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2004-12-05 09:23:23 PM
Well, I guess what Our Leader wants, he gets.
 
2004-12-05 09:23:54 PM
Taxpayers in California and New York, for example, which have top state income tax rates of 9.3% and 6.5% respectively, would be highly affected; residents of Florida and Texas, which have no state income taxes, much less so.

 
2004-12-05 09:24:23 PM
Helix + TheOmni

Too tired to look things up, but the budget is split into discretionary (stuff congress can change like Nasa, the military programs eg new weapons) and non-discretionary (stuff that needs to be spent by a formula eg welfare, interest on the US debt, running a couple of wars round the world.)

I believe the budget has cut the descretionary side, but the non-discreationary has grown faster, so the total budget is bigger.

/though I may be talking sloblocks.
 
2004-12-05 09:24:25 PM
Whatever, I live in Texas!

Must be nice living in a state with such an enormous socialist form of government. Yeah, that's right, quit fooling yourselves down there. The Texas public gets billions of dollars from oil revenues that they personally do absolutely nothing to earn. The rest of us have to actually pay for our state government services, but socialism has been kind to Texas. Not that I'm critical of that system. I wish we had so much oil in my state so we could do the same thing. But since we don't, we pay taxes instead. The thing that really bothers me is that Texans think they're wealthy because they work harder than everyone else. In reality it's just because your anscestors had the forethought to steal a chunk of land that sits on top of enormous oil reserves. Bad for the Mexicans, good for y'all.
 
2004-12-05 09:24:48 PM
If I wasn't so afraid of the gestapo...err...thought police...err...you know, I'd ask where are all the farkers willing to take a shot at the man. However, I am afraid of the body snatchers FBI and such, so I'll just keep quiet...
 
2004-12-05 09:25:58 PM
Dear Blue States,

Shame on you for voting for Kerry.

Love,
GW
 
2004-12-05 09:26:04 PM
ubett

You're right, the problem isn't what Bush is doing now to fix the problem, it was the problem that he started. And I haven't really heard anyone describe Bush as a fiscal conservative. But, as I pointed out, it seems Bush has finally pressed for fiscal conservatism in the latest spending bill. This bill appears to achieve that will probably be signed into law very soon.
 
2004-12-05 09:26:11 PM
Anyone watching VH1.

I don't know if anyone ever noticed this before,
but Michael Moore is fat.
 
2004-12-05 09:26:16 PM
Dear Americans,you want out of your situation- See what Ukarine did, protest the results of the election. How sad that a bunch of cosmanauts and hockey players have more guts to fight for freedom then you do.
 
2004-12-05 09:26:21 PM
natural-selection-at-work

newmoonpuppyhead's anger makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. But yet I didn't vote for Bush...I guess I should have.

Spite motivates people to do irrational things, don't piss them off and give them another reason.


I would think people would be enlightened enough to realize...oh wait...I just realized I'm giving people too much credit. They fail to see how their simple actions are connected to the greater good of humnkind.

You opened my eyes to the pettiness and inabilities of the majority of Americans. Thank you. I owe you a debt of gratitude.
 
2004-12-05 09:26:38 PM
There are Bush voters in the blue states, and many blue states are just barely blue.

People deserve who they vote for. And they deserve it GOOD and HARD.
 
2004-12-05 09:26:47 PM
Put simply:

Hey red staters. Yeah, you the one drinking Bud-in-a-can in the alley bahind your doublewide... My taxes bought your foodstamps. You're welcome. Lhuuuuuuuuuuusssssser.

/blue stater
 
B82
2004-12-05 09:27:15 PM
Kerry is a punk-ass, world class prick. Spoiled, handed everything by his wives, the guy just sucks.

/obvious
 
2004-12-05 09:27:29 PM
Just kill the IRS and institute a flat tax, say 15%. No more deductions, no more loopholes. No more million pages of cryptic tax code.

Result: everyone pays taxes.
 
2004-12-05 09:27:40 PM
Wow. A proposal to tax the rich, and the liberal biatch about it. Just wow. Its just that you're all just pissed we didn't take the advice of hollywood stars, innit?
 
