as possible to the issues in mind, but rarely, if ever, does any politician fit all of our beliefs.

Yes. But I believe Bush is much less nuanced in his beliefs. "...with us, aginst us." He has never reached out to those who disagree with him. Never. Not once. On any issue. That alone should have been enough for any reasoned individual to vote for Kerry.

Moreover, Kerry never said that he would take America in a substantial new direction with regard to Iraq. He wasn't planning on pulling out. So, with that knowledge, couldn't you say that anyone who voted for Bush or Kerry were tacitly approving the deaths of Iraqi civilians and US military men and women?

No. I couldn't. I saw and heard very different motives behind each man's position. Also very different action plans to carry those motives out. It was very clear that one was for inviting the world and the Iraqi people in...and one wasn't.

Anyways, I have to head. Nice rapping with you. peace.

Wait, if most of the US is purple, does that mean they're gay?

Wait, if most of the US is purple, does that mean they're gay?

No, it means they love you, you love me, we're a happy family.

'kay?

2004-12-05 11:12:18 PM BrotherAlpha

Another point the Republicans are bring up is ...

"First they tell him to raise taxes because the deficit is too high and then when he does they complain. Waaaaahhhhh!"

Yeah, I noticed a couple people make that comment. What libs were actually suggesting was cutting spending, not raising taxes. (And repealing Bush's tax cuts for the rich is not considered raising taxes since those cuts should never have been made anyway. If Bush wanted to do something "compassionate" (ha ha ha) he should have only sent out checks to people who work 40+ hours a week and are still below the poverty line.)

The blue states should secede from the Union and take our tech sectors and tax dollars with us.

Civil war II, let's do it. Red America would be a third-world country within a month.

helix400, yes, we are that different. That's WHY most of the states are purple. The country is divided 50/50.

Something about those two posts being so close made me giggle.

I aim to please!

:)

TheOmni Something about those two posts being so close made me giggle.

Hehe, I laughed too.

As for your view of supporting soldiers. I can respect that. Really. I can also see why you don't bring that position very often. =)

iswm

helix400, yes, we are that different. That's WHY most of the states are purple. The country is divided 50/50.

Damn, that's good point.

"Red America would be a third-world country within a month."

Hell, a lot of it is already like a third-world country.

iswm

My purple US was in response to the blue state/red state flamewars, where all sorts of charts and figures are brought out to suggest that red states are distinctly different than blue states. They aren't.

But yes, the country is divided pretty much down the middle, in red states and in blue states. Which is another reason why I find extremist hateful flamewars as being just as harmful to America.

MegaDethHead:

Go to bed now. Your mommy would be very upset to know that you are up this late. You have to catch the short bus early tomorrow.

But yes, the country is divided pretty much down the middle, in red states and in blue states. Which is another reason why I find extremist hateful flamewars as being just as harmful to America.

It wasn't like this a few years ago...it was festering...but one man brought it to the forefront. One man. Yep, Cher.

Hell, a lot of it is already like a third-world country.

Iowa 80, the world's largest truck stop, would make a nice capital for them...

helix400:

But yes, the country is divided pretty much down the middle, in red states and in blue states. Which is another reason why I find extremist hateful flamewars as being just as harmful to America.


If anyone is to blame for dividing this country, it's republican strategists that focus on wedge issues rather than actually discussing the issues facing the US.

newmoonpuppyhead One man. Yep, Cher.

Heh, all I could think of was the line from the movie Clue

Wadsworth: We're like the Mounties; we always get our man.
Mr. Green: Mrs. Peacock was a man?

MegaDethHead, newmoonpuppyhead:

I'm sure you're both familiar with the kinds of rhetorical enemies that many Republicans create in order to fling poo at, so they don't have to do any thinking about complex issues. You know the categories of people they rage against - Liberals, gays, the French, activist judges, secularists, trial lawyers, blacks, the poor, "welfare queens", "limousine liberals" - Do I need to repeat any of the handy catch phrases?

What I'm getting at though is, why do you wish to make yourself a convenient target for them to occupy themselves with? The only thing you are doing by standing up and claiming the moral high ground is acting as fodder for them to use. That, and attempting to reaffirm your own belief that you are, in fact, on the moral high-ground.

Let's face it: Bush is in for 4 more, and we all know that none of these pricks are listening to us. Just look at some of the blue-state-haters in this thread: It's clear that they hate the left so much that they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. If you shut up for a minute you might instill a bit of uncertainty and doubt in them, instead of being that convenient target that they feel compelled to challenge all the time.

Here's something interesting I read recently:

thinker5555:

Dear Blue States,

Shame on you for voting for Kerry.

Love,
GW


You're forgetting that most of the "red states" are red by only a few percentage points. This election was split down the middle in most states, and only really significantly "won" by one side in a handful of states. But a win by 50.0000000001% and it's "red country" baby.

Guess Bush didn't count on that. We are everywhere. It's a good thing he sucks at math.

If anyone is to blame for dividing this country, it's republican strategists that focus on wedge issues rather than actually discussing the issues facing the US.

*clap, clap*

And i'd like to leave on this note:

"...Such a fine site to see.
It's a girl, my lord,
in a flat bed Ford
slowing down to take a look at me.

Take it easy, take it easy..."

Galland:

What? The blue states might have to actually pay their taxes?

Call the whaaamulance! Stat!

Seems to me that we all pay federal taxes for federal projects, then we pay state taxes, and deduct the difference, this gives states the power to choose where their money goes, some amount of autonomy. The proposed plan this thread is about would eliminate that aspect of state-autonomy. Almost sounds like theire trying to quell the rising civil war by taking power away from the angry blue-states.

only gonna make us angrier...

/Wisconsinite, wanted to vote badnarik but had to help us go Blue 52/48%

LET"S ALL OVRREACT!!!! YAAAAAY!!! EVERYBODY BACK IN THE PILE!

Notice to liberals: John Kerry did not win the election. Arguing with the Bushies about what Kerry would have done, had he been elected, is irrelevant and unknowable. The President and his adminstration's four year (and counting) record as a lying, corrupt, and warmongering coaltion is definitely worth arguing about.

newmoonpuppyhead
Fighting the good fight.

Spamdog
Your link about the tax-leeching Red States was great.

I guess this proposal means the Republicans are waking up to the dangers of huge deficits - I just wish they had pointed this out before the election and revealed their plan to combat deficits by raising taxes on the middle class. It would have been the moral thing to do.

/Still deluding myself that Ohio recount will fix things

I believe there's a provision in the federal Consitution prohibiting double-taxation.

If I'm not mistaken, the ability to deduct state income tax from Federal was put in place to avoid having State income taxes completely struck down by the federal court system as double-taxation.

It's very possible that no matter what happened with this, that it wouldn't pass constitutional muster anyway.

Up yours, Jesusland!
____________________________________

Not suprisingly, that first flag ignores the (red) blood sacrificed by millions of men over the generations to ensure the freedoms that you enjoy today.

seriously, does anyone on either side expect that they will know EXACTLY what would have happened if their man got elected? you don't know, and that is exactly why you vote on the perceived character of the man, and the issues that he does stand firm on. they ones that both parties go back and forth on, they will always go back and forth on. especially something like taxes.

What is that blue flag meant to represent?

2004-12-05 11:45:02 PM theigorway

The division between reds and blues seems to have intensified after the republicans went ape shiat over Clinton. Now the Democrats have eye bulging anger at Bush in retribution.

Its funny how that liar label stuck to Clinton so painfully in the liberals craw that they label anything Bush as a lie. Reds: Chill out. Clinton hating only made Republicans look petty and gave them ulcers. Nothing changed about his policies or leadership in the end. Bush hating will do you no better.

Try and stop us, liberals!

//Doesnt pay taxes.