2004-12-05 09:27:56 PM
remember daddy bush said no new taxes. So what is the reality difference of causing ppl to pay more money in taxes, while claiming philosophically that you are lowering taxes.
 
2004-12-05 09:28:01 PM
Bush couldn't do that even if he wanted to, Congress makes laws regarding taxes. If you don't agree with that policy then call your congressman.
 
2004-12-05 09:28:21 PM
B82:

Kerry is a punk-ass, world class prick. Spoiled, handed everything by his wives, the guy just sucks.

And Bush earned everything by himself.
 
2004-12-05 09:28:28 PM
Ok, this may sound silly, but why isn't the Republican party, well, Republican? I always thought that, by definition, they promote a republic of independent and equal states? I mean, that's why we still have the crapfest that is the electoral college, right? And the whole Congress thing, right?

Then why does Bush (and the rest of the party) continue to anally rape the states? Why is Bush pushing sweeping legislations that take independence away from the states, like the gay marriage ban and the stem-cell ban? With a republican Senate now, too, may God have mercy on us all. Who knows what kind of backward-ass fundie bullsheiss legislations are going to be passed in the next 4 years.

All that said, Kerry still sucked. Ball-less wanker.

/voted libertarian, if it isn't obvious
 
2004-12-05 09:29:11 PM
Dear Americans,you want out of your situation- See what Ukarine did, protest the results of the election. How sad that a bunch of cosmanauts and hockey players have more guts to fight for freedom then you do.

The majority of Americans wouldn't know what a true democracy was if it biatchslapped them on a daily basis.

The apathy in this country is astounding. The press is afraid...I could go on and on. We are in sad times indeed in America.
 
2004-12-05 09:30:02 PM
By the way, I thought the blue staters WANTED Kerry to raise their taxes to pay off the deficit. You should be behind Bush 100% on this and want to contribute as much as possible.
 
2004-12-05 09:30:06 PM
I pray for somebody to just nuke us already.
 
2004-12-05 09:30:24 PM
biatch biatch biatch about the deficit but don't want to do anything about it, eh Dems?
 
sib
2004-12-05 09:30:32 PM
Is it too late to apply for refugee status in Farkistan?
 
2004-12-05 09:30:45 PM
arkcon
the word 'rich' in this case means upper middle class.
not the wealthy.
 
B82
2004-12-05 09:31:35 PM
OMG SOME CONSERVATIVE CONGRESSMAN WANTS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!111111

Does this mean we can blame all the Democrats for the actions of retards like Kucinich?
 
2004-12-05 09:31:55 PM
sherman uber alles:

All that said, Kerry still sucked. Ball-less wanker.
/voted libertarian, if it isn't obvious


Libertarians love telling people they are liberations... That's most of the appeal.
 
2004-12-05 09:32:01 PM
DigitalReligion
biatch biatch biatch about the deficit but don't want to do anything about it, eh Dems?

who was talking about fiscal responsibility this election?
kerry, not bush.
STFU.
 
2004-12-05 09:32:08 PM
biatch biatch biatch about the deficit but don't want to do anything about it, eh Dems?

The republicans give us this monster and try to turn it around...holy shiat, you guys are priceless.
 
2004-12-05 09:32:13 PM
To all those dumbasses who are laughing at this because you don't live in either CA or NY; you aren't going to laugh when the blue states stop subsidizing your backward state when CA and NY are broke.

It never ceases to amaze me how much we Americans hate each other. I think that is why there haven't been any further terrorist attacks here, as the terrorists realize that we do a far better job of farking ourselves than they ever could.
 
2004-12-05 09:33:08 PM
newmoonpuppyhead

Placing blame on people is not enlightening them; in fact it usually evokes the opposite response. Thanks for the back-handed compliment, though, I'll treasure it always.
 
2004-12-05 09:33:20 PM
"Let me put it like this: It certainly isn't something that's a discouragement," said one prominent conservative. "Yes, we talked about this. The fact that it hits blue states is not something that's been missed among Republicans."

I'd love to have this "prominent conservative"'s name made public, and have him try to defend this astonishingly partisan attack on the middle-class.
 
B82
2004-12-05 09:33:24 PM
Black Zombie Jesus

I was making fun of JohnnyRocket. It just seems stupid for a party that nominated a billionaire to chastize a party that nominated a millionaire
 
2004-12-05 09:33:46 PM
say it with me now:

FOUR MORE YEARS!

FOUR MORE YEARS!

FOUR MORE YEARS!

Repeat and fade out.
 
2004-12-05 09:34:23 PM
The majority of Americans wouldn't know what a true democracy was if it biatchslapped them on a daily basis.

We're not a true democracy and we were never intended to be one. Especially at the Federal level. On the other hand, it's sad that we never became what we were intended to be either.
 
2004-12-05 09:34:34 PM
B82: Does this mean we can blame all the Democrats for the actions of retards like Kucinich?

What the hell has Kucinich ever done? It's like using the name
"George Soros" as a slam... like anyone knows who that is.
 
2004-12-05 09:35:18 PM
paying taxes? are you kidding? democrats should be thrilled.

me, of course, a republican in mass, not quite so much.
 
2004-12-05 09:35:47 PM
Let me understand this.
Wealthy people will have to pay more taxes under this Bush tax plan. (Dems don't want that?)
Taxes will increase (Reps don't want that?)

Who wins here?

/moving to the Sudan, they don't have taxes there
 
2004-12-05 09:36:20 PM
The more you refer to us as backwards, flyover, or 'subsidised', the more we will appreciate making your corn flakes cost ninety dollars a box.
 
2004-12-05 09:36:27 PM
Huh, the time I heard it floated, it went along with eliminating the dividends tax (to keep it revenue neutral, so it wasn't a "tax increase")...

*Feel free to make your own assumptions about who would benefit, and who would get screwed in that scenario...
 
2004-12-05 09:37:53 PM
Let's run it up the flagpole and see how many blue states see red.
 
2004-12-05 09:38:44 PM
From the article:
But California State Controller Steve Westly, a Democrat, said it would amount to a hidden tax increase for millions of California taxpayers, who already pay $58 billion a year more to the federal government than they get back in services.

Holy shiate. $58 billion EVERY YEAR? Hell yeah we should secede. I'm amazed we didn't do it years ago.
 
2004-12-05 09:39:22 PM
so you can pay federal taxes on the money that you made to pay the state taxes. Bush fer presudent!!!
 
2004-12-05 09:39:52 PM
Let's see.... California's tax rate is 9% and the average tax bill that would lose it's deduction is $35,000. Seems to me that means that the average CA tax payer is making over $300K/year.

Maybe Bush is taxing the rich and gonna give the money to the poor people in the Nascar south. Maybe it's all those blue staters that are really the greedy types....at least that's the tone of this thread now that they're having to pay for a larger portion of all of the touchy feely social and environmental programs that they cram down everyone elses throats.

Hey here's an idea for a new social program.....how 'bout subsidizing Nascar tickets. I hear some of them are like $100+ bucks a ticket for the nosebleed section. Why don't we tax a few more NY or CA'ers and get affordable Nascar. That way we can close the NASCAR gap between the rich and the poor. After all why should someone have to choose between their NASCAR or rent or their single wide. Come on let's all protest for NASCAR subsidies, where is everyone's compassion.
 
2004-12-05 09:40:55 PM
democrats will not be thrilled.
those effected are the upper middle class,not the wealthy, like i've said before.
upper middle class should not have their taxes raised because their spending drives a good deal of economy.
 
2004-12-05 09:42:25 PM
newmoonpuppyhead

I envy you.

That said, lets hope the real republicans speak out against this
 
2004-12-05 09:43:02 PM
I smell... american communism!
 
2004-12-05 09:43:19 PM
In the interest of reasoned debate, let me just say BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!
Thank you.
 
2004-12-05 09:45:17 PM
Sooo... not exactly a tax break for the rich, eh?
 
2004-12-05 09:45:57 PM
DigitalReligion

Great point. Remember all those, "What are we doing about the deficit..." folks? They all seem to have sat this thread out.

I love the fatalist attitudes about every farking inkling of an idea someone has in Washington. There are paths for these things to get approved by, and if it screws enough people, it won't get through.

Farking relax.
 
